How Do You Think We Will Defeat Terrorism?

[^Ben]

How do you think we will defeat terrorism?

I personally belive that fighting an ideal with a conventional war is stupid, and it's been proven time and time again that it does not work and just gets us into a cycle or more terrorists and terrorism.

I belive we should find out what makes them hate and/or tick and take that way away from them, trying to kill them 1 by 1 will not work and will just create more terrorists.

 

[Absinthe]

Terrorism will never be defeated.

In regards to the bulk of radical Islamic fundamentalism, however, there needs to be a strategy. Conventional war (which is currently being employed) is just ridiculous and will only inflame the situation. For every martyr you make, more will join the cause.

It needs to be defeated ideologically. How is something I'm not too sure about. It's not going to be something won in a couple of years. It could possibly require generations of work in terms of educating the world.

 

[Razor]

How do you think we will defeat terrorism?

I personally belive that fighting an ideal with a conventional war is stupid, and it's been proven time and time again that it does not work and just gets us into a cycle or more terrorists and terrorism.

I belive we should find out what makes them hate and/or tick and take that way away from them, trying to kill them 1 by 1 will not work and will just create more terrorists.

If only George Bush and Tony Blair were as smart as you .

 

[burner69]

War against an idea is unwinnable. Simple.

But I think if we give it a few years things will calm down, or we'll find a new enemy with NK, or those crazy aliens in Saturns moon smething like that.

 

[CptStern]

the only way to defeat terrorism is to change the conditions that brought about terrorism in the first place. Unlike popular perception, terrorsts dont commit terrorism for the hell of it

 

[^Ben]

Ok, another question.

What do you think causes terrorism(I know there are alot of different terrorists with many different agendas, but what do you think the overall crux of their cause is)

 

[Razor]

Ok, another question.

What do you think causes terrorism(I know there are alot of different terrorists with many different agendas, but what do you think the overall crux of their cause is)

Oppression, both actual and presumed. Also, it is a way of fighting a big enemy with little resourses.

 

[Dynasty]

just look at what bush said in my sig....enough said

 

[Bodacious]

the only way to defeat terrorism is to change the conditions that brought about terrorism in the first place. Unlike popular perception, terrorsts dont commit terrorism for the hell of it

Give in to terrorist demands, is that what you are advocating?

 

[jondy]

No. But good job at inference. Heh

What he's saying, is that poor quality of life breeds hate, which breeds terrorists, and maybe if the richer countries of the world did something about said poor QOL, then perhaps terrorists wouldn't have such a great cause. Terrorists are still people, buddy. They don't blow themselves up for laugh.

Well, most of them don't

Don't get your hackles up, Bodacious, this is a pretty clean thread so far. Let's not turn it into quote wars: the reckoning.

 

[CptStern]

Give in to terrorist demands, is that what you are advocating?

are you purposefully twisting my words to start a famewar? why would you interpret it that way? ..in no way does what i wrote advocate that

 

[jondy]

Everyone knows, Captain, don't worry about it

 

[CptStern]

heh just making sure ...i think the mods should change the politics forum to "lets all attack Stern the commie!! yay!" ..but that's probably too many words for a title

 

[burner69]

No. But good job at inference. Heh

What he's saying, is that poor quality of life breeds hate, which breeds terrorists, and maybe if the richer countries of the world did something about said poor QOL, then perhaps terrorists wouldn't have such a great cause. Terrorists are still people, buddy. They don't blow themselves up for laugh.

Well, most of them don't

Don't get your hackles up, Bodacious, this is a pretty clean thread so far. Let's not turn it into quote wars: the reckoning.

Unfortunatley due to the media, and often Bush and Blairs speeches, a lot of people genuienly believe that terrorists attack because they are jealous that we are rich, or that they do it just because they are evil people.
It'd sad that in modern times grown men and women believe that there are bad guys out there with no motives other than their black blooded, evil hearts.
Breaking down that BS is stage one to stopping terrorism.

 

[Bodacious]

are you purposefully twisting my words to start a famewar? why would you interpret it that way? ..in no way does what i wrote advocate that

No, I am genuinely curious.

the only way to defeat terrorism is to change the conditions that brought about terrorism in the first place.

What do you think brought about terrorism?

Zionism brings about terrorism, does it not? So Israelies should just pack up and leave and cave to terrorist demands? How else should they change? Actually, I think they did give palestinians most of what they wanted, but there have been other attacks directed at israel.

So how should we have appeased McVeigh? Should we have eliminated technology so the UNABomber wouldn't make mail bombs?

Should we not have oppsed communism? After all, that opposition of communism is what created Osama, was it not?

Please tell me what we should change to end terror. I am listening.

