Iran holds Holocaust Cartoon Contest

[Yuri]

Oh how conversations evolve....in this case devolve.

Devolve? That sounds like... I don't know what that sounds like.

 

[dream431ca]

Devolve? That sounds like... I don't know what that sounds like.

It means it got from a sensible topic to a bad topic..you know when yummy chocolate milk goes to evil chocolate milk with the sourness and disgusting texture...like that.

 

[Lemonking]

Lemonking,

Get the f*ck off our forums with your anti-semitism bullshit. You are not welcome here. I have no idea how you were able to be unbanned, but I am looking forward to the day when you are banned again. As much as your extreme stupidity, ignorance, and racism is entertaining to make fun of, its just getting ridiculous.

I don't give a **** if you spend every day of your life scrubbing the floors of Auschwitz. I don't give a shit how many neo-Nazi and anti-semi articles you struggled to understand. The genocide of the Jewish people, Gypsies, gays, and many more minorities in Eastern Europe is a fact and is not to be disputed. You disgust me. "Hyped?" How does one "hype" the murder and torture of over six million innocent lives? Of all the things in the world to be "hyped," I would be willing to say that this is one of the few that are impossible to hype. No amount of popularity would ever be sufficient for such an atrocity against the human race.

Stop coming into threads and automatically making them stupid, just by your aura of ignorance. Stop dropping racist comments every single chance you get. And, for the love of god, stop being so f*cking all-around stupid!


Same to you, jerkasaur. Do not dispute the fact that millions of innocent lives were slaughtered in the genocide that was the Holocaust. Nothing gives you the right to pretend that something of that magnitude did not happen. If you want to be an asshole who does not respect those who died, at least have the decency to not change history the way you wanted it to happen.

Your a facist you twist peoples view,and dont accept opinions.


edit: and like I give a damn what you tell me to do,I stated my opinion and posted documents proving my point.You are simply lost becuase you have no counter arguement.



cry more

 

[Jintor]

Your a facist you twist peoples view,and dont accept opinions.


edit: and like I give a damn what you tell met o do,I stated my opinion and posted documents proving my point.You are simply lost becuase you have no counter arguement.



cry more

When you act like a dickhead, spell like a moron, and assume victory because the other person told you to go away, you're really not going to win any arguements.

Whoever you are.

My counter-arguement is that not all opinions are equal. Is the moon made of cheese?

 

[Yuri]

Your a facist you twist peoples view,and dont accept opinions.

Facist? Either you're stating that I like faces, or you're stating that I have a political view that has nothing to do whatsoever with what you're trying to say. Both these make you sound and look like the complete idiot that you are.

I'll accept your opinion for what it is-- racist, ignorant, and stupid.

You posted many times in this thread with pure shit, but I'm just going to go through one.

no, yes millions of died but 6milliion is a xtreme over exageration.

Exaggeration? Are you a MORON? Where did you get this innaccurate information in which you've based your crazy opinion on?

Yes its sad what the Germans did,but the thing is that alota jews use it like a hammer they bash over your head. or they do character assassination .eg. loosing your job and stuff like that,or they throw you in jail...like Erik Sundel

Great, now you are generalizing a whole religion of people, and being racist against them at the same time. Not only that, but you're seeming to say that they don't have the right to remind people of the past, and what a past it was for them.

Now, I would understand if you were to say that some Jews throw around the Holocaust in completely unnecessary times to get attention for themselves unjustly. Or if you've met Jews that are predjudiced themselves against Germans. If that's what you were trying to say, though, you strayed from it too much.

btw stern,he lived in Canada,then Canada deported him to Germany for thought crimes.

I think you mean "racism and stupidity." I don't know anything about this guy, but I'll trust stern's word over your moronic droolings any day.





edit to yours:

edit: and like I give a damn what you tell met o do,I stated my opinion and posted documents proving my point.You are simply lost becuase you have no counter arguement.



cry more

"Cry more" really detracts from any reliability you could ever have. Please, continue proving my point that you are stupid.

