Iran holds Holocaust Cartoon Contest

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Nice job Hamshahri newspaper, it's only really freedom of speech if you could also publish the Muhammad cartoons and not be thrown into prison for it. You don't seem to have that ability. Either way, do whatever you like though- your right, but you just lowered yourself to the level of the Denmark newspaper, if not below (since you just hit a third party who had nothing to do with it and mock and actual recent event where 6 million died)

edit: meant for politics sorry, mod please move this topic!
 
I don't think it's that bad, really. After all, all funny is based on pain, so it's only natural that the holocaust would be the butt of some jokes. However, this really seems to be a childish reaction from Iran.
 
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HAHAHA, Millions of Jews and other minorities died, including gypsies and homosexuals, etc! LETS MAKE A FUNNY!


**** you Iran.
 
Rando...
just...
that's so awful...
and yet...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
Well, at least this is less harmless than burning shit and rioting


But still, they'll only allow free speech if it's mocking someone else's beliefs, not their own.... f*cking religion
 
Ahhhh!

seriously though, Iran are looking for some fat sanctions or conflict. What kindof crazy game are they playing.
 
They're playing the, "Lets see how much outlandish, crazy shit we can do and still be defended by CptStern" game.



JOKING. Don't kill me.


EDIT: Oops. I thought this was the Hamas thread. But still, its fitting :D
 
Dumb asses, evry Jewish should burn Iran embassys in the world. Lets see what they say about that...
 
TheAmazingRando, that's so wrong. :angry:

Iran is truly nuts. I hope the international community has a smart plan to diffuse this increasingly hostile Iran situation.
 
This seems like a great way to get their point across.

While you guys bitch and moan about how horrible it is, they laugh all the way to the bank so to speak.
 
Adrien C said:
Dumb asses, evry Jewish should burn Iran embassys in the world. Lets see what they say about that...
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No. Tempered response will show even more how batshit insane they're being, as now there will be a comparable (if you can even compare drawing Muhammad with mockin 6 million deaths) thing between both cultures. If it's just disgust without the insanity, it shows who's acting right.
 
Mmmm-hmmm-hmmm-hmmm-hmmm-HMMM, HMM-hmm-hmm-hmm-hmm-hmmmmmmm....

Iran newspapers sux0rs.

That is all.
 
However, it is a good way to get their point across.

Reprehensible/stupid but whatever. They've every right to do it, haven't they?
 
well in Europe you get thrown i jail, for questioning the jewish version of History



Erik Sundel anyone?
 
'The Jewish version of history'.

Ahaha. You mean the real one? The one that actually happened, Mr Irving?
I don't agree with Europe's anti-nazism laws but then there do seem to be a lot of neo-nazis around so perhaps they're thinking pragmatism is better than total freedom of speech. They should still let these Iranian cartoons be published. Not without comment, but certainly without violence.

/me shrugs
 
Did I say anything about Nazis?



you go ahead and belive all the BS....good 4 you.
 
What you say?

Sorry, you're not making any sense to me.

I wondered what you meant by the phrase "The Jewish version of history". Then I expressed an opinion on the matter of European anti-nazism laws that you mentioned.

You then ask me if you said anything about nazis. Well no, you didn't but niether did I. This question seems to be somewhat out of the blue.

And then...all what 'BS'? What's good '4' me?
 
Sulkdodds said:
However, it is a good way to get their point across.

Reprehensible/stupid but whatever. They've every right to do it, haven't they?
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True, they're just like them danish papers.

And I asusme you know, but he's meaning bullshit and for by using bs and 4.
 
haha, they will get so pwned when they notice that we have freedom of speech and that we wont give a shit or even care...its like ignoring a little child :)
 
Raziaar said:
HAHAHA, Millions of Jews and other minorities died, including gypsies and homosexuals, etc! LETS MAKE A FUNNY!


**** you Iran.
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Hah I guess you now know how the muslims feel :)

I think this is right. But I don't think the holocaust is as big a thing as calling mohammed a terrorist.
 
MaxiKana said:
I think this is right. But I don't think the holocaust is as big a thing as calling mohammed a terrorist.
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They're equally wrong. Muslims don't like anyone to disgrace their prophet. Jewish people don't like anyone to undermine the importance and tragedy of the Holocaust.

The Muslims are very particular about what can be said about Muhammad and Allah. Maybe its something that the West doesn't understand because we have different cultures. However, we should respect their beliefs. In addition, Muslims should respect everyone else's beliefs. After all, their religions are not all that different. :)
 
The Danish cartoonist said he was mocking muslims who use the prophet+Allah for violant purposes, like translating the "die for Allah will give you 72 virgins in heaven" into blowing yourself up to kill infidels.
He was mocking the extremists only, not necessarily muslims.

