IDF warns UN troops will be attacked if they repair bridges

[No Limit]

Lebanese officials said there were many reports of other casualties throughout southern Lebanon but rescue workers were not able to reach the sites because of continued Israeli airstrikes. Israel also threatened to attack UN peacekeepers if they attempted to repair bomb-damaged bridges in southern Lebanon. UN officials contacted the Israeli army to inform them that a team of Chinese military engineers attached to the UN force in Lebanon intended to repair the bridge on the Beirut to Tyre road to enable the transport of humanitarian supplies.

According to the UN, Israeli officials said the engineers would become a target if they attempted to repair the bridge.

Senior UN officials reacted angrily to the destruction of a temporary causeway over the Litani river overnight. "We must be able to have movement throughout the country to deliver supplies. At this point we can't do that," said David Shearer, the humanitarian coordinator for Lebanon. "The deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure is a violation of international law."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/story/0,,1839443,00.html

I don't care how you cut it, Israel is a terrorist state. This is done delibertely to not allow supplies to get to people who need them. This is not a war on hezbollah, this is a war on Lebanese civillians.

 

[$kelet0r]

eh roads are vital for Hezbollah to get supplies
no roads - no rockets
war sucks

 

[Tr0n]

Roads are also vital for lebanese civilians to get the supplies they need.

Things aren't so black and white, now are they?

Also yes war sucks, but so do you.

 

[$kelet0r]

:O
you understand I am merely explaining the logic of it - military objectives > civilians during war
No need to personally attack me, that was totally uncalled for

 

[No Limit]

With all due respect you really aren't explaining anything. Hezbollah moving in the northern part of the country has no effect on Israel as rockets from that far north can't reach Israel. This is a deliberate move to kill civillians. And calling this a war is like calling Hitler's extermination of the Jews a war.

 

[VictimOfScience]

War should be a violation of international law.

And as such, why is the world not doing anything to stop this???

 

[Tr0n]

:O
you understand I am merely explaining the logic of it - military objectives > civilians during war
No need to personally attack me, that was totally uncalled for

Tell that to the 643 innocent lebanese civilians killed. Also there is no logic to it, due to the war being illogical in the first place.

War should be a violation of international law.

And as such, why is the world not doing anything to stop this???

Politics. Welcome to the human race.

 

[VictimOfScience]

Politics. Welcome to the human race.

Yeah it stinks. Now Israel is even going so far as to say "All cars and of any type will be shelled if seen moving south of the Litani River because it will be considered a suspect of transferring rockets, military ammunitions and those causing destruction."
Source.

This has gotten so far out of hand that I can't imagine what it will take to ease the tensions.

 

[$kelet0r]

[Deleted]

 

[Ome_Vince]

Perhaps part of these targets wouldnt be targets if weapons werent transported in civilian cars and for instance hospitals didnt function as a weapons storage
Aparantly: Guerilla warfare ftw!

Yet yeah, lets stick to the "terrorist state trying to deliberatly massacre civilians" => that makes more sense.

 

[Raxxman]

Yeah its a media war.

War is hell, and don't kid yourself, if the people responsible for 9/11 were holding up in Lebanon the US would be doing exactly the same, just with bigger guns.

It's not black and white, Lebanonise are not purely innocent victims here.

 

[No Limit]

Perhaps part of these targets wouldnt be targets if weapons werent transported in civilian cars and for instance hospitals didnt function as a weapons storage
Aparantly: Guerilla warfare ftw!

Yet yeah, lets stick to the "terrorist state trying to deliberatly massacre civilians" => that makes more sense.

Did you read what I actually posted. Lets just pretend these are truly Israel's intentions (they aren't). How does hezbollah transporting rockets in towns far north of the Israel's border affect Israel? These rockets will never reach them. Please, explain that to me.

 

[No Limit]

It's not black and white, Lebanonise are not purely innocent victims here.

yeah, the hundreds of children killed in this have blood on their hands. :flame:

 

[Icarusintel]

And as such, why is the world not doing anything to stop this???

Because the world got all politically correct and too chickenshit to do anything.

I think the UN should be happy Israel is even warning them. I'm surprised they did even that.