I realize that its the internet and the only thing I can do is prove to people that you're a racist piece of dirt, so sure, ignore me.

But I shouldn't have to search the internet and get documents to "prove" that the Holocaust happened. It is well-known knowledge that it did happen. You're insane person's rantings and dumbass articles don't prove anything against the common knowledge of people who aren't f*cking anti-semis.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

stated my opinion and posted documents proving my point.You are simply lost becuase you have no counter arguement.

You haven't proved anything, boy. All you've done is stated a particularly noxious and offensive opinion. There doesn't need to be a counter argument to your drivel, because you're arguing against repeatedly proven facts.

You are walking a very, very fine line at the moment - you're lucky I'm in a relatively good mood.

 

[Yuri]

Actually, looking back, Lemonking, you didn't cite one source for your anti-semi opinions. Unless I missed something, your whole edit thing just makes you seem even more stupid.

Funny, the Wiki article about that guy states

In 1984 Zündel was criminally charged for "disseminating and publishing material denying the Holocaust."

If its a criminal offense in Canada, why isn't it a bannable offense here?

 

[gick]

Lemonking,

Get the f*ck off our forums with your anti-semitism bullshit. You are not welcome here. I have no idea how you were able to be unbanned, but I am looking forward to the day when you are banned again. As much as your extreme stupidity, ignorance, and racism is entertaining to make fun of, its just getting ridiculous.

Awww, please dont get him banned. Lemonking is living proof that holocaust deniers are ill-educated dumbasses. He does a lot more good making a fool of himself than he would if the mods just banned him.

 

[Yuri]

Awww, please dont get him banned. Lemonking is living proof that holocaust deniers are ill-educated dumbasses. He does a lot more good making a fool of himself than he would if the mods just banned him.

I used to agree with you, but now he just makes me sick and I want him to go away.

 

[Ome_Vince]

When theThe Red Cross arrived they couldnt find Gas Chambers 2 kill people s in Auschwitz.

Hey dude, i suggest you take a trip to Auswitch ( like i did ) and see for yourself the mess the nazi's made...
Where's the Red Cross even stating/hinting they didnt find Gas Chambers? Hundreds of thousands of people who were send to Auswitch died (got gassed).

I always find conspiracy theories fun and entertaining, but this is screwed up, and i usually only hear this kind of stuff from neo-nazi's...

You think that if there werent so many Jews gassed, that germans "after the war" wouldnt have protested and said wtf we didnt do that much?
At the trials in Israel of Eichman, and in Nuremberg, none of the former-nazi's denied exterminating the jews or so much of them??

The allies(48 countries) including the russians ( consider these were enemies even before the war ended) would have to "lie" about the gasschambers and millions of jews, even when in 3-4 Israeli wars Russia supported Arab countries to destroy Israel...

Your saying the whole world who didnt like each other, and in many cases Israel, would have to lie about this?? Thats not even funny man...

o, and:

Why is it that Israel doesnt want Russia to realease "the deathlogs"???

You think Russia would listen to Israel.... (note, after 3-4 wars in which Russia actively aided the Arabs to destroy Israel)


Gotto love Wikipedia:

While a few Holocaust deniers have training as historians, some of their most prominent representatives have been shown in court to have a pattern of falsifying historical documents (e.g. David Irving) or deliberately misrepresenting historical data (e.g. Ernst Zündel). This history of Holocaust deniers distorting, ignoring, or misusing historical records has led to almost universal condemnation of the techniques and conclusions of Holocaust denial, with organizations such as the American Historical Association, the largest society of historians in the United States, stating that Holocaust denial is "at best, a form of academic fraud."

 

[Sulkdodds]

Let's get this thread back on track, and off whether or not the holocaust happened (it absolutely did, you stupids).

how come you get offended by something that's not even related to you, but you expect muslims not to get offended by those cartoons?