Allah with the bomb on his head can be interpreted in many ways, but the meaning imo was that extremists are "blowing up allah" by combining/binding/using him in combination with "bomb" violance.

Extremists are destroying the Islam, which is a just statement (look at how the world looks at the Islamic religion after 9/11)....

I'd say the Cartoon is a silent protest against extremists, which due to cultural differences and insensitivity got interpreted as "mocking the islam".

The insensitivity lies in : "its an infidel who says it" ( combined with the violent history of christians vs islam this is seen as "another" attack on islam )...
 
I don't know if this is as bad as stating that the Holocaust was made-up or worse. I don't know if it is as bad as stating that Israel should be wiped off the face or the earth or worse. Everything that comes out of that country is loud-mouthed insane rhetoric, but they are a very serious power in the world and apparently they will not be ignored.

To cause riots and fires and destroy property and threaten deaths over cartoons is sheer madness, no matter what your belief system. Especially if the cartoon represents the way the Western World views radical Muslim extremists because that is all they have shown to us. As per their nefarious actions, their God is one of death and destruction. Every other good-hearted Muslim in the world who does not believe in such violence (which is by far the vast majority of them) should be just as outraged by the behavior of those who wield such weapons of death under the same banner of Islam and should not be offended by the cartoon's representation of the prophet because it is not a representation of their prophet--it is a representation of the prophet of the terrorists, the extremeists, who would have all of us believe that Islam is somehow in direct opposition to the values of the Western World and that the two cannot co-exist peacefully.

Islam is a peaceful religion and should not be mis-represented, but by causing so much death and destruction in the name of Islam, the terrorists (read: the radical Muslim fundamentalists) are making that Danish cartoon a reality. So I ask you: Who is at fault here? :hmph:
 
Ome_Vince, in any case, it's wrong to visually portray their God or prophet. Perhaps if more people took the time to read about Islam, maybe they'd have more respect and understanding for it. Just because it's okay for Americans or Europe to put the Christian or Catholic Jesus and God in a cartoon, doesn't mean that you can do that with all religions.

Islam is quickly becoming the largest religion on the planet. I think we owe it to eachother to try to understand it. That goes for other religions as well. Peoples ignorance of others' religion is what has got much of mankind in trouble throughout the centuries.

Just for the record, I don't have a religion myself but I think it's important to try and understand it.
 
Ofcourse, i always support mutual respect.
Only not when it comes to mocking extremists. Perhaps the form, and/or way it was done might have been better to change or whatever to avoid mis-interpretation.
But since the western world is under attack by Islamic fundementalists, i think that gives it the right to mock fundementalists for their facist interpretation of Islam. Also considering large parts of the west have large %'s of Islamic people who dont agree with the fundementalist vision of Islam.

The mocking cartoon form might have been insensitive, but if you look which % of the population respond to it, its the fundementalists..
Islam orders all around the world all reject the riots, as do most Islamic people/countries.

In that case it seems the cartoon did its job to mock the extremists... :p j/k
 
satch919 said:
Ome_Vince, in any case, it's wrong to visually portray their God or prophet.
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Yes, and its also wrong to use a beautiful, peaceful religion as an excuse for killing thousands of innocents. Its also wrong to try to lure young men and women into suicide by promising their family money (that they oftentimes don't ever see) after you blow yourself up, potentially killing innocents civilian men, women, children and yourself in the name of said religion.

Visual representation is what the entire world understands best and that cartoon transcended all barriers of language and culture. It let the rest of the world (even the illiterate types) know that this is how Muslim extremists are representing Islam's most sacred prophet. Again, I will ask: who is really at fault here? Is it the man who made the cartoon or the fanatical lunatics that give credibility to his art?
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I think it's important to try and understand it.
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Indeed. We need to all understand each other a little better and get used to the fact that there will always be people with different belief systems out there (and they're not all trying to kill you)!
 
Ome_Vince said:
But since the western world is under attack by Islamic fundementalists, i think that gives it the right to mock fundementalists for their facist interpretation of Islam. Also considering large parts of the west have large %'s of Islamic people who dont agree with the fundementalist vision of Islam.
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Islam could argue that they're under attack from the West. I think the extremist should be challenged and questioned but they went about it in the wrong way. They not only pissed off the extremists even more but they've offended moderates as well. In addition, this could be used by the extremists to recruit others who might be easily swayed to that ideology. We don't need to give them any more "ammo" against the West. We need to be smart about it.

