I just had to share this pic of my registered short barrel shotgun

[Bob_Marley]

Eh, I wasn't saying that shotgun target shooting doesn't require that as well. But if you own a sweet rifle and you use it for target shooting, that's cool. I see less point in owning a military-grade shotgun.

As I say, as far as sporting use goes, its Practial Shotgun - the nature of the shooting course means one needs pump/auto shotgun with a fairly large magazine because of how the sport works. Its possible to do it with a section 2 shotgun (ie on a shotgun rather than firearms certificate) but the magazine restrictions (only permitted 2 cartridges in the magazine) usually mean much slower times, which is why at high level events you see people running autos loading from box magazines (lots of rounds ready to go, super fast reload compared to tube magazines - ideal for fast course runs).

The other use is large scale pest control, such as dealing with flocks of vermin birds or large numbers of ground vermin. However, in the UK at least section 1 certificates (for automatic shotguns with a magazine capacity greater than 2 rounds, section 1 also covers other weapons such rifles and muzzle loading handguns) are rarely handed out for that (generally, iirc only to professional pest controllers).

Also, I write this frmo the position of someone from the UK, where laws and gun culture are somewhat different to in the US so how applicable this is to SIGbastard's case is anyone's guess. Simply pointing out that there are legitimate sporting and pest control uses for such weapons - though in the UK the layout is more restrictive so one wouldn't see a short design such as this one (owing to laws about minimum barrel and overall length)

 

[Sloth]

Last word from me tonight guys. I never said I was going to hunt hogs with this shotgun. That would be downright scary. A shotty is not the ideal weapon.

Then why in god's name do you own it?

If it was to look pretty - you keep it locked up. Even then, if I collected firearms they would be ornate muskets or rifles from WW1 of WW2 - something with craftsmanship or historical relevance.

I have no problem with owning firearms, just that people need to have a use for them. Within the Australian system, you can own a firearm if you have a rural property, are part of a firearm club or if you register with the State Government to aid in pest control.

EDIT: I do agree with what Bob is saying...

 

[morgs]

Frankly I looked at the image/post, thought 'that's pretty cool' and that was that. Then i read the comments and lol'd at how many people got riled up over it. If you think it's a waste of time and money don't bother posting if you know it will probably cause arguments. Just hit the back button and go to a different thread.

 

[Lucid]

Frankly I looked at the image/post, thought 'that's pretty cool' and that was that. Then i read the comments and lol'd at how many people got riled up over it. If you think it's a waste of time and money don't bother posting if you know it will probably cause arguments. Just hit the back button and go to a different thread.

No shit.
Some of the people in this thread are either really easy marks or trolls.

I have a passing interest in weapons and own a .22 Ruger Single Six myself and like to take it to the range about once a month, decent way to blow off some steam.

I'd never consider collecting weapons or anything as it's far too expensive and I'd have no place to put them all.
I really just have the single gun for defending my home, fiance, and pets from predators and crazies.

 

[MorganFreeman911]

I think it's the latter, but maybe it's just me thinking that..

 

[Raziaar]

I find myself posting this again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gIHDHZf1TA


Watch the whole damn thing before jumping to conclusions.

Those Saiga 12's are real nice, was looking into getting one, but a pump-action Winchester (if I can find one (Winchester's decline yadayada)) seems more practical.

What kinda fire rate does it have? Read somewhere that, while it wasn't full auto, it shot much faster then a Benelli M4 (M1014) and the 20 round drum seems like a handy thing to have...

I do find that video interesting and for the most part I find his answers quite logical and I guess... okay.

But that doesn't mean people who don't have criminal records and own guns won't commit crimes of passion because they have a gun. I never know when some dude with a concealed carry license will act illogically and irrationally and kill me or people near me or someone I love.

Take this as an example.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/HPD-...n-head-while-riding-in-moms-car-86336722.html

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6896633.html

The confrontation began when Calderon's 1998 Cadillac struck Randle's Nissan Altima Wednesday night and kept going. Randle told police she sped up to the Cadillac and wrote down its license plate number. She then passed the Cadillac, police said.

Randle's daughter then told her the man in the Cadillac was chasing them, the criminal complaint shows.