Do you need it explaining again? Nobody is saying Muslims aren't allowed to get offended. Muslims have every right to get offended, to campaign peacefully for the removal of the cartoons and to sue the hell out of the Danish newspaper if they think they're going to win. That's how freedom of speech works; you can say pretty much anything and that means that anybody can say pretty much anything against you to. It works both ways. I'm allowed to insult islam (if I should so desire); you're allowed to get offended and insult me. However, they don't have a right to go around burning shit and getting people killed.

THEREFORE:

If Iran publishes a load of holocaust cartoons then everybody else has every right to get offended, to campaign peacefull against them and to sue the hell out of the cartoonists. Everyone has every right to say how much bullshit it is. And no matter how much you or I or anyone else here bitches, we're not being hypocrites until we start burning Iranian embassies and rioting in the streets. It's funny because I don't see any of that happening (if it is happening then that's ****ing stupid and reprehensible...bad show, free(ish) world!). All I see is a load of people going 'oh, that's horrid' which they're quite within their rights to do just as Muslims are allowed to say things like 'Wow, I find that cartoon very offensive.'

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

So, if you'll excuse my being rude, you can f*ck right off with your bullshit about how we're all being hypocrites to be offended by holocaust cartooons. The point is that where the Islamic extremists (note that I didn't say 'Islamic world' because there are some upstanding Muslims that are against the violence; I very much respect them for that) are causing people's deaths where the western world simply says 'oh, shocking bad show!'

PS.
Although it is true that the Israeli government uses the Holocaust as a political tool, and it is true that, as someone said in Munich, 'suffering for a thousand years doesn't necessarily mean you're in the right', none of that changes the fact that THE HOLOCAUST WAS NOT EXAGGERATED.

 

[Asknoone]

Jerkasaur...Lemonking...... :|

 

[jerkasaur]

i'm telling you again, muslims, at least the shiaat as i know pretty much, is forbidded to kill unless it's defending itself, meaning if someone wants to kill you, you're allowed to defend yourself. i don't know if anyone got killed for the recent events, but if it's happened, i'm sorry and i'm against it. as for campaigning peacefully for the removal of the cartoons, they asked the danish government to appoligize, they didn't, and not even that, germany and france and US and others actually defended them, now that's what pisses off the muslims.
it's always like this, consider Erestheux for example, he tried to tell lemonking "peacefully" to shut up about holocaust, but when it doesn't go the way he wants, he'll goes for violance and asks for ban, it's pretty much natural and i wouldn't be surprised if he asked for my ban too. violence is a begining for peace, you of all people should know that sulk.

 

[Direwolf]

Why in the heck should the Danish government apologize? Ignoring the free speech issues and all that, the Danish government didn't DO anything. They are not accountable for what a newspaper writes.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

1) Why would the Danish government have to apologise for what the Danish press decided to publish? The two aren't related.

2) A forum ban is not a violent act.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Let's clear something up jerka:

-Newspaper has a right to show cartoons.
-Muslims have a right to be offended.
-Newspaper has the right to not care.

The extremists are in the wrong.

-Lemonking has the right to be a dumbass.
-Pi has the right to remove lemonking from this privately-run website.

Lemonking is bannable.

It's pretty simple.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Second that DireWolf.
Like i said, the Danes broke no laws, even generalising all Danish people because one of their newspaper hires a cartoonist to make these cartoons is rediculous. The west needs not to apologise for a mocking cartoon aimed at fundementalists...

They mock extremists who use Islam for violance, not Islam as a whole..

I'd also like to point at the "forbidded unless its defending itself". Thats pretty vague since "who's attacking who" is from a certain point of view and certain knowledge.... For all i know muslims who riot see this cartoon as an "attack" on Islam justifying their actions (and opening the door for legal killing)..
I know moderate muslims wouldnt do that, but can you see the danger here??