The sad thing is most of this could've been prevented if politicians grew some balls.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Did you read what I actually posted. Lets just pretend these are truly Israel's intentions (they aren't). How does hezbollah transporting rockets in towns far north of the Israel's border affect Israel? These rockets will never reach them. Please, explain that to me.

lol, uhm maybe because Israel wants to end Hezbollahs armed factions especially the ones with a rocket threat, to avoid history repeating itself: UN calls for a resolution, Israel withdraws and Hezbollah militants get their nicely stashed rockets up north back to the south, and continue happily to shell Israel.

But yes, your right, random terror aimed specifically to hurt as many civilians as possible makes so much more sense.

 

[Baserape>]

I can't see the point in bombing roads, bridges to stop hezbollah bringing rockets into Lebanon as they don't need roads..they use a network of tunnels.

 

[Arrowhead]

It's not black and white, Lebanonise are not purely innocent victims here.

people like you should be banned from voting.

 

[No Limit]

lol, uhm maybe because Israel wants to end Hezbollahs armed factions especially the ones with a rocket threat, to avoid history repeating itself: UN calls for a resolution, Israel withdraws and Hezbollah militants get their nicely stashed rockets up north back to the south, and continue happily to shell Israel.

So you are set on the notion that if Israel agrees to the terms of lebanon Hezbollah will not stop the attacks? They already proved you wrong when the 48 hour cease fire took place. You are forgeting that hezbollah is very politically aware. They already won the war, what happens after this doesn't really matter.

Now, did you get any evidance that Israel's intentions with every target they bombed has been to destroy hezbollah? The fact is I have not gotten any, not even when they killed over 30 children. So you just want to take their word for it?

 

[Ome_Vince]

So you are set on the notion that if Israel agrees to the terms of lebanon Hezbollah will not stop the attacks?

They havent done it in the past, why would they now?
Read their goals, and when they say they will stop fighting Israel.

They already proved you wrong when the 48 hour cease fire took place. You are forgeting that hezbollah is very politically aware. They already won the war, what happens after this doesn't really matter.

Yes, because we're then in the eye of the storm waiting for another crisis, like the previous 2.
A 48 hour cease-fire proves me wrong that Hezbollah would stop its attacks after a UN resolution for Israel to pull-back?
What makes you think Hezbollah will listen to this resolution when they have repeatedly pissed over it and others in the past.
Had they complied with the last one, 1559, this crisis wouldnt be here.

Now, did you get any evidance that Israel's intentions with every target they bombed has been to destroy hezbollah? The fact is I have not gotten any, not even when they killed over 30 children. So you just want to take their word for it?

You want me to prove every target Israel hits was a legitimate target?
I cant do that, you're making a statement, so the burden is on you to prove it was on purpose.
Your argument doesnt make sense, because i cant prove every attack isnt intentionally killing civilians, => therefor they are intentionally killing civilians.

Until i hear some good argumentation, backed with proof and a motive, this is no more than thin-air accusations.

 

[Black_Wolf]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/story/0,,1839443,00.html

I don't care how you cut it, Israel is a terrorist state. This is done delibertely to not allow supplies to get to people who need them. This is not a war on hezbollah, this is a war on Lebanese civillians.

agreed,This IS collective punishment.not just a IDF op.
I wonder how long it will take until people notice that for the sake of Israel,we went to Iraq,and now they are pushing us to go to Iran.

 

[Korgoth]

T
You want me to prove every target Israel hits was a legitimate target?
I cant do that, you're making a statement, so the burden is on you to prove it was on purpose.
Your argument doesnt make sense, because i cant prove every attack isnt intentionally killing civilians, => therefor they are intentionally killing civilians.

Until i hear some good argumentation, backed with proof and a motive, this is no more than thin-air accusations.

Umm this should be enough for you? A little history on how much Israel cares about the innocent people there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

 

[Baserape>]

Why is resolution 1559 so important? What is in it for Israel to claim the moral high ground this time?

If 1559 is so important why arn't these resolutions equally important?

Resolution 106: condemns Israel for Gaza raid.

Resolution 111: condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people.

Resolution 127: recommends Israel suspend its no-man's zone' in Jerusalem.

Resolution 162: urges Israel to comply with UN decisions.

Resolution 171: determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack on Syria.

Resolution 194: Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.

Resolution 228: censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control.

Resolution 237: urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.

Resolution 242: Calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied in the war that year and "the acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."

Resolution 248: condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.

Resolution 250: calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.

Resolution 251: deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250.

Resolution 252: Urgently calls upon Israel to rescind measures that change the legal status of Jerusalem, including the expropriation of land and properties thereon.

