Is the USA slowly becoming fascist?!?

[NeptuneUK]

honestly. whats happening over there dudes? :angry:

14 characteristics of fascism

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Well facists might have certain characteristics, but having those characteristics doesn't make you facist.

 

[The Monkey]

Not as long as we europeans are here to look after them.

 

[Steve]

Not as long as we europeans are here to look after them.

Can we stay up an extra hour and bomb Iraq, Europe?

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Can we stay up an extra hour and bomb Iraq, Europe?

Only if you clean it up before you go to bed..

 

[Kristafon]

America is just a very very sad country and if you live thee I feel sorry for you, espcially if you are a homosexual or a woman with an unwanted pregnancy. If you fully suport Bush, well **** you dumb asshole!

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

America is just a very very sad country and if you live thee I feel sorry for you, espcially if you are a homosexual or a woman with an unwanted pregnancy. If you fully suport Bush, well **** you dumb asshole!

When was the last time you visited the US...specifically all of it? Because you sound like a man speaking from up to date, full cover knowledge to say something like that.

 

[The Mullinator]

America is just a very very sad country and if you live thee I feel sorry for you, espcially if you are a homosexual or a woman with an unwanted pregnancy. If you fully suport Bush, well **** you dumb asshole!

You do realize that different parts of the US have different attitudes. As for laws, well gays, women, and women having abortions have for the most part pretty much the exact same rights as any other western nation.

 

[Johan_Tayn]

America is just a very very sad country and if you live thee I feel sorry for you, espcially if you are a homosexual or a woman with an unwanted pregnancy. If you fully suport Bush, well **** you dumb asshole!

spoken like a true twelve year old! Change the world today, one person at a time, eh? ;-) Tell me your cause so that I may study in its practices so that one day, I, too, may partake and change the world half as much as you just did! :E

 

[B.Calhoun]

America is just a very very sad country and if you live thee I feel sorry for you, espcially if you are a homosexual or a woman with an unwanted pregnancy. If you fully suport Bush, well **** you dumb asshole!

Why would you feel sorry for the most powerful country in the world?

You think life here is so much different, well its not. People go about there business everyday just like everywhere else--we are not always talking about gay rights or abortions either. So please shut the **** up.

 

[Kristafon]

Actually I visited the USA during the elections and got a very good idea of what was going on, thankyou. I have read the books and seen the movies by Micheal Moore. I do actually know a lot of reasons why the USA sucks, about both the goverment and corporal empires, and there more than friendly relationship with each other. Some of it has been given to me in a negative light, others in a positive light that I have seen striaght though.
For example, I saw a pro Bush commercial telling us how Kerry shouldnt be predisent because he told the world what really happend in the Vietnam war. Not praising him for uncovering the lies that the goverment kept, but criticisinig.
Lately the USA has retracted, yes retracted the right for homesexauls to marry. Thats progress for you! Sure! Lots of progress, including research into genetics which could help save lives, progress in stopping the wave of gun crime. That is, stopping the gentic research and legalising new and more powefull guns.
The USA is the worlds polluter, thet account for massive amounts of pollution. Remember that progress i was talking about? The USA is trying to stop agreements to lower the amount of gasses being emmited. The goverment dosent do anything to guide people away from using SUV's and less fuel by taxing it, that way the oil companies get more money, remember shell anyone? Well you might, unless the goverment has tried to block it from you.
And of course there is Iraq, all round I think our prime minster is a good polititan, not persercuting gays and increasing the amount of gun crime and all. There one place where the admiration has stopped is of course the Iraq war, luckily however we are making a smaller mess of it than you. Throught it happening the USA has encouraged the breeding of hate between both its enemies and its allies. Prisoner torturing anyone? American troops have been spraying anti-UK messages on the wall, something about tea siping I do belive. You would think they could just, get along and not shoot themselves in the foot.
And of course there is the 'bay, the USA deribatley put it in cuba so that it wouldnt have to comply with the laws of "freedom" and "democracy" that the USA has been founded on.
Getting back to the persacution of people who where born with a different sexuality than us. One of those keywords again "freedom", that being "freedom" not to be christian and "freedom" of speech. Putting gays (how dare they not be hetrosexual!) in a positive light is on its way to being banned, and the word "evoluton" has been banned from textbooks. What do you mean your not a christian, what do you mean you belive in a different expliantion to our world, were a christian country that still holds by old fashioned and misinterpreted christian values so you will comply! The word "freedom" has become so rediculosly untrue.
Hmm, rigged election, less said the better.
I could go on forever, but I think I should end my twelve year old response here.

