Homosexuals Given The Boot From Military

[Absinthe]

http://planetout.com/news/article.html?2005/08/04/1

"Howe, 32, enlisted in the Army after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, taking a leave of absence from his job in corporate marketing. He was already open with family and friends about his sexuality, but his desire to help his country exceeded his concern about the military's gay ban.

"Going back in the closet was a trade-off I could make briefly," Howe said in an interview with the PlanetOut Network."

And yet his attraction to males weighs more than his military service and commitment on the battlefield? How sad.

Shit like this has to be ended. Regardless of how you think one becomes homosexual is irrelevant. He's out fighting for his country and risking his life. Homosexuals deserve far better treatment than this. Honestly, what is there to fear? Do people have the idea that gays in the military will turn it into an army-themed porn production studio? That they'll infect the ranks with AIDS? That we'll all catch "teh gay"? This is ridiculous.

 

[xzeox]

Im speechless.

 

[ríomhaire]

That is f*cked up.

 

[gh0st]

The dont-ask-dont-tell policy is perfect. I dont want to be in the trenches with someone who may or may not want to punch my donut. The reality is that men and women are separated for a reason, and a very good reason. So they dont ****. It would be the same way in any other workplace if you were around your coworkers 24/7 in the same conditions as the military.

 

[ríomhaire]

Men and wemon are seperated!

 

[qckbeam]

It's insane. Things like this need to stop.

 

[Spectre01]

Was he sexualy harassing and flirting with other soldiers?

 

[Absinthe]

The dont-ask-dont-tell policy is perfect. I dont want to be in the trenches with someone who may or may not want to punch my donut. The reality is that men and women are separated for a reason, and a very good reason. So they dont ****. It would be the same way in any other workplace if you were around your coworkers 24/7 in the same conditions as the military.

Yes, I'm sure that homosexuals would be absolutely raging to violate you in a foxhole. Or perhaps, like most people, they don't try to **** every person of the gender they are attracted to.

The "don't ask, don't tell" policy only prohibits you from revealing your sexuality publicly and does not exclude homosexuals outright. So - whoops - there goes your argument right there about not wanting to be with a potential sex partner.

But I think there's a deeper issue here. Do you honestly believe that Howe should have recieved such treatment when he was willing to lay his life on the line for his country?

Was he sexualy harassing and flirting with other soldiers?

The article mentions nothing of it, and as such, we should not assume that he was.

"Howe's case started this spring in Iraq with a Web log, or blog, the Army asked him to create so that his unit could easily update friends and family back home. One of the photos he posted to the blog depicted a vehicle that was blown up by a rocket. A commander who was senior to Howe's direct supervisor objected to the photo and quietly started a background investigation on Howe, which led to the discovery of his Connexion.org profile from 2004."

Oh, wow. A profile on a gay site. How devious. He obviously intended to rape his unit.

 

[T.H.C.138]

hey as long as he doesn't want the tanks and such to be pink or rainbow colored...who really gives a rats ass if he is gay?

I would be more concerned with his ability to shoot straight! (ha ha! lame I know..)

hell you look at most sports and these manly men are slapping each others asses and towel whipping in the showers...to me that is very "gay"..isn't it?

 

[Glirk Dient]

The fact is that they don't want homosexuals discracting or being distracted by interest in the people around him. That is why they seperate men and women. I am glad that they have a don't ask don't tell policy so homosexuals can still serve and not be or cause others to get distracted. They aren't talking about when they are in a foxhole, but more in the classroom or out on maneuvers or tenting together. There is no room for sex when lives are on the line.

 

[gh0st]

Yes, I'm sure that homosexuals would be absolutely raging to violate you in a foxhole. Or perhaps, like most people, they don't try to **** every person of the gender they are attracted to.

Put a man and a woman in a foxhole and what would you expect to happen?
But two gay guys in a foxhole and what would you expect to happen? No reason to think it would be any different.

The "don't ask, don't tell" policy only prohibits you from revealing your sexuality publicly and does not exclude homosexuals outright. So - whoops - there goes your argument right there about not wanting to be with a potential sex partner.

No it does exlude homosexuals outright. If you are in the army you are expected to be heterosexual.

But I think there's a deeper issue here. Do you honestly believe that Howe should have recieved such treatment when he was willing to lay his life on the line for his country?

