Iran holds Holocaust Cartoon Contest

It's pretty hilarious that the only reason they are doing this is to "get back" at the West. Burning flags just wasn't good enough, let's "Stick it to the Man!" TM.

They make a good point, though. But the way they are approaching it is just f*cking stupid. It seems as if they are going to poke fun at the killing of the Jews in some "humerous" way, which is not what the Danish comics did at all. They made fun of the evil people who blew themselves up, and much more specifically depicted Muhammed in a somewhat humerous matter. Which is a much lighter matter than genocide.

Now, if they were to poke fun at Hitler and Nazism, well, I mean.... [urh=ttp://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/060206.jpg]the Western world already does that.[/url] No one should be offended.

So let's see what they end up with? Especially since their religion restricts them from depicting any person other than that of Muhammed.

And since their main problem with the comics was how Muhammed was pictured, why not picture Jesus and Abraham or the Christian or Jewish God or something like that in a humerous way? Oh, that's right, its already done like all the f*cking time and no one really kills people or burns anything over it. There is even a prime time TV sitcom in the US starring Jesus.

I mean god damn, son.
 
I don't know how anyone can compare the situations really. To make light of the holocaust, especially in a country with such anti-semitic fervour, can easily be seen as ok'ing violence against jews.

The Danish cartoon, on the other hand, even if you take the most extreme possibly interpretation of it, is still only criticising a belief system. I don't see how you could possibly construe them as condoning violence against anyone. After all it's not like the Danish prime minister has recently been heard saying that all Muslims should be wiped out... :rolleyes: My personal interpretation of the Danish cartoon (the tur-bomb one) was that they were saying Islam can pe botentially a very volatile religion, liable to 'exlode' - something that was proved 100% accurate by the reaction. Cartoons belittling the holocaust, on the other hand, belittle genocide. Essentially 'Jews died...it's funny'. How is that not the epitome of hatred?

The 2 are on different levels.

I see a lot of people scared of arousing Islamic hatred, and masquerading that fear as 'sensitivity'. There is no consistency of principle here.

*sigh* oh whatever, maybe a nice big war would clear the air...
 
I heard that their fool of a president said that the cartoons were zionists' response to Hamas' victory. That pretty hard to believe, considering the pictures were published three months before the Palestinian election. :|
 
I dont see the connection between:
-Danish "christians"/"atheists" setup a cartoon which Islam sees as insulting.

(Iran thinks, hmz, what should we do to strike at the west., hmm, hey, i got it, lets **** the jews since we hate israel anyways).

-Cartoon contest about holocaust.

So the Danish cartoon spawned Iran to lash out at Jews ( am i missing something?? Where is the Danish-Jew connection here? Is the cartoonist or newspaper jewish or??)....

Man people make hitler and holocaust jokes all the time, its not going to insult anybody but the jews + israel..
Holocaust jokes in Europe = not a shock as perhaps Iran hopes..
 
Iran challenges European newspapers to print these cartoons once they are published.

What the hell is wrong with people these days?
 
Ome_Vince said:
I dont see the connection between:
-Danish "christians"/"atheists" setup a cartoon which Islam sees as insulting.

(Iran thinks, hmz, what should we do to strike at the west., hmm, hey, i got it, lets **** the jews since we hate israel anyways).

-Cartoon contest about holocaust.

So the Danish cartoon spawned Iran to lash out at Jews ( am i missing something?? Where is the Danish-Jew connection here? Is the cartoonist or newspaper jewish or??)....

Man people make hitler and holocaust jokes all the time, its not going to insult anybody but the jews + israel..
Holocaust jokes in Europe = not a shock as perhaps Iran hopes..
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Christians, Jews and Atheists are all "the west".
 
Idiots. We'll publish the hell out of them- albiet with titles like "look how far Iran is prepared to stoop."

It's utterly illogical. They're picking on the Jews because they're traditional scapegoats, even though they had nothing to do with the Denmark newspaper fiasco.

And they choose to "parody" real-life genocide. Surely logic dictates they should've fought fire with fire and gone for Jesus Christ?

Oh, wait... we've already parodied the **** out of that guy. Perhaps we don't care, and we're not prepared to resort to violent extremism because someone stereotypes us as violent extremists :|
 
The Monkey said:
Christians, Jews and Atheists are all "the west".
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Heh, its funny how "the West" somehow equates to "non-Islamic non-Middle Easterners"
 
freedom of speech gives me the right to say holocaust is a lot more than what actually happened.
oh and Edcrab,
first: it's not like they have done anything.
2nd: even if they did, it's total freedom of speech, so when you think insulting caricators of muhammed is "freedom of speech", you shouldn't arse about this.
 