The shooting happened at 8:20 p.m. when the two cars reached the 3900 block of Westhampton. One of the bullets went through the back windshield of Randle's Altima and hit her daughter in the head. Police believe the girl was turned around in her seat, looking out the back window and talking to her mother as Calderon chased them, Harris said.

Officers arrived to see the wounded teen lying in the street before an ambulance rushed her to the hospital. Randle gave Houston police the license plate number.

Calderon has no criminal history. His bail is $50,000. Randle, 40, declined to comment when contacted by the Chronicle on Thursday.

Houston homicide investigators said Calderon, who is licensed to carry a concealed handgun, alleged he was acting in self-defense, but his story does not match accounts provided by witnesses.

“He's very knowledgeable about gun laws and about when he can and can't use his weapon,” said Sgt. Brian Harris of the Houston Police Department Homicide Division. “There are no indications this was self-defense.”

It's not a case of "criminals going to kill you anyway, no matter what they have."

It's a case of a guy without a criminal record, who for most of his life acted responsibility with his weapons... but then for some reason he acted out of some sort of anger and realized he had a weapon he could use to reach out and show that person his anger. Instead of fists being thrown, or angry words, it's a hail of gunfire.

 

[VirusType2]

In the future, guns could have GPS linked to the safety switch. So, gun off safety in McDonald's = not a good sign. Gun off safety at the shooting range = OK.

It won't stop shit from happening (though it could, if guns had a digital safety lock), but it might make them think twice that they could get away with it, so they don't pull out the gun in the first place. The digital lock would make concealed carry useless, though.

 

[15357]

**** you guys. SIG has some really good points, and some really big guns. It's none of your damned business if someone has a hobby, and it doesn't harm anyone. It'd seem to me that hippies and tree-huggers harm more people than responsible gun owners.


Also, America wouldn't be anything with gun control. It'd be like Canada's fat little brother, but somehow less awesome.


Finally, I'm way over here, so if somebody goes on a rampage with an automatic shotgun, I'll be safe on the other side of the world.

 

[Stigmata]

Safe and responsible adults never kill anyone with a firearm, until some of them do. And that's just the ones who should be able to have guns.

 

[Acepilotf14]

(though it could, if guns had a digital safety lock),

NANOMACHINES

 

[VirusType2]

Finally, I'm way over here, so if somebody goes on a rampage with an automatic shotgun, I'll be safe on the other side of the world.

Ahahahahaa, you got me at this last part

 

[peter]

These types of guns are highly restricted. If you have any criminal record it's not going to happen. In some states the police chief in your county has to sign off on your forms. You are legally required to keep it locked up when not in your posession. So basically you don't know what your talking about. The ATF has a file on me. Short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns, AOW's, destructive devices, machine guns, and suppressors are highly restricted in the US. Legal ownership of these items is a tiny fraction of gun owners. Most don't even know it's legal through the proper avenues.

what do you mean i don't know what i'm talking about? All i did was state the universal fact that gun crime is extremely high in America.

Then on top of that i added my opinion that these types of guns are totally not needed.

I have seen citizens in America with automatic assault rifles, there is just no need for it. The police should be the only ones carrying these types of weapons.

 

[Kisze]

You know I am a pretty safe sane responsible individual

Some people need killing.

Okay..

 

[Cornerstone]

You know I am a pretty safe sane responsible individual

Why is it when people start off with these statements, they are usually the exact opposite or mean the exact opposite.

Eg.

"I don't mean to pry."

"Not to be an ass."

"I don't mean to sound crazy."

"You don't like to be tickled, do you?"

 

[Escaep]

Ok I just realized some of you guys were referencing team fortress 2:E. I never really played it much.

I was actually referencing Bad Company 2 but all is good.

 

[SIGbastard]

I stand by my statement that some people need killing. It's unfortunate but true. However unlikely things like rape, murder, armed battery, etc happen every day. If someone comes into my home and intends to hurt me or my family in any way then they need killing. There would be no foul in blowing their brains out point blank with this shotty.

There are times when a gun is not the answer. If someone wants to fist fight blowing their head off is obviously not an option. If they want to molest your daughter and kill your wife then it's a different story.

