katrina victims trashing places, etc.

[Lemonking]

boah alder da kann ma man sagen:OWNED

 

[No Limit]

He pretty much worked odd jobs during that time period.

Oh crap it's true! He worked and earned money to survive! *universe implodes*

What kind of odd jobs? I know he wasn't working at a minimum wage job to support 2 kids.

I've already asked you, have you been in these circumstances? If not, STFU with the "better-than-thou" attitude.
I have "been in" these areas, have friends that live in these areas, done work in these areas, I'm no stranger to their lives.
Oh yes, and my mother lived in a "bad neighborhood" for about 5 years. A single mom, 2 daughters, never resorted to crime/violence to survive. She worked for a living.

She worked for a living, great. Where? And, how did her kids come out?

Have you?
I noticed how handily you ignored that question in my post. Good job!

Read post #77.

#1. There's a difference between stealing and killing/other violent crimes (which is what I'm mostly referring to with the crime stats)
#2. If these were decent human beings, they would take the hard labor.
I don't know how you can argue with that. 80 hours a week leaves 88 for the rest of your life, which is better than prison time, is it not?
I have sincere doubts that these people are so stupid that they would be stuck with a $5.15 an hour job for the rest of their life.

Have you ever worked 80 hours a week? I work 60 right now and I am ready to lose my mind. Again, its easy to say working 80 hours is nothing if you are the one that doesn't have to do it. For you to say you still have 80 hours for the rest of your life is complete arrogance on your part. To work 80 hours a week you would have to work between 11-12 hours each day of your life.

And your 'stupid' reference is again out of touch with reality. The reality is these people really can't do much better mostly because of discrimination in the work place, who would hire a person people like you describe as a thug?

How does poverty cause violent crime? How does poverty cause rape?

Bad morals cause rape and murder. I am not saying it is justified and that the person shouldn't be punished for it, I am saying our system is at the root of the problem.

I can see how poverty causes theft/drug abuse. Unlike you, I don't think it's justified, but I can see the correlation. That doesn't mean I should think better of these people because of it.

Again, you don't know anything about this.

I've worked for less than slave wages before, I'm still alive.

Examples please. Where, how many hours, and how much were you making? Also, did you have a family to support at the time?

Quote me where I said that would be the case, please.

You are implying it with every statement you make. You are saying everyone has a chance to make whatever they want of themselves, right?

Hmm..now what were we debating again?

How poverty is behind this 'thug' behavior as you put it.

 

[MiccyNarc]

What kind of odd jobs? I know he wasn't working at a minimum wage job to support 2 kids.

Occasional jobs from various employers, I don't remember exactly (it was years ago).

She worked for a living, great. Where?

She managed to get a job working as a secretary. She lived in an upstairs apartment in one of the worst neighborhoods in my city, and only spent her money on the bare necessities. I talked to her about it today, she lived for about 8 years like that.

And, how did her kids come out?

Her first daughter is now living in an upper-class neighborhood north of Washington D.C., married to an engineer and have adopted 1 child.
Her second got married to a marine, who is now one of the heads of a truck mechanic shop and are living comfortably with 3 kids.

Read post #77.

Ah, so you "have lived" in one of those bad areas. Good job getting out! I have worked in those neighborhoods (helping my dad out with various roofing jobs when he was out of regular work), my church is located in one of those areas, and most of my friends live in those areas. I'm no stranger to it.

And your 'stupid' reference is again out of touch with reality. The reality is these people really can't do much better mostly because of discrimination in the work place, who would hire a person people like you describe as a thug?

Don't come to your job interview dressed as and acting like a "thug". I don't believe that it's impossible to get out of those situations. What reason would a workplace have to discriminate against someone who is cleanly presented and acts capable?

Again, you don't know anything about this.

*bows to No Limits God-like knowledge*

Where, how many hours, and how much were you making?

Farm, 8-12 hours, $15 a day, 6 days a week. You do the math. No I didn't have a family to support, I made the choice to work there more out of want than necessity. I did it for a summer.

You are saying everyone has a chance to make whatever they want of themselves, right?

Incorrect. I'm saying that it's possible for people to recover and overcome their circumstances and move on with their life without breaking the law.

How poverty is behind this 'thug' behavior as you put it.

Hmmm....I don't think I ever said "thug" in any of my posts up until now.

 

[gh0st]

miccy quit playing his stupid game. you dont have to prove to him that you've been poor or whatever. you are just as qualified to speak as he is, and dont let him trick you into thinking you arent. let him live in his wonderland.

 

[Sulkdodds]

If I was Bliink, I'd tell you to stop using quote wars.

 

[Raziaar]

Bad morals cause rape and murder. I am not saying it is justified and that the person shouldn't be punished for it, I am saying our system is at the root of the problem.

LOL. I find this funny... its the liberal side of the equation thats always yelling out against morality.

 

[No Limit]

miccy quit playing his stupid game. you dont have to prove to him that you've been poor or whatever. you are just as qualified to speak as he is, and dont let him trick you into thinking you arent. let him live in his wonderland.

I don't think miccy needs your pathetic attempt at helping him out, he is far more qualified than you will ever be to participate in a mature debate. Do us all a favor and stop posting.

Occasional jobs from various employers, I don't remember exactly (it was years ago).

She managed to get a job working as a secretary. She lived in an upstairs apartment in one of the worst neighborhoods in my city, and only spent her money on the bare necessities. I talked to her about it today, she lived for about 8 years like that.

Her first daughter is now living in an upper-class neighborhood north of Washington D.C., married to an engineer and have adopted 1 child.
Her second got married to a marine, who is now one of the heads of a truck mechanic shop and are living comfortably with 3 kids.

Congratulations to them, my parents were in a horrible position like that too when I was young and the managed to get out. However, I think it is safe to say that your dad, your friend, along with my parents all had good role models that were there for them as well as weren't addicted to any drug.

Don't come to your job interview dressed as and acting like a "thug". I don't believe that it's impossible to get out of those situations. What reason would a workplace have to discriminate against someone who is cleanly presented and acts capable?

When you don't get the proper education because of horrible school funding and other factors it really shows, especially to an employer. You can go in there wearing a $5,000 suit if you wanted but if you can't articulate your words or write properly they can smell it a mile away and they will not hire you.

*bows to No Limits God-like knowledge*

Have you ever had a almost life long friend who you knew was a good person inside end his life because of drug addiction? Have you ever been addicted to drugs yourself? If you haven't you honestly know very little about the problem. Politicians sit around and pretend they know, they don't. You hear things like "why don't they just quit and make something of themselves" or "just say no"; these are totally arrogant things to say. I strongly believe drugs is at the root of most of the problems in this country today. I've seen people, good people, get destroyed by them (including myself). It is easy to blame the user when you don't understand the effects of drugs, and until you, and others, understand it the problem will never go away. Name any crime in a poverty sticken area, I am willing to bet 9 times out of 10 the problem started out with drug addiction.

Farm, 8-12 hours, $15 a day, 6 days a week. You do the math. No I didn't have a family to support, I made the choice to work there more out of want than necessity. I did it for a summer.

I've been working since I've been 12; but there is a fine line between working to get some extra cash and working to support yourself along with others. If you had kids and were making $15 (even double that) a day you would not be able to survive.

Incorrect. I'm saying that it's possible for people to recover and overcome their circumstances and move on with their life without breaking the law.

And I agree with that. But I think we disagree with how to actually get there. So instead of beating this dead horse and going back and forth let me ask you this; how do you think we can solve the problem of poverty?