It's here. Many of you are going to prison.

[kupocake]

Like I said in another thread, some guy in Virginia printed out some lolicon on a printer at a public library and was sentenced to 20 years in prison. I guess he would serve half that on good behavior.

See, this is why people will never leap to the defence of people ensnared by such a stupid law. How ****ing idiotic do you have to be to use a public library printer to print any obscene image, let alone one that will sicken most normal people? I don't want to say that anyone deserves to fall foul of unjust law, but only really in the same way that someone laying under trains doesn't deserve to die. It's very hard to feel sympathy for them.

Looking at this stuff is ultimately not worth defending because you could be looking at something different. I almost sound like I'm evangelising on the subject, but there is so much legal and morally less ambiguous pornography out there, of so many diverse subjects, drawn or photographed, that if you cannot band-box your loli/shota folder and press 'delete', you may have to just face up to the fact that you have a dependency on it. A dependency on illustrations that depict young children in sexual situations.

Yes the law is stupid, but even if there wasn't a law, does that make what you are doing any less reprehensible? Does it take a law to make your friends and family distrust or even disown you? People should have the right to look at whatever they like if no-one is harmed, but they should have the self-control and sense to give it up whether someone tells them it's wrong or not.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

This picture depicts two children having sexual intercourse.
Guess I'm going to jail now then...

I don't think the UK would extradite somebody for that

 

[Sledgehammer]

I just realise this law practically outlaws some of my essays and short stories (no, not erotic ones, they use sex as a tool for telling a story or making a point). Goddamn that law.

 

[Kyorisu]

These discussions are always entertaining.

 

[Darkside55]

See, this is why people will never leap to the defence of people ensnared by such a stupid law. How ****ing idiotic do you have to be to use a public library printer to print any obscene image

I used to use the internet and the printers there and would unabashedly surf porn in full view of other people.

Don't judge me, Kupo.

 

[CptStern]

I dont buy that excuse that drawings of child pornography is ok because it's fantasy. the object of their fantasy is still children regardless if they're idealised or not. Perhaps I have bias because I'm a parent but would any of you trust your child around someone who unabashedly looks at pictures of naked children? it doesnt have to rational or logical; when it comes to your own kids you'd do anything to protect them wether real or imaginary. there's a fine line between self expression and obscenity, that line is constantly moving however we have to have a line somewhere and that line, for me at least, is children; they're off limits as far as I'm concerned

 

[Raziaar]

You know being attracted to a child just about to start puberty makes a lot of sense scientifically, evolutionally, not to mention that they are designed to be at the peak of beauty. I'm not attracted to them, but I think kids are really cute. Think about it, if kids were ugly, nobody would want them, not even their parents.

Peak of beauty? What the shit?

They're all ugly little bastards.

It's nigh impossible to be attracted to something your not, or to stop being attracted to something that you are. Every adult knows that.

My suggestion is that these people should try to put themselves around people of approximately their own age, and seek companionship with them, whether they are initially attracted to them or not. With strong love comes a different kind of attraction that will erode lust, even to the point where it can actually eradicate it.

Well, if they actually have any desire at all to stifle their interests in that sort of thing, they can simply choose to stop looking at and buying the stuff they do to increase their constant focus on it.

Just to be play a bit of devil's advocate though, I do think there's a line somewhere that needs to be drawn, I'm just not sure where that line should be and I'm glad it's not my decision to make.

I certainly have a big ****ing line that isn't mentioned. When people keep trying to show me stuff that pertains to their interests, and absolutely not to mine in this field... that's a BIG ****ing line they cross. And on the other side of that line there are land mines and machine guns.

I don't wanna see that shit. Quit showing me that shit!




Here's something to ponder. And I'm not going to defend this statement if anybody attacks it, because I don't want to get into a deep argument about this thread. I'm leaving that to the rest of you.

All those drawings are based on real events that happen every day. Somewhere, some time during the day, there's probably a kid having that exact thing happen to them.

 

[Sledgehammer]

Peak of beauty? What the shit?

They're all ugly little bastards.

I'm not ugly!

 

[Vegeta897]

would any of you trust your child around someone who unabashedly looks at pictures of naked children?

Ugh, this is where I begin to care about what people think of me. Stupid unfair assumptions like this that are just offensive to me.

I'm perfectly normal around children. I love children. I have this cousin who is the cutest little girl I've ever seen and I adore her.