Resolution 256: condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation.

Resolution 259: deplores Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.

Resolution 262: Calls upon Israel to pay compensation to Lebanon for destruction of airliners at Beirut International Airport.

Resolution 265: condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan.

Resolution 267: Urgently calls upon Israel to rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem.

Resolution 270: condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon.

Resolution 271: Reiterates calls to rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem and calls on Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying powers.

Resolution 279: demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.

Resolution 280: condemns Israeli's attacks against Lebanon.

Resolution 285: demands immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.

Resolution 298: Reiterates demand that Israel rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem.

Resolution 313: demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.

Resolution 316: condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.

Resolution 317: deplores Israel's refusal to release.

Resolution 332: condemns Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.

Resolution 337: condemns Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.

Resolution 347: condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon.

Resolution 425: calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

Resolution 427: calls on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.

Resolution 444: deplores Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces.

Resolution 446: Calls upon Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying powers, to rescind previous measures that violate these relevant provisions, and "in particular, not to transport parts of its civilian population into the occupied Arab territories."

Resolution 450: calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.

Resolution 452: Calls on the government of Israel to cease, on an urgent basis, the establishment, construction, and planning of settlements in the Arab territories, occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem.

Resolution 465: Reiterates previous resolutions on Israel's settlements policy.

Resolution 467: strongly deplores Israel's military intervention in Lebanon.

Resolution 468: calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return.

Resolution 469: strongly deplores Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians.

Resolution 471: Demands prosecution of those involved in assassination attempts of West Bank leaders and compensation for damages; reiterates demands to abide by Fourth Geneva Convention.

Resolution 476: reiterates that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are null and void.

Resolution 478: censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim to Jerusalem in its Basic Law.

Resolution 484: Reiterates request that Israel abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Resolution 487: Calls upon Israel to place its nuclear facilities under the safeguard of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency.

Resolution 497: Demands that Israel rescind its decision to impose its domestic laws in the occupied Syrian Golan region.

Resolution 498: calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.

Resolution 501: calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.

Resolution 509: demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon.

Resolution 515: demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in.

Resolution 517: censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

Resolution 518: demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.

Resolution 520: condemns Israel's attack into West Beirut.

Resolution 573: Calls on Israel to pay compensation for human and material losses from its attack against Tunisia and to refrain from all such attacks or threats of attacks against other nations.

Resolution 587: takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw.

Resolution 592: Insists Israel abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories.

Resolution 605: Calls once more upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide immediately and scrupulously by the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Times of War, and to desist forthwith from its policies and practices that are in violations of the provisions of the Convention.

Resolution 607: Reiterates calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and to cease its practice of deportations from occupied Arab territories.

Resolution 608: Reiterates call for Israel to cease its deportations.

Resolution 636: Reiterates call for Israel to cease its deportations.

Resolution 641: Reiterates previous resolutions calling on Israel to desist in its deportations.

Resolution 672: Reiterates calls for Israel to abide by provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab territories.

Resolution 673: Insists that Israel come into compliance with resolution 672.

Resolution 681: Reiterates call on Israel to abide by Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab territories.

Resolution 694: deplores Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.

Resolution 726: Reiterates calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and to cease its practice of deportations from occupied Arab territories.

Resolution 799: Reaffirms applicability of Fourth Geneva Convention…to all Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem, and affirms that deportation of civilians constitutes a contravention of its obligations under the Convention.

Resolution 904: Calls upon Israel, as the occupying power, "to take and implement measures, inter alia, confiscation of arms, with the aim of preventing illegal acts of violence by settlers."

Resolution 1073: Calls on the safety and security of Palestinian civilians to be ensured.

Resolution 1322: Calls upon Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying power.

Resolution 1397: Affirms "a vision of a region where two states, Israel and Palestine, live side by side within secure and recognized borders."

Resolution 1402: Calls for Israel to withdraw from Palestinian cities.

Resolution 1403: Demands that Israel go through with "the implementation of its resolution 1402, without delay."

Resolution 1405: Calls for UN inspectors to investigate civilian deaths during an Israeli assault on the Jenin refugee camp.

Resolution 1435: Calls on Israel to withdraw to positions of September 2000 and end its military activities in and around Ramallah, including the destruction of security and civilian infrastructure.

Resolution 3236: Affirms "the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine...to self-determination without external interference" and "to national independence and sovereignty."