 

[Operation Ivy]

Actually I visited the USA during the elections and got a very good idea of what was going on, thankyou. I have read the books and seen the movies by Micheal Moore. I do actually know a lot of reasons why the USA sucks, about both the goverment and corporal empires, and there more than friendly relationship with each other. Some of it has been given to me in a negative light, others in a positive light that I have seen striaght though.
For example, I saw a pro Bush commercial telling us how Kerry shouldnt be predisent because he told the world what really happend in the Vietnam war. Not praising him for uncovering the lies that the goverment kept, but criticisinig.
Lately the USA has retracted, yes retracted the right for homesexauls to marry. Thats progress for you! Sure! Lots of progress, including research into genetics which could help save lives, progress in stopping the wave of gun crime. That is, stopping the gentic research and legalising new and more powefull guns.
The USA is the worlds polluter, thet account for massive amounts of pollution. Remember that progress i was talking about? The USA is trying to stop agreements to lower the amount of gasses being emmited. The goverment dosent do anything to guide people away from using SUV's and less fuel by taxing it, that way the oil companies get more money, remember shell anyone? Well you might, unless the goverment has tried to block it from you.
And of course there is Iraq, all round I think our prime minster is a good polititan, not persercuting gays and increasing the amount of gun crime and all. There one place where the admiration has stopped is of course the Iraq war, luckily however we are making a smaller mess of it than you. Throught it happening the USA has encouraged the breeding of hate between both its enemies and its allies. Prisoner torturing anyone? American troops have been spraying anti-UK messages on the wall, something about tea siping I do belive. You would think they could just, get along and not shoot themselves in the foot.
And of course there is the 'bay, the USA deribatley put it in cuba so that it wouldnt have to comply with the laws of "freedom" and "democracy" that the USA has been founded on.
Getting back to the persacution of people who where born with a different sexuality than us. One of those keywords again "freedom", that being "freedom" not to be christian and "freedom" of speech. Putting gays (how dare they not be hetrosexual!) in a positive light is on its way to being banned, and the word "evoluton" has been banned from textbooks. What do you mean your not a christian, what do you mean you belive in a different expliantion to our world, were a christian country that still holds by old fashioned and misinterpreted christian values so you will comply! The word "freedom" has become so rediculosly untrue.
Hmm, rigged election, less said the better.
I could go on forever, but I think I should end my twelve year old response here.

o and yuor country is perfect and has no problems like these
and the differnece between USA and Europe isnt that great, remember USA is Europes brother

 

[satch919]

Its possible. Its not that bad yet but anything could happen within the next 10 years.

There would have to be some major change in this country in order for it to slip into that kind of dictatorship. Not only would the various political parties have to agree to it, it would also take the destruction of our Constitution, and the American people to buy into it.

I think the people would fight it though. At least I hope they wouldn't be so stupid to just stand on the sidelines and let it happen.

We shall see.

 

[Shad0hawK]

honestly. whats happening over there dudes? :angry:

14 characteristics of fascism

actually france is much more closer to being fascist than the US is. i really do not see how the US is becoming fascist especially considering some of the wacky laws being passed in european countries now.

 

[Kristafon]

actually france is much more closer to being fascist than the US is. i really do not see how the US is becoming fascist especially considering some of the wacky laws being passed in european countries now.

Hmm I have doubts over the truth of that. I know they dared not to support the Iraq war but thats no reason to say they are facist

 

[Operation Ivy]

Hmm I have doubts over the truth of that. I know they dared not to support the Iraq war but thats no reason to say they are facist

and where did he say that was the reason for becoming facist?

