Homosexuality

[qckbeam]

Now why would I say you brought that all upon yourself? People should be free to make choices for themselves without the pursecution of others unless those choices in turn harm others, and some other things i don't have time to post about here.

Your choices in life are no justification for those people to do what they did to you. That's a matter of them being horrible people rather than you being at blame for making the choices you have.

What. Do you honestly expect me to somehow demonize you because you're homosexual? I won't do that, because I don't believe in it. If I did, I would be no better than those who sought to make your life hell.

Alright, I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions, Raziaar. I was a bit angry and defensive writing that. I really did expect you to go on and demonize homosexuals, simply because everyone I've come across that has presented me with that argument has used it to justify their intense feelings, or actions, of hatred towards gay people. I'm sorry for grouping you in with them. I do still stand by my feelings on the matter of choice, but to be quite honest, I could care less what people feel is the cause behind homosexuality just so long as I'm left alone to live my life in happiness.

 

[PickledGecko]

No, it is not perspective and has nothing to do with perspective. I am only going to say this once (I have said it before, too many times), a dick in the asshole does not make a baby, it makes a swollen asshole.

A dick in the mouth does not make a baby...it makes a salty mouth? Hmm...that doesn't sound right...it makes a...hmm...not a baby...

And jerking off makes a sticky tissue. What does this have to do with normality. The purpose of sex is not and has not ever been to create a child and nothing else. There are at least 2 more things associated with sex, pleasure and emotion. It is not necessary for a person to feel an emotional attachment to their partener, nor to gain pleasure from sex in order to create a baby. But people do feel these things, it is normal to enjoy sex, it is normal to use sex to increase an emotional bond between 2 people. So what if a gay couple only experience 2 out of 3, how does it make it any less normal?

 

[CptStern]

Foul? Believe whatever you want stern, but i'm not lying to you. And it doesn't matter what those people said to you, as that has nothing to do with what the people who talked to me, said to me. These people were open about their sexuality, and open about their lives.

granted ..but you contradict yourself:

This can be done in an instant, and might quite possibly last their entire lifetime, but is usually brought on by trauma or certain personal experiences that might make them make such a drastic and instant decision.

It said it changed their outlook and feelings which eventually turned them onto a different path.

And who the hell are you to say that i'm accusing these people of suffering from a 'condition' or 'disease'. I don't believe that to be the case at all. These people have merely chosen or graduated into a different lifestyle choice.

you posted this earlier in your defense of your idea that homosexuality is a choice:

unlike animals who might become mistaken by having a chemical imbalance caused by any number of factors from pollution, to birth defects etc.

so in other words it's either a choice or a "chemical imbalance caused by any number of factors from pollution, to birth defects"


I know it's a bit of leap but I'm just stating that this is the impression you gave me ..if I am wrong, I apoligise

These people have made a lifestyle choice. They're not suffering from a disease or condition.

as qckbeam so sadly proved: who would consciously choose such a difficult lifestyle?

 

[Foxtrot]

And jerking off makes a sticky tissue. What does this have to do with normality. The purpose of sex is not and has not ever been to create a child and nothing else. There are at least 2 more things associated with sex, pleasure and emotion. It is not necessary for a person to feel an emotional attachment to their partener, nor to gain pleasure from sex in order to create a baby. But people do feel these things, it is normal to enjoy sex, it is normal to use sex to increase an emotional bond between 2 people. So what if a gay couple only experience 2 out of 3, how does it make it any less normal?

Because of the way we are made. The penis is made to be put into a vagina, the asshole is made to shoot out crap. Now...would you consider it wierd to jam crap into a vagina?

 

[PickledGecko]

And a feather is used to keep a bird warm and dry, doesn't stop me getting an erection when my balls are tickled by one though.

 

[Foxtrot]

And a feather is used to keep a bird warm and dry, doesn't stop me getting an erection when my balls are tickled by one though.

No it doesn't, and in my opinion that is pretty effed up.

 

[oldagerocker]

Because of the way we are made. The penis is made to be put into a vagina, the asshole is made to shoot out crap. Now...would you consider it wierd to jam crap into a vagina?

get the dirty images out of your head. not all homosexuals have anal sex and some are perfectly happy not to, but that doesnt mean two people can't be in love. What people do for sexual gratification is there own private business, i dont see what its got anything to do with any talk on homosexuality at all, other than to disclose your own insecurities.

