katrina victims trashing places, etc.

[john121]

I've been following the news lately, and I've realized a few things.
1) the victims of the recent hurricanes have trashed the places they are staying in, these places that people have let them use for free.
2) the money the government has given them has been spent on alcohol and drugs (not everyone, but a significant amount)
3) the polititians have mostly spoken about 2 things, which are assigning blame and the fact that nothing is ever enough, even when food, shelter, water, and even money and job programs have been given to these people.

any comments?

 

[Adabiviak]

Party on, dude! When's the next hurricane?

 

[DiSTuRbEd]

My cousin is going down there for the coast guard, I already told him to pistol whip the assholes for me.

 

[diluted]

So in other words, the majority of hurricane victims are drug addicts and alcoholics with no respect for other's property.
Where'd you get these statistics.

 

[Kmack]

So in other words, the majority of hurricane victims are drug addicts and alcoholics with no respect for other's property.
Where'd you get these statistics.

from Uncle Jed's Guide To Racism, Bigotry, and Ignorance in the 21st Century.

Also Known as the Guide for Success as a Republican in the 21st Century.

 

[gick]

The media always concentrates on the bad things that happen, because thats what people watch, so the only things that get reported are the stories about people trashing the homes that they are staying in. You wouldnt get a report like 'Family of Hurricane Victims Get Along Fine In Their New Home!!!' or 'Large Amounts of Aid Money Spent On Food and Medicine!!'

And i'd like to see some statistics to back up those sweeping assumptions of yours.

 

[CptStern]

here's a nasty drug addict

here's an alcoholic

here's a bunch of vandals


ya I can see how the majority of katrina victems are drug addicted, alcoholic vadals






:upstare:

 

[Solaris]

Idd.

What a load of crap.

 

[gick]

here's a nasty drug addict

here's an alcoholic

here's a bunch of vandals


ya I can see how the majority of katrina victems are drug addicted, alcoholic vadals






:upstare:

Grrr, darned bleedin' heart Liberal! Of course they're criminals, they aint white!

 

[Beerdude26]

Grrr, darned bleedin' heart Liberal! Of course they're criminals, they aint white!

*Rofls at sarcasm*

 

[Lemonking]

meh I dont think you can say that, maybe 2 out 1000 spend the money they got on drugs or whatever most of them just want something to eat and a place to sleep.I sure hope they can rebuild those citys

 

[Raziaar]

Grrr, darned bleedin' heart Liberal! Of course they're criminals, they aint white!

Even if it is sarcasm... there always seems to be a rash of ignorance among democrats that conservative republicans are all racist. Its bullshit.

Sure, there are plenty of racist republicans. I could probably name thousands personally(out of the millions). But there are also just as many racist democrats.

 

[CptStern]

Even if it is sarcasm... there always seems to be a rash of ignorance among democrats that conservative republicans are all racist. Its bullshit.

while certainly not true in all cases there is some truth to that ..republicans are right wing ...racism has it's roots in right wing ideology: nationalism ..Stormfront a neo-nazi white supremacist group identify themselves as republican/right wing or just visit P r o t e s t warrior (a right-wing cesspool of humanity) on any given day and you'll encounter unapologetic blatant racism

 

[Raziaar]

while certainly not true in all cases there is some truth to that ..republicans are right wing ...racism has it's roots in right wing ideology: nationalism ..Stormfront a neo-nazi white supremacist group identify themselves as republican/right wing or just visit P r o t e s t warrior (a right-wing cesspool of humanity) on any given day and you'll encounter unapologetic blatant racism

There's no doubt about those things. I hate stormfront. I'm tired of their ****ing page showing up when I do internet searches. It annoys the hell out of me.

But I hate it when there's such blatant ignorance when people always call republicans racist. Soooo many racist republicans out there, and there's also so many racist democrats/liberals. Even if they're in a minority, it still doesn't shield them from being racist. Racism is something I hate with a passion, no matter who its from.

Lets not forget liberals like Gus Savage:

“I don’t talk to you white mother****ers … You bitch mother****ers in the white press … **** you, you mother****ing asshole white devils.”


Or Willie Brown who tells a white parent who is concerned that affirmative action programs will penalize his children:

“I don’t care about your idiot children.”


Or even Bill and Hilary clinton who have spoken against black people according to a retired Arkansas state trooper who has had experience in them saying such things.