As far as assault weapons not all of them are restricted as this. In most states private transactions are not restricted. Meaning I could meet someone on a street corner and sell them a semi-automatic assault rifle legally with no background check etc. They just have to be a resident of the same state. There are items that have been heavily restricted since the National Firearms Act of 1934. Short barrel shotgus, short barrel rifles, suppressors, machine guns etc all fall into this category. You can thank prohibition for that. The $200 tax at the time was made to make it cost prohibitive as in 1934 that was a lot of money. Today though buying a $200 tax stamp to get the restrictive items is no were near as bad as spending that in 1934.

As far as uses for this shotgun. I don't really ever hunt (I would love to do the hog hunting though). I love target shooting. This thing is all about fun. I have precision rifles, match grade pistols, etc. This is just for blasting shit plain and simple. It shouldn't be hard to understand that it's not all about hunting for everyone.

 

[Tyguy]

My theory behind strong gun advocates (not referring to you, sig) is this. They stand behind the notion that their interests in weapons involve target shooting or hunting when in reality they couldn't be happier if given the legal option to blow someones head off. This doesn't apply to everyone obviously but a large percentage of gun owners cum in their pants at the idea. That's why people become cops...forget that serve and protect bullshit, they want GUNS GUNS GUNS!!!!

Anyway, nice shotgun.

 

[jverne]

Oh shut up you gun haters...go wash your vagina or something.

Guns are awesome and if you're a responsible person you'll probably wont even accidentally hurt a fly.
Most assume that if you own guns you're a serial killer. That's BS


I almost got a a chance to shoot a full auto M16 last year, but damn woman kept nagging so i had to drive her home.

 

[CptStern]

I stand by my statement that some people need killing. It's unfortunate but true. However unlikely things like rape, murder, armed battery, etc happen every day. If someone comes into my home and intends to hurt me or my family in any way then they need killing. There would be no foul in blowing their brains out point blank with this shotty.

There are times when a gun is not the answer. If someone wants to fist fight blowing their head off is obviously not an option. If they want to molest your daughter and kill your wife then it's a different story.

As far as assault weapons not all of them are restricted as this. In most states private transactions are not restricted. Meaning I could meet someone on a street corner and sell them a semi-automatic assault rifle legally with no background check etc. They just have to be a resident of the same state. There are items that have been heavily restricted since the National Firearms Act of 1934. Short barrel shotgus, short barrel rifles, suppressors, machine guns etc all fall into this category. You can thank prohibition for that. The $200 tax at the time was made to make it cost prohibitive as in 1934 that was a lot of money. Today though buying a $200 tax stamp to get the restrictive items is no were near as bad as spending that in 1934.

As far as uses for this shotgun. I don't really ever hunt (I would love to do the hog hunting though). I love target shooting. This thing is all about fun. I have precision rifles, match grade pistols, etc. This is just for blasting shit plain and simple. It shouldn't be hard to understand that it's not all about hunting for everyone.

we've been through this a dozen times. first of all you're more likely to be murdered with a firearm by someone you know rather than a stranger. for women it's the overwhelming majority.

"For the incidents in which the relationships were known, 76.8 percent of the victims knew their killers and 23.2 percent were slain by strangers."

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1635092

the murdering rapist breaking into your bedroom in the middle of the night is nowhere near as common as gun owners would have you believe. which is understandable because it suits their agenda

your gun is just as much of liability to your family's safety as it is a means of defense; moreso if you take the above point into consideration. first of all in order for a gun to be effective 100% of the time as a tool of defense it must be within reach. having it in a safe means it will take x amount of time to get it, if it's under your pillow (remember the scenario is someone breaking into your bedroom in the middle of the night) then it's also within reach of your children putting them at risk for an imaginary threat

 

[jverne]

we've been through this a dozen times. first of all you're more likely to be murdered with a firearm by someone you know rather than a stranger. for women it's the overwhelming majority.

"For the incidents in which the relationships were known, 76.8 percent of the victims knew their killers and 23.2 percent were slain by strangers."