 

[Korgoth]

READ HIS POST

Exactly! *thumbs up*

 

[No Limit]

They havent done it in the past, why would they now?
Read their goals, and when they say they will stop fighting Israel.

Their goal is to get Israel out of lebanon COMPLETELY.

Yes, because we're then in the eye of the storm waiting for another crisis, like the previous 2.
A 48 hour cease-fire proves me wrong that Hezbollah would stop its attacks after a UN resolution for Israel to pull-back?
What makes you think Hezbollah will listen to this resolution when they have repeatedly pissed over it and others in the past.
Had they complied with the last one, 1559, this crisis wouldnt be here.

This has nothing to do with this resolution nor any other resolution. The lebanese goverment themselves rejected this resolution. This is about getting Israel out of Lebanon fully.

You want me to prove every target Israel hits was a legitimate target?

No, I want israel to prove it. This woould be easy for them, they have pictures of every target before it was bombed. They will not release these pictures yet for some reason you believe they are doing this in the name of fighting terrorism. So if I kill someone and say it was in the name of self defense but destroy all the evidance proving that would you still believe me?

I cant do that, you're making a statement, so the burden is on you to prove it was on purpose.

No, as I stated above the burden of proof is on israel. And they have the proof, they just don't want to release it as it would show this has nothing to do with terrorism.

Until i hear some good argumentation, backed with proof and a motive, this is no more than thin-air accusations.

It boils down to not being so ****ing gullible for political reasons that you may have. If Israel bombs buildings full of children and their mothers and refuses to release any documents as to why they did it common sense tells you they were in the wrong.

 

[HunterSeeker]

I wonder why israel decides to kill everycar trying to leave/enter Lebanon instead of setting up checkpoints and search every vehicle throughly?

 

[Ome_Vince]

@Innervision961
Committed by Lebanese Christians, with Israel accuses of "should have known this was going to happen".
Hows this event during the Lebanese civil war (committed by the Lebanese) connected to the accusations that Israel is whiping out Lebanese civilians on purpose?

@Baserape
This is not a pissing contest on who is the most loyal to resolutions.
This conflict could have been avoided had resolution 1559 gone through. Hezbollah would have disarmed and not pulled its country into war.

Their goal is to get Israel out of lebanon COMPLETELY.

First of all, its not. They interfere and destroy peace attempts between Israel-Palestine, and wish the destruction of the state of Israel.
We're lead to believe that debated 35km the UN says belongs to Syria is the "last of their wishes".

According to Nasrallah himself:
-"There is no solution to the conflict in this region except with the disappearance of Israel."

-"if they [Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."

-"It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on earth."

-"I am against any reconciliation with Israel. I do not even recognize the presence of a state that is called "Israel." I consider its presence both unjust and unlawful. That is why if Lebanon concludes a peace agreement with Israel and brings that accord to the Parliament our deputies will reject it; Hezbollah refuses any conciliation with Israel in principle."

I dont blame the Israeli's for "not believing that" when it hasnt gone through the last 2 times, and these kind of statements and vows are being made by the leaders.

This has nothing to do with this resolution nor any other resolution. The lebanese goverment themselves rejected this resolution. This is about getting Israel out of Lebanon fully.

In short: this is about the debated 35km farms we discussed earlier. Hence your remark "fully".
This has everything to do with the resolution, since it would have directly avoided this conflict.

No, I want israel to prove it. This woould be easy for them, they have pictures of every target before it was bombed. They will not release these pictures yet for some reason you believe they are doing this in the name of fighting terrorism. So if I kill someone and say it was in the name of self defense but destroy all the evidance proving that would you still believe me?
No, as I stated above the burden of proof is on israel. And they have the proof, they just don't want to release it as it would show this has nothing to do with terrorism.

I'm not talking about Israel's responsibilities internationally, i'm talking about your statements.
If you make a statement, or imply something, the burdon is on you to prove it.

It boils down to not being so ****ing gullible for political reasons that you may have. If Israel bombs buildings full of children and their mothers and refuses to release any documents as to why they did it common sense tells you they were in the wrong.

FFS which country has ever released strategical documentation before the conflict was over? Even then, its hard to get it out.
Dutchbed was stationed in Kosovo, and 8000 muslims got slaughtered because they chickened out.
many years later the documentation emerged, and trials were held.
That attack was not a: "sir we found some kids, lets throw a bomb on them" it could be a human error, like so common in wartime, or it could indeed be some dipshit ****ing it up, i have no idea, but you cant spin conspiracy stories around fully out of context, blaming Israel for not playing "open war" in which people can read every strategy and photograph on CNN.

