Homosexuality

[el Chi]

Oh, and to the poster who said that gay people have bigger pee pee's

I MUST BE THE GAYEST MAN ON THE PLANET!!!

lol

Yeah you wish, girlfriend.

 

[Murray_H]

now why is that a pity?
Its just the way I think.
Then I could say its a pity
that men **** other men in the ass

How do you feel about black people? Just wondering if your bigotry extends to other characteristics of humans....

About the homosexuality and population control, it was theory I read in new scientist about a year ago, I was mentioning it to open up areas of discussion

 

[PickledGecko]

Wooohooo, I'm the least gay man on the planet.


Oh, wait a minute...

 

[^Ben]

Yeah you wish, girlfriend.

/me goes limp wristed

Oh, puh-lease!

 

[pomegranate]

Raziaar, I'm pretty certain that when anyone talks about the choice of sexuality, we're asking whether a person can choose what gender they are attracted to (as opposed to simply, what gender they actually have sex with) Do you think that is possible?

 

[Raziaar]

If we can observe it going back that long, then doesn't that suggest to you that there actually IS some inherent homosexual characteristic in some humans?

No. That doesn't suggest anything to me. Its well known that ancient societies were very explorative about their sexualities, and socialities, even much moreso than we are today as hard as it is to believe. Over the course of history civilizations have changed regarding their views regarding homosexuality and other things. During the middle ages and later ages, this was evidenced as there was an extreme lacking of widespread homosexuality as there was in the earlier timeframes, and in even more overcrowded, diseased, famined situations.

Some of this is in part to religion, and much of it is not.

 

[Lemonking]

How do you feel about black people? Just wondering if your bigotry extends to other characteristics of humans....

About the homosexuality and population control, it was theory I read in new scientist about a year ago, I was mentioning it to open up areas of discussion

well I know alot African Black People Nigeria,Uganda (spelled right?)
there pretty cool but I have a problem with those gangsta dudes that live in America they think there sooo cool and hip blablabla

 

[PickledGecko]

Raziaar, they hardly sound like "choices". By choices I mean, waking up one day and thinking, "I think I'll try cock today", without any outside influences. Those examples sound more like trauma.

 

[Raziaar]

Raziaar, I'm pretty certain that when anyone talks about the choice of sexuality, we're asking whether a person can choose what gender they are attracted to (as opposed to simply, what gender they actually have sex with) Do you think that is possible?'

Yes, a person can choose what gender they are attracted to. I'm attracted to women. I can just as easily be attracted to men as well if I allow myself to be. It's all mental. Much of it is social, and cultural influence, as well as politics and religion.

 

[pomegranate]

Do you not think you might actually be bisexual?

 

[ríomhaire]

Yes, a person can choose what gender they are attracted to. I'm attracted to women. I can just as easily be attracted to men as well if I allow myself to be. It's all mental. Much of it is social, and cultural influence, as well as politics and religion.

That is a load of crap in my opinion, you sexual orentation has to do with hormones, not your brain (unless you have a mental condition)

 

[Raziaar]

Raziaar, they hardly sound like "choices". By choices I mean, waking up one day and thinking, "I think I'll try cock today", without any outside influences. Those examples sound more trauma.

As much as i'm kinda turned away by your blunt choice of words... yes, people can and have done that exact same thing. And afterwards, they might be repelled by it.

I have a friend who has had sex with guys before, but considers himself straight. Prior to having sex with the guys, he was incredibly attracted to them. Incredibly turned on. That was lust. When the deed was overwith, after he had experienced orgasm... he was overwhelmingly turned off by the situation and regretted it. Yet he has since then done the deed again.


EDIT: and no this guy isn't me

Do you not think you might actually be bisexual?

No. I am not bisexual.

See. This is another social influence that turns some people gay. People keep pressuring them with comments on "oh, you must be gay!" "I know you're gay, you gotta be. You act gay".

When infact this person might have no desires for attraction of the opposite sex. But with enough time and enough pressure, he might start questioning himself when he should have no need to, and think he might be gay and later actually become fully fledged homosexual.

 

[pomegranate]

Right. Well, I'd say that guy is probably gay. I don't see how his experience is relevant to your opinion about choice. His attraction to men doesn't seem to have varied, or been a matter of choice.

 

[Raziaar]

Right. Well, I'd say that guy is probably gay. I don't see how his experience is relevant to your opinion about choice. His attraction to men doesn't seem to have varied, or been a matter of choice.