 

[Ikerous]

And a feather is used to keep a bird warm and dry, doesn't stop me getting an erection when my balls are tickled by one though.

By far the best argument EVER made .

 

[Foxtrot]

get the dirty images out of your head. not all homosexuals have anal sex and some are perfectly happy not to, but that doesnt mean two people can't be in love. What people do for sexual gratification is there own private business, i dont see what its got anything to do with any talk on homosexuality at all, other than to disclose your own insecurities.

It is their own business, but I can still think it is pretty wierd.

 

[eatbugs]

Homosexuality isn't a choice. You're born with it so to speak.

 

[Foxtrot]

Homosexuality isn't a choice. You're born with it so to speak.

You are born with a "gay gene" but most people born with it don't turn out gay (or only 50%).

 

[PickledGecko]

No it doesn't, and in my opinion that is pretty effed up.

Why? Do you really think my balls care whats touching them? I mean come on, its not like your brain says, "eeewww thats a feather, I'm not going to get aroused by that". The brain takes sensations from the nerves and processes them into plearurable, neutral, painfull. It doesn't care where the sensation comes from. Unless of course its the poo in the ass that puts you off, I can understand that, but ultametely, if you aren't bothered by that its the sensation of your cock in a hole thats pleasurable, regardless of which hole.

 

[satch919]

This is pretty sad to see. After all our civilization has gone through and you still find a way to hate someone simply because they're different. Does Hitler come to mind? What about the KKK and civil rights? That was just within the last century people!!! Its been proven time and time again, people will not stand for segregation, intolerance, and hate. This kind of hate is what has driven us to war in the past.

Do we ever learn from our mistakes? Right now, it doesn't seem like we have.

:angry:

 

[Foxtrot]

Why? Do you really think my balls care whats touching them? I mean come on, its not like your brain says, "eeewww thats a feather, I'm not going to get aroused by that". The brain takes sensations from the nerves and processes them into plearurable, neutral, painfull. It doesn't care where the sensation comes from. Unless of course its the poo in the ass that puts you off, I can understand that, but ultametely, if you aren't bothered by that its the sensation of your cock in a hole thats pleasurable, regardless of which hole.

So is it OK to stick my cock in my grandma and enjoy it? All I am trying to say is that you have to draw a line somewhere, and with that I am going to sleep.

 

[oldagerocker]

This is pretty sad to see. After all our civilization has gone through and you still find a way to hate someone simply because they're different. Does Hitler come to mind? What about the KKK and civil rights? That was just within the last century people!!! Its been proven time and time again, people will not stand for segregation, intolerance, and hate. This kind of hate is what has driven us to war in the past.

Do we ever learn from our mistakes? Right now, it doesn't seem like we have.

:angry:

The hate comes from just not understanding. Not understanding leads to fear... fear leads to hate... etc etc put in some more star wars quotes and you get the picture. Haters are the darkside.

 

[eatbugs]

Many great people are/were gay like Leonardo da vinci and Bill Clinton..

 

[PickledGecko]

Many great people are/were gay like Leonardo da vinci and Bill Clinton

Source?!?!

 

[eatbugs]

+cough+ +cough+ ughhhh yeh.....source....

 

[PickledGecko]

Maybe Hillary's been spreading rumours, trying to keep the women away from him.

 

[eatbugs]

Well I do know that Leonardo Da Vinici was gay.

 

[Danimal]

Please get back on topic before I close this thread.

 

[The Mullinator]

Well I do know that Leonardo Da Vinici was gay.

It would seem that way, although it may also be just a bit of myth. Funny thing is that it turns out today is his birthday.

 

[Raziaar]

granted ..but you contradict yourself:

you posted this earlier in your defense of your idea that homosexuality is a choice:

I see what you're saying, but I still fail to see where I contradict myself. I talk about instant switching of preference, as the case of someone having such an unbelievably bad experience with a guy or guys, to swear a life focused on the same sex when it comes to matters of love and sex. And also in cases where the change was gradual and much slower and perhaps also brought on by outside influences that negatively impacted their life, and so they changed their outlook and opinions on things and found the ability to see the same sex as more than they might have previously.