A CNN reporter said something interesting yesterday when being asked about Israeli censorship:
"usually its nothing unreasonable, more like not filming the impact location of a rocket, which would help the people who are firing them"

Point being, sometimes things are kept under the wraps for strategical reasons, not for "evil teh pwn" reasons, and will/can/should be demanded after the conflict.
After the conflict, ill fully support you in your claim Israel should release strategical pictures of its bombardment.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Why is resolution 1559 so important? What is in it for Israel to claim the moral high ground this time?

If 1559 is so important why arn't these resolutions equally important?

Resolution 106: condemns Israel for Gaza raid.

Resolution 111: condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people.

Resolution 127: recommends Israel suspend its no-man's zone' in Jerusalem.

Resolution 162: urges Israel to comply with UN decisions.

Resolution 171: determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack on Syria.

Resolution 194: Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.

Resolution 228: censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control.

Resolution 237: urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.

Resolution 242: Calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied in the war that year and "the acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."

Resolution 248: condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.

Resolution 250: calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.

Resolution 251: deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250.

Resolution 252: Urgently calls upon Israel to rescind measures that change the legal status of Jerusalem, including the expropriation of land and properties thereon.

Resolution 256: condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation.

Resolution 259: deplores Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.

Resolution 262: Calls upon Israel to pay compensation to Lebanon for destruction of airliners at Beirut International Airport.

Resolution 265: condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan.

Resolution 267: Urgently calls upon Israel to rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem.

Resolution 270: condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon.

Resolution 271: Reiterates calls to rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem and calls on Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying powers.

Resolution 279: demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.

Resolution 280: condemns Israeli's attacks against Lebanon.

Resolution 285: demands immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.

Resolution 298: Reiterates demand that Israel rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem.

Resolution 313: demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.

Resolution 316: condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.

Resolution 317: deplores Israel's refusal to release.

Resolution 332: condemns Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.

Resolution 337: condemns Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.

Resolution 347: condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon.

Resolution 425: calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

Resolution 427: calls on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.

Resolution 444: deplores Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces.

Resolution 446: Calls upon Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying powers, to rescind previous measures that violate these relevant provisions, and "in particular, not to transport parts of its civilian population into the occupied Arab territories."

Resolution 450: calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.

Resolution 452: Calls on the government of Israel to cease, on an urgent basis, the establishment, construction, and planning of settlements in the Arab territories, occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem.

Resolution 465: Reiterates previous resolutions on Israel's settlements policy.

Resolution 467: strongly deplores Israel's military intervention in Lebanon.

Resolution 468: calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return.

Resolution 469: strongly deplores Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians.

Resolution 471: Demands prosecution of those involved in assassination attempts of West Bank leaders and compensation for damages; reiterates demands to abide by Fourth Geneva Convention.

Resolution 476: reiterates that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are null and void.

Resolution 478: censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim to Jerusalem in its Basic Law.

Resolution 484: Reiterates request that Israel abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Resolution 487: Calls upon Israel to place its nuclear facilities under the safeguard of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency.

Resolution 497: Demands that Israel rescind its decision to impose its domestic laws in the occupied Syrian Golan region.

Resolution 498: calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.

Resolution 501: calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.

Resolution 509: demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon.

Resolution 515: demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in.

Resolution 517: censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

Resolution 518: demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.

Resolution 520: condemns Israel's attack into West Beirut.

Resolution 573: Calls on Israel to pay compensation for human and material losses from its attack against Tunisia and to refrain from all such attacks or threats of attacks against other nations.

Resolution 587: takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw.

Resolution 592: Insists Israel abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories.

Resolution 605: Calls once more upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide immediately and scrupulously by the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Times of War, and to desist forthwith from its policies and practices that are in violations of the provisions of the Convention.

Resolution 607: Reiterates calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and to cease its practice of deportations from occupied Arab territories.

Resolution 608: Reiterates call for Israel to cease its deportations.

Resolution 636: Reiterates call for Israel to cease its deportations.

Resolution 641: Reiterates previous resolutions calling on Israel to desist in its deportations.