 

[Shad0hawK]

Hmm I have doubts over the truth of that. I know they dared not to support the Iraq war but thats no reason to say they are facist

america has passed no laws prohibiting the burning or defacement of the national flag in protest, france has.

america has passed no laws prohibiting the mocking or disrespecting the national anthem, france has.

america has not passed laws discriminatory against islam(yet anyway), france has.

need i go on? perhaps you could elucidate exactly how french society is freer than american society.

BTW the iraq war is irrelevent to this discussion.

 

[Kristafon]

america has passed no laws prohibiting the burning or defacement of the national flag in protest, france has.

america has passed no laws prohibiting the mocking or disrespecting the national anthem, france has.

america has not passed laws discriminatory against islam(yet anyway), france has.

need i go on? perhaps you could elucidate exactly how french society is freer than american society.

BTW the iraq war is irrelevent to this discussion.

im not sure what the "anit-islam" laws are, unless you are talking about the law on not wearing special religous clothes or items in school
I think the massive amount of commercial corruption in america makes France's quirks partically nothing. France has put in indeed petty laws to stop it citizens undermining its nationalism. However it is not, mainly, the citizens of America that are going against its patriotic inheritance but its politians. I have already said how America makes its so called "freedom" and "democracy" rediculous. I have said how politiains have taken away freedom of sexuality and speech, as for democracy I do belive Bush didnt actually win the election, so that goes down the drain. However its freedom that is the main concern here, France is indeed more free than America. The French are allowed to be homosexual without being persocuted, they are allowed freedom of speech, including talking about evolution, the French media are free to critisise the goverment without being attacked by its readers and viewers, the French are free to go out without fear of being gunned down, the French are free to go about their daily buisness without having there persons and homes raided without explination, free from the commercial mindwarping that is becoming redicoulos in america, free from a goverment that tells them that they are in constant danger from terrorists (which the french arent, because some nations dont go around being cruel to thirld world nations) so I think there is a hole load of freedom there thankyou.

 

[kirovman]

america has passed no laws prohibiting the burning or defacement of the national flag in protest, france has.

america has passed no laws prohibiting the mocking or disrespecting the national anthem, france has.

america has not passed laws discriminatory against islam(yet anyway), france has.

need i go on? perhaps you could elucidate exactly how french society is freer than american society.

BTW the iraq war is irrelevent to this discussion.

Not specifically, but I believe you could be tried under the patriot act in some way or another.

 

[Incitatus]

reading most of these posts I can think only one thing: My god Europe is going down the drain, I'm moving to the US as soon as bloody possible.

As for those characteristics of fascism, most of the don't apply AT aLL to the US unless you believe petty European propaganda. A few apply to many more systems of government than just fascism. And the rest are simply wrong.

I'd just like to end this post by saying that many European nations have a serious propaganda efoort underway to convince the public of the evil of America. Such a policy is only common sense, it is contrived to increase the position of Europe on the world stage especially in the view of it's own citizens. This facilitates a quicker and surer integration. These of course are my own opinions and observations but from a strategic point of view I think they make very good sense.
This policy has been very successful.

On the international stage the Europeans, excluding some nations (UK, Holland, Poland, etc) have been playing a very dangerous game and are loosing. Not good I hope they see the error soon.

oh and before I get flamed for not knowing what I'm talking about, I am actually a third year comparative politics student.

 

[Narcolepsy]

reading most of these posts I can think only one thing: My god Europe is going down the drain, I'm moving to the US as soon as bloody possible.

As for those characteristics of fascism, most of the don't apply AT aLL to the US unless you believe petty European propaganda. A few apply to many more systems of government than just fascism. And the rest are simply wrong.

I'd just like to end this post by saying that many European nations have a serious propaganda efoort underway to convince the public of the evil of America. Such a policy is only common sense, it is contrived to increase the position of Europe on the world stage especially in the view of it's own citizens. This facilitates a quicker and surer integration. These of course are my own opinions and observations but from a strategic point of view I think they make very good sense.
This policy has been very successful.