Yes. He broke the rules. I'm never going to approve of homosexuals "openly practicing" in the military. Not for moral or ethical reasons, but for logistical ones.

 

[eatbugs]

send the homosexuals to the front line then if you want them in the army.

 

[gh0st]

send the homosexuals to the front line then if you want them in the army.

o noes dats diskriminatoin LOL just leik u did to KLINTON LOL.

 

[ríomhaire]

Perfect solution! Put the gay guys in with the women!/sarcasm

 

[The Monkey]

Put a man and a woman in a foxhole and what would you expect to happen?
But two gay guys in a foxhole and what would you expect to happen? No reason to think it would be any different.

Err... Nothing? Do you try to have sex with a woman every time you see one? It's called self-control, maybe you haven't heard of it.

 

[bliink]

send the homosexuals to the front line then if you want them in the army.

one would assume that any homosexuals in the army would already be on the "front line"... theres no reason why one wouldnt end up there... I cant see one.

 

[el Chi]

The dont-ask-dont-tell policy is perfect. I dont want to be in the trenches with someone who may or may not want to punch my donut.

The sad thing is, I'm pretty sure you're not joking.
I really can't fathom this idea that dick-head homphobes (YES, like yourself) have that all gay people are just licking their lips waiting for every man they see to drop their guard so they can have their wicked, sinful way with them.
It's basically the same as saying "We shouldn't let "darks" into the army because they'll just try and steal our stuff and eat watermelon."

There's a difference between "gay" and "rapist" you ignorant c*nt. Besides which, don't instantly give yourself that much f*cking credit that you're so damn hot that no guy could ever resist you.

 

[jimbo118]

The sad thing is, I'm pretty sure you're not joking.
I really can't fathom this idea that dick-head homphobes (YES, like yourself) have that all gay people are just licking their lips waiting for every man they see to drop their guard so they can have their wicked, sinful way with them.
It's basically the same as saying "We shouldn't let "darks" into the army because they'll just try and steal our stuff and eat watermelon."

There's a difference between "gay" and "rapist" you ignorant c*nt. Besides which, don't instantly give yourself that much f*cking credit that you're so damn hot that no guy could ever resist you.

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well said, so many homphobes around here:dozey: ...

 

[Kangy]

Exactly, Chi. With an attitude like that, what's to say any gay men in the army would actually want to "punch your donut" as you so eloquently phrased it.

 

[seinfeldrules]

I really can't fathom this idea that dick-head homphobes (YES, like yourself) have that all gay people are just licking their lips waiting for every man they see to drop their guard so they can have their wicked, sinful way with them.

......

Put a man and a woman in a foxhole and what would you expect to happen?
But two gay guys in a foxhole and what would you expect to happen? No reason to think it would be any different.

 

[Kangy]

Wait, so it's actually a problem with level of professionalism in the army, rather than the fact that they're gay.

Well, I'm glad that's sorted.

 

[seinfeldrules]

I was just showing what I think his true point is.

 

[outpost]

The sad thing is, I'm pretty sure you're not joking.
I really can't fathom this idea that dick-head homphobes (YES, like yourself) have that all gay people are just licking their lips waiting for every man they see to drop their guard so they can have their wicked, sinful way with them.
It's basically the same as saying "We shouldn't let "darks" into the army because they'll just try and steal our stuff and eat watermelon."

There's a difference between "gay" and "rapist" you ignorant c*nt. Besides which, don't instantly give yourself that much f*cking credit that you're so damn hot that no guy could ever resist you.

This man speaketh thine truth! All hail the great chi!

 

[Absinthe]

The fact is that they don't want homosexuals discracting or being distracted by interest in the people around him. That is why they seperate men and women. I am glad that they have a don't ask don't tell policy so homosexuals can still serve and not be or cause others to get distracted. They aren't talking about when they are in a foxhole, but more in the classroom or out on maneuvers or tenting together. There is no room for sex when lives are on the line.

How does a profile on a gay website matter in any way to your fellow soldiers?

Put a man and a woman in a foxhole and what would you expect to happen?
But two gay guys in a foxhole and what would you expect to happen? No reason to think it would be any different.

I don't get it. Are you implying that they'd have intercourse in the private convenience of a hole in the ground?

No it does exlude homosexuals outright. If you are in the army you are expected to be heterosexual.

