judge senteces gamer to death

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6135335.html said:
The victims' families have sued Take-Two Interactive (parent company of Rockstar), Sony, Wal-Mart, and GameStop for their parts in the manufacturing and selling of the game.
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Once again, Americanism strikes again. It saddens me that this is what America has come to. People shoot other people, and then they sue game companies because "it's their fault and we aren't stupid and abusive ( abusive was taken from the story)."
 
Its sad very sad some parents are so dumb its just sad.....


*shakes head
 
this kinda crap makes me angry.......if the people arnt mature enough to play games without "inspiring" them (unless its in a helpful and good way) then they shouldnt be playing games. Do we point a gun a peoples heads just becasue we play countless hours of CS:S and DOD:S? I think not. Playing games requires a level of maturity.........
 
As Chris Rock so eloquently put it.

"Everyone's blaming violent video games, and movies, and shit...what ever happened to JUST PLAIN CRAZY!"
 
Really guys, it's the game's fault some people are stupid enough to get influenced by videogames.
:rolleyes:
 
Non-violence beats violence in this case. Anger and death threats only strengthen his cause.

Hostility has proven time and time again to be the one and only response to Thompson. It has failed.

We must attack with love. Surprise the enemy.

Attacks are strong but in enemy's path. You will be cut down like flies.

A swift stroke from the back, element of surprise. They will not know.
 
It's no body's fault but the parents, They buy the mature (17+) games for their UNDERAGED kids, A 17 year old wouldn't have been that stupid... And lately I have noticed alot of videogame inspired deaths, I think After the first case of this, The parents decided "Hey! we could get money off this, Lets get our kid to kill and say its the games fault, Then we get money!"

I hate these stupid F***ING PEOPLE!
 
They're gonna sue and it's not gonna ****ing go anywhere.

I stopped caring about these stories when I wrapped myself in the warm and comforting blanket of knowledge that the world's full of idiots and there's nothing I can do about it.
 
Moore will be put to death by lethal injection. Defense attorney Jim Standridge will appeal the case.
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Cops were killed... so the judge decides to kill the kid.
The justice system is screwed up.
Maybe its just me... but I don't believe its right to take another life after 3 were taken.
 
Fliko said:
Cops were killed... so the judge decides to kill the kid.
The justice system is screwed up.
Maybe its just me... but I don't believe its right to take another life after 3 were taken.
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I agree. They should severly punish the person but not kill him.
 
Fliko said:
Cops were killed... so the judge decides to kill the kid.
The justice system is screwed up.
Maybe its just me... but I don't believe its right to take another life after 3 were taken.
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I think is fair,is not a good thing but is fair
 
I am going to sue people who sue games, because they're inspiring me to sue other people, that's no way to solve your problems, you should instead be killing people in counterstrike/DOD...
If Freud was alive today, he would be a big fan of Counter-strike. Supports his theory "Put your anger into something 'productive'" (CS is more productive than killing people RL.)
 
lol that's bull, but then again if I was facing death I'd say just about anything to get out of it.
 
CookieCuttah said:
I am going to sue people who sue games, because they're inspiring me to sue other people, that's no way to solve your problems, you should instead be killing people in counterstrike/DOD...
If Freud was alive today, he would be a big fan of Counter-strike. Supports his theory "Put your anger into something 'productive'" (CS is more productive than killing people RL.)
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Cool thought. :D

Additionally, I wonder what would have happened if this guy blamed his parents for his crimes? Would blaming the most likely problem have changed the verdict?


I also hope that the officers' families sue this guy's parents. Man that would be bitter sweet.
 
Homless Snark said:
As Chris Rock so eloquently put it.

"Everyone's blaming violent video games, and movies, and shit...what ever happened to JUST PLAIN CRAZY!"
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Agreed!:afro:
 
Fliko said:
Cops were killed... so the judge decides to kill the kid.
The justice system is screwed up.
Maybe its just me... but I don't believe its right to take another life after 3 were taken.
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Its fair. Other option is using thousands and thousands of taxpayers money to keep this kid in jail for the rest of his life.