Heh. Well. Okay. I've said all I can really say about the matter. Its just going to be a rehashing of opinions for the next 14 pages otherwise.

I still stand by my belief that homosexuality is a choice. And until they actually 'prove' homosexuality is in the genes, which they as of today have not, i'll stand by that opinion.

 

[ríomhaire]

He's bisexual.

Edit:

Heh. Well. Okay. I've said all I can really say about the matter. Its just going to be a rehashing of opinions for the next 14 pages otherwise.

I still stand by my belief that homosexuality is a choice. And until they actually 'prove' homosexuality is in the genes, which they as of today have not, i'll stand by that opinion.

It's not a choice and it's not genetic, it's hormonal!

 

[PickledGecko]

Raziaar, I'm still not seeing what I would describe as "choice" in these examples. I don't believe sexuallity is set in stone, but I also don't believe its something you can choose in the blunt (and a little crude) way I expressed it earlier. I just don't see any way in which the erotic image I see and the erection I get from it, passes through my conscious thoughts. Although I do believe its possible for a hetro man to get increasing homo fellings, I don't think its a matter of just deciding. Like your examples, it would take a very large amount of outside influence on your mind to make such a drastic change. Assuming there were absolutely no homosexual feeling there before hand.

 

[Raziaar]

Raziaar, I'm still not seeing what I would describe as "choice" in these examples. I don't believe sexuallity is set in stone, but I also don't believe its something you can choose in the blunt (and a little crude) way I expressed it earlier. I just don't see any way in which the erotic image I see and the erection I get from it, passes through my conscious thoughts. Although I do believe its possible for a hetro man to get increasing homo fellings, I don't think its a matter of just deciding. Like your examples, it would take a very large amount of outside influence on your mind to make such a drastic change. Assuming there were absolutely no homosexual feeling there before hand.

Well I wasn't really talking about instant change period. I was talking about a change brought on by certain social, political, cultural factors... and personal experiences. Some people swear off the opposite sex for good in an instant, and choose only to be with women. This can be done in an instant, and might quite possibly last their entire lifetime, but is usually brought on by trauma or certain personal experiences that might make them make such a drastic and instant decision.

What I wasn't saying is... homosexual one day, and non homosexual the following.


And to the guy that called me bisexual. <laughs> Right. I guess the fact that I get no sexual urges from men or anything that even remotely resembles homosexuality or bisexuality makes me bisexual.

I guess I must be a bisexual with attraction to only one sex and not the other. The opposite sex. Now wait, wouldn't that make me heterosexual?

The only attraction I might have towards guys... is one of friendship, and bonding... not sexuality.

 

[CptStern]

Some people swear off the opposite sex for good in an instant, and choose only to be with women. This can be done in an instant, and might quite possibly last their entire lifetime, but is usually brought on by trauma or certain personal experiences that might make them make such a drastic and instant decision.

What I wasn't saying is... homosexual one day, and non homosexual the following.

you truely believe that? then why would you say this?

I guess the fact that I get no sexual urges from men or anything that even remotely resembles homosexuality or bisexuality makes me bisexual.

if you truely believe there's no hope in hell for you to become gay, then why do you think it's easy for other people to instantly switch their sexual preference? ...even though you believe it's impossible for you to "switch" you believe it's easy for millions around the world to instantly switch their sexual preference

your logic basically boils down to:

"he loves another man? wow! what traumatic event could possibly forced that man to fall in love with that other man? ...the poor man ...it must have been horrible"


do you realise how silly that sounds? wouldnt the much simpler solution be "oh look he's in love with that person"

 

[Raziaar]

you truely believe that? then why would you say this?





if you truely believe there's no hope in hell for you to become gay, then why do you think it's easy for other people to instantly switch their sexual preference? ...even though you believe it's impossible for you to "switch" you believe it's easy for millions around the world to instantly switch their sexual preference

your logic basically boils down to:

"he loves another man? wow! what traumatic event could possibly forced that man to fall in love with that other man? ...the poor man ...it must have been horrible"


do you realise how silly that sounds? wouldnt the much simpler solution be "oh look he's in love with that person"

If you'd read what I said Stern, I was talking about turning homosexual based on outside influences that have nothing to do with biological bodily functions. And even aside from that, its possible to choose to develop feelings of homosexuality without too many outside influences.

I didn't say its impossible for me to become homosexual. I said in my current state, as of this posting, I have no desires or interests in anything sexual regarding the same sex. That doesn't mean that cannot change. Its not written in stone.