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1635092

the murdering rapist breaking into your bedroom in the middle of the night is nowhere near as common as gun owners would have you believe. which is understandable because it suits their agenda

your gun is just as much of liability to your family's safety as it is a means of defense; moreso if you take the above point into consideration. first of all in order for a gun to be effective 100% of the time as a tool of defense it must be within reach. having it in a safe means it will take x amount of time to get it, if it's under your pillow (remember the scenario is someone breaking into your bedroom in the middle of the night) then it's also within reach of your children putting them at risk for an imaginary threat

How many break-ins happen in gun owning towns and how many in non gun owning towns, that's a statistic i'd like to see.

I bet where people own guns there are less.


IMO the worst you can do is have half the country own guns and half don't.
Either everybody has one or nobody.


edit: oh and there are fingerprint operated safes.

 

[CptStern]

How many break-ins happen in gun owning towns and how many in non gun owning towns, that's a statistic i'd like to see.

haha does that even exist?

I bet where people own guns there are less.

but wouldnt the criminals also have guns?

IMO the worst you can do is have half the country own guns and half don't.
Either everybody has one or nobody.

you could draw a line clear across america with a giant crayon


also:

list of countries by number of guns divided by number of residents:

#1 on the list: United States

Guns per 100 residents: 90

****ing iraq only has 39 and that place is a shithole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownership

 

[jverne]

haha does that even exist?



but wouldnt the criminals also have guns?




you could draw a line clear across america with a giant crayon


also:

list of countries by number of guns divided by number of residents:

#1 on the list: United States

Guns per 100 residents: 90

****ing iraq only has 39 and that place is a shithole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownership

Criminals also have guns yes, but unless they are on serious crack abstinence i don't believe they'd mess around a neighborhood known to be armed.
And in both cases they'd have guns, the difference is that if you own guns you can decide to use it or not, if you don't have any, then all you can do is pray.



oh and check this safe out, beats the hell out of the bed pillow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCrEVGsNI3Q

 

[CptStern]

I read an article that put gun ownership in households to be at about 50% of all american homes. criminals dont go door to door canvassing to try to determine who is a gun owner or not. to be on the safe side I'd just immediately shoot the occupants of the home ....or, and this is what I think most criminals do; they move on to a house that has NO occupants because regardless if it's a gun or a barking chihuahua, criminals would rather not get caught. and things like occupants being at home tend to make your job of robbing th eplace that much harder

the guns as defense in this particular scenario is just wishfullfillment mixed with a healthy dose of scaremongering


OMG WHILE I'M SLEEPING! ANAL RAPE BY SOME SCARY BLACK DUDE!!! I GOTTA BUY ME A GUN JUST IN CASE!!!!

gun manufacturing: cha-ching

 

[Danimal]

List of Armed Residence Internationally

I'm surprised Australia had even 15. I was expecting less.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

Yaaay! Another thread which makes me scared of America.

 

[CR0M]

I carry guns to have the ability to kill people if needed.

If time travel becomes possible in my lifetime I will be going back to drill holes in the bottom of the ****ing Mayflower.

 

[Vegeta897]

If time travel becomes possible in my lifetime I will be going back to drill holes in the bottom of the ****ing Mayflower.

What is it about stupid things people say that makes other people say even more stupid things?

 

[AJ Rimmer]

What is it about stupid things people say that makes other people say even more stupid things?

Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

[StarBob]

I don't believe in the necessity of guns because of my delusions of utopia.

Guns were derived from cannons, cannons were derived from mortars, mortars were created as better siege weapons, siege weapons were created because walls got too big to push over with your hands/jump over.

So... ipso facto... guns were created because of walls. TEAR DOWN ALL THE WALLS!

No but really, if you can't solve the problem with reasoning or your own physicality, it's probably not worth it. Guns don't progress humanity, they stifle it. If as much overall investment that has gone in to developing and manufacturing guns, ammunition, and their derivatives had gone in to something like medicine or general well being of life, our world would be a much better (though potentially overcrowded) place.

In my world, if there's anything worth fighting for, it would be resolved by real people fighting with their strengths and cunning... not half a mile away lobbing chunks of metal at one another. That's just me though.

Yaaay! Another thread which makes me scared of America.

You're from Sweden. A guy on codeproject from Sweden totally solved a validation issue I've been fighting for weeks... even months... so by proxy you are ok in my book of OKs.