Life IS precious, but anyone taking innocent lives deserves to be wiped off the planet.
 
Shadow-warrior said:
Its fair. Other option is using thousands and thousands of taxpayers money to keep this kid in jail for the rest of his life.

Life IS precious, but anyone taking innocent lives deserves to be wiped off the planet.
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Yup.
Sorry, fellow gamer, but killing people in RL is a no go! Have fun dieing while we play DOD:S (It may be harsh, but this guy killed three people in cold blood)
 
I found this quote interesting, it's from his father:


"You live by the sword you die by it, that's the Bible," said Moore's father, 48-year-old Kenneth Moore. "God works in mysterious ways."



here's an example of how the media spins a news item to make it look like games are at fault:


"Imagine if the entertainment industry created a video game in which you could decapitate police officers, kill them with a sniper rifle, massacre them with a chainsaw, and set them on fire.

Think anyone would buy such a violent game?

They would, and they have. The game Grand Theft Auto has sold more than 35 million copies, with worldwide sales approaching $2 billion.

Two weeks ago, a multi-million dollar lawsuit was filed in Alabama against the makers and marketers of Grand Theft Auto, claiming that months of playing the game led a teenager to go on a rampage and kill three men, two of them police officers. "


yet they say nothing of the fact that the game has reprucussions should you go on a shooting spree killing police officers



"Grand Theft Auto is a world governed by the laws of depravity. See a car you like? Steal it. Someone you don't like? Stomp her. A cop in your way? Blow him away.

There are police at every turn, and endless opportunities to take them down. It is 360 degrees of murder and mayhem: slickly produced, technologically brilliant, and exceedingly violent"

"Attorney Jack Thompson, a long-time crusader against video-game violence, is bringing the suit. "What we're saying is that Devin Moore was, in effect, trained to do what he did. He was given a murder simulator," says Thompson. "



you americans better do something about Jack and the fearmongers blaming violence in youth on video games
 
Shadow-warrior said:
Its fair. Other option is using thousands and thousands of taxpayers money to keep this kid in jail for the rest of his life.

Life IS precious, but anyone taking innocent lives deserves to be wiped off the planet.
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funny how that doesnt apply to heads of state
 
I don't really understand what the big deal is here. No one should be surprised that, since we still have capital punishment in this country, a person convicted of killing three police officers is sentenced to death. Big deal. It happens every day.

I don't even know why they make such a big deal out of the fact that he was a gamer. I am sure many people that have been executed in the past have played video games. Even as an avid gamer, I still don't feel like I relate to this person at all because as far as I am concerned, he has a total disconnect with society. His behavior is evidence enough of that. The heading might as well read, "Judge sentences writer to death" or "Judge sentences model airplane builder to death." It makes no difference to me what little hobbies he might have enjoyed in the past. Mentioning so prominently the fact that this person was a gamer just shows you the bias of the media.

And while I feel sorry for the families of the victims, I also think it is asinine to sue the game companies, etc for this. People have tried in the past and its been thrown right out, as have any examples of scapegoating the videogame companies by using the game as a defense for behavior that is, ultimately, theirs and theirs alone. Wise up and try to put that energy into something that WILL make a difference, like focusing on parenting, educating, nurturing--stuff like that--not frivolous lawsuits. Ugh....I weep for the future. ;(
 
CptStern said:
funny how that doesnt apply to heads of state
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We've got mad snipers for that. We had a pair, but they got out of their cages and started a pwnage spree, though. We are currently training new ones by making them play DooM for 2 years on end :p
 
VictimOfScience said:
I don't even know why they make such a big deal out of the fact that he was a gamer. I am sure many people that have been executed in the past have played video games.
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"Of course he played video games! Most teenage boys play video games! Might as well say he ate hamburgers. It would have been more interesting if he didn't play games." - Duke, Game Revolution
 
Beerdude26 said:
We've got mad snipers for that. We had a pair, but they got out of their cages and started a pwnage spree, though. We are currently training new ones by making them play DooM for 2 years on end :p
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they werent taking out the right people
 
He wasn't a gamer just a thief and a murderer, it would be on the same level as "black sentenced to death" or "balded headed man sentenced to death".
 