On the international stage the Europeans, excluding some nations (UK, Holland, Poland, etc) have been playing a very dangerous game and are loosing. Not good I hope they see the error soon.

oh and before I get flamed for not knowing what I'm talking about, I am actually a third year comparative politics student.

I agree.

Stereotypes are a very evil thing. America is a country full of rednecks, France is a country full of gays, China is full of idiots that speak broken English (me love you longtime), the UK is full of ugly men with buck teeth... Or so propaganda would lead people to believe.

I sincerely believe that if you actually spend time in said countries, you'd see that people pretty much just go about their business.

On another note: the leader of a country does not represent the entire populace of his country. Legions of people here in the US hate Bush, and just as many despise Jaques Chirac.

 

[DiSTuRbEd]

I have read the books and seen the movies by Micheal Moore.

I stopped reading your post after you said that. :|

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

as for democracy I do belive Bush didnt actually win the election

3.5 Million vote difference. You may disagree with him, but he did win. Just as I disagree with Clinton's policies, etc, he still won a majority of the people agreeing with him during the election time.

The French are allowed to be homosexual without being persocuted

You are here, too.

they are allowed freedom of speech, including talking about evolution

Since when have I not been allowed to talk about evolution or follow it?

the French media are free to critisise the goverment without being attacked by its readers and viewers

We have no state media or state news network, no federal driven propoganda machine like other nations. The right of the people to criticize free (FREE NEWS, this is OTHER citizens reporting) news is an essential part of freedom of speech. First you said we had none, then you berate the fact that we are able to question fraudulent news (IE: Dan Rather)

the French are free to go out without fear of being gunned down

The second amendment and right to carry laws have been shows to significantly reduce crime.

Ten states adopted right to carry concealed handgun laws between 1972 and 1992 (Lott, More Guns, Less Crime 11). Following the ten states’ adoption of these laws, there was found to be no change in suicide rates, a .5% increase in accidental gun deaths, a 5% decline in rape, a 7% decline in aggravated assault, and an 8% decline in murder (Lott, More Guns, Less Crime 11). In these right to carry states, as of 1998, no permit holder has ever used his gun against a police officer. There are several cases where a permit holder protected an officer’s life (Lott More Guns, Less Crime 11). There is only one documented case of a permit holder using his gun after a car accident, and it was determined to be in self defense (Lott, More Guns, Less Crime 11). Supporting the rights of gun owners, another study by Dr. John Lott determined that guns are used between 764,000 and 3.6 million times a year (Lott, Issues 39). Statistics given by gun control advocates often omit instances of self defense where the firearm itself is not discharged, but simply shown and the aggressor cowers (Lott, Issues 39).

Less than .02% (2/1000) of privately owned handguns were used in homicides in 1992

the French are free to go about their daily buisness without having there persons and homes raided without explination

Can you give me one instance of this happening?

free from the commercial mindwarping that is becoming redicoulos in america

Commercial mindwarping? Now you're just starting to sound like an extreme left wing conspiracy nut. Please, cite an example.

free from a goverment that tells them that they are in constant danger from terrorists (which the french arent, because some nations dont go around being cruel to thirld world nations)

We pay taxes for security, so I appreciate the government having a warning system, which if anything, isn't stressed ENOUGH.

 

[Lemonking]

Micheal Moore is DICK HEAD HE TALKS SHIT ALL THE TIME
All he wants is attension

 

[Lemonking]

Kristafon u should think before u post BS

 

[Kristafon]

Lemonking I actually took time to think of a response rather than the hugely informative-
DICK HEAD HE TALKS SHIT ALL THE TIME

 

[Kristafon]

3.5 Million vote difference. You may disagree with him, but he did win. Just as I disagree with Clinton's policies, etc, he still won a majority of the people agreeing with him during the election time.