I have absolutely zero sexual thoughts when interacting with real children. I'm a ****ing normal guy. What I am interested in in my fap time has no effect on the rest of my life.

 

[Sgt.Tibbs]

I don't have a lot of real stands on a lot of things, being that most of the time I don't give a ****.

But children are something I want to defend. The innocence and ignorance of children is something truly to behold and preserve.

Children are "dating" at earlier and earlier ages, because they know all the older kids are doing it, and the older kids aren't who you want your kids hanging around. They see people on the TV, so happy and proud with each other. They don't understand it, but they want it.

They might be snooping around the house, OOPS! They just found Pop's stash of "Virgin Cheerleaders *insert sexual action here*"

They still want it. And children are designed to learn, so they will.

I'm getting a little off-topic. The point to that was innocence should be preserved. These people [pedophiles] destroy innocence. That is something to be against, 100%.

 

[Vegeta897]

These people [child sex offenders] destroy innocence. That is something to be against, 100%.

Fixed :angry:

I destroy no god damn innocence. I am completely with you on everything you said.

 

[SolidSteel144]

I always thought of Canada as my back-up plan.

 

[Sledgehammer]

Fixed :angry:

I destroy no god damn innocence. I am completely with you on everything you said.

Being pedophile by itself isn't wrong. Not being able to control and committing crimes against children however, is very wrong, and one of the worst possible crimes not involving killing people.

 

[Vegeta897]

Being pedophile by itself isn't wrong. Not being able to control and committing crimes against children however, is very wrong, and one of the worst possible crimes not involving killing people.

Yes, thank you. That is what I'm trying to say.

Being a pedophile does not imply lack of control.

 

[Sgt.Tibbs]

Veggie, if you have kids, and with the exploring that kids do, do you think they'll like what they find WHEN they get into your porn stash?

Children have an innate talent for knowing wrong and right. Not that they always follow that, but they also know when something isn't something morally correct.

 

[Viperidae]

Hahahahaha, morals.

 

[Vegeta897]

Veggie, if you have kids, and with the exploring that kids do, do you think they'll like what they find WHEN they get into your porn stash?

Children have an innate talent for knowing wrong and right. Not that they always follow that, but they also know when something isn't something morally correct.

Because I'm going to have my "porn stash" just sitting around and the loli art will just be right on the front cover.

I seriously doubt I'll even have that shit by the time I have kids.

 

[Acepilotf14]

And/or he'll move to Japan where that's okay.

 

[Sgt.Tibbs]

Hey, man. Calm down, okay?

I'm just saying that just because you like it, doesn't mean it's right with the world.

 

[Vegeta897]

I know it's not right. It absolutely isn't. But I have a right to enjoy it and not be viewed as scum or someone who is going to harm your children.

 

[Tollbooth Willie]

Stop arguing and start sucking each others pathetic excuse for a dick, or shut the **** up I ain't got time to waste waiting here for you f*ggots.

 

[PvtRyan]

I love children.

Tee hee hee.

Anyway, this is stupid. I don't know of any reason that would justify banning drawings of nekkid kids that wouldn't apply to violence in games and movies. I really don't get Ennui's reasoning and his stance surprises me tbh. I don't see how repression solves anything.

 

[Sledgehammer]

Hey, man. Calm down, okay?

I'm just saying that just because you like it, doesn't mean it's right with the world.

The "world" as you describe it, appear to look down on a lot of things. Be that video games, drugs, being a public school teacher or prostitution. Pedophilia is such a heavy taboo, as once it pops up in conversation, everyone immediately distance themselves from it, and those who don't, end up being accused of being pedophiles (which is a very negative-laden word in common speech). It means that pedophiles are the "ultimate losers" of society.

And by the way, the peak of female beauty is at 15, so it's not like it's an extremely foreign thought to human nature.

 

[Darkside55]

Children have an innate talent for knowing wrong and right.

Not exactly.

I'm perfectly normal around children. I love children. I have this cousin who is the cutest little girl I've ever seen and I adore her.

I have absolutely zero sexual thoughts when interacting with real children.

Vegeta is exactly the kind of person I was talking about in my previous post. A person who likes drawings but doesn't find real children attractive. The public mentality doesn't factor in these kinds of people, it's an automatic "Drawings of fictional minors? POTENTIAL CHILD RAPIST!"