 

[jerkasaur]

They mock extremists who use Islam for violance, not Islam as a whole..

how come the newspaper never stated that? what would you think if you saw your prophet in a "no-comments" caricature with that look?
i'm totally against those who use islam as an excuse for the wrong things they do, and you could see that from my past posts, i think they are not even muslims and the should die. but those cartoons were wrong.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Jerkasaur, because the Cartoons show that and the Cartoonist stated that aswell.
He said they were not going to apologise, and it was targetted at extremist muslims not moderate ones.

I know Muslims dont want non-islamic people playing around with their prophet in general. But when cartoonists and critics target extremists for mocking, the moderate ones shouldnt get offended imo...
Here Theo van Gogh ( in holland ), who was a vip got killed in the streets by muslims because he wanted to protest against extremist muslims who used the Qu'ran to justify beating up their wife.
His protest was: a beat-up muslim women with Qu'ran text on her half-naked body.
That act basically signed his death...
Although he targetted the extremists who do that, the fact that he was a christian ( his partner was a muslim btw ), playing around with Qu'ran text meant he had to die..

My point is not at its "insensitive" part, for i wouldnt publish them just because i dont want to create these problems whether im right or not.
My point is, that looking at the world as a whole, extremists and fundementalists have been mocked everywhere and people should continue to do so.
Christians, Jews, atheists, politicians, nazi's etc etc.
Its part of the free world. That muslim extremists would be targetted was only a matter of time.
We need to wake-up these maniacs and through a funny cartoon show them how rediculous they are.

You tell me how the press/cartoons can put this:
"lets mock extremist muslims who use the Qu'ran and Mohammed as excuse for violance ultimatly destroying their own religion" -> into a cartoon muslims wouldnt get offended by?

 

[jerkasaur]

did it really need that "muhammed" tag? NO.

 

[Direwolf]

As with most awful things in life, this stems from a total lack of a sense of humor.

 

[baxter]

i'm telling you again, muslims, at least the shiaat as i know pretty much, is forbidded to kill unless it's defending itself, meaning if someone wants to kill you, you're allowed to defend yourself. i don't know if anyone got killed for the recent events, but if it's happened, i'm sorry and i'm against it. as for campaigning peacefully for the removal of the cartoons, they asked the danish government to appoligize, they didn't, and not even that, germany and france and US and others actually defended them, now that's what pisses off the muslims.

I’m sorry but are you actually trying to hold governments accountable for the publication of these cartoons?

My understanding is that they were published in a Danish newspaper, all twelve of them. I have no doubt at all, even though I have not seen them, that they are highly offensive towards Muslims.

As a Citizen of the UK I’m sure you will know and understand that we actually pride ourselves on our diverse and multicultural society and as such it will also be understandable that these highly offensive cartoons are in no way reflective of the British views on Muslims.

I would really appreciate you stop trying to tar the west, as though we all agree and find these type of things amusing( which I’m sure they are not)They are no more representative of The West’s views on Muslims than cartoons soon to come out of Iran will reflect our views on the Jewish people.

Equally so, when people are confronted by images of Muslims dressing as suicide bombers and holding placards calling for westerners to be beheaded during demonstrations against these cartoons, it is offensive, but common sense, logic and reasons assures most they these are the extreme minority who do not represent the views of Muslims.

Therein lies the point no matter how annoyed you get at these types of thing, whether they be offensive cartoons, make believe suicide bombers or banners calling for beheading it has to be stated that these represent a tiny minority of our culture. If you allow your mindset to be swayed by this minority then you are no better them the perpetrators of the very actions you seek to condemn.

And as such if Germany, the US, France or another western government are, as you say actually defending these cartoons, it will not be the content of them but the freedom and the right to publish them

So why should western Governments, the voice of our countries, apologies for these cartoons? ...........They shouldn’t as they are not endorsed or sanctioned by any western Government and do not represent the views of the majority.

 

[Sulkdodds]

as for campaigning peacefully for the removal of the cartoons, they asked the danish government to appoligize, they didn't, and not even that, germany and france and US and others actually defended them, now that's what pisses off the muslims.