1. You are here, too.


2. Since when have I not been allowed to talk about evolution or follow it?


3. We have no state media or state news network, no federal driven propoganda machine like other nations. The right of the people to criticize free (FREE NEWS, this is OTHER citizens reporting) news is an essential part of freedom of speech. First you said we had none, then you berate the fact that we are able to question fraudulent news (IE: Dan Rather)



4 The second amendment and right to carry laws have been shows to significantly reduce crime.

Ten states adopted right to carry concealed handgun laws between 1972 and 1992 (Lott, More Guns, Less Crime 11). Following the ten states’ adoption of these laws, there was found to be no change in suicide rates, a .5% increase in accidental gun deaths, a 5% decline in rape, a 7% decline in aggravated assault, and an 8% decline in murder (Lott, More Guns, Less Crime 11). In these right to carry states, as of 1998, no permit holder has ever used his gun against a police officer. There are several cases where a permit holder protected an officer’s life (Lott More Guns, Less Crime 11). There is only one documented case of a permit holder using his gun after a car accident, and it was determined to be in self defense (Lott, More Guns, Less Crime 11). Supporting the rights of gun owners, another study by Dr. John Lott determined that guns are used between 764,000 and 3.6 million times a year (Lott, Issues 39). Statistics given by gun control advocates often omit instances of self defense where the firearm itself is not discharged, but simply shown and the aggressor cowers (Lott, Issues 39).

Less than .02% (2/1000) of privately owned handguns were used in homicides in 1992



5. Can you give me one instance of this happening?


6. Commercial mindwarping? Now you're just starting to sound like an extreme left wing conspiracy nut. Please, cite an example.


7. We pay taxes for security, so I appreciate the government having a warning system, which if anything, isn't stressed ENOUGH.

1. Well, lets take counter stike as an example. When I play as on european server things usually go pretty smoothly. When I play on an american server I constantly see "fag" and "gay boy" being used. Putting homosexuals in a good light in book us supposedly to be banned. Zealous christian groups send out anti-gay propoganda. Gay rights are being revoked. Its undeniable- there is a huge anti homosexual feeling in the USA

2. Well schools are often not allowed to talk about it, and in some states it is banned from textbooks

3. I think fradulent news I all you are getting. As a nation the USA demands the media to agree 100 percent with what the goverment do without question. Therefore all you get is a one sided view on how SUPER Iraq it and how BRILLAINT evrything is going. Try watching the BBC news, you will be amazed to see the truth before you, the atrocities in the middle east, unhidden and undistoreted. It good that the USA has a free media, it is just unfortunate that as a country you have turned it into something that abides by the goverment, no questions asked.

4. None of your statistics,which I am at two minds about, can compensate for the horror of the school shootings and massacers than keep happening. True, they are a tiny minority but that dosent stop the USA from having the most casulties from gun crime in the developed world. They cut crime you say, how about banning then for a few years, then look at crime rates when people cant freely buy firearms and gun people down.

5. Im not going on google so I can find enough links to prove you wrong. The patriot act is bad enough in its concept- the goverment can freely arrest you or raid your home without explination. There are stories of people indeed becoming victims of it, try watching Farenhight 9/11 and get anouther viewpoint for once in your life.

6. Companies hire phychologists so they can subnimaly force you into buying something, I dont mean by putting in hidden messages of BUY ME in adverts, I mean the way they make a hint at the fact you HAVE to buy this whether you want it or not. There was one fine day when a commerical would say "if you want this then buy this", today they just say "you want this now buy this".

7. You are NOT going to die from terrorism, more people died in 2001 from ciggarettes than terrorism, LOTS more. Approximatley a spetmeber eleventh's worth every couple of days.

 

[Tr0n]

No America is not becoming fascist...You may think we are a stupid people...but if something like that happend there would be another civil war.