Razor said:
He wasn't a gamer just a thief and a murderer, it would be on the same level as "black sentenced to death" or "balded headed man sentenced to death".
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to you and I yes, but not to the people who matter:


"Attorney Jack Thompson, a long-time crusader against video-game violence, is bringing the suit. "What we're saying is that Devin Moore was, in effect, trained to do what he did. He was given a murder simulator," says Thompson. "
 
CptStern said:
to you and I yes, but not to the people who matter:


"Attorney Jack Thompson
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Haha, you think Jack Thompson actually matters :rolling:.

I just think that this will be another loss for him and this case will serve to give lawyers pause before the next family tries to blame a video game for their son's bad behavior.

Its a slippery slope this blaming videogames for one's behavior. If any court finds this to be true, then it will only pave the way to blame movies, television, books, and any other forms of entertainment or stimuli.

I can see it now, the defendant speaks..."Once, on vacation in Africa, I saw a lioness stalk her prey, a gazelle, and then leap out from concealment and gnaw on the gazelle's neck with its powerful jaws and when the gazelle had lost enough blood and will to live, the lioness proceeded to eat the guts of the still-living gazelle until its entire maw was drenched with hot blood. So its not my fault that I did that to my family as they came home from school and work that day. The lioness made me do it--NATURE made me do it!" And so, Jack Thompson, long-time hater of all things good and natural and right in the world, brought a suit against Mother Nature. The suit was consequently thrown out when Thompson failed to show up for trial. Weeks later, a strange hardened pile of charred human effluence was found on a Florida golf course near Thompson's home. DNA tests on the remains identified the deceased as lawyer Jack Thompson. Apparently he was struck by an enormously powerful bolt of lightning and was wiped off the face of the earth, never to again terrorize the light-hearted gamers and nature-lovers of the world and after many days of horrible rains, the sun shone once again from on high and there was much rejoicing :E.

So you see what I am getting at here. His case won't win because the jury is what matters here and trying to prove that anything outside of oneself made one do whatever was done is like untying a Gordian knot (without a sword Alexander :p).
 
Judge sentences hamburger eating man to death

Peter Orno who used McDonalds as defense for triple animal homicide sentenced to lethal injection.

The defense mounted a case based on a childhood full of mental and physical abuse, as well as eating hamburgers. One burger in particular, McDonalds' Big Mac, was singled out, because people can taste twice the normal ammount of animal meat in it. Orno had said he was inspired by the taste of McDonalds burger's meat to kill the animals.

Attorney Jack Off Thompson, a long-time crusader against hamburger violence, is bringing the suit. "What we're saying is that P. Orno was, in effect, trained to kill animals and cook and eat their flesh. He was given a sample of what a killed animal tastes like," says Thompson.

The animals' families have sued McDonalds, the woman who sold the burger and a random guy standing around doing nothing while the burger was sold, for their parts in the manufacturing and selling of the burger."
 
 
The victims' families have sued Take-Two Interactive (parent company of Rockstar), Sony, Wal-Mart, and GameStop for their parts in the manufacturing and selling of the game.
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stupid greedy ****s
 
Homless Snark said:
As Chris Rock so eloquently put it.

"Everyone's blaming violent video games, and movies, and shit...what ever happened to JUST PLAIN CRAZY!"
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Love the quote and that entire stand up routine.

I think the industry better start regulating itself before the government steps in and does it themselves. People need to understand that whether or not they agree with Thompson and the others, it makes no difference. These people are going to continue to make the violence-to-video game connection regardless. People that don't know any better will continue to agree with these claims and then bad things will start to happen.