Resolution 672: Reiterates calls for Israel to abide by provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab territories.

Resolution 673: Insists that Israel come into compliance with resolution 672.

Resolution 681: Reiterates call on Israel to abide by Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab territories.

Resolution 694: deplores Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.

Resolution 726: Reiterates calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and to cease its practice of deportations from occupied Arab territories.

Resolution 799: Reaffirms applicability of Fourth Geneva Convention…to all Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem, and affirms that deportation of civilians constitutes a contravention of its obligations under the Convention.

Resolution 904: Calls upon Israel, as the occupying power, "to take and implement measures, inter alia, confiscation of arms, with the aim of preventing illegal acts of violence by settlers."

Resolution 1073: Calls on the safety and security of Palestinian civilians to be ensured.

Resolution 1322: Calls upon Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying power.

Resolution 1397: Affirms "a vision of a region where two states, Israel and Palestine, live side by side within secure and recognized borders."

Resolution 1402: Calls for Israel to withdraw from Palestinian cities.

Resolution 1403: Demands that Israel go through with "the implementation of its resolution 1402, without delay."

Resolution 1405: Calls for UN inspectors to investigate civilian deaths during an Israeli assault on the Jenin refugee camp.

Resolution 1435: Calls on Israel to withdraw to positions of September 2000 and end its military activities in and around Ramallah, including the destruction of security and civilian infrastructure.

Resolution 3236: Affirms "the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine...to self-determination without external interference" and "to national independence and sovereignty."

ZIP ZAP, y'all got SLAPPED.

 

[Tr0n]

Bitch slapped.

 

[Icarusintel]

Way too f*cking long

So, what does this tell us about the current situation? That UN Resolutions don;t mean shit because they don;t do anything to enforce them, and that Israel couldn;t care less what they have to say.

 

[theotherguy]

The UN wont directley intervene because they fear another world war. That was the purpose of the UN anyway, to prevent another world war, but seriously, we need to do something about this.

 

[No Limit]

Ome_Vince the problem you have, like most other westerners do is the fact that the arab world does not see Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. There are people in Israel and all other parts of the world that agree with that. Do you know why Hezbollah was founded? To stop the Israel occupation of Lebanon, it was not founded to destroy israel. You, as a westerner, also don't realize that most in the arab world do not recognize israel's right to exist, hezbollah is not the only one that believes that. What you are doing is just looking at the last month of the conflict saying Israel has a right to defend itself; you are completely ignoring the 25 years of history in that region.

You quote Nasrallah as saying he wants Israel destroyed, yes alot of countries and groups in Israel want that. However, in the same statement he made that quote he also said outside of Lebanon, Hezbollah will act only in a defensive manner towards Israeli forces, and that Hezbollah's missiles were acquired to deter attacks on Lebanon. The group dennouces attacks primarly on civillians and as you will see they killed proportionally more Israeli soldiers than israeli civillians than israel killed hezbollah vs lebanese civillians. They denounce Al Queda and did not support the attacks on the world trade centers.

And again on the Shebaa Farms you are completely ignoring the fact that Syria, who holds rights to the land (according to the UN) says it belongs to lebanon. Where in that do you see it as a justification to have Israel occupy it? Israel has no right to ownership of that land, yet they refuse to withdraw from it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebaa_Farms

The maps of the 1949 Armistice Agreements between Syria and Israel designated the area as Syrian.

Border disputes arose frequently. Starting in the late 1950s and ending in 1964, Syria and Lebanon formed a joint council to determine a proper border between the two nations. Shebaa Farms was not unique, as several other border villages had similar discrepancies of borders versus land ownership. In 1964 the joint Lebanese-Syrian border committee suggested to their governments that the Shebaa Farms area be deemed the property of Lebanon, and recommended that the international border be reestablished consistent with its suggestion.

and

Syria has supported Lebanon's claim that the Shebaa Farms are part of Lebanon and not Syrian territory at the United Nations and in offical goverment press releases.