 

[Chrash]

Well, it seems to me that guns causes a great deal of problems. And I don't see what good they do, except for hunting.

Self defence? i dont buy that.

Besides, fighting with guns is for pussys.

I carry guns to have the ability to kill people if needed.

Man up, and kill with your god damn fists!

 

[CptStern]

If time travel becomes possible in my lifetime I will be going back to drill holes in the bottom of the ****ing Mayflower.

you kind of have a point ..in a round about way ...well for one thing this whole thing could have been avoided:

because ...

The Mayflower has a famous place in American history as a symbol of early European colonization of the future US. With their religion oppressed by the English Church and government,[5] the small party of religious Puritan separatists ...

I mean another boat would have come along eventually full of passangers to the new land .. but chances are there'd be X number of Puritans less than the Mayflower had. a few more corkscrew drill holes to the bottom of a few choice boats a few hundred years ago and it could turned out like this instead:

america was a few drill holes away from being like the rest of us; unafraid of nude snow women




also, omg snow boobies!!!



also america needs to be more oppresive to the puritans/moral ninnies in america. repress them to the point that they're forced to return to england ...a few drill holes and the problem will have fixed itself for once and for all

 

[Shyam]

****ing iraq only has 39 and that place is a shithole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownership

You just know the gun nuts are going to say, "give Iraqis more guns."

 

[PvtRyan]

Two funny things in this thread:

- This goes for other gun-advocacy as well: that there is apparently a great need to 'protect your family'. Where the hell do you live? The Wild West? I'm not against responsible gun ownership, but Jesus H. Christ that rhetoric is nauseating.

- The praising of gun-advocates of the strict rules governing the ownership of these weapons. You know.. gun control.

You guys are missing the point. It would be good to kill hogs to exinction in North America. It is a non-native species. It was introduced when Columbus sailed here. It all started from 8 hogs released in the wild.

Varmint hunting has no magazine restriction. Killing of these animals is encouraged to rid the habitat of them. Examples are prarie dogs, coyotes, pigs, and other vermin. You guys have no clue about hunting really. Just what you read in Field and Stream. These animals are considered pests and are overpopulated which causes strain on native animals.

You can pretend you're a noble wildlife protector all you want, it changes nothing about the creepy fact you apparently enjoy killing these animals.

 

[Tyguy]

You can pretend you're a noble wildlife protector all you want, it changes nothing about the creepy fact you apparently enjoy killing these animals.

This cubed.

 

[<RJMC>]

stern in kind of right whit the thing of roberies in house happening while the owners are out,a gun is not usefull there unless is a sentry a la team fortress

however the fact that anyone can have a gun sure may work as "deterrence" for the criminals

in my country gangster get theyr "power" cus of theyr guns,they know the people they will rob will not have one so it make things easier for them,its like a culture of showing the pistol and such
also since is so easy for them to get them is very posible for them to have them and there is tons of cases when just by a single insult someone shooted someone else

I remenber once when I taked a cab a friend of the driver was in and the driver asked him how he could get a semiautomatic cuz he said things like a days ago a woman tried to stab him in the cab and such

I dont know how guns laws are in my country but are not like the usa also is worse for the one who get the gun legally
for example I think if you shoot someone in the back is not considered self defense and you are the one who go to jail

my dad has a gun and yes is for self defense cuz venezuela is not the nordic country whit zero crimes you may expect,and I saw him using it once when some suspicious persons went into a empty house next to hours and all the neighbours grabed stick and such and my dad make 2 shots to the air

so my point is that there is nothing wrong on having a gun for defense since it atleast make you feel safer cuz if you have no gun against someone whit a gun it may be worse

here in spain there was a case of a man owner of a bar that was about to get robbed and he picked up his shootgun and killed one of the robbers who leaved inmediatly,how it would have ended if he didnt have the gun,also he was robbed previous times before

so I am not a nra gun hoo but you cant deny that people have guns for that reason

though the effects of it sure may not be that good cuz also make it easier for criminals to have them so it kind of makes things worse and into a wild west situation
but if guns where banned at all them it would be exchanged for blades,and the criminals would still get them ilegally

after all guns are tools

however I dont see the need to have a barret,I dont think robers will storm your house whit a armored escalade
and as I said before that will make more easy for the criminals to get those cuz even if it have stuff like mental test and check for criminal backgrounds,what if the criminal dont have those,he can get them more easily isnt?

also this whole IMO thing is more about attacking something that the extreme right likes instead of a logic proposition

in my country chavez wants practically everyone to be in the army to have "the people in weapons" which dont sound that diferent from the "right to bear arms" and I dont see the anti-guns people bitching about that

 

[Mr. Djees]

"Guns don't kill, people do" is actually a lot truer than most of you probably think.