This situation is starting to look a lot like the Major League Baseball steroid scandal. Baseball could have put their own policy in effect if they weren't morons. Instead they do nothing and now the government is going to step in and force them to do exactly what the government wants them to do. Baseball fans say that steroids don't make baseball players better. Being stronger doesn't help someone hit a 99 mph fastball. Just like video game fans say violent games don't make people violent. I'm not saying who's right and who's wrong, but there are definite similarities.

The gaming industry could get together, come up with stricter ESRB enforcement and be done with it. If they do nothing they risk the government stepping in and saying, "well no more FPS games period." Now that most likely won't happen, but maybe the government would come up with a much stricter policy than we'd all like.

Personally I'm not at all worried about normal kids playing violent video games. I'm worried about the "JUST PLAIN CRAZY" kids with no friends, deadbeat parents and who take five different kinds of brain drugs playing violent video games. That's why stores shouldn't sell violent games to kids. If the parents feel their kids can play these games without confusing them with real life then that's great. If I had a kid with no friends and hopped up on all sorts of psychotropic drugs I wouldn't let them play violent games and would be pissed if they could just go to a store and get them anyway.

Bottom line, I don't agree with Thompson and the others. I do however feel that it would be better to have the industry clamp down on itself more as opposed to having the government step in and start censoring the games we enjoy playing.
 
that's what the ESRB's supposed to be for ..apparently it isnt good enough ..our opponents have one goal in mind: to heavily regulate video games to the point that violence is cut from the game before it's even made

what's our salvation? ...believe it or not: Steam. If video games go online sales only, not all the wackos in the world will be able to stop it because there's no international laws that they could use against them. It's a pipe dream that will only become reality till all consoles have online sales ...kudos to Nintendo for taking a step in the right direction


retail is dead, long live Steam
 
CptStern said:
you think he doesnt?

http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/sep2005/id20050929_066963.htm

http://www.freecongress.org/commentaries/2003/030205PW.asp

http://money.cnn.com/2005/07/28/technology/personaltech/sims_rating/

http://www.out-law.com/page-3932

http://www.cwfa.org/articles/3990/CFI/cfreport/

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/gta4/news_6129723.html

http://videogames.aol.com/canvases/articles?id=20050712143709990001

http://videogames.yahoo.com/newsarticle?eid=376438&page=0

http://www.gamersmark.com/news/2005/08/1/6581/

http://action.joystiq.com/entry/1234000580052802/

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=pub&aid=10165
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Yes, those are links :eek: .

And yes, he matters to an extent, but only to the extent that Tipper Gore and the PMRC mattered in the 80s. There was all that talk about the violent and sexual content of heavy metal and rap music and all that happened was a tiny little label on records with "Parental Advisory: Explicit Content," which is silly and ambiguous anyway because many lyrics are "Fully and clearly expressed; leaving nothing implied"(main definition) without "Describing or portraying nudity or sexual activity in graphic detail"(secondary definition). I would argue that the label itself isn't explicit in its meaning, but that's another story.

Again, nothing much will come of this other than perhaps a re-examination of the ESRBs methods and they are already doing that, so I don't see a lot changing. Thompson is a blowhard that just wants to be noticed and unfortunately the media is playing right in to his hand. That is why I am so proud of developers of games like Spore and Darwinia and Shadow of the Colossus and Okami and Animal Crossing and Pikmin and the like because it shows everyone that games can be beautiful artistic expressions or thought-provoking learning experiences that require analytic ability and foresight.

Games are only portrayed in the media negatively because violence and negativity sell. The GTA series proves that and the nightly news demonstrates that. It wasn't until relatively recently that news broadcasts started to focus a little bit more on positive news, but only after exposing us all to the wars, rapes, beheadings, arson attacks, robberies, beatings of the world.