 

[Shad0hawK]

im not sure what the "anit-islam" laws are, unless you are talking about the law on not wearing special religous clothes or items in school
I think the massive amount of commercial corruption in america makes France's quirks partically nothing. France has put in indeed petty laws to stop it citizens undermining its nationalism. However it is not, mainly, the citizens of America that are going against its patriotic inheritance but its politians. I have already said how America makes its so called "freedom" and "democracy" rediculous. I have said how politiains have taken away freedom of sexuality and speech, as for democracy I do belive Bush didnt actually win the election, so that goes down the drain. However its freedom that is the main concern here, France is indeed more free than America. The French are allowed to be homosexual without being persocuted, they are allowed freedom of speech, including talking about evolution, the French media are free to critisise the goverment without being attacked by its readers and viewers, the French are free to go out without fear of being gunned down, the French are free to go about their daily buisness without having there persons and homes raided without explination, free from the commercial mindwarping that is becoming redicoulos in america, free from a goverment that tells them that they are in constant danger from terrorists (which the french arent, because some nations dont go around being cruel to thirld world nations) so I think there is a hole load of freedom there thankyou.

gays are free to be gay, and many people are openly gay. as far as freedom of speech, i have already outlined freedom of speech americans have that the french do not. if you do not believe me go in front of a french govt building and burn the french flag, and see what happens.

as far as france being cruel to third world nations, the french army recently mowed down a bunch of unarmed ivorians, and it was caught on film with one soldier caught with a leveled weapon firing into the crowd... but i suppose many were to busy griping about what the US does to really notice.

and BTW, muslim girls can still wear thier headscarves to school here in the US....why not france?

are we in danger from terrorists? well we have already been attacked, so i suppose that has really answered that question.

 

[Operation Ivy]

Well, lets take counter stike as an example. When I play as on european server things usually go pretty smoothly. When I play on an american server I constantly see "fag" and "gay boy" being used. Putting homosexuals in a good light in book us supposedly to be banned. Zealous christian groups send out anti-gay propoganda. Gay rights are being revoked. Its undeniable- there is a huge anti homosexual feeling in the USA

i should take you serious when u make comment about America based on a counter strike server hahahahaha

man u really need some better "sources" if your going to make an agrument

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

1. Well, lets take counter stike as an example. When I play as on european server things usually go pretty smoothly. When I play on an american server I constantly see "fag" and "gay boy" being used. Putting homosexuals in a good light in book us supposedly to be banned. Zealous christian groups send out anti-gay propoganda. Gay rights are being revoked. Its undeniable- there is a huge anti homosexual feeling in the USA

I'm betting you're playing with a ton of 11 to 12 year old CS kiddies, they're very immature. Gay rights haven't been changed at all, in fact the debate over gay marriage, if they gay marriage supporters had won, would have ADDED gay rights.

2. Well schools are often not allowed to talk about it, and in some states it is banned from textbooks

Schools ONLY teach evolution (and in some places teach both evolution and creationism if the student chooses). The debate raised is if they should not, or if they should be forced to teach both.

3. I think fradulent news I all you are getting. As a nation the USA demands the media to agree 100 percent with what the goverment do without question. Therefore all you get is a one sided view on how SUPER Iraq it and how BRILLAINT evrything is going. Try watching the BBC news, you will be amazed to see the truth before you, the atrocities in the middle east, unhidden and undistoreted. It good that the USA has a free media, it is just unfortunate that as a country you have turned it into something that abides by the goverment, no questions asked.

Are you KIDDING? The media RARELY presents good news from Iraq. The media is largely hostile to this administration, with the exception of Fox News and Talk Radio, which are more friendly to it. Try watching some of our news sources.

4. None of your statistics,which I am at two minds about, can compensate for the horror of the school shootings and massacers than keep happening. True, they are a tiny minority but that dosent stop the USA from having the most casulties from gun crime in the developed world. They cut crime you say, how about banning then for a few years, then look at crime rates when people cant freely buy firearms and gun people down.

By nature of the fact that they are criminals.. criminals won't turn in their handguns, etc, when called upon. You will only disarm the law abiding populace.

If you want to cut down on murder rates, you need harsher penalties, and no parole for violent criminals (which liberals, who are for banning guns, support)

70% of convicted murderers are lifelong career criminals, eliminating the myth of the “family passion crime.” In the 1990’s, 5,000 murders were committed by criminals on parole or early release. Had these criminals been serving their FULL sentence as the judge outlined, 5,000 people would still be alive today.

