Karma and fate o.o

Do you believe in:

  • Karma

    Votes: 9 14.3%

  • Fate

    Votes: 8 12.7%

  • Both

    Votes: 5 7.9%

  • Neither

    Votes: 41 65.1%
  • Total voters
    63
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http://www.tokeup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6651
The only forums i ever post at are that one and this one.

Check the poll results on that thread. It just seems beyond all comprehension that over 77 percent of the people that voted believe in karma, fate or both.

On one hand I'm curious to see how you guys would vote in the same poll, but on the other I can't help but wonder if the fact that they all have drug use in common is in anyway related to their shared odd beliefs. (Well.. assuming i'm right and only like 10 percent of the ppl here actually vote yes to believing in fate and/or karma) What do you think? Are crazy ppl more likely to use drugs, or are people that use drugs more likely to believe crazy things? Or am i just completely out of the loop and someone found a legitimate reason for believing in karma?

Ionno.. it just astounds me and i really want to hear other people's opinions on it and karma (Assuming anyone actually takes the idea seriously...)
 
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but i have to say that i do believe in both fate and karma.
 
Queue the Terminator 2 quote:

"No fate but what you make." So no, neither.
 
"No fate but what you make." pretty much sums it up for me.

Neither.
 
Fate and karma exist in a physical and easy to explain sense.

Fate: Particles react in a set way, whats going to happen will happen but that dosn't mean you can predict or anything has anyway of showing what will happen......
Look up schrodinger's cat, try and come up with your own opinion on random activity.

Karma: Generally, in human and animal society what you give is what you get (emphasis on generally), if you act like a jerk people will act like a jerk back...it's animal nature. Other things can factor in like your own guilt, you could be mean all your life making tons of cash but feel horribly guilty.
I'm not sure what the figures would be as to how much "accuracy" of the soceital karma you recieve would be but put it this way, there are plenty of people who only do "good" and get shit thrown back in their face, likewise there are mean ****ers who have a wonderful time.
 
Neither for me too.

Matrix hax:
"I don't like to think i'm not in control of my life."
 
Well i'm glad to see i'm not alone :D

But then how do you explain the fact that such a large percent of the people on the other forum are so adimate about the existence of either one or both? What about them do you think would make a random sampling of people have the majority believing such insane things? I really don't see any common links between them other than internet acces and drug use. And considering internet access clearly (as demonstrated by this poll) has nothing to do with having insane beliefs, then it must be the drug use. But how does that make any sense?
 
Kamikazie said:
EDIT:nm..

but i have to say that i do believe in both fate and karma.
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DeusExMachinia said:
I believe in Karma and don't do any kind of drugs.
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Any particular reasons why?

I'm stll tryin to think of how to reply to short recoils post XD Lol
 
Ikerous said:
Check the poll results on that thread. It just seems beyond all comprehension that over 77 percent of the people that voted believe in karma, fate or both.

Ionno.. it just astounds me and i really want to hear other people's opinions on it and karma (Assuming anyone actually takes the idea seriously...)
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Hmmm - your respect for the opinions of others is simply unparalleled.
"Not only are you wrong - because I say so - but you're also retarded. F*cking hell, I can't even begin to understand what's going on in that head of yours."
:hmph:

For the record, I don't believe in fate - I think it's entirely nonsensical, but I don't think badly of people if they choose to believe in that. In fact, if it helps them get through the day, then good for them.
As for karma, I'd like to believe in it, but I'm just not convinced.
And everyone who disagrees with me is an ignorant c*nt.
 
el Chi said:
Hmmm - your respect for the opinions of others is simply unparalleled.
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:/ Actually i made the thread mostly because I wanted to hear other people's opinions on fate/karma because i just plain dont get it, and i'd really like to understand. In fact, im going out of my way to understand the other opinion, so i must have SOME respect for it...

If i came off as rude I apoligize, it definitely was far from what i intended.

(Actually, if i ever come off as rude.. it's probably just a missunderstanding... i try to be fairly nice :/)
 
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Ikerous

Fair play - I misinterpreted you. Sorry also :)
 
I don't really bury myself in all sorts of philosophies or anything, but it does seem when I do something wrong, it bites me in the ass. Like I'm thinking about something bad and I laugh at it and suddenly I bump into something (while I never bump into it normally, and I walk past that spot many times a day) and then I think that it might have been Karma. Then I think "lol bs" and go back to laughing evilly. Then suddenly a book falls from a bookcase and onto my toes :|
 
I believe in karma in an extremely obvious sense- namely, what you do comes back to bite you. If you call a girl fat, it'll probably backfire in the future. But that's not so much "karma" as "life". So, no.
 
Beerdude26 said:
I don't really bury myself in all sorts of philosophies or anything, but it does seem when I do something wrong, it bites me in the ass. Like I'm thinking about something bad and I laugh at it and suddenly I bump into something (while I never bump into it normally, and I walk past that spot many times a day) and then I think that it might have been Karma. Then I think "lol bs" and go back to laughing evilly. Then suddenly a book falls from a bookcase and onto my toes :|
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Ah, yet another part of the human psyche that causes these ideas to occur.
You only remember or notice something if you think about it.
When bad things occur when your not evily laughing you don't notice them.

A good example is if you have a recent fad of something, say you were having a fad about a certain car, you'd suddenly "see lots of them".
 
Yeah, but it happens more than I want :| :p

I'll just let my subconsciousness (one of the few English words I don't know how to spell :|) think it happens like that :p
 
Well, I dunno. One part of me thinks any kind of thought of karma and fate is complete BS etc etc.