A sad state of affairs, but there is always hope. I find it in small independent developers, small independent games, small independent movies, small independent restaurants, small independent bands, small independent publishing houses and so forth. Don't get me wrong, I love the GTA series and Manhunt and Texas Chainsaw Massacre(the original), but then again, I am not the one trying to make a name for myself in religious and/or political circles and I am not the one out killing people because the games told me to :-\

CptStern said:
what's our salvation? ...believe it or not: Steam.
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I agree completely. Digital distribution is the only real thing that is saving Adventure gaming on the PC(apart from a few brave and genius developers and publishers) and I am hopeful that it can save every other genre from the witchhunt/sh1tstorm.
 
the music industry isnt that good of an example as there are literally thousands of lobbyists and groups dedicated to protecting creative freedom and music rights in general ..I prefer to see the video game industry more like the comic book business: has a niche market but has had some mainstream successes. The 1950's witch hunts against comics book effectively ruined the american comics scene for generations to come ..they're still fighting for legitimacy even though their foreign counterparts achieved that decades ago. It wasnt till the 80's with the advent of comic specialty stores that comics had a resurgean in creativity ..too little too late ..comics in north america are still seen as a "distraction for kiddies" rather than the artform they are in France, germany, Spain, japan etc
 
Jack is going to get himself killed for being a complete idiot. I mean I don't think he can get much dumber than he currently is. He think he is god,etc when it comes to video games; probably only hates them due to his 2 year old son beating him in pong.
 
CptStern said:
the music industry isnt that good of an example as there are literally thousands of lobbyists and groups dedicated to protecting creative freedom and music rights in general ..I prefer to see the video game industry more like the comic book business: has a niche market but has had some mainstream successes. The 1950's witch hunts against comics book effectively ruined the american comics scene for generations to come ..they're still fighting for legitimacy even though their foreign counterparts achieved that decades ago. It wasnt till the 80's with the advent of comic specialty stores that comics had a resurgean in creativity ..too little too late ..comics in north america are still seen as a "distraction for kiddies" rather than the artform they are in France, germany, Spain, japan etc
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Which is funny really when you consider the success of the Spider Man films. I would never in a million years thought that those films would gross $$$ the way they did. Like you said, comics aren't exactly super popular in the States. This sort of support for the movie form of a comic book character makes me consider how the public is legitimizing one form of art over another.
And look at the best-known comic collector in the world(arguably): Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons: A fat, repulsive geek with no life outside of the little comics he immerses himself in 24/7. Not the greatest representation of what it means to be a comic collector. Some forms of art, game development included, just aren't appreciated yet.

I think with some of the more recent graphic novels and more creative game experiences, though, that we can begin to change that and indeed are changing it. I think more and more that game developing is being seen as a legitimate career, as evidenced by many university's offering more specialized courses in game development and such, and even gaming itself is being legitimized to an extent, as evidenced by corporate sponsorship for gamers, not unlike major athletes.

The worm is definitely turning, however slowly, so maybe one day soon we too will have lobbyists of our own, just like the music industry, to help us protect the integrity of one of our favorite pasttimes.
 
Wait wait wait wait..... The parents.... who cause the "childhood full of mental and physical abuse" that was attributed to the kids state.... are suing?


WTF!

I can not believe how totally brainless some people are. "I kicked my son in the face 10 times a day when he was a kid, and told him he was absolutely worthless each time, but it was the video games that made him a psycho." GL on winning your case morons.
 
Shens said:
Non-violence beats violence in this case. Anger and death threats only strengthen his cause.

Hostility has proven time and time again to be the one and only response to Thompson. It has failed.

We must attack with love. Surprise the enemy.

Attacks are strong but in enemy's path. You will be cut down like flies.

A swift stroke from the back, element of surprise. They will not know.
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So.. poetic... is it written by Sun Tzu?
 
The victims' families have sued Take-Two Interactive (parent company of Rockstar), Sony, Wal-Mart, and GameStop for their parts in the manufacturing and selling of the game.
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Yes because money is going to make everything all right again and make their loved one come back... :rolleyes:
 
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