 

[Bodacious]

maybe if the richer countries of the world did something about said poor QOL, then perhaps terrorists wouldn't have such a great cause. Terrorists are still people, buddy. They don't blow themselves up for laugh.

So you support France's idea of an international tax to support humanitarian causes?

Yes, regular people behead there fellow man. I see that logic, I truly do. /sracasm

Well, most of them don't

Don't get your hackles up, Bodacious, this is a pretty clean thread so far. Let's not turn it into quote wars: the reckoning.

So what happened to exchange of ideas? I guess I should shut my mouth huh?

 

[jondy]

Victory, Obi- Wan? Not Victory. Begun, this quote war has.


All Stern was saying was; happy people don't blow shit up. The McVeigh case you pointed out is a classic example. The guy had a shit family, a string of dead-end jobs and couldn't score.

He didn't spring into life on 23rd April, 1968 with a do-or-die ( no pun intended ) mission to bomb that building. He was created. Fact is, trying to improve peoples lives lengthens the odds that they're gonna drive up to your house in a Ryder track packed with Nitro and scatter you over the near vicinity.

 

[jondy]

So what happened to exchange of ideas? I guess I should shut my mouth huh?

No, you should quit with the attitude and post in a decent manner. No one seems to have a problem with me expressing my views, because I do it with a civil tongue in my head. Respect works two ways.

 

[burner69]

So you support France's idea of an international tax to support humanitarian causes?

You got a link for that? Sounds good.

Go France!!

 

[PvtRyan]

"War on terror" is pretty retarded in my opinion. Terrorists commit their acts out of an idealogy, when you start killing them, you only strengthen that idealogy and their beliefs. You can kill terrorists, but not terrorism.

 

[Bodacious]

No, you should quit with the attitude and post in a decent manner. No one seems to have a problem with me expressing my views, because I do it with a civil tongue in my head. Respect works two ways.

What attitude would that be? Do you really think I care what you think about me?

 

[Bodacious]

You got a link for that? Sounds good.

Go France!!

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/050126/1/3q44a.html

 

[Absinthe]

Do you really think I care what you think?

There's your problem.

 

[Bodacious]

Victory, Obi- Wan? Not Victory. Begun, this quote war has.


All Stern was saying was; happy people don't blow shit up. The McVeigh case you pointed out is a classic example. The guy had a shit family, a string of dead-end jobs and couldn't score.

He didn't spring into life on 23rd April, 1968 with a do-or-die ( no pun intended ) mission to bomb that building. He was created. Fact is, trying to improve peoples lives lengthens the odds that they're gonna drive up to your house in a Ryder track packed with Nitro and scatter you over the near vicinity.

Ok, what do you think would make the PLO happy? The extermination of all jews, no?

What would make Osamma happy?

 

[Bodacious]

There's your problem.

First, let me ammend what I said: "Do you really think I care what you think [about me]?" That was my intention.

That is a problem how?

 

[Absinthe]

Bodacious, the way you twist these words amazes me.

It's being argued that these people are products of their environments. Oppression. Percieved oppression. The way they have been brought up and educated. Whatever the problem may have been, it's what made them what they are, be it a legitimate cause or a case of indoctrination.

These problems need to be fixed. What part of this says "concede to the terrorists"?

 

[firemachine69]

"War on terror" is pretty retarded in my opinion. Terrorists commit their acts out of an idealogy, when you start killing them, you only strengthen that idealogy and their beliefs. You can kill terrorists, but not terrorism.

Well if you don't, they get the impression they're in power. Which is all fine and dandy, till something snaps, it always does. Then all hell breaks loose. The only way to minimize, key word there, impossible to eliminate, is to place THEM in a position of fear. Make THEM double-think their actions. THAT'S the goal. To make them question their own choices, make them be empathetic.

They have no rationality. We're trying to cram it into them. It'll work. It's gotta work. For the sake of humanity.

Personally I'd just light their genitals on fire.

 

[Absinthe]

First, let me ammend what I said: "Do you really think I care what you think [about me]?" That was my intention.

That is a problem how?

I replied to what you said, not what you meant to say. If you meant something else with it, then obviously my reply no longer stands.

Don't correct yourself and then continue to incriminate me in the same post.

 

[jondy]

Firemachine, placing a bunch of terrorists in a position of fear is akin to poking a sleeping bear in the eye with its mates' severed hand.

Bodacious, if you don't care what anyone thinks of you on these forums, then why are you even having a debate with them?

 

[CptStern]

Ok, what do you think would make the PLO happy? The extermination of all jews, no?