Another part, however suspect there is some kind of this type of thing. Like, some balance. Look at how the western world is evolving more and more, while at the other side of the pendulum, the underdeveloped countries, are getting worse and worse in a seemingly mirrored fashion from the industrialized society. People who do kill or hurt other people might not suffer financially or socially but everyone seems to suffer some sort of 'spiritual' loss, especially those who don't kill in wartime etc. I think it's very rare with people having absolute no regret for doing a bad deed against someone unless the person is incredibly sadistic/something similar or due to some form of insanity.

But I dunno, just speculation. Could just as well be scientifically explainable, but it's just that tiny curious part wondering if there's something else to it.
 
Damn it, I'm in the minority again. (Fate only.)

If what went around came around, the world would have many, many, many fewer rich and powerful jackasses. Thus, no karma.
 
If what went around came around, the world would have many, many, many fewer rich and powerful jackasses. Thus, no karma.
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Strangely I have a tendency of speaking for other groups of people even though I don't support them, but as an answer to your argument most religions who claim there is karma say you 'pay' your karma in your next life.
 
Both. Completely. When it comes to certain situations in my everyday runnings, I can't but think that some things happened due to my actions, and some things happened because they were meant to happen.

It's a difficult thing to explain, but it's how I perceive things.
 
Cormeh said:
Both. Completely. When it comes to certain situations in my everyday runnings, I can't but think that some things happened due to my actions, and some things happened because they were meant to happen.

It's a difficult thing to explain, but it's how I perceive things.
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I read this quote recently that said "Life doesn't give you what you want, it gives you what to need."

Again, it might as well be the type of thinking that short recoil suggested, but I think in retrospect it could very well be true.

Everything that happens seems to do that just to help you "learn" something and improve somehow, become stronger etc. Also something that adds to this karma possibility is that life seems to go in a pendulum-type swing. Highs, lows. From ancient civilisations to famous people, daily happenings, fads, almost absolutely anything that happens. "What comes up must go down.", just like if it was a universal law.

Again, that's just theorizing and speaking for myself, can hardly apply the same kind of logic for people who get brain damage or are born in third world countries.
 
I believe in fate in the sense that there are a set of rules which govern the universe. IE if you apply a force to an object it accelerates. Being able to predict the future is fate. I see someone fall off of a cliff and I can say that they are "fated" to hit the ground and make a big splat. Collect enough knowledge and the future becomes known. I don't believe in chick flick sorta fate that there's a soul mate out there for you or that everyone can achieve happiness.
 
I believe everything is in a delicate balance, call it Karma if you will.

I don't know what to make of the idea of fate, how would you ever prove it was true?

"Yeah, but I could change my mind and do this..."

"But fate knows you are going to do that."

It could go on forever.
 
CrazyHarij said:
Strangely I have a tendency of speaking for other groups of people even though I don't support them, but as an answer to your argument most religions who claim there is karma say you 'pay' your karma in your next life.
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Sure, that makes sense. I was thinking of worldly karma. ;)
 
Cut the shit, neither exist in my opinion. What you do each day influences what happens in your life. You are not on a chosen journey or doing good for your bads. Its just life and thats it. Call me empty or cold, i'm not bothered, i just think people who need things like fate are weak-hearted as they can't except the true reality. Much alike people who believe in an after life. I live based on reality.
 
Hectic Glenn said:
Cut the shit, neither exist in my opinion. What you do each day influences what happens in your life. You are not on a chosen journey or doing good for your bads. Its just life and thats it. Call me empty or cold, i'm not bothered, i just think people who need things like fate are weak-hearted as they can't except the true reality. Much alike people who believe in an after life. I live based on reality.
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If you were cold hearted and rational, you would belive in fate. I'd say it's way harder to accept that everything is predetermined than it is to believe that you are in control of your life. Believeing that you are in control, that you matter, is the weak-hearted answer.

It's also the fundental basis of science that the universe obeys laws. That means that if you have a certain specific situation, you will get the same result every time. Or perhaps according to Heisenberg, some things are completely random, but that adds up to the same thing, in either case it's not decided by you. Your brain is just a complicated network of inputs and outputs, it follows rules. It does not make unique decisions. That's just your consciousness fooling you. If you are put in a situation with the same memories and same everything, you will act the same way every time.
 
fate implies someone is pulling the strings, karma implies you pull the strings


I choose choice
 
I believe in 'mobile Karma'. :E If someone sees you doing good/evil (although theres not much difference between the two) good/bad things happen. They don't, no consquences.

And I believe fate is just an excuse by the weak to justify their unsucessfulness (sp?) (?).
 
I don't believe either in the traditional sense, certainly not karma.

However, I don't believe in free will, so by necessity I believe in fate of some sort.
 
spookymooky said:
However, I don't believe in free will, so by necessity I believe in fate of some sort.
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you dont believe in free will? how does that work? isnt choice free will?
 
CptStern said:
you dont believe in free will? how does that work? isnt choice free will?
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I don't believe in choice:

Spookymooky said:
Why do I make a decision? There seem to be two causes: my natural inclinations, and my prior experiences, including prior decisions. There might also be some random firing of neurons and such thrown in there.

All of these things are out of my control. Obviously I didnt have a hand in choosing my genetics. As far as experiences go, I cant control my enviorment. My earliest decisions were a result of instinct and enviorment. While my later and current decisions resulted from those.

Thinking is itself a choice: to begin thinking, what to think about, etc. Thus, thinking is not a variable in the choosing, it is choosing.

If all this is true, if choosing relies on genetics, experience, and chance, and if all these are out of our control, choosing is not within our control. It is not something we can truly do. Its like pulling your hand of a hot stove: just a reflex.
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The main idea of how your brian works is just that it's an incredibly complicated neural network that can constantly rewire itself.
 
Dan said:
The main idea of how your brian works is just that it's an incredibly complicated neural network that can constantly rewire itself.
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That doesn't really change much.
 
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