Someone on the BBC "Have Your Say" board asked how we'd react to cartoons of Jesus, etc.

My immediate response was that we'd laugh - Mainly at the Iranians for thinking it'd be as offensive to us as the Danish cartoons were to them.
 
People can also think the holocaust isnt real or a myth, who cares.
He can dressup as a suicide bomber all he likes who cares ( in the western world he "can get shot" by police thinking he's the real deal :p, especially in london.... :p )

Hell Carnaval is going to be here in Holland soon, i think i'll also go as Muhammed with a bomb on my head. :p j/k
*watch the papers guys :p
 
jerkasaur said:
freedom of speech gives me the right to say holocaust is a lot more than what actually happened.
oh and Edcrab,
first: it's not like they have done anything.
2nd: even if they did, it's total freedom of speech, so when you think insulting caricators of muhammed is "freedom of speech", you shouldn't arse about this.
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Everyone who lives in a free country knows that there are limits to freedom of speech and are comfortable with it. I can't, for instance, tell someone that I'm going to kill them, without the law getting involved somewhere, or say to a crowd "It's ok if Jews get killed" because that's incitement to racial hatred (jews tend to classify as a race). Criticism of a belief system, on the other hand, is totally fair game.

It seems that people not used to free speech, or people who don't like to hear things they don't agree with, are the only ones who can't get their heads around this
 
Ome_Vince said:
He can dressup as a suicide bomber all he likes who cares ( in the western world he "can get shot" by police thinking he's the real deal :p, especially in london.... :p )
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TBH, I'm surprised he wasn't.
 
Everyone who lives in a free country knows that there are limits to freedom of speech and are comfortable with it.
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QFT, however, "freedom of speech" does not give anyone the right to insult anyone's religion. this is not a small thing happening, people behind this had a motivation, and that is starting a fight between muslims and other people with other beliefs (see the monkey's post where he says he hates islam). you could see that when bush accidentaly noted: "the cross wars are yet to begin". muslims never insulted christianity or any other religion in any way, and they don't want to see this from others too.
the vatican and jews have mentioned that what has happened was wrong, like the muslims have.
and to those who say the newspaper appoligized, well, that's not important too much cause the one who drew the caricature has obviously been paid to do so, those behind this and those who should have control over this should answer.
 
you think its wrong to mock extremists with these cartoons?
Since they were clearly aimed at extremists who use the Qu'ran and Mohammed as excuse for violance....

I think a religious fanatic is no different from a Nazi in his/her way of thinking, and mocking Nazi's doesnt get normal German people angry now does it? Mocking islamic extremists should not upset moderate Muslims..
 
you think its wrong to mock extremists with these cartoons?
Since they were clearly aimed at extremists who use the Qu'ran and Mohammed as excuse for violance....
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that is not the point of those caricatures. they have been extremists in all religions, and i hate them as much as others do, no matter their religion. but it doesn't mean you can draw an insulting picture of the prophet of that religion, a person that all the followers of that religion, and even others, believe in.
 
jerkasaur said:
that is not the point of those caricatures. they have been extremists in all religions, and i hate them as much as others do, no matter their religion. but it doesn't mean you can draw an insulting picture of the prophet of that religion, a person that all the followers of that religion, and even others, believe in.
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We do it with Jesus and Buddah all the time, its funny :)
 
I seriously don't understand why people are arguing that its not okay to mock religion, when Jesus is poked fun at constantly, and making fun of Jewish rabbi is a part of so many comedies.

You'd better STAY OFF Islam, but JESUS LOL pictures and Krusty the Klown's Rabbi father are both hilarious. Double Standards WOOT WOOT!

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jerkasaur said:
it doesn't give me the right to tell you your dad's a "Son Of A Bitch" now does it? just the way i am not allowed to say that, i am not allowed to insult other people's beliefs. if i do, i should consider the Consequences.
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Actually, it does give you the right to tell his dad that he's an SOB.

LOL EDIT REPLY!
 
Llama said:
Yes it does
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it doesn't give me the right to tell you your dad's a "Son Of A Bitch" now does it? just the way i am not allowed to say that, i am not allowed to insult other people's beliefs. if i do, i should consider the Consequences.
 
jerkasaur said:
freedom of speech gives me the right to say holocaust is a lot more than what actually happened.
oh and Edcrab,
first: it's not like they have done anything.
2nd: even if they did, it's total freedom of speech, so when you think insulting caricators of muhammed is "freedom of speech", you shouldn't arse about this.
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I'm not too sure why you chose to reply to me in particular, but meh.

