I just saw farenheit 9/11

Wow, if thats your whole argument stern... Really doesnt bring much to a debate at all.
 
on my worst day I can debate circles around you and you know it.
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Great spirits always encounter insulting, immature opposition from mediocre minds.

- Seinfeldrules
 
you a great spirit? come on that's laughable ..even you must admit that there's not a shred of spirituality (not in a religious sense) in you ..no enlightenment, no respect for life, no respect for truth
 
you a great spirit? come on that's laughable ..even you must admit that there's not a shred of spirituality (not in a religious sense) in you ..no enlightenment, no respect for life, no respect for truth
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Great spirits always encounter immature, insulting opposition from mediocre minds.

- Seinfeldrules
 
you a great spirit? come on that's laughable ..even you must admit that there's not a shred of spirituality (not in a religious sense) in you ..no enlightenment, no respect for life, no respect for truth
 
I still don't see why people don't understand that its these wars against countries in this 'war on terror' that create more terrorists look at the figures the american government published (the second set, not the first that lied to you and said terrorism had gone down).

And if you think some day soon they will start going down I'd have to question that. Do you really think its possible to erradicate an entire line of thinking from the planet? One that lies in almost every country in the world. And let's say Barry is a terrorist in Iran, his friend Jim isn't, nor is Jim's wife. America invade Iran, and during an artillery shelling Barry and Jim's wife are killed. I'd find it perfectly possible that now Jim f*cking hates the US and would be willing to take up 'terrorism' or 'opposition to invasion'. All you're doing is making a greater, more active threat.

Rather than using a system of war that clearly does not help, why not try negotiation? OK, it doesn't always work perfect, if at all. But exactly how is this war on terror working now? The number of attacks will only start going down if the invasions, killing and inability to listen stops.
 
Radical Islamic fundamentalist beliefs (aka terrorist beliefs to the USA) can never be defeated through the use of brute force. For every one you kill, another will pop up. It needs to be defeated ideologically.
 
Blowing up countries with these people in does the opposite effect hoped for.

Why doesn't anybody see this? And if you know of a way that destroying lives somehow reduces 'terrorism' I'd be very interested in seeing it.
 
so um can anyone summarize wtf is going on in this topic? im too lazy to read all 17 pages.
i read about up to page 2 then thats it.

from what im guessing this topic came from "f911 your thoughts?" to "anti bush/american/whatever topic"
 
you're better off reading all 17 pages to get a better understanding of the issues
 
you a great spirit? come on that's laughable ..even you must admit that there's not a shred of spirituality (not in a religious sense) in you ..no enlightenment, no respect for life, no respect for truth
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Hubris- Overbearing pride or presumption; arrogance: "I am the best debator" (CptStern).
 
seinfeldrules said:
Hubris- Overbearing pride or presumption; arrogance: "I am the best debator" (CptStern).
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Says a man who referred to himself as a "great spirit". :|
 
seinfeldrules said:
Look in stern's signature. You should be able to uncover the irony I was portraying.
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Ah. I see now. Mistake on my part.
 
seinfeldrules said:
Look in stern's signature. You should be able to uncover the irony I was portraying.
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haha i know huh, he even quoted you. hehe. stern was too caught up trying to deface you that he didnt notice you used his own signature quote against him. :thumbs:
 
haha i know huh, he even quoted you. hehe. stern was too caught up trying to deface you that he didnt notice you used his own signature quote against him.
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Yeap, I really dont have a problem with civily debating people with opposite viewpoints, seems the same doesnt work both ways. :( .
 
CptStern vs seinfeldrules

In a steel cage match. :D You two dominate these forums, it's scary how much you guys actually fight. :LOL:
 
burner69 said:
Blowing up countries with these people in does the opposite effect hoped for.

Why doesn't anybody see this? And if you know of a way that destroying lives somehow reduces 'terrorism' I'd be very interested in seeing it.
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Can we continue the debate?
 
Blowing up countries with these people in does the opposite effect hoped for.
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We blew up their training grounds. Providing freedom to these people will sway more than we lose. It may not seem this way yet, but that is because the process is far from over.
 
seinfeldrules said:
We blew up their training grounds. Providing freedom to these people will sway more than we lose. It may not seem this way yet, but that is because the process is far from over.
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So the increased agression and numbers of terrorists will just subside all of a sudden? They'll only stop when you stop bombing - for most of them that's the reason they fight.

And while you're destroying one training ground another is springing up in a neighbouring country, made by people who dispise you for killing thousands of their neighbours innocent civilians.

And many poorer countries NEED strong, nay, extreme religious views for the country to work. They need to believe in strict discipline and rules because the government can't afford to properly enforce it - that's why when someone does break the law the punishments are extremely harsh. This said, I do not like it, and this does not involve the mass genocide of some dictators, that is a seperate, evil, issue.

Many poor countries can't function without these extreme religious laws, and 'freeing' them may be worse for them. Also, we seem to be 'freeing' them then buggering off, allowing terrorists and extremists to move in and take over again; see Afghanistan.

As regards your final comment; I can't agree or disagree with it, we'll have to see. But surely its common sense to cease the bombing, if its drawing out more terrorists now, why should it be any different in twenty years time, as a new generation of people come of age knowing America as the bastards who killed their mother and destroyed their home.
 
KagePrototype said:
CptStern vs seinfeldrules

In a steel cage match. :D You two dominate these forums, it's scary how much you guys actually fight. :LOL:
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it's cuz we're diametrically opposed ...well that and Seinfeldrules looks hot in a speedo :eek:
 
Ooo.

I have a gropu assignment in History class tomorrow where we are going to have a discussion thing with the class about Michael moore's impact on the world/media and how the media views him and his oppinions. Everyone has to have the same presentation about something. (Michael Moore being the thing my group chose).
 
no, some idiots see bush as an idiot, mind you those are all the wasps. but for some reason all the immagrants are all republican, and they all have had european schooling, hmmmm.
 
Just like your emigrants are democrats and had American schooling.

What's your point?
 
If you even remotely use Farenheit 9/11 as evidence for ANY discussion purposes and/or arguments, you're a f*u*c*k*i*n*g moron.

Take this from a fairly neutral canadian. You can't have a fair opinion of Bush, or Kerry for that matter, if all you did was watch F 9/11. Come to think of it, you're not permitted an opinion at ALL if you watched it.
 
now who would be stupid enough to formulate their opinion based on one movie? There are literally thousands (if not millions) of resources surrounding this war, do the research.
 
most anti-iraq war supporters are very well educated around the issues, we dont need Moore to validate our beliefs. Besides, I favour Noam Chomsky over Moore
 
I don't even bring up the Iraq issue anymore because the morons always come back to "Farenshit 9/11".
 
firemachine69 said:
I don't even bring up the Iraq issue anymore because the morons always come back to "Farenshit 9/11".
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there's far more compelling evidence than F11, it's so overwhelmingly abundant that you literally cant avoid it.



edit: dear god I just passed the 5000 post mark, will someone please turn that damn thing off
 
firemachine69 said:
I don't even bring up the Iraq issue anymore because the morons always come back to "Farenshit 9/11".
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Where have you been for the last 19 pages?
 
MadHatter said:
Moore is very good when it comes to engineering and creating 'documentaries'. He's very clever and skilled at making things SEEM like they are the truth, when in fact they are not the truth
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how do you know that it isn't the truth then??
 
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