Retired Arkansas state trooper Larry Patterson says Bill and Hillary Clinton had nothing good to say about blacks in general and frequently used “******” to describe their black critics and opponents and even their black supporters behind their backs.

I could go on... but I don't want to have to. I just wish the god damned lies about all republicans being racist would stop... and only be reserved for those who are KNOWN to be racist. Such as the shunned KKK and other white supremacist groups, and whatnot. Those bastards deserve the hate, not anti-racist white conservatives like me and the many others.

 

[gick]

I never said Republicans were Rascist. I was just pointing out that the kind of people who claim that all the Hurricane victims are vandals and alcoholics tend to be rascist scum bastards.

 

[gh0st]

stern you forgot this picture

 

[redhollowpoint]

here this looks like finding food :

finally justice :

 

[gick]

To be fair, they could be carrying anything. Clothes, food, anything.

 

[john121]

did you see the news cast of the cops looting a wal-mart in their uniforms? nice the way they kept the law. Oh, and if you're looking for statistics on places being trashed by the hurricane victims, I had to actually clean the bathrooms they used in my church, and i'm not saying they are ALL like this, only some. Same with the habitat for humanity house they built around here, had to go through 3 families because the first 2 only worked on it like 2 days and then quit. (the contract was that the family actually help out throughout the process and then recieve the housing, seems fair to me actually)

 

[Absinthe]

Some people acted like ****wits. Therefore the victims of Katrina are destructive, thieving anarchists!

 

[Kmack]

i guess we can judge all based on the actions of few.

:x some of these posts make me sick

 

[No Limit]

I've been following the news lately, and I've realized a few things.
1) the victims of the recent hurricanes have trashed the places they are staying in, these places that people have let them use for free.
2) the money the government has given them has been spent on alcohol and drugs (not everyone, but a significant amount)
3) the polititians have mostly spoken about 2 things, which are assigning blame and the fact that nothing is ever enough, even when food, shelter, water, and even money and job programs have been given to these people.

any comments?

I hope you know most of what the media reported was absolutely false. The New Orleans police haven't been able to confirm a single murder, rape, or kidnapping in the shelters. They have confirmed 4 murders during the entire hurricane which is about average for a city that size. This is a classic example of media lying and then the right wing using those lies as a tool to say blacks are all thugs and that they should never get any help from the government, something you just played in to.

I am also willing to bet you have no idea how drug addiction works. Yes, a lot of blacks in this country are plagued by drugs like crack cocaine. But what you don't hear about are all the white people that also have that same disease. Drug addiction doesn't affect a race, it affects the poor. As long as the right wing isn't willing to help the poor and classify them as thugs drug addiction will get worse and more people will be pulled in to poverty. That is not to say that the left wing continually just throwing money at the problem will be any more effective. Poverty in this country is nothing new, it has been around for centuries, and is still very active; all katrina did was put it back in the front pages of newspapers for a while.

 

[Kebean PFC]

i guess we can judge all based on the actions of few.

Just how you judge us and our armed forces. Dont be a hypocrit.

haven't been able to confirm a single murder, rape, or kidnapping

And what is that supposed to mean? They can't CONFIRM it? So the old man just died of old age right? The bullet wounds had nothing to do with it?

blacks are all thugs and that they should never get any help from the government,

No, all of them arn't but the majority is. Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. Do you know how much they would be able to accomplish if they quit looting and shooting one another?

 

[Absinthe]

The majority of blacks are thugs?

KKK went out of style quite a while back, Kebean.

 

[No Limit]

Just how you judge us and our armed forces. Dont be a hypocrit.

How so?

And what is that supposed to mean? They can't CONFIRM it? So the old man just died of old age right? The bullet wounds had nothing to do with it?

No, it means nobody was raped, murdered, or kidnapped. I don't know what part of that you don't understand.

No, all of them arn't but the majority is. Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. Do you know how much they would be able to accomplish if they quit looting and shooting one another?

I don't have to say much to that, you pretty much shot your self in the foot there.

 

[diluted]

No, all of them arn't but the majority is.

Over 50% of blacks are thugs... interesting. Care to show us your sources? Quoting from KKK or stormfront websites doesn't count!