I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to get angry and righteous about something that's just as tasteless- if not more so- than the original Danish debacle. I'm not having ago at "freedom" here, merely those that think burning down a building is a viable way of protesting against our FOS laws.

The extremist "protestors" have committed arson, screamed hate, and, in one very ironic case, dressed as a suicide bomber- so by comparison this competetion is quite mild, but still unjustifiable.

And thus, as you say, it's my right to declare that they're even bigger idiots than the original cartoonist. I've got no sympathy or understanding left in me at this point.
 
jerkasaur said:
that is not the point of those caricatures. they have been extremists in all religions, and i hate them as much as others do, no matter their religion. but it doesn't mean you can draw an insulting picture of the prophet of that religion, a person that all the followers of that religion, and even others, believe in.
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That was the point of those caricatures. To insult the extremists who rape Islam by mis-using its prophet and Qu'ran.
I really dont see why moderate muslims, should even care. I dont see Katholics going insane and getting angry when somebodies portrayed the pope as the Evil Emperor ( that was freekin hilarious :p )
And consider this guy to be the most beloved man of the katholics, and the spiritual leader...
Not to mention how many people have mocked the bible and Jesus. You dont see religious Christians going mad after a mocking cartoon...
And dont underestimate how much "some christians" love the bible and Jesus...

Insensitive or not, a regular newspaper mock-cartoon aimed at extremists should not piss off the entire muslim world. If it was something big and serious i'd agree, but not with a few meaningless cartoons.
 
People make fun of religion all the time in a good humored way. I have developed a sense of humor when it comes to these sorts of things about my religion.


Making fun of religion != making fun of genocide.
 
And dont underestimate how much "some christians" love the bible and Jesus...
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Not only that, but how is it that somehow Muslims have a monopoly on caring about something incredibly deeply? Although i may not be religious in the usual sense of the word, I have values that run as deep as any Muslim's love of Allah or Mohammed. I have those values offended frequently, but it doesn't give me any more of a right to respond violently, just because those convictions are deeply held. I don't expect the world to conform the model of me, a minority.
 
jerkasaur said:
QFT, however, "freedom of speech" does not give anyone the right to insult anyone's religion.
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Like, lol, yes it does. That's the whole point of it.

I am allowed to say you're a twat.
I am allowed to call your mum fat.
I am allowed to say Islam's a bitch.
I'm not allowed to say everybody should go out and kill Muslims.

The first three are insulting. The last one is actually dangerous. There is a difference there...and freedom of speech doesn't mean you can't tell someone they're talking bullshit.

"Muslims are gay."
"Bullshit. You're an asshat."
"Aha! Freedom of speech!"
"Yes, freedom of speech. YOU ARE AN ASSHAT."
 
I love Jesus more than most Muslims love Mohammed (they don't worship him, after all). I don't go burning theaters that play Jesus Christ Superstar, though, even though things like that offend me. And I certainly don't mock the deaths of anyone when I get offended. People can say whatever they want, be it about Jesus, Mohammed, or yes, even the Holocaust. I still don't find any of it in good taste.

Why can't people just get along? :(
 
Laivasse said:
Everyone who lives in a free country knows that there are limits to freedom of speech and are comfortable with it. I can't, for instance, tell someone that I'm going to kill them, without the law getting involved somewhere, or say to a crowd "It's ok if Jews get killed" because that's incitement to racial hatred (jews tend to classify as a race). Criticism of a belief system, on the other hand, is totally fair game.

It seems that people not used to free speech, or people who don't like to hear things they don't agree with, are the only ones who can't get their heads around this
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You can say it's okay if jews get killed. Unless you meant to imply you can't say "You should kill Jews" which nevermind then, as that would be incitement to a specific action and yeah illegal.

I do NOT agree with that one bit, I'm just saying that wouldn't be against the law, only the "I'm going to kill you" one would be. Unless it actually is where you live, in which case your laws suck at free speech.


jerkasaur said:
it doesn't give me the right to tell you your dad's a "Son Of A Bitch" now does it? just the way i am not allowed to say that, i am not allowed to insult other people's beliefs. if i do, i should consider the Consequences.
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No, you are allowed to. You don't know what you're talking about. Sorry, but you won't ever stifle free speech just because you don't LIKE what is being said. There is no right to not be offended. You can say offensive things as you please.
 