But on the other hand, I can completely empathize with Stern. Seriously now, wouldn't even you, Vegeta, be cautious if you had children and they were in the company of someone who confessed to looking at simulated pictures of naked children, or writing fictional erotic stories about children? You can't be too certain of their motives, even if you know your own.

That's the problem. But, in no case does preventative law actually protect children. It's irrational and an infringement on rights. Until there is a legitimate victim there is no cause for action. The law should be about punishing those who act, not those who contemplate an act, simulate an act, or fantasize about an act. Especially when a fantasy might never be acted upon because the reality is quite different altogether.

And by the way, the peak of female beauty is at 15, so it's not like it's an extremely foreign thought to human nature.

wat

 

[ríomhaire]

Yeah seriously, what's with this peak of beauty crap? I must confess agreement with Darkside on this one. I seem to be doing this more and more. It's a worrying trend.

 

[gFrohman]

My peak of beauty sure as hell was not 15; I'm f*cked if that's the case.

 

[Tollbooth Willie]

It's normal Rimjob.

EDIT: THAT WAS DIRECTED AT RIOMAjDASJ NOT YOU STOP ****ING POSTING BEFORE ME FROHMON

 

[Raziaar]

Yeah I don't understand that peak of beauty shit either.

I personally find the peak of beauty to be somewhere between 16 and 30, depending on the woman.

It all depends on the women. Some women look better younger and age more quickly as they get older, some women start off as ugly little ducklings and look far better at a more advanced age than 15.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

The peak of beauty is the boobies.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

YOU STOLE MY LINE FARROW

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

 

[jet_porkins]

Kinda surprised that it reaches as far as private emailing.

As far as porn goes, I really don't think a person who watches porn is watching two humans engaging in sexual relations. Pornography de-humanizes the participants (in most cases the female), and a person only watches it to please him/herself. You're full of BS if you think you watch porn in the interests of observing two people exchanging their anatomies with one another. The participants are turned into objects for the viewers' pleasure. As far as I'm concerned, porn is just as much an inatimate thing as any sex toy.

 

[Ennui]

Yeesh Vegeta, you really need to find yourself a girlfriend.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

I want to know if you think my rape and murder fantasies make me a shithead :arms:

 

[Ennui]

Yes. If you had them you would be. Depending on who the fantasies are about I could potentially still love you though.

:arms:

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

This is it though. I genuinely have.
Of course the reality would be horrific and if I ever did either of those things, I wouldn't be able to live with myself. But as a fantasy, these things are enjoyable. I think I'm quite good at distinguishing between the two.
It isn't a case of "I have the urges and I don't act on them". It's that fantasy is distinctly separate to reality. They are just two different things to me. I think the same can apply to loli. I don't think Veggie is an actual paedophile for liking loli, just like I'm not a rapist or a killer.

And you know, I've told a girl about these things, and she's had similar fantasies and acting them out as a kind of role-play is exciting.
Although not the killing part.
BUT STILL! I do play computer games where I quite enjoy killing people. I must have killed Barney about eight thousand times by now.

 

[kineaesth]

It's definitely wrong, regardless of whether or not actual children are being abused.

You don't like it, you think it's icky. That doesn't mean it's 'wrong'.

I don't see how repression solves anything.

I've tried to repress the gay away. So far, nothing.

Yeesh Vegeta, you really need to find yourself a girlfriend.

Oh nurizeko it's you! That explains the vitriol.

 

[VirusType2]

They're all ugly little bastards.

Like kittens and puppies, kids can be adorable. I don't know - yes, there are plenty of ugly kids but I guess I assume a fantasy drawing of one would not be an ugly bastard.

Well, if they actually have any desire at all to stifle their interests in that sort of thing, they can simply choose to stop looking at and buying the stuff they do to increase their constant focus on it.

Then they just end up following young girls around the mall or drooling while staring at them at the swimming pool.

 

[Raziaar]

I suppose they can occasionally be cute like how a little baby spider can be cute.

 

[15357]

Ha!

I like how the US is following the example of the great honorable Republic of Korea. Where you can be sentenced to jail terms for

1) spreading false information with malicious intent on the internet

2) flaming people

3) sharing porn on the internet







Anyway, what's so wrong with loli?



Um, I of course, mean that in relation to other porn. Ahem.

As a person who dislikes porn in general because of its dehumanizing and corrupting nature, I really don't see how loli is different, especially if its just manga.