It allows men/women, regardless of sexuality, to be in the armed forces so long as such information is not publicly and openly stated. Essentially, "you can be gay, but you need to keep your mouth shut". It's a wishy-washy policy that allows people to say "Hey, we're not discriminatory! At least not 100%."

Yes. He broke the rules. I'm never going to approve of homosexuals "openly practicing" in the military. Not for moral or ethical reasons, but for logistical ones.

Openly practicing? They don't **** in the open, gh0st. I expected more from you than this grossly homophobic and stereotypical trash.

As for your logistical reasons - I'm not seeing 'em.

 

[dys4iK]

Logistical reasons? Like what? Gay people don't need different equipment. Maybe you meant strategic or tactical?

Of course, I can't think of a reason for either of those, either.

 

[ríomhaire]

Logistical reasons? Like what? Gay people don't need different equipment. Maybe you meant strategic or tactical?

Of course, I can't think of a reason for either of those, either.

"We can't kill those terrorists, guys. They're dress sense is way too good, I must know where they got those fabulous balacalavas"

 

[Pesmerga]

I can just see this getting to the point where the military can't kick homosexuals out even if they are horrible soldiers (irrelevant of their sexual prefference) because of bad press. Give it a decade I'm sure all the old generals will have died out by then. Anyways, if they reinstate the draft, they will be forced to lift the ban because anyone who didn't want to go would just exclame their homoness.

 

[Glirk Dient]

How does a profile on a gay website matter in any way to your fellow soldiers?

Explain to me where I mentioned anything about a profile on a gay website. Foxholes, bunkers, maneuvers and classroom training has nothing to do with the internet.

 

[ríomhaire]

Explain to me where I mentioned anything about a profile on a gay website. Foxholes, bunkers, maneuvers and classroom training has nothing to do with the internet.

Read the article :upstare:

 

[Glirk Dient]

I posted why having a homosexual in your unit matters. He identified himself as gay and the military found that. It is unfortunate that happened. I am a strong believer that anyone who is able and wants to fight for their country should. I do see the logic behind this, and that is what I explained. It is too bad things like this happen.

 

[el Chi]

I was just showing what I think his true point is.

I won't lie; I've had one or two drinks. So, whilst my sentiments will remain the same as they were before, my fuse is shorter than usual. Any curteousness may be discarded, I'm afraid.

So I'll start as I mean to go on: You're a f*cking moron.
And yes, that did necessitate an underline. And yes, I'm restraining myself from using stronger language, although f*ck knows why.
Honest to God, how can you possibly agree with gh0st's extraordinarily skewed ideas on sexual urges in life-or-death situations?

Maybe it's just me, although I sincerely doubt it, but if I was in a wartime situation with bullets zipping past my head and explosions ringing in my ears, sex is going to be the last thing on my mind.
Put me in a shootout in Iraq in a foxhole exchanging fire with my only comrade as Elisha Cuthbert, but I'm really not going to be there next to her going "So baby, did the fall from Heaven hurt?"
No, I - and I must stress, this is only a personal preference - am going to be thinking "She's been trained to shoot and look out for comrades, so hopefully I, if not we, will live to see another day."
Furthermore, I will most certainly not be thinking "Hmmm, she's hot. Forget the fact that I may be killed, or even worse caught and tortured in incredibly inhumane ways, I'm going to forcibly engage in intercourse with her instead of preserving my own well-being, let alone existence."

Although, as I say, perhaps this is just me. I dunno.

 

[CptStern]

see the problem as I see it is that the majority of you see this:


a female soldier

a gay soldier


but reality is closer to:


a female soldier

a gay soldier

 

[ríomhaire]

Are you sure that's the right link for real female soldier?

 

[CptStern]

Are you sure that's the right link for real female soldier?

yup that's her

 

[ríomhaire]

because it's linking me to this
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/LAW/06/14/prison.abuse.england/vert.story.private.lynndie..jpg

 

[CptStern]

ya man that's her ...private Lyndie Englund


:O

 

[el Chi]

www.hotornot.com

 

[ríomhaire]

www.hotornot.com

Am, point?

 

[el Chi]

<Sigh> It was a silly response to the "It's a girl" - "No way!" - "Way!" silliness.
Come on, dear boy...

 

[kirovman]

If your army is going to shag each other at the first sign of some meat (for lack of a better word), they probably aren't disciplined enough anyway. That's what conscription does for ya.