Israeli captain who put 17 bullets into a Palestinian schoolgirl not guilty.

Lemonking asked me to post this for him =>

Lemonking totally agrees with Stern on this issue and also that Palastinians are living in unacceptable conditions and that Israel violates many UN resolutions.
 
Sulkdodds said:
What, so it's all lies? There are no Israeli atrocities? Only Palestinians kill innocent people? In my experience the only people who don't acknowledge that both sides are bastards are muslims I know, who are totally pro-palestine, and the jews I know, who are totally pro-Israel (what a surprise).
How is it?
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They say this becuase Ireal cause the anger that makes suicide bombers.
These people are driven by sadness greif and anger.
Palestine arn't bastards at all.
The people who shoot at Isreali soldiers, or who blow them up or whatever, are not bastards, there resistance fighters, and I side with them.

For no-one would have to die, if Isreal would just gtfo of Palestine, they have no rights to that land. They commit lots of atrocities, they kill children mothers fathers for little reason.

When youre families been killed, alot of people don't want to live any more, and this creates suicide bombers.
 
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I say we treat Israel the same way we treated Iraq.
 
There is no justification for the killing of an innocent child.

None at all.
 
Jintor said:
There is no justification for the killing of an innocent child.

None at all.
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*waits for someone to dispute*

By the way, I am of Palestinian decent, and I am willing to say I am saddened about hearing suicide bombs going off. I am against suicide bombings as a means of killing innocents. I am also against a massive war machine crushing and oppressing the lives of those unable to defend themselves. I am willing to state the wrongs commited by both sides, but, while this is surely biased, the perceptions I am getting lead me to believe that Israel is commiting crime after crime against the Palestinians and no one gives a hot damn. I eagerly await the day that some of the people who are in charge of the murder of the innocent Palestinians (and Israelis for that matter) to be put to justice. In reality, the list of attrocities commited by the Israelis would be substantially longer than those by Palestinian fighters. If a crime is comitted, no matter by who, an ethical person will tell you they should punished in terms that are just and fair and by no means more or less. Having said that, Israel should be investigated for war crimes against the Palestinians, and such charges should be taken seriously by the entire international community, including the US. But that's just a dream of a just and fair world.











As I mentioned before somewhere, I would also like to see a bear dance around in a pink tutu. Personally, I think this will happen a whole lot sooner.
 
I believe the bear dancing around in a pink tutu think has already happened, considering circuses, entertainment halls etc.

:D
 
I am also against a massive war machine crushing and oppressing the lives of those unable to defend themselves.
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They seemed properly able to defend themselves when the Arab Legion of 1966 rose to clean Israel from the middle east. But then that 1967 war happened ... and the Egyptians forgot ... er, I mean they chickened out in the face of Israel's air-power and the UN's call to stop the three day war, to have liberated "Palestine".

commiting crime after crime against the Palestinians
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When someone makes a thread about another suicide bombing or drive by shooting against Israeli's during a cease-fire agreement, I'll be sure to use this line! :p

In reality, the list of attrocities commited by the Israelis would be substantially longer than those by Palestinian fighters. If a crime is comitted,
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The biggest attrocity was that in 1945, 1946, 1947, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1963, 1965, 1967, more then eight middle-eastern countries (including Jordan and Palestine) wanted to finish Hitler's job with the holocaust by renewing interest in eliminating the Jewish refugee presence in and around Jerusalem. They failed in doing it all of those years, and for their aggressions, murders, assisinations, suicide bombings, and other forms of attrocities against Civilian or Military people, they almost rightfully deserve their fate now.

They've caused the world more pain in their idea's of peace, then in their idea's of war.

If things were switched, the Jews would be living in the same conditions as the Palestinians. You could'nt expect the Palestinians to be anymore lenient, if the fate of one civilization, a hated enemy, rested in their hands.
 
K e r b e r o s said:
If things were switched, the Jews would be living in the same conditions as the Palestinians. You could'nt expect the Palestinians to be anymore lenient, if the fate of one civilization, a hated enemy, rested in their hands.
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The crimes Isreal commit cause the hate.
Goddammit alot of the people killed by Isreal are children, you can't justify this in the least with that argument. If the roles were switched, and the state of Palestine were opressing Isreal then I would argue to free Isreal.

But Isreal are not oppressed, they are commiting atrocities in Palestine and need to gtfo.
 
Solaris said:
The crimes Isreal commit cause the hate.
Goddammit alot of the people killed by Isreal are children, you can't justify this in the least with that argument. If the roles were switched, and the state of Palestine were opressing Isreal then I would argue to free Isreal.

But Isreal are not oppressed, they are commiting atrocities in Palestine and need to gtfo.
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This man speaks truth. Lots of truth. Too much truth for the taste of most people around here me thinks.


AND WHERE IN THE HELL WAS THAT BEAR?!?!?!
 
Solaris said:
The crimes Isreal commit cause the hate.
Goddammit alot of the people killed by Isreal are children, you can't justify this in the least with that argument. If the roles were switched, and the state of Palestine were opressing Isreal then I would argue to free Isreal.