Too bad. The Danish government has no obligation to apologise. The newspaper already has; the point is that the government can't interfere with what the newspaper says. It's ridiculous to expect them to do so.

 

[Yuri]

it's always like this, consider Erestheux for example, he tried to tell lemonking "peacefully" to shut up about holocaust, but when it doesn't go the way he wants, he'll goes for violance and asks for ban, it's pretty much natural and i wouldn't be surprised if he asked for my ban too. violence is a begining for peace, you of all people should know that sulk.

Dude. You just compared actually being violent to some forum trash-talk. I fail to see the comparison. At all.

 

[AzzMan]

Just got done watching the Colbert Report and they had something about this. He said the extremists were using the cartoons to get back at all those blonde haired blue eyed Danish Jews, and in cations on the screeen said "both of them" , made me LOL

 

[Asknoone]

it's always like this, consider Erestheux for example, he tried to tell lemonking "peacefully" to shut up about holocaust, but when it doesn't go the way he wants, he'll goes for violance and asks for ban,

Wow...thats like, violence to the extreme :|

 

[Ome_Vince]

This was in the news today: "apparantly experts are suspecting these riots were planned from top->down. So governments or Al Qaeda or whatever, but the cartoons are old.
They suspect + had reports that Imams in these countries were spreading these cartoons and inciting revolts in Mosques.
Several muslim governments had allready had those cartoons in december, and discussed them.
The "experts" think polarization and a revival of anti-west hatred were the motives, in trying to unite muslims against the west ( by Al Qaeda )."

Now im not saying its true, or that i fully believe this, for it just could be some wild goose chase the media is in, but its an interesting investigation which sparks some questions as to how this "bomb of anger" could blow up at this time with so many angry muslims?
Is this the first time somebody mocked Muhammed? No, i gave you the example of the Dutch VIP who got killed -> his movie was equally "offensive" ( had Qu'ran text in it ).
Its also a Danish newspaper wtf...
Im really curious what this investigation will come up with.

Also i see Europe is :

Cartoon row: EU urges media code

Source
So they're trying to setup/debate a voluntary code to prevent this kind of stuff (probably will turn into a law one day like most things in the freekin EU ).

Seems the crits win again..

 

[dream431ca]

Oh boy, this thread has really run it's mill.

 

[TheAmazingRando]

http://lolterrorism.ytmnd.com/

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Reprehensible/stupid but whatever. They've every right to do it, haven't they?

Tell you what ... If I, a flamming Homosexual, could waltz right into the Iranian's Newspaper place/office/abode, and get published my Cartoons ... then I might believe not so much as your statement, but the word IN it.

Right

I believe the only thing with rights over there is the government IMHO.

 

[Jintor]

The right to remain silent? Freedom of the Press?

 

[Hectic Glenn]

People who question the holocaust sicken me...what do you think happened? I have jewish blood and my great grandparents and their sisters/brothers/parents and friends disappeared. They were taken away and killed in the various camps in poland. Lemonking you should be ashamed of yourself for brushing something off so real, and so appauling. What goes around comes around matey...i'd be ****ing worried if were as a pathetic human as you. Good day.

 

[Ome_Vince]

BTw, i'd like to point-out that one of the holocaust denials argumentation, other than twisting of facts, is based on "you cant burn that many corpses in those ovens".
Since WW2 is one of my "favourite" era's to read about, lemme explain to you holocaust deniers what the germans did.
Nearing the end of the war, the Germans figured, "crap! we dont want to world to findout we slaughtered millions of jews..."
They hadnt burnt most of the bodies, they just made mass graves and burried them...
So in the last year or so, massive resources were used by the SS to dig up those bodies and burn them in the open sky, and/or destroy the bodies ( all kinds of ways to do this ).
There are plenty of books about this, and even Eichman states this in his last book ( after his conviction in Israel).
In movies this is often illustrated by the "ash-rain"...
They tried there best to hide this carnage, so if anything the numbers would be more, not less...