 

[DreamThrall]

Just some perspective from someone who has actually dealt with evacuees (me). My wife and I worked at a Humane Society emergency pet shelter in Shreveport, LA taking care of pets that the evacuees had brought from New Orleans, and also pets that had been rescued from the area. Things like this really bring out the best and worse in people. Granted, most of the people we dealt with were pet owners, which in my experience are a different breed (pardon the pun) than the rest of the population, but we had friends and close contacts with people who were working directly with the evacuees. The pet shelter was also on the same site as the LSUS Red Cross shelter, so we saw the goings on there as well.

In our experience, for the most part, the evacuees were gracious and thankful for the people that were helping out. However, there were some (and not just a loud minority, I'm afraid to say) that were rude and abusive. Granted, they had just lost their homes and were living in a gymnasium, but some people just lacked a certain common decency.

Anyone taken a look at the available rentals in Shreveport lately? No property owner wants to rent now, because of the risk of damage that has already been done by some people. I personally know at least 2 people who have had over $5000 in damage done to their rental property by evacuees within the first 4 weeks of their lease agreement.

I don't mean to harp on the negative side, but people aren't just making these things up.

 

[john121]

In our experience, for the most part, the evacuees were gracious and thankful for the people that were helping out. However, there were some (and not just a loud minority, I'm afraid to say) that were rude and abusive. Granted, they had just lost their homes and were living in a gymnasium, but some people just lacked a certain common decency.

Anyone taken a look at the available rentals in Shreveport lately? No property owner wants to rent now, because of the risk of damage that has already been done by some people. I personally know at least 2 people who have had over $5000 in damage done to their rental property by evacuees within the first 4 weeks of their lease agreement.

I don't mean to harp on the negative side, but people aren't just making these things up.

Also, asking NOT what your country can do for you and what YOU can do FOR your country is absolutely the right thing for everyone to do. If everyone helped out (i'm talking to every person in America, including the victims of the 2 hurricanes) helped out and got these people, or themselves, a job and a temporary shelter and took care of them while getting back on their feet, we would be MUCH better off. The rebuilding wouldn't take too long if everyone helped out. Now, I'm not saying EVERY victim is trashing the place they've been given, but I'm also not saying that a very few have been trashing places as well. We can't ignore the facts, no matter how bad those facts are. Am I sorry for this huge tragedy? yes! Do I feel that alot of these victims are truly trying to pick up the peices and move on? yes! But, I also believe and know that there are those out there that will blame not having or getting a job, money, and a place to stay on anything and everything even years after this tragedy has taken place. Am I expecting every evacuee to just get a job and forget about what they have been through? no. All I expect is for them to rise above, gradually and with help, and get themselves a job, and wean themselves off government support. It's how the system was built when it was started anyhow. You show me a family ravaged by the hurricanes, and I will help them get jobs, help them look for a place to stay and financing to buy that shelter. Once they get going I'll help another family, but only those who have the courage and self respect to rise up and help themselves as well as ask for help from others. I'm hoping no one will quote me out of context.

 

[No Limit]

Just some perspective from someone who has actually dealt with evacuees (me). My wife and I worked at a Humane Society emergency pet shelter in Shreveport, LA taking care of pets that the evacuees had brought from New Orleans, and also pets that had been rescued from the area. Things like this really bring out the best and worse in people. Granted, most of the people we dealt with were pet owners, which in my experience are a different breed (pardon the pun) than the rest of the population, but we had friends and close contacts with people who were working directly with the evacuees. The pet shelter was also on the same site as the LSUS Red Cross shelter, so we saw the goings on there as well.

In our experience, for the most part, the evacuees were gracious and thankful for the people that were helping out. However, there were some (and not just a loud minority, I'm afraid to say) that were rude and abusive. Granted, they had just lost their homes and were living in a gymnasium, but some people just lacked a certain common decency.

Anyone taken a look at the available rentals in Shreveport lately? No property owner wants to rent now, because of the risk of damage that has already been done by some people. I personally know at least 2 people who have had over $5000 in damage done to their rental property by evacuees within the first 4 weeks of their lease agreement.

I don't mean to harp on the negative side, but people aren't just making these things up.

