In God We Trust... or, do we?

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So after reading this thread, I thought I'd ask you people, what do you believe in? atheism, monotheism or polytheism?
 
I don't believe in any, it's stupid that we need a specific word for 'none of the above' when it comes to religion. Atheism isn't a belief.
 
I am atheist
the whole "god makes universe and attempts to destroy all life he creates but is unsuccessful" is a bit much for me
then again,I don't believe all that Darwinism mumbojumbo since its always changing
first-we come from monkeys
then-maybe dogs,we are similar
now-we have so much in common with mice,is it possible?
my answer-NO DUMBASS,let me find the appropriate card for you
oh here it is,its called the SHUT THE HELL UP card
humans are not mice
laymans terms
human=human
mice=mice
human doesn't equal mice
 
So, you are an atheist, yet reject scientifically proven fact evolution is on the basis that you don't understand it?

Figures, less-than-intelligent people are in all beliefs.
 
BowSniper said:
then again,I don't believe all that Darwinism mumbojumbo since its always changing
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It changes because we keep making more discoveries that both support it and broaden our knowledge of it. In the world of science things are always changing, and you must adapt or be left behind. Much like with evolution. :thumbs:
 
no,I get evolution,if it would stop changing,maybe I would believe it
monkey=human is the only plausible example out there,yet science tries to convince everybody that we are from about 5 different organisms,which make 0 sense when each is completely different and unique
 
BowSniper said:
I am atheist
the whole "god makes universe and attempts to destroy all life he creates but is unsuccessful" is a bit much for me
then again,I don't believe all that Darwinism mumbojumbo since its always changing
first-we come from monkeys
then-maybe dogs,we are similar
now-we have so much in common with mice,is it possible?
my answer-NO DUMBASS,let me find the appropriate card for you
oh here it is,its called the SHUT THE HELL UP card
humans are not mice
laymans terms
human=human
mice=mice
human doesn't equal mice
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You cannot fathom how much you just failed, can you?
 
BowSniper said:
no,I get evolution,if it would stop changing,maybe I would believe it
monkey=human is the only plausible example out there,yet science tries to convince everybody that we are from about 5 different organisms,which make 0 sense when each is completely different and unique
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Bow, most organisms of a particular branch are built in the same way. Similar organs, similar forms. The genetic code is only four nucleotides long.

We didn't come from monkeys anymore than we came from mice or dogs...we shared a common ancestor with monkeys. We didn't come from mice or dogs or pigs (who're also very similar to us); we're just all along the same type of animal.
 
BowSniper said:
again,I don't believe all that Darwinism mumbojumbo since its always changing
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I'm fascinated by your viewpoint!

Are you disputing the years and years of explicit scientific evidence of our transcendence from primates? Or, to take it even farther back, of the evolution from primordial soup?

Of course the theories of evolution are always changing.. it's inherently part of.. erm.. evolution. Tossing out the bad ideas that won't help our survival as a species, and forming new ones that will help (or ultimately destroy) our future versions. I'm not naive enough to think that it's all good, yet.. whether we kill ourselves off or enhance our existence, it is indeed.. evolution.
 
I'm an atheist, pretty much.

BowSniper said:
I am atheist
the whole "god makes universe and attempts to destroy all life he creates but is unsuccessful" is a bit much for me
then again,I don't believe all that Darwinism mumbojumbo since its always changing
first-we come from monkeys
then-maybe dogs,we are similar
now-we have so much in common with mice,is it possible?
my answer-NO DUMBASS,let me find the appropriate card for you
oh here it is,its called the SHUT THE HELL UP card
humans are not mice
laymans terms
human=human
mice=mice
human doesn't equal mice
Click to expand...

BowSniper said:
no,I get evolution,if it would stop changing,maybe I would believe it
monkey=human is the only plausible example out there,yet science tries to convince everybody that we are from about 5 different organisms,which make 0 sense when each is completely different and unique
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Good lord, this is one of the most painful cases of someone having no idea what they're talking about that I've ever seen.
 