And what are you ranting about traumatic events? I don't make assumptions on people for whey they choose to be attracted to another man. If somebody is gay, I don't think "Wow, I wonder what awful thing in his life must have turned him gay". Simply not the case.

All those examples I mentioned regarding the traumatic events, these people CONFESSED to me to be the reasonings behind why they changed their lifestyle. Okay? Got it? Good.

 

[qckbeam]

Oh yes, homosexuality is a choice. That's why after four wonderful boys from a nearby high school jumped me during a walk through the woods and tried to carve "fag" into my back with a knife I said "This gay thing isn't all it's cracked up to be" and turned straight. Raziaar, please, you have no idea what you're talking about. I have tried harder than you could possibly understand to change myself; I had taken things to extreme measures to do so. It does not work. Being with a woman did nothing for me, nothing; no matter how hard I tried to make myself like it. Think about it Raziaar. My family has rejected me in many ways, I have lost all my friends, I have been beaten too many times to count, I've had threats on my life, and I've been in two situations that have come incredibly close to seeing those threats fulfilled. I've had to leave school twice because of it, and ended up finishing my high-school career driven out of my old school, alone, in a library, as a junior on depression medication. Why do you think I or anyone else would have chosen to live like this? Do you think anyone in their right mind would enjoy this sort of life? My childhood was an absolute nightmare (although I know for a fact that some people go through much, much worse). because of this one thing. You're honestly going to tell me that I brought it all on myself? That what happened was a resutl of my choices?

I can trace my feeling for the same sex back to six years of age. The way I felt about other boys has never changed, and will never change. It was never a choice.

 

[Foxtrot]

Of course not, just like homosexuals will never see hetrosexuality as "normal". Its all a matter of perspective.

No, it is not perspective and has nothing to do with perspective. I am only going to say this once (I have said it before, too many times), a dick in the asshole does not make a baby, it makes a swollen asshole.

 

[CptStern]

If you'd read what I said Stern, I was talking about turning homosexual based on outside influences that have nothing to do with biological bodily functions. And even aside from that, its possible to choose to develop feelings of homosexuality without too many outside influences.

yes ..you were saying that outside influences help change someone ...seeing as how that's such a drastic choice there can only be one explanation: trauma ...at least according to your logic, because for the life of me I cant understand how someone could ever be influenced to be attracted to the opposite sex ...you can plead, cajole, threaten me till sky falls and I still couldnt be influenced ...I knew from day one my orientation, there was no fighting it, there was no contemplation, it just is what it is: a part of you: straight gay black white yellow brown ....we dont choose who we are

All those examples I mentioned regarding the traumatic events, these people CONFESSED to me to be the reasonings behind why they changed their lifestyle. Okay? Got it? Good.

sorry I call foul ...I doubt many people "confessed" to you. I've worked with many people who are gay and not once did anyone say that a traumatic event caused their "condition"

you've confessed that you believe that it's a mental disease, somehow I dont think a gay person would confide in you

 

[Murray_H]

No, it is not perspective and has nothing to do with perspective. I am only going to say this once (I have said it before, too many times), a dick in the asshole does not make a baby, it makes a swollen asshole.

And what do you say about dicks on people's heads.....?

 

[Foxtrot]

And what do you say about dicks on people's heads.....?

A dick in the mouth does not make a baby...it makes a salty mouth? Hmm...that doesn't sound right...it makes a...hmm...not a baby...

 

[CptStern]

jeebus h christ you be ignant

seriously, just stop ... you couldnt possibly make more of an ass of yourself

 

[Raziaar]

Oh yes, homosexuality is a choice. That's why after four wonderful boys from a nearby high school jumped me during a walk through the woods and tried to carve "fag" into my back with a knife I said "This gay thing isn't all it's cracked up to be" and turned straight. Raziaar, please, you have no idea what you're talking about. I have tried harder than you could possibly understand to change myself; I had taken things to extreme measures to do so. It does not work. Being with a woman did nothing for me, nothing; no matter how hard I tried to make myself like it. Think about it Raziaar. My family has rejected me in many ways, I have lost all my friends, I have been beaten too many times to count, I've had threats on my life, and I've been in two situations that have come incredibly close to seeing those threats fulfilled. I've had to leave school twice because of it, and ended up finishing my high-school career driven out of my old school, alone, in a library, as a junior on depression medication. Why do you think I or anyone else would have chosen to live like this? Do you think anyone in their right mind would enjoy this sort of life? My childhood was an absolute nightmare (although I know for a fact that some people go through much, much worse). because of this one thing. You're honestly going to tell me that I brought it all on myself? That what happened was a resutl of my choices?