They can do the cartoons as they please but it really shows how childish people can be, it's pathetic.
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
You can say it's okay if jews get killed. Unless you meant to imply you can't say "You should kill Jews" which nevermind then, as that would be incitement to a specific action and yeah illegal.

I do NOT agree with that one bit, I'm just saying that wouldn't be against the law, only the "I'm going to kill you" one would be. Unless it actually is where you live, in which case your laws suck at free speech.
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Well, that's why I said 'to a crowd'. If you were speaking publicly and saying that it's ok for a certain group of people to get murdered, there would be little other way to interpret it other than as incitement to hate/violence. I think in Britain, an instance like that would almost certainly attract the attention of the law.
 
It doesn't sit too well with me, but I have to wonder if something like this is a good thing just to release some of the tension in the Muslim community at the moment. Making fun of Jewish people is prefereble to rioting and burning buildings.
 
grrr :mad:

ok you can blame the forum or this crappy laptop that I'm borrowing's cookie settings for me not giving a proper answer(it just deleted a wholelot I wrote)
but here's the basic gist of it:

Jerkasaur do a little research on how civilised and democratic societies such as Denmark work before making ridicolous ignorant statements.(actually what I had written was a lot nicer because I was trying to explain those things)

Anyways I'm from Denmark, the newspaper have already apologised( http://www.jp.dk/meninger/ncartikel:aid=3527646 ) for hurting muslim feelings and that is all that is really needed to carry on. now we just need those fundementalists in the ME to get their heads out of their asses and do something more constructive.

by the way I find this holocaust thing hilariously sad:D

it's just so stupid in so many ways...and no it's really is not comparable to the muhammed cartoons...the premise for those cartoons wasn't to incite violence or mock muslims...and last time I checked a bit more people died during the holocaust compared to the publishing of the muhammed cartoons. generally: lots of people dying = not funny.

not to mention that a lash at jews have nothing to do with the cartoons in Denmark:rolleyes: silly fundamentalists...
 
Well, I lost family in the whole WW2 situation, so it's supposed to be a tender point. But, freedom of speech - drawings of people being executed aren't going to change the past, nor make what happened any better or worse.

To me, the situation is like something you'd find in a playground. "Hah, you took the piss out of my mom, Mr. America, so I'm going to hide Mr. Judaism's pencil case on the top shelf of the library. Pwnt."

Weird situation.

-Angry Lawyer
 
This kind of sums it up:
The dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, a Jewish human rights and educational organisation, condemned the competition.

"They're following the classic formula of Adolf Hitler, which says if there's a problem, it's the fault of the Jews," said Rabbi Marvin Hier in an interview with AFP.
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Jerkasaur said:
it doesn't give me the right to tell you your dad's a "Son Of A Bitch" now does it? just the way i am not allowed to say that, i am not allowed to insult other people's beliefs. if i do, i should consider the Consequences.
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Where are you from, Jerkasaur? If you have those kind of "Freedom" of speech laws, you're not from around here (UK).
 
Saying that making fun of the holocaust is equally as bad or worse than making fun of Muhammad is stupid. This shows about as much reason as those who burned the flags over a cartoon did. Muhammad was a powerful man. The holocaust was a recent, horrible travesty.

Freedom of speech only goes so far as to not endanger the freedoms of others, most of our freedoms (in the US anyway) follow this rule.
 
That's bad...and WWIII is on the door step...I know I say that in every thread about this sort of stuff, but it seems to be going that way.
 
I say let them, ignore them, and watch as they come to the slow realisation that freedom of speech is everyone's right.

What they do not have, however, is the right to have everyone else pay attention.

Poor jerkasaur. :p
 
I see it now, the editor of the paper: "Hmmm lets get back at those danes by making something offensive thats completely unrelated to religion.... I know! Holocaust, which didn't happen by the way."

Bunch of ****ers, they know noone in the west would burn down embassies if they made fun of Jesus or Moses or anyone for that matter, so they attack something completly unrelated which should be offensive to EVERYONE.
 
Jokes on the Holocaust have been around for years. They are in bad taste and generally not funny. It is unlikely that a contest held inside Iran will come up with anything more offensive that the bad taste humour on this subject anyone of us could find by doing a goggle search right now.

Reacting to these offensive jokes is simply human nature.
Over reacting is playing into the hands of the humorist and is exactly the reason for them.

If and when this contest is finally held I will simply do as I have when confronted with other jokes on this subject. Give them no credibility whatsoever and feel sorry for anybody that would find them remotely funny.

Equally so I really wouldn't feel the urge to take to the streets, braying for blood and making a fool of myself.
 
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