BowSniper said:
no,I get evolution,if it would stop changing,maybe I would believe it
monkey=human is the only plausible example out there,yet science tries to convince everybody that we are from about 5 different organisms,which make 0 sense when each is completely different and unique
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We are genetically similar to mice and dogs in some ways, but we are actually descended from primates. You really do have no idea what you're talking about.
 
wow, maybe you should actually examine the basis of the theories you're refuting before actually commenting on them. you obviously have no clue what the theory of evolution suggests , which actually isnt uncommon it is by far one of science's most misinterpreted theories (imho). i suggest you read a book on it ,Dawkin's "Blind Watchmaker" is pretty well rounded and easy to pickup.
 
Atheist. Just like 80% of hl2.net apparently.
 
We need some more specific catagories here. I am sure people will call me an athiest because I am an agnost, but thats not my point. There should be a catagory for agnosts, just like how you gave a catagory for polythiests.
 
firenbrimstone said:
Actually, an agnostic is one who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God; an atheist is one who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
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Agnostic atheist (weak atheist): One who lacks belief in a god on the grounds of there being no available evidence. "I don't believe in god because there is no evidence"

Gnostic atheist (strong atheist): One who lacks belief in a god on the grounds of having sufficient evidence to the contrary. "I know there is no god"

Agnostic theist (weak theist): One who believes in a god in spite of having no evidence. "I don't know whether there's a god or not, but I believe in one."

Gnostic theist (strong theist): One who beleives in a god because they have sufficient evidence to prove it exists. "I know god exists. I have seen him."
 
firenbrimstone said:
Actually, an agnostic is one who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God; an atheist is one who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
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An atheist is someone who doesnt believe in god. Agnostics dont believe in god and thus are atheists themselves.
 
firenbrimstone said:
Actually, an agnostic is one who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God; an atheist is one who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
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Atheists too say it's impossible to know whether there is a God or not.

The line between atheism and agnosticism is very blurred. When you also take weak and strong atheism and agnosticism into the picture it gets even more mixed up.
 
Neither, I consider myself agnostic... and by agnostic's definition then I am more close to being an atheist.

Who the hell is a polytheist
 
So, you are an atheist, yet reject scientifically proven fact evolution is on the basis that you don't understand it?

Figures, less-than-intelligent people are in all beliefs.
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Wow, you're an intolerant prick these days.

On Topic:

I believe I'm more agnostic (something out there but I don't think its the strict abrahamic interpretation of what a diety could be.)
 
I think that this thread is unneccesary.
These threads always come to the conclusion that atheism is better, and that religon is unneccesary and stupid. This is not the case. If there was no religon, then what would we do with our lives? Nothing. We would strive for nothing, because we would know that after this life comes nothing. Mu. So, what's the point? With religon we know that after this life comes a newer, better life that this life pays for. Religon is neccessary, true or not, and if we do not have it, many things would go uknown. We would all fear death. Do we really need another one of these threads to cement the fact that Atheism is the dominant belief in this forum? Even atheism is a religon. It guides your actions, and what you do.
[See: Assassin's Creed; Sibrand]

Also, nothing is proven. Evolution cannot be proven. Nothing can be proven. Nothing.
 
K e r b e r o s said:
Wow, you're an intolerant prick these days.

On Topic:

I believe I'm more agnostic (something out there but I don't think its the strict abrahamic interpretation of what a diety could be.)
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Isn't that just Deism?
 