And then you also have those people who's personalities simply change. This is rarely ever done instantly, if even at all. But peoples personalities can and do change, and may lead them to a life of homosexuality. Certainly nothing that came from past traumatic events or anything. I'm not saying here that every or even most cases of homosexuality are brought on by negative things. It can be the exact opposite. I just hope we're clear on that.

so in other words it's either a choice or a "chemical imbalance caused by any number of factors from pollution, to birth defects"


I know it's a bit of leap but I'm just stating that this is the impression you gave me ..if I am wrong, I apoligise

Now now... You know I was talking only about non humans there. I wasn't implying at all that human homosexuality was caused by chemical imbalances or defects. I have explicitly stated that my opinions on how it is humans become homosexual are based on willpower and the ability to stray from the path that nature has attempted to guide us towards. Procreation with the opposite sex to further the existance of our species. And just as an aside note, to all of this stuff we have been discussing. None of my opinions or anything here has been the result of me speaking in regards to religion. I'm not bringing religion into any of this. So when I say 'way nature intended', etc. I don't mean the way god intended. I mean as I said, the way nature intended.

as qckbeam so sadly proved: who would consciously choose such a difficult lifestyle?

Why does the lifestyle have to be difficult? If you honestly believe that it is a matter of gene encoding, then by all means think that. I'm not going to attempt to utterly and completely change that view. I'm just expressing my own view that I think its the opposite and not true.

If you're homosexual... embrace it is all I can say. If you like the lifestyle, then enjoy it. But I can't guarantee that it will be an easy one, just as many others are not. There will always be those that seek to make the lives of people miserable for god(figure of speech, not getting into religion) knows what reasons. Homosexuals aren't exempt from these people. But thankfully oftentimes they aren't the most persecuted of all.

EDIT: I mean. People all the time bash people for being Rednecks, or hillbillies etc. and the odd thing is, this comes from those who are on the more liberal spectrum who are supposed to generally be more accepting and understanding.

 

[eatbugs]

It would seem that way, although it may also be just a bit of myth. Funny thing is that it turns out today is his birthday.

Hmmm the day gets stranger and stranger

 

[Raziaar]

Hmmm the day gets stranger and stranger

Stop going off topic. I don't want this thread to be locked. At least not until i'm done being responded to here and get my closure.

 

[oldagerocker]

I do understand alittle with raziaar saying that traumatic events can effect people so much that they dont trust the other sex or just look to their own for love and comfort.
my ex girlfriend was very very badly treated by guys she previously trusted since childhood, even me after we broke up... as teenagers... now she's a lesbian, but she always said she was bi-sexual anyway. But i cant help but thing the trauma she went through as a child somehow ruined any trust she had with guys, and i dont blame her. She's happier now with her girlfriend and good on her

 

[Danimal]

Stop going off topic. I don't want this thread to be locked. At least not until i'm done being responded to here and get my closure.

After Captain Stern give you your closure, i'll close this thread. It is going to spam.

 

[eatbugs]

Ok then. Well I've got another question. If everyone here seems to be fine with homosexuality how do you feel about same sex marriage? Many people are up in arms about this.

 

[PickledGecko]

I would suggest another thread for that, but I imagine there's been loads before it.

p.s. sorry for going a little off topic before

 

[Danimal]

I am fine with same sex marriges, since society is more accepting of it than the older days. My generation are fine with it when looked at in detail.

That is why you see the older people slightly or completely against homosexuality and same sex marriges, since society thought "Gay people suxx0rz"

 

[eatbugs]

I have nothing against homosexuals but I really disagree with same sex marriage. In New Zealand there have been large scale demonstartions agianst it.

 

[PickledGecko]

I believe couples, regardless of their sexuality, should be allowed the same legal rights, i.e. The same tax breaks, legal right to make decisions that the next of kin has, etc.

I have yet to hear a single argument against it that sounds in any way reasonable.

As for church weddings, thats a matter for each parish church to decide for themselves. If for example the Catholic Church remains against it and refuses to hold same sex marrages in their churchs or to allow their Priests to perform same sex weddings, they are within their right to do so.

 

[eatbugs]

Mr. Gecko just have a look around on the internet if you want an argument against because there are alot.

 

[Danimal]

Sorry, Cpt Stern, you'll need to PM your answer to Raziaar.

*closed*