Ome_Vince said:
The mocking cartoon form might have been insensitive, but if you look which % of the population respond to it, its the fundementalists..
Islam orders all around the world all reject the riots, as do most Islamic people/countries.
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Look at the percentage of the media who responded to it. The media chose to show protests because it gets viewers. Moderates were offended too. They just don't choose to protest violently; which is why they've recieved little coverage.

Originally Posted by MSNBC.com
Many moderate Muslims denounced the extremists in the demonstrations. They noted that only a small number carried hateful signs such as "Europe, your 9/11 will come." Some protesters also chanted "Bomb USA, Bomb UK" and "We want Danish blood."

Inayat Bunglawala, a spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain said in an interview that "there was no doubt" that some protesters had crossed the line to "a clear incitement to violence." He said the police acted responsibly in not arresting them immediately because it deprived the radicals of the chance to "declare themselves as martyrs in defense of the prophet."

‘Genuine sense of hurt’
He said it was a shame that extremists "exploited" the protest that was an expression of "a genuine sense of hurt and distress" caused by the cartoons. Bunglawala said a positive step to calm the violence would be for the newspapers that published the cartoons to issue a joint statement that "recognized the hurt" they caused. "While not illegal, it was an error of judgment," he said.

Asghar Bukhari, chairman of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, called the protesters holding the offending placards "a bunch of thugs." He said in an interview that police should take action against them: "I can't believe they haven't broken the law." A real tragedy, he said, would be for non-Muslims to believe that these radicals represented most Muslims and come away thinking "these barbarians don't understand our way.
"Then, those who would like a clash of civilizations will have had their day," he said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11207606/

The media has a lot to do with peoples view of what's going on.
 
satch919 said:
The media has a lot to do with peoples view of what's going on.
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Yes, keeping us in fear will allow more restrictive legislation to pass to give more power to those already in power and deprive us civilians of (what's left of) our civil liberites.

I think that the media and terrorists are equally to blame for the common and all-too perverted misconceptions about Islam today. The media shows only the most vioelnt and incendiary scenes of extreme Muslim actions/reactions and the terrorists tell the world that they are doing all of their slaughtering of innocents in the name of Islam. Both of these things, especially combined, have a devastatingly detrimental effect on the worldview of Islam and it is up to the West to learn and understand more about it and it is up to the rest of the Muslim population to weed out the hateful loudmouths within their own flock through teaching rather than through more violence.
 
imo the only thing the majority of the muslim world needs, is (like turkey) total free acces to information.. Specificly information from different sources including "the west", and an abolishment to ancient intollerant laws...


In the west people "try" to understand "why are the muslims angry" and we should "not step on their toes, look at it from their perspective".
A nobel and good way which should be promoted.
This is mainly the result of propper education and many sources of information.
I can walk to the library and find muslim, atheist, christian, budhist and hindo-books. I can get any book on any culture from most perspectives...
You can get WW2 books from usa, russian and german "eyes".

Can we say the same for the majority of Islamic countries? That they "try to
see it from our perspective, and they are tollerant to our ways of life"? "That they have multiple sources of information?"
Answer in general is no..

These types of "cutting off information" and branding information from the west as "western lies" lay the foundation for discrimination.
True, most muslims dont pay attention to this, and are tollerant, but shouldnt we at least be worried that these things are being said?
I meen we fight all over the place to hunt down neo-nazi's and abolish racism, why cant we at least demand other cultures do the same for us?

In Holland some smart pricks recently decided to translate some of the Islamic books written by Dutch Muslims and published. "Hey, whats this? -> 'homosexuals should be thrown of a building and exterminated".
Now ofcourse most muslims see that as bs too, but we should fight that pool of information and redicule those people just as Europe's media and cartoons pooped on American radicals who were protesting against gay marriage...

Another examples: churches and mosques. In the west, you have freedom of religion, the law forbids any discrimination. Mosques rise all over the place. No problems.
After an earthquake in the middle-east, there was much debating whether or not the destroyed churches could be restored...
The law is: "you are not allowed to build new churches. The ones allready standing are tollerated". In alot of muslim countries there are still country-laws vs other religions. That meens intollerance is dug deep into many societies..

No wander a cartoon will spawn this much mess....

If you dont redicule these discriminating thoughts and the radicals/extremists in fear of insulting the moderate people, then there's got to be something wrong here...
 
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