On May 16, 2000, the Syrian Foreign Minister, Farouq al-Shara, indicated to Annan in a telephone conversation that the Syrian Arab Republic supported Lebanon's claim.[21] This was made public in the UN Press Release SC/6878 of 18 June 2000 which stated 'Concerning the Shab'a farmlands, both Lebanon and Syria state that this land belongs to Lebanon.'[14]

Support for the Lebonese claim was reiterated in January 21, 2006, by the President of Syria in a speech before the convention of the Arab Lawyers Union in Damascus and translated into English by SANA, the official state news agency of Syria. President Bashar al-Assad states two things were required for demarcation of the border – registration with the United Nations followed by engineering works to define border points definitely and finally. As neither Syria nor Lebanon have access to the area, resolution is waiting on Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territory.[22]

 

[CptStern]

lol, uhm maybe because Israel wants to end Hezbollahs armed factions especially the ones with a rocket threat, to avoid history repeating itself: UN calls for a resolution, Israel withdraws and Hezbollah militants get their nicely stashed rockets up north back to the south, and continue happily to shell Israel.

But yes, your right, random terror aimed specifically to hurt as many civilians as possible makes so much more sense.

yes the UN is also avoiding history repeating itself

 

[No Limit]

yes the UN is also avoiding history repeating itself

That makes me sick. And the sad thing is they get awawy with it beacuse of people that refuse to understand what is happening over there. Its easier to simply label Hezbollah a terrorist organization and then say Israel is just fight terrorists.

 

[<RJMC>]

this is looking ugly

does anyone know a posible solution?

 

[Llama]

:O
you are batshit insane - wtf kind of head so far up your ass you can see through your nostrils remark is that to make
GTFO you stupid POS

This is exactly like Hitlers extermionation of the Jews. It's the slaughter of innocnet people due to religion. Due to differences that have no effect in reality.

 

[No Limit]

this is looking ugly

does anyone know a posible solution?

Yeah, get Israel to stop killing inncent people and then pull out from lebanon completely.

 

[pvtbones]

Yeah, get Israel to stop killing inncent people and then pull out from lebanon completely.

that'll stop everyone killing everyone make pretty rainbows in the sky with pink ponies.

 

[Saketi]

Roads are also vital for lebanese civilians to get the supplies they need.

Things aren't so black and white, now are they?

Also yes war sucks, but so do you.

roads arent the only way, they can drop them from the airplanes, with shoots attached.

 

[Saketi]

If Israel bombs buildings full of children and their mothers and refuses to release any documents as to why they did it common sense tells you they were in the wrong.

Maybe cos Hzbollah was taking refuge in ther home, they are know for this. So why dont u get yaself on Wilkepedia & search Hezbollah Background Pal.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Ome_Vince the problem you have, like most other westerners do is the fact that the arab world does not see Hezbollah as a terrorist organization.

i dispise terrorist organisations AND resistance organisations (whatever you want to call them) tactics.
Even the World War 2 resistance should have sticked to providing the allies with information. As spies.
Every terror attack, was like a drop of water on a frying pan: it didnt alter the situation, it just made the Wehrmacht commit reprisals killing civilians.
A good portion of civilian casualties might have been avoided...
Its because they piss over every international law, causing so much paranoid behavior that these situations spawn a spiral of downwards violance in which eventually the other side starts committing attrocities.
Then who's the victim? => the regular civilian population.

I despise any groups mingling with civilians, drawing fire to civilians, utilizing 4th generation warfare so to speak, which doesnt serve any purpose but spiral the situation to... terror.

For whatever "reason" Hezbollah keeps attacking Israel, it not even close justifies the hell they create in the process and the constant wars they provoke.
No 35km of disputed land is worth that its just an excuse.

Its a long downwards spiral with perhaps this crisis being the absolute depth.
I agree though, that maybe Israel is the only country now, that can break that spiral by removing the "excuse". Though the solution would be:
First Israel pulls back, then Hezbollah disarms completely, third an international force (which Israel is calling for) is established to ensure safety, forth Israel pulls out of the Shebaa Farms, fith Hezbollah releases the Israeli soldiers and Israel releases the Lebanese prisoners.

Though i'm guessing it wont change much, but put the frontline more to the south.

There are people in Israel and all other parts of the world that agree with that. Do you know why Hezbollah was founded? To stop the Israel occupation of Lebanon, it was not founded to destroy israel.

Hmm, it says Hezbollah denies Israel's right to exist as one of its founding "goals", aswell as part of its ideologie.
SOURCE
It also mentions it works with Hamas and share the goal of Israel's pullout of the occupied territories, and eventually Israel.

You, as a westerner, also don't realize that most in the arab world do not recognize israel's right to exist, hezbollah is not the only one that believes that. What you are doing is just looking at the last month of the conflict saying Israel has a right to defend itself; you are completely ignoring the 25 years of history in that region.