5. Im not going on google so I can find enough links to prove you wrong. The patriot act is bad enough in its concept- the goverment can freely arrest you or raid your home without explination. There are stories of people indeed becoming victims of it, try watching Farenhight 9/11 and get anouther viewpoint for once in your life.

F911 is full of so many editting tricks and outright lies that there is very little to be used for arguement. Smart editting on Moore's part, but very deceptive. Watch Celsius 41.11, the counterpoint movie. Every instance I've seen of the Patriot Act being enforced has been investigated afterwords by a panel, and I haven't seen a 'bad' use of it yet. In fact, on a game I used to play called Graal, one of the members of our community called in a bomb threat on a building in San Francisco, and it was the Patriot Act that helped nab him.

6. Companies hire phychologists so they can subnimaly force you into buying something, I dont mean by putting in hidden messages of BUY ME in adverts, I mean the way they make a hint at the fact you HAVE to buy this whether you want it or not. There was one fine day when a commerical would say "if you want this then buy this", today they just say "you want this now buy this".

Yes I must buy, I have no free will...

Please, I know what I am doing, there aren't that many stupid enough to see an ad say "You must buy this now!" and think that they have to. I buy at my free will what I please, the joy of capitalism

7. You are NOT going to die from terrorism, more people died in 2001 from ciggarettes than terrorism, LOTS more. Approximatley a spetmeber eleventh's worth every couple of days.

No, I doubt I will be, but thousands can be. Ciggarette smoking is their right to do, and they choose it. Mass murder is another. Not to mention the economic impact of a strike on the nation.

 

[falconwind]

I can't say with any certainty that the US will ever become a full-blown fascist nation... such things are usually left to dystopian sci-fi stories and novels by Harry Turtledove (awesome writer, btw).

I don't think anyone can argue that the US isn't right-leaning, and in some cases, pushing the limits of what can be called a secular state. If the US did become fascists, it would have to be done in nothing less than a revolution or coup. Such a thing would undoubtably lead to widespread civil unrest, especially in the cities.

Two points should be made clear:
This is primarily the fault of conservative politicians and the evangelical community. That is to say, the American people are not the ones that deserve our distain and disapproval, but rather the powers-that-be.

As I see it, the "normal" system of authority is this:

Law (influenced by Goverment, authority over Government)
^
Government (influenced by Public, authority over Public)
^
Public (influenced by Religion/Values, authority over Religion/Values)
^
Religion/Values (influenced by history)


Now, the order seems to be something like this:

Law (influenced by Government, authority over Government)
^
Government (influenced by Religion/Values, authority over Public)
^
Religion/Values (influenced by history, authority over Public)
^
Public (influenced by Religion/Values)


A small change in the order makes a large impact. It turns into quite a mess, I'm not sure if I have it straight, myself.

The second point is that whether communist or fascist, such extremist nations are historically temporary. If they do not run themselves into the ground like the USSR, then they are destroyed like Nazi Germany. However, in both these cases it was primarily the politically moderate countries in the world that contributed to their demise.

That is to say, that if the USA ever did turn fascist, the world would band together to keep them in check. I suppose that given the nuclear arsenal of the US, that China and Russian would suddenly be the main partners in a new "NATO-like" entity. Which would be very ironic.