Social factors such as poverty, education and general gun culture play an enormous role in determining murder rates, number of violent crimes etc.
This is why nations with almost no guns in private ownership can have high murder rates (Russia, Luxembourg) and countries with a high firearms density can have low murder rates (Finland, Norway, Canada, Switzerland).

I do believe in gun control though, keep everything registered and try to weed out the crazies.

 

[FrostedxB]

I do find that video interesting and for the most part I find his answers quite logical and I guess... okay.

But that doesn't mean people who don't have criminal records and own guns won't commit crimes of passion because they have a gun. I never know when some dude with a concealed carry license will act illogically and irrationally and kill me or people near me or someone I love.

Take this as an example.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/HPD-...n-head-while-riding-in-moms-car-86336722.html

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6896633.html


It's not a case of "criminals going to kill you anyway, no matter what they have."

It's a case of a guy without a criminal record, who for most of his life acted responsibility with his weapons... but then for some reason he acted out of some sort of anger and realized he had a weapon he could use to reach out and show that person his anger. Instead of fists being thrown, or angry words, it's a hail of gunfire.

Sure not every single person in the world will always do the right thing, but the point I wanted to make with that video was that, just because a few good people lose control of their emotions doesn't mean guns should be banned and people who own them be thrown in prison/an asylum. And to whoever told me to **** off, you completely missed the point. Obviously a shotgun isn't concealable. The people who say guns are a useless waste and that having firearm target shooting or just owning them is a waste really needs to think outside the box.

People here waste money on buying PC parts and video games, devoting hours to beating games and hundreds to make 'em look pretty. That is also a pretty big waste of money IMO. Hobbies tend to be more of a waste, giving mainly personal enjoyment.

I like that video because it puts Anti-gun control into a logical and understandable perspective when most people think of weapons as brutal killing machines designed for nothing more then killing innocent people.

 

[SIGbastard]

Stern those statistics about guns being used against you in your home are flawed at best.

Lots of grabbing for straws here. There's also lots of people using a broad stroke in their judgment.

I don't dream about or want to kill anyone. It's just good to be able to protect one self and one's family. I don't live in a bad area. The town I work at was at one time the meth capital of the US (not any more). It is a nice town though but there are lots of meth heads and druggies. There is far more nice and friendly people around but you gotta pay attention. The klan is actually still alive in this area. Kind of crazy. I would never have known but I've had several locals talk about how terrible it is. My assistant told me her son knew another kid at school who was fitted for his klan robe (not at school). That right there shows there is an evil in this area I didn't even know about.

The kind of pussification alot of you guys exhibit is actually the type of behavior that supports violent behavior. It enables predators.

I don't really hunt but I have nothing against it. I would love to go prairie dog hunting or hog hunting but mostly I love shooting and marksmanship. I have some guns for pure fun and enjoyment and the shotty is one of many.

 

[kineaesth]

The kind of pussification alot of you guys exhibit is actually the type of behavior that supports violent behavior. It enables predators.

You realise that you just said "you guys are pussies, your argument is invalid".

 

[MFL]

If I could reduce this down to a simple decision between two choices, it would be a question of whether or not I am heavily armed. If I ignore all societal obligations, as I frequently do when it comes to matters of personal protection, I would honestly say that I would choose to be heavily armed, as the other choice has no positive elements. Any other considerations would be based upon the trust that I would put into the belief that if I adjust my behavior in this matter, everyone else in the system would also do so. I would love for this idealism, this mindset of mutual disarmament, to pervade the population, but as of this time it is not even close to being realized. Until such time, it is better to be cautious.