Acepilotf14 said:
I think that this thread is unneccesary.
These threads always come to the conclusion that atheism is better, and that religon is unneccesary and stupid. This is not the case. If there was no religon, then what would we do with our lives? Nothing. We would strive for nothing, because we would know that after this life comes nothing. Mu. So, what's the point? With religon we know that after this life comes a newer, better life that this life pays for. Religon is neccessary, true or not, and if we do not have it, many things would go uknown. We would all fear death. Do we really need another one of these threads to cement the fact that Atheism is the dominant belief in this forum? Even atheism is a religon. It guides your actions, and what you do.
[See: Assassin's Creed; Sibrand]

Also, nothing is proven. Evolution cannot be proven. Nothing can be proven. Nothing.
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I have to disagree with you as vehemently as possible. While I respect your opinion, and think it's great you feel that way... I just shudder at the whole thing.

Do we REALLY know that after this life, there's a newer and better life? Who told you? Did God tell you? To quote many: "Pics or it didn't happen"

Who are you to say that because I don't believe in religion, deities of any form, or anything that isn't concretely scientifically proven, that I don't fear death? I fear death just as much, if not more, as a bible-thumping devotee... not for the Hellfire and Damnation promised by many "religions", but because I know the scientific facts that surround death. It's going to suck, no matter how it happens. That's scary. Scary=fear.

Atheism DOES NOT guide my actions, thank you very much. I guide my actions. I don't wake every day thinking "Yay, there's no God, what will I do today?". I wake every morning, glad that I did, and think "5 more minutes would've rocked..."... nothing more, nothing less.

I don't have religion in my life, so I strive for nothing? How pompous of you to assume that. I work hard, I strive to obtain knowledge, I try to be a good person and treat people with respect. I don't consider those efforts to be "nothing".

Evolution HAS been proven. Read more, assume less.. you'd be surprised what you'd learn.
 
Agnostic. But the choice wasn't present

So athiest
 
Acepilotf14 said:
I think that this thread is unneccesary.
These threads always come to the conclusion that atheism is better, and that religon is unneccesary and stupid. This is not the case. If there was no religon, then what would we do with our lives? Nothing. We would strive for nothing, because we would know that after this life comes nothing. Mu. So, what's the point?
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Without religion, I strive to do things of my own volition. I treat others nicely, I work and go to school, and I try to help other people because I want to. Religion has nothing to do with this. If religion disappeared tomorrow, what do you honestly think would happen? Would the moral structure of our society magically crumble away? Would we all commit mass-suicide because we don't believe in an afterlife? No, of course not. Religion doesn't hold our society together any more; the days when it did disappeared once nations started creating long-lasting governments. If religion disappeared, we would continue to co-exist based on the structure and moral code that government, law, and common sense provide.

Acepilotf14 said:
With religon we know that after this life comes a newer, better life that this life pays for. Religon is neccessary, true or not, and if we do not have it, many things would go uknown. We would all fear death. Do we really need another one of these threads to cement the fact that Atheism is the dominant belief in this forum?
[See: Assassin's Creed; Sibrand]
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No. With religion you believe that you'll pass on to an afterlife.

Acepilotf14 said:
Even atheism is a religon. It guides your actions, and what you do.
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No. Atheism is the lack of a belief in a higher power. That is literally the only common trait amongst Atheists. Christians hold many common view points and moral beliefs (I trust I don't need to list them), which is how Christianity can manage to guide the actions of its followers. But Atheism is not a religion because it doesn't force codes of morality or belief upon its "followers". Calling Atheism a religion is like saying HL2.net is a religion. Being a .netter just means you come here often and post; you don't even have to have played Half-Life to be here. Being a .netter is the only 100% common trait amongst people who go on HL2.net, just as being atheist is the only 100% common trait amongst atheists.
 
Books are written, and can be written by anyone. I can write a book that says that we came from monkeys, sure, but does that make it true? I can write a book saying that all other books are false, or maybe write a fiction that I take to seriously and turn it into a religon, but that doesn't make it true, does it? Again: Nothing can be proven without seeing it with your own eyes. But then, no one else will believe it unless the same happens. It's just a bit farfetched that all of this happened as a coincidence. THe Big Bang? What happened before then? What CAUSED it? The universe goes on for infinity, yet at the same time infinity is unattainable. The answer is right there, but just out of reach.
 
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