 

[CptStern]

I'm betting you're playing with a ton of 11 to 12 year old CS kiddies, they're very immature. Gay rights haven't been changed at all, in fact the debate over gay marriage, if they gay marriage supporters had won, would have ADDED gay rights.

what? the right to eat babies? :upstare: they are not equal, allowing gay marriage makes it equal

Schools ONLY teach evolution (and in some places teach both evolution and creationism if the student chooses). The debate raised is if they should not, or if they should be forced to teach both.

why only christianity? why not Norse creation mythology or celtic or inuit? are you saying chritianity is the correct version? maybe we should go back to teaching that the world is flat. Thereis absolutely NO evidence that supports the idea of a biblical creation

Are you KIDDING? The media RARELY presents good news from Iraq. The media is largely hostile to this administration, with the exception of Fox News and Talk Radio, which are more friendly to it. Try watching some of our news sources.

did you expect smiles and sunshine? there are over 80 attacks daily on coalition troops, not to mention the car bombs, civilian casualties, acts of barbarism and horror that is associated with war. Fox"news" is outright deplorable in their propagandist coverage of the occupation of iraq.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

what? the right to eat babies? :upstare: they are not equal, allowing gay marriage makes it equal

I personally believe in allowing civil unions, but he was sayng that gay rights are being taken away, not the case at all, they've improved over the years very much so, everywhere in the civilized world.

why only christianity? why not Norse creation mythology or celtic or inuit? are you saying chritianity is the correct version? maybe we should go back to teaching that the world is flat. Thereis absolutely NO evidence that supports the idea of a biblical creation

I never stated support for creationism, I was disputing what he said. He said that in most schools you can't talk about evolution, I told him that evolution is the standard that is taught and it is rare nowadays to find creationism being taught; I was disputing his statement.

did you expect smiles and sunshine? there are over 80 attacks daily on coalition troops, not to mention the car bombs, civilian casualties, acts of barbarism and horror that is associated with war. Fox"news" is outright deplorable in their propagandist coverage of the occupation of iraq.

I disagree with you, very much so, but to keep things clear- your statement supports the point I was making. He claimed that our media is just made up of government appeasers. Not so at all, the MOST dissent comes from the media.

 

[CptStern]

I personally believe in allowing civil unions, but he was sayng that gay rights are being taken away, not the case at all, they've improved over the years very much so, everywhere in the civilized world.[/url]

sure, it's better (they're not persecuted as much, they wont go to jail for sodomy [in some jurisdictions], and they have their own tv shows :upstare: ...but they're still not equal when it comes to marriage

I never stated support for creationism, I was disputing what he said. He said that in most schools you can't talk about evolution, I told him that evolution is the standard that is taught and it is rare nowadays to find creationism being taught; I was disputing his statement.

I think he meant christian schools, not all schools

I disagree with you, very much so, but to keep things clear- your statement supports the point I was making. He claimed that our media is just made up of government appeasers. Not so at all, the MOST dissent comes from the media.

what exactly dont you agree with? the fact that war is brutal?

or that fox"news" is propagandist tripe?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I think he meant christian schools, not all schools

Nope, go back and read the quote of him talking about it, he has a seriously skewed view of America and incorrect presumptions.

what exactly dont you agree with? the fact that war is brutal?

or that fox"news" is propagandist tripe?

War IS brutal, but it was necessary to remove Hussein from power. Now the work of training Iraq's security must be completed so we can fully pull out.

Fox News later reported on the incorrect report you stated, I remember watching it, as everyone here was glued to the news channels during the initial invasion. I remember CNN reporting the same thing at first, and then both corrected that when it surfaced it was wrong. Probably just followed an account of someone who was there who was totally wrong themselves or got mixed up.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Stern is accusing a media source of being biased when all he does is browse commondreams.org aka extremistprogressiveliberal.org. Oh the irony.

PS Christian schools can teach whatever they please. They are mostly private institutions.

 

[willyd]

About the whole anti-gay thing in America. I must not agree. Queer eye for the straight guy.... yeah its a hit. Sure We (not actaully me, but my country) wont let them marry each other (they get civil unions) but they are allowed to make us look FABULOUS!!!!!!
Also I would like to say, I think the media of the US is unfair in treating our friends like france and also their media is unfair of treating us.
I say we should all just go to a pub and have a good time, besides on st pattys day everyones actually irish. :cheers:

 

[gh0st]

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[ZeeM]

actually france is much more closer to being fascist than the US is. i really do not see how the US is becoming fascist especially considering some of the wacky laws being passed in european countries now.

I don`t remember France invading any country recently?