Yeah, the problem you had is with poverty, not with race. What Kebean tried to say, and which I don't think you are defending, is that most black people are thugs. Your criminal behavior has nothing to do with what race you are, it has to do with poverty. If you were locked down in an area where you couldn't get a proper education and your only 2 choices would be to a) get a minimum wage job which isn't enough to support a family or b) get hand outs from the government that pay about the same as choice B. In both cases you would still be dirt poor and your attitude would turn to shit. I've seen white, asian, blue, whatever people in that position that act no difference than what you described. The real problem is poverty, not what many conservatives want you to believe, that black people are the problem.

 

[The Monkey]

Yeah, the problem you had is with poverty, not with race. What Kebean tried to say, and which I don't think you are defending, is that most black people are thugs. Your criminal behavior has nothing to do with what race you are, it has to do with poverty. If you were locked down in an area where you couldn't get a proper education and your only 2 choices would be to a) get a minimum wage job which isn't enough to support a family or b) get hand outs from the government that pay about the same as choice B. In both cases you would still be dirt poor and your attitude would turn to shit. I've seen white, asian, blue, whatever people in that position that act no difference than what you described. The real problem is poverty, not what many conservatives want you to believe, that black people are the problem.

Very true. If you want to fight crime, fight the roots, fight poverty. Today 37 million Americans live in poverty, is that acceptable in a industrialized country?

 

[Lemonking]

ever heard of the book "the end of Racism" ?
read it

 

[No Limit]

ever heard of the book "the end of Racism" ?
read it

You mean the same book that calls for a repeal of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the same book that says black people are the only ones to blame for their problems; white people, slavery, racism have nothing to do with it? The book where D'souza explains that blacks' condition is a result of the fact that black individuals are more likely to be lazy, criminal, etc... than whites. The book that claims Western Culture is superior to that of any other. No thanks, I'll pass.

 

[Lemonking]

it looks like you didnt read it, you dingo


anyway,If you think eastern culture is more supperior then you should move 2 Palastine and fight against the Zionazis and make yourself useful,

 

[No Limit]

it looks like you didnt read it, you dingo


anyway,If you think eastern culture is more supperior then you should move 2 Palastine and fight against the Zionazis and make yourself useful,

I didn't have to read it to know what this idiot said. its called research, try it some time.

If I am wrong, name the main thesis of the book and a few main points you got from it.

 

[john121]

Very true. If you want to fight crime, fight the roots, fight poverty. Today 37 million Americans live in poverty, is that acceptable in a industrialized country?

no, it is not acceptable, that is why i'm asking EVERYONE, in every income bracket, poor, middle class, and rich to help OTHERS and THEMSELVES to rise up and fight poverty and everything that is associated with it. The U.S. government can't and shouldn't be expected to just clean this mess up by itself.

if anyone wants an example, my g/f came from a broken home as well as a poor home. She herself admits this, BUT- she also got out there, worked her butt off through high school to get a scholarship to got to college and get an associate's degree. Now she works two jobs, has an apartment and is looking for a better job. She has also rejected food stamps even though she probably could have qualified for them in the beginning simply because she felt like she could do it on her own. Guess what? she did make it on her own without any help at all.

If she can turn her life around and make it by herself than anyone can. This is what I expect from anyone who has lived in a lower class home and I don't think it's too much. If recieving food stamps bad? no, but they are there to help you get back on your feet and support yourself, that is what the system was created for.

 

[CptStern]

you want to help fight poverty? ..ask your state senator why Time Warner paid exactly 0% in income tax in 2004 ..even though their net profits were over 4 billion $

 

[Kebean PFC]

No godamn it i am NOT saying that the majority of BLACKS are thugs, i am saying the majority of People there are. Whites included. The people are not try to help themselves, they are sitting on thier butts whining to the fedral government to come in a fix everything. It doesnt work that way, especially not when you are shooting at the helicopters and ambulances.

 

[john121]

finally someone who admits what we've all noticed and CNN, Fox, and other news casts won't report. Give Kebean PFC a mic and a cameraman!

 

[Absinthe]

No godamn it i am NOT saying that the majority of BLACKS are thugs, i am saying the majority of People there are.

That's a ridiculous statement no matter how you put it.

 

[Gray Fox]

you want to help fight poverty? ..ask your state senator why Time Warner paid exactly 0% in income tax in 2004 ..even though their net profits were over 4 billion $

I believe you and all, but I want a source to dig deeper in to it, cause wtf???