What would make Osamma happy?

the PLO has never called for the extermination of jews ..they want what is owned them: a palestinian state

I'm not osama but I'm sure he would have wanted to west out of saudi arabia, israel, afghanistan, iraq etc

 

[firemachine69]

Not quite. A rational person goes psychotic in that type of situation. So what you're saying, for a NORMAL person, applies here. Unfortunately, therrorists have SQUAT in rationality. They have no problem with strapping their own children to crude, yet powerful explosives, to them it's "hey it's one kid for ten americans, it's worth it". Yes, it *is* generalization, but for 98% of circumstances, it applies.

 

[burner69]

Firemachine, placing a bunch of terrorists in a position of fear is akin to poking a sleeping bear in the eye with its mates' severed hand.

A very good analogy.

You have to remember that while naturally terrorists will be afraid of certain things, they do not get scared about the same kind of things as me or you. Most, if not all are very religious, and believe that if they die fighting for their cause they will become matyrs, and go up and chill with Allah and some virgins.

Killing isn't so frightening when you're dealing with people who are willing to blow themselves up, or fly planes into buildings.

 

[jondy]

Not quite. A rational person goes psychotic in that type of situation. So what you're saying, for a NORMAL person, applies here. Unfortunately, therrorists have SQUAT in rationality. They have no problem with strapping their own children to crude, yet powerful explosives, to them it's "hey it's one kid for ten americans, it's worth it". Yes, it *is* generalization, but for 98% of circumstances, it applies.

Terrorists aren't some random race of people. They are guys n' gals ( mostly guys ) who have been brought up on the wrong side of the tracks, or who have been pushed too far. I'm not justifying their actions in the least, but you have to get past the fact that nurture, not nature, produced them.

 

[firemachine69]

I encourage the US's torture on REAL terrorists they captured (if they're only believed to be, come on, everyone deserves a real trial).

 

[CptStern]

Firemachine, placing a bunch of terrorists in a position of fear is akin to poking a sleeping bear in the eye with its mates' severed hand.

hehhe that was LoL funny


anyways ..I wonder why no one's mentioned state-sponsored terror ..which is responsible for more deaths than conventional terrorism ...you know, death squads in El salvador, Savak in Iran, Indonesian government, pol pot, water treatment assesments :E etc

 

[firemachine69]

water treatment assesments :E etc

 

[Bodacious]

Bodacious, the way you twist these words amazes me.

I am just trying to get to the root of the issue here.

It's being argued that these people are products of their environments. Oppression. Percieved oppression. The way they have been brought up and educated. Whatever the problem may have been, it's what made them what they are, be it a legitimate cause or a case of indoctrination.

These problems need to be fixed. What part of this says "concede to the terrorists"?

Who is the oppressor of these people? Take the case of Iraq, the sunis oppressed the shia, and now who is doing the bombing?

From a different perspective now, according the the Iraqi shia the US are their oppressors, correct? Is their claim justified? Depends on who you ask. According to me, no its not. They oppressed the shia and all we ask is their cooperation in a democratic Iraq. Instead they take arms because we overthrew their government.

How was McVeigh oppressed? How was Kazynsky oppressed? How were the KKK oppressed? How is PETA oppressed?

 

[Bodacious]

the PLO has never called for the extermination of jews ..they want what is owned them: a palestinian state

Ok, fine, how about Hamas or Hizbollah or Abu Nidal or Al-Qaeda? I garauntee you someone from this organization has spoken out agains the Zionist movement.

I'm not osama but I'm sure he would have wanted to west out of saudi arabia, israel, afghanistan, iraq etc

Why is the west in these places, specificaly Israel? If the US stopped supporting israel how long do you think it would be before all of the arab nations launched an attack on Israel?

 

[jondy]

McVeigh, like I said, was a poor white kid who couldn't get along in life due to a string of shitty jobs and a rough upbringing. A large majority of KKK members were ( are? ) poor whites who are stuck at the bottom of the barrel, and need someone to blame. Like people keep saying in this thread, if these people's quality of life was better, perhaps they wouldn't be reduced to the state that they're in.

Absinthe wasn't just talking about oppression, he was talking about upbringing, indoctrination, a bunch of other stuff. Read his whole post.

 

[Bodacious]

McVeigh, like I said, was a poor white kid who couldn't get along in life due to a string of shitty jobs and a rough upbringing. A large majority of KKK members were ( are? ) poor whites who are stuck at the bottom of the barrel, and need someone to blame. Like people keep saying in this thread, if these people's quality of life was better, perhaps they wouldn't be reduced to the state that they're in.

Absinthe wasn't just talking about oppression, he was talking about upbringing, indoctrination, a bunch of other stuff. Read his whole post.

Yah, senator Byrd is a poor white guy huh?

http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/7281.html

That is a bad source, but it is commone knowledge. Do a google search and you will see that it is true.