I can trace my feeling for the same sex back to six years of age. The way I felt about other boys has never changed, and will never change. It was never a choice.

Now why would I say you brought that all upon yourself? People should be free to make choices for themselves without the pursecution of others unless those choices in turn harm others, and some other things i don't have time to post about here.

Your choices in life are no justification for those people to do what they did to you. That's a matter of them being horrible people rather than you being at blame for making the choices you have.

What. Do you honestly expect me to somehow demonize you because you're homosexual? I won't do that, because I don't believe in it. If I did, I would be no better than those who sought to make your life hell. I can certainly relate to your story, as I too have had an extremely awful childhood, especially in school when it came to other kids. My home life was great, but everything else was so miserable that I forced myself to skip classes, and eventually drop out of school.

I didn't even do one year of highschool, because I felt so persecuted by others regarding my perrsonal issues i'm not going to go into here. Because even after all these years, I don't feel comfortable enough to talk about it.

 

[Foxtrot]

That was very inappropriate, Foxtrot.

Can't you two get along?

 

[Raziaar]

sorry I call foul ...I doubt many people "confessed" to you. I've worked with many people who are gay and not once did anyone say that a traumatic event caused their "condition"

you've confessed that you believe that it's a mental disease, somehow I dont think a gay person would confide in you

Foul? Believe whatever you want stern, but i'm not lying to you. And it doesn't matter what those people said to you, as that has nothing to do with what the people who talked to me, said to me. These people were open about their sexuality, and open about their lives.

They didn't say 'exactly' that their situations made them gay. It said it changed their outlook and feelings which eventually turned them onto a different path.

And who the hell are you to say that i'm accusing these people of suffering from a 'condition' or 'disease'. I don't believe that to be the case at all. These people have merely chosen or graduated into a different lifestyle choice. Its a ****ing lifestyle choice for christ's sake Stern, not a disease or condition. And no matter how much you try to make people think I think that, its not true.

These people have made a lifestyle choice. They're not suffering from a disease or condition.

 

[Murray_H]

I am sorry I don't have sex with animals and children like you CptStern, there I made a point and more of an ass of myself...proved you wrong.

Is that malicious slander? :O

 

[Danimal]

I think homosexuality is not a mental disorder, I am fine with people that are gay.

Unlike all the other teenagers in AUS. Calling someone gay is the only insult they have.

 

[eatbugs]

I think the real question is who here is gay?

 

[CptStern]

Is that malicious slander? :O

not to worry I've reported ...what makes it's worse is that I'm a father

 

[Foxtrot]

not to worry I've reported ...what makes it's worse is that I'm a father

Heh, you reported that? Can't take being wrong I guess.

 

[Murray_H]

not to worry I've reported ...what makes it's worse is that I'm a father

saves me doing it then

 

[CptStern]

:thumbs:

foxtrot, you crossed the line


oh and changing your post wont help

I am sorry I don't have sex with animals and children like you CptStern, there I made a point and more of an ass of myself...proved you wrong.

 

[Raziaar]

:thumbs:

foxtrot, you crossed the line

Come on Stern. Do what you will about Foxtrot, but stay with the thread. Don't ignore what I posted. I want an answer. Especially to my latter part.

 

[Ikerous]

He was joking :/
Sure it wasnt funny
But most of the jokes i make arent funny either

Oh, and um, i like gay people.

 

[Foxtrot]

:thumbs:

foxtrot, you crossed the line


oh and changing your post wont help

I didn't change it, all I was saying is that just because you think that is normal doesn't mean everyone else does.

 

[Danimal]

I edited the post, Stern.

 

[oldagerocker]

I dont believe Homosexuality is quite a lifestyle choice. I'm not going to go into my own experiences on a public forum, although i respect those highly that have. If you're homosexual, you're homosexual, and thats fine. I believe its down to personality and alittle of lifestyle choice whether you're an open camp homosexual or a blokey homosexual... If you get what I mean.
Sort of like, Eddie Izzard being blokey... and Julian Clarey or Graham Norton being camp. Sorry, i only really know British gay celebrities, you probably dont know what im on about!

Qckbeam, I hope it's got better now your out of school and in the real world. Where people are more accepting than a group of retarded asshole school kids.