But Isreal are not oppressed, they are commiting atrocities in Palestine and need to gtfo.
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Guess what? Both sides commit atrocities. But that doesn't make the Palestinian or the Israeli people evil. You're judging a whole nation on a few people. Of all people, I thougt you'd be one for equality.

-Angry Lawyer
 
You judge the many by the actions of the few.
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Guess what? Both sides commit atrocities. But that doesn't make the Palestinian or the Israeli people evil. You're judging a whole nation on a few people. Of all people, I thougt you'd be one for equality.

-Angry Lawyer
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I'm judging a nation by the policies of its elected represenatives.
 
No, you're being judgemental, the same way as you express your dislike for anyone who chooses to believe in a God.

By your standards, I should hate you because Tony Blair got elected.

-Angry lawyer
 
Angry Lawyer said:
No, you're being judgemental, the same way as you express your dislike for anyone who chooses to believe in a God.

By your standards, I should hate you because Tony Blair got elected.

-Angry lawyer
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All though I didn't vote.
I do feel responcable, as all us Britians should for the Iraq war.
He was elected by us, so we are responcable for what he does.
By electing him I belive we have failed as a citizenry.
 
Sulkdodds said:
I seem to recall him being alright, at the start.
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Ditto. It seems power corrupts.
And the problem is he was and still is the best candidate out of the three. Anyone who complains about this however is a f****g retard imo. I hate it. People are always complaining "The three partys aare just as bad as each other, there all corrupt, Whats the point in voting ect." How about get out there and join a proper f****g party ffs. The partys wouldnt be the only main ones if we wern't part of them. But becuase people are too lazy this is what we have. So now we as a people are responcable for something as disgusting as our involvement on 'The war on terror'.

/rant
 
Yeah, well, of course then there's the problem of the inherent unfairness in our first-past-the-post voting system (it just completely breaks down when you try it with a multi-party system which is what Britain is becoming). The problem is that parties have now worked out that to win elections they need to go for more middle-of-the-road policies and reject extremism. These people, the 'middle people', are targetted above all others and grassroots Labour or Conservative voters in safe seats are completely ignored. Parties just don't bother anymore - not in places they don't need to. So they ignore the people in opposing constituencies and they ignore their core support (who might want a stronger, less watered-down ideology) and go straight for the middle-of-the-road, the floating voters who could go either way. Party supporters realise they're being ignored and don't bother. Party support becomes increasingly irrelevant. Parties realise this and target floating voters with middling policies. Core support dies as a result. Parties see core support dying and go for floating voters and OH NOES GOING IN CIRCLES!

Ahem.
 
Not too young to cause bother though...

*Kirovman shakes fist*

I'll get you Sulkdodds! If it's the last thing I do! D:
 
Hang on Kirvoman, can we shoot that scene again?

*Dresses Kirovman up like Dr Claw

annnd ACTION
 
Shh, it's my job to be condescending, not yours.

*shakes fist in an ineffectual old-man way*

-Angry Lawyer
 
The crimes Isreal commit cause the hate.
Goddammit alot of the people killed by Isreal are children,
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Open your eyes and see that the victims of both sides attacks are men, women, and children. You can't help but peg someone of age or sex, we humans are kind of diverse that way.

The only thing seperating Israel from Palestine in this instance is, Palestine actually uses children for military exercises, operations, executions, and terror attacks against Israel. Israel however, does'nt send children as young as four to die by suicide bombing them in Palestinian markets.

If your going to justify how Palestine fights, then I will justify Israel's method of fighting in one, swift stroke.

If for one moment in your life you dont want some wrong happening to those "beloved" Palestinian children, then perhaps someone should advise them not to do the following:

  1. Dress up like enemy combatants:
    http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/child1.jpgf87510.jpg
    http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/babykalashnikov_1_.jpgp87510.jpg
    http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/little_killers_1_.jpgx87478.jpg
    http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/showpic2_1_.jpgz87478.jpg <-The mentally handicapped child they forced to suicide bomb a checkpoint
    http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/pal_child_in_terror_camp.jpg
    http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/pal_children_in_terror_camp.jpg
    http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0qAAAAJE2lZAvDWKWkdsnWJ2FeL6u7!
    http://www.israel-wat.com/22.jpg
  2. Carrying weapons and participating in terror marches and attacks:
    http://www.israel-wat.com/child1.jpg
    http://www.israel-wat.com/parent2.jpg <- Child spotters to move terrorists accross checkpoints and borders
    http://www.israel-wat.com/child6.jpg
    http://www.israel-wat.com/jenin2a.jpg <- Children move through streets of Jenin, supporting adult Palestinian terrorists with RPG and PKM fire, Live video feed
    http://www.israel-wat.com/jenin2b.jpg <-Child shooting Machine pistol at passing IDF Soldiers
    http://www.israel-wat.com/jenin2c.jpg <- Palestinian children exchanging gunfire with IDF Soldiers in Jenin road
    http://www.israel-wat.com/kid.jpg
    http://www.israel-wat.com/kids21.jpg <- Children and Teenagers, armed, and a part of Palestinian Fatah
    http://www.israel-wat.com/kids22.jpg <- Palestinian Children brandish Kalashnikov Rifles during Palestinian Military Parade
    http://www.israel-wat.com/kids9.jpg <- Found on Yahoo, story for this was his AK47 Jammed up with dirt, so after an armed riot against an IDF movement, members of the Fatah lended him a slingshot and PO8 Luger
  3. Palestinian children and the mothers of, dressing their family members up as armed militants, making them targets of course:
    http://www.israel-wat.com/show12.jpg
  4. (( Kerberos Special! )) Palestinian children play real war, and REALLY execute their friend during a military parade who volunteered to dress up like a "show jew" (Thought this deserved its own seperate section):
    http://www.israel-wat.com/q6a.jpg
  5. Brandish more armed assault weapons, bombs, grenades, and terror attacks:
    http://www.israel-wat.com/q6q.jpg
    http://www.israel-wat.com/suicide.jpg
    http://www.israel-wat.com/suicide2.jpg
  6. Use Palestinian Children as shields and bait for SNIPERS, exchanging fire with IDF Troops
    http://www.israel-wat.com/x1.jpg
    http://www.israel-wat.com/march5.jpg <- Palestinian displaying Kazam Rocket Launcher
    http://www.israel-wat.com/march0.jpg <- Palestinian mother dresses son up as Martyr, parades him around military march trying to give him to Fatah
    http://www.israel-wat.com/g4k_eng.jpg <- PATV interview with Palestinian, and his "rifle"
  7. Official Palestinian Government trains its kids, violating UN Resolutions, to use weapons:
    http://www.israel-wat.com/q6e.jpg
    http://www.israel-wat.com/q6o.jpg
    http://www.israel-wat.com/q6g.jpg
    http://www.israel-wat.com/woman1.jpg
    http://www.israel-wat.com/q6s.jpg <- Palestinian children at terror camp
  8. Forcing their children to fight IDF Soldiers
    http://www.israel-wat.com/child4.jpg
    http://www.israel-wat.com/pic3.jpg
    http://www.israel-wat.com/q6p.jpg
    http://www.israel-wat.com/kids25.jpg
    CANNOT SHOW REST, THEY ARE ALL VIOLENT ENOUGH

They do it by choice, they do it by force ... and some of you romanticize about children fighting in war. I however, DONT.
 
 
Sulkdodds said:
Nothing can justify how either side fights.
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Palastine is not a side.
It has no united army or anything, just hundreds probably thousands of groups, that use different methods and tatics. Some kill children, some kill troops. Some I support some I don't.
 
One shot is an accident. Two shots in the head is an execution. SEVENTEEN shots in the body is a MUTILATION.
 
So, what exactly are we debating again?
 
The debate: what's worse: sending assorted children as suicide bombers to your enemy or your enemy shooting a girl in the wrong place at the wrong time, thinking she was a suicide bomber.

My thoughts - both sides are fu¢ked. It doesn't matter that he shot her once or 17 times, if I thought she was strapped with C4 and headed my way, there may have been more bullet holes. Maybe the other side shouldn't use kids as weapons of this sort? Maybe they should give peace a chance?
 
 
Adabiviak said:
The debate: what's worse: sending assorted children as suicide bombers to your enemy or your enemy shooting a girl in the wrong place at the wrong time, thinking she was a suicide bomber.

My thoughts - both sides are fu¢ked. It doesn't matter that he shot her once or 17 times, if I thought she was strapped with C4 and headed my way, there may have been more bullet holes. Maybe the other side shouldn't use kids as weapons of this sort? Maybe they should give peace a chance?
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From that standpoint, yeah, i can see why they riddled her with bulletholes, because of the real kid suicide bombers. Seriously, using kids as suicide bombers? You're as screwed as your enemy.
 
Even if you justify this by saying that 'it may have been a kiddie-bomber!' the fact that he walked over to the body and emptied a clip into her shows that he is a seriously deranged individual, and needs to be locked up.
 
^ Perhaps, but its what war does to people. How many more people should we lock up that have no stories like this ... yet? ... and how many of them are'nt soldiers to begin with?
 
Perhaps, but its what war does to people.
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Indeed, this isn't completely unprecedented. Just think of the massacres in Vietnam.
 
Or the "blood lusts" of the Persian Army against Greek cities during the first Greeco-Persis war ... much more grotesque.

Conquest always spills into bloodshed, the emotion of a battle predicts will predict the emotion of the peace that follows.

If dispair, then afterward, the people will be sorrowfull.
If rage, then afterward, the people will be ragefull.
 
Jintor said:
From that standpoint, yeah, i can see why they riddled her with bulletholes, because of the real kid suicide bombers. Seriously, using kids as suicide bombers? You're as screwed as your enemy.
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Kids are used as suicide bombers, by a minority of the resistance, a real group of bastards. These bastards do not reflect Palestine as a side however.
 
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