Strange, i seem to be constantly pulling towards to past to explain the current situation.
Look at how this whole spiral of shit started, way back when our PLO friends first started their campaign from Southern Lebanon.
Ofcourse thats not the complete beginning of the spiral of violance, but the main beginning of it establishing itself in Lebanon.
Its somebody elses war, which was and still is waged inside Lebanon.

You quote Nasrallah as saying he wants Israel destroyed, yes alot of countries and groups in Israel want that. However, in the same statement he made that quote he also said outside of Lebanon, Hezbollah will act only in a defensive manner towards Israeli forces, and that Hezbollah's missiles were acquired to deter attacks on Lebanon.

Yes, that reminds me of Hitler who quotes he would always respect Dutch neutrality in the war.
Few weeks later he invades.
The only comparisson i'm trying to make here, is that first Nasrallah says he vows to anihilate Israel, shares this goal with Hamas and says all that other nasty stuff i quoted, and then he goes along saying "in defence".
He claims he would never interfere with Palestinian buisness, yet last year during new peace talks between Israel and Palestina, the Palestinian Authorities blame Hezbollah for attempting to derail peace-talks by offering huge amounts of funding to any Palestinian terrorist organisation to commit terror attacks in Israel.

Hezbollah has not only constantly made contradicting statements by its leaders, but also contradicting actions towards its official statements. For instance:
How does unprovoked shelling of Israeli towns sound like only "defense".

Wasnt it Goring that said something like "you should always make the public feel like they're under attack."
Cant remember exactly, but thats the situation Hezbollah is trying to project, and at the same time stir shit.

The group dennouces attacks primarly on civillians and as you will see they killed proportionally more Israeli soldiers than israeli civillians than israel killed hezbollah vs lebanese civillians. They denounce Al Queda and did not support the attacks on the world trade centers.

I was hoping you'd say that: the reason they killed more soldiers is because Israeli soldiers are now inside Lebanon fighting on Lebanese soil against these militants.
Who by being well equiped and trained by Iran, are very capable of combat.

They denounce attacks on civilians? Yet none of their thousands of Katyusha rockets (even before this crisis, the years of bombardment), are aimed at military targets: they're all aimed at civilian towns/cities with the sole purpose to kill civilians.
The reason they end up not killing an extreme amount, is because Katyusha's are 60 year old russian rockets not very powerfull or reliable and not very accurate.
Funny enough, once they kill Muslim Israeli children they "apologise", but when they kill Israeli children, they dont.
Imo its all just 1 big excuse, since unlike the Palestinians, the Lebanon wasnt in "despair" or "under occupation" or going through checkpoints etc.

And again on the Shebaa Farms you are completely ignoring the fact that Syria, who holds rights to the land (according to the UN) says it belongs to lebanon. Where in that do you see it as a justification to have Israel occupy it? Israel has no right to ownership of that land, yet they refuse to withdraw from it.
and

Thats all great, and technically Syria can give the land to whoever it wants, => true.
Though the hypocracy lies in:
-Syria doesnt even recognise Lebanon, have diplomatic relations, and according to its textbooks sees Lebanon as "Greater Syria".
-Syria occupied Lebanon for years, with no militant resistance.
What i'm trying to say is, that imo that 35km is an excuse. I agree Israel should return that small piece of land to Syria, but i'm sure it does not (in contrary to what you might think) have any key to this global crisis.
A person once said to me: "take away the excuse and terrorist organisations will cease to exist".
What i'm trying to say is: imo that excuse is not only land, and even if it was, technically they can go on until Israel is gone, since before Israel existed the land was controlled by Muslims.
One of the key excuses these criminal organisations use to gain support has religious backgrounds.
You can even read it in their articulation of "jews" instead of Israel.
The very thought of a neighbouring Jewish state, on what was formerly controlled by Muslims is an offense to them, and this is what they are fighting.

All i'm after i trying to figure out what would solve the crisis. And having such a Maffia in place is not doing peace any good to say the least.
Though true, perhaps now only Israel has the power to take the first step and destroy these excuses.

But, imo like i said, dont have any fantasies on these organisations "ceasing to exist" or "stopping their attacks" if Israel pulls out. The only way is to destroy the publics support of these organisations, turn the public against them.

Now i'm wondering, how could that be done. Seriously, since i try to think up ways to for instance counter the religious argumentation often used.