Kerry or Bush.....or Nader

[seinfeldrules]

Right..... and....
Supporting him in what is happening like it or not is not the same thing as thinking it was the right policy. And you cut out the part of the same quote where Kerry is critical of Bush's choice: not that that's a big surprise from you.

I used the part that was valid to my argument. I could post entire speechs, but wouldnt that take up too much room?

 

[Apos]

Does a leader call out his fellow soldiers on commiting these atrocities?

That's exactly what a leader does: hold other people accountable. Those war crimes demeaned soldiers, and those that want to cover it up and lie about it are traitors to what this country stands for.

 

[Apos]

I used the part that was valid to my argument.

You don't even understand what "out of context" means, do you?

I'm... a... loser!

 

[seinfeldrules]

Allawi is also alleged to have personally executed six Iraqi prisoners in June 2004 to "send a clear message to the police on how to deal with insurgents".

which carried out bombings in Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

Allawi's INA organised terrorist attacks in Iraq between 1992 and 1995, allegedly including the bombing of a cinema and a school bus that killed school children

Off topic, but you still support the Palestinians that do this correct?

 

[seinfeldrules]

You don't even understand what "out of context" means, do you?

I posted the entire thing on page four if you need to see it. Its not like I ignored it. I hope we are talking about the same quote.

Originally Posted by Apos
G.W. Bush... for... President!

PS...I'm...a...loser...too

Im out until tonight. Things to do and people to meet.

 

[CptStern]

Off topic, but you still support the Palestinians that do this correct?

you really are an idiot


why did you come to that most idiotic of conclusions? ...Stop ****ing sidestepping and answer the damn question? ...highlighting the word "allegedly" as if that makes any difference ...Saddam "allegedly" had WMD but I guess that was good enough to invade the ****ing country and reduce it to ruin ...you're a hypocrite and a complete blind fool. You are the most dangerous of patriots, you slam a country for doing something yet lionize your own country when it does the exact same thing

So, I ask you again ...why does the US harbour terrorists? Why are they being hypocritical ..why did they put into power a known terrorist and murderer?

 

[Apos]

Kerry said Bush distorted the facts, yet they had access to the same intelligence and Kerry says that Saddam had WMD? Ok.

You are so clueless. You are simply repeating talking points you've heard without knowing anything about the issues involved. They didn't have access to all the same stuff (that one report is not the extent of all the intelligence!), and the charge is that the they distorted and spun what was there to sound more threatening and certain than it actually was. Kerry voted based on WMD being a potential threat we needed to find out about and deal with if necessary, and the remedies that Bush at the time promised seemed to be working. Except then Bush did suddenly something that was a 180 from what he had claimed: told the UN to stuff it, pre-empted the inspectors before they could finish: all the things he said he would do, he didn't. That's a fact, and a pretty big flip-flop itself.

Hell, Bush let a known terrorist get away three times just so his case for invading Iraq wouldn't be hurt (the guy was "in Iraq" so that they could claim that an Al Qaeda associate was "in" the country, but in reality he was outside the area controlled by Saddam and we didn't have to invade to get him because we already controlled that territory). Instead of killing him the way the military begged us to let them do, we let him get away... and now he's beheaded Americans and other people for sport in Iraq proper, having a fine old time. THAT is why no sensible person can support George Bush: he says he fights terrorism, but when it comes to our national security and politics, politics wins everytime.

 

[Apos]

Off topic, but you still support the Palestinians that do this correct?

Are you truly this retarded? Do you even know who Allawi is?

 

[seinfeldrules]

They didn't have access to all the same stuff (that one report is not the extent of all the intelligence!),

He said they had access to the same intelligence, did you even read the quote?

 

[seinfeldrules]

Are you truly this retarded? Do you even know who Allawi is?

You really need to calm down and stay away from the personal attacks. It only makes you look immature and way too involved.

 

[CptStern]

You really need to calm down and stay away from the personal attacks. It only makes you look immature and way too involved.

HAH!!!! that's so rich! this coming from the guy that made an avatar that linked portugal with nazis

 

[Korgoth]

HAH!!!! that's so rich! this coming from the guy that made an avatar that linked portugal with nazis

oh, heh, burn.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

I'd vote Nader, just because he seems like a fun and respecting guy. If a second choice was enabled, I'm not inclined on either Bush's front, or Kerry's front.

 

[Sprafa]

Kerry because unfortunately there's no one better.

 

[Asuka]

Other

Really dont care who wins. I dont vote doesnt matter to me.

 

[Neutrino]

He said he supported the President.

Addressing the whole "flip-flop" accusations concerning the war in Iraq.

John Kerry's Statement on Iraq Before the War
http://www.independentsforkerry.org/uploads/media/kerry-iraq.html

When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region. I will vote yes because I believe it is the best way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable. And the administration, I believe, is now committed to a recognition that war must be the last option to address this threat, not the first, and that we must act in concert with allies around the globe to make the world's case against Saddam Hussein.

.....

As the President made clear earlier this week, "Approving this resolution does not mean that military action is imminent or unavoidable." It means "America speaks with one voice."

.....

In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days--to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out.

.....

Let there be no doubt or confusion about where we stand on this. I will support a multilateral effort to disarm him by force, if we ever exhaust those other options, as the President has promised, but I will not support a unilateral U.S. war against Iraq unless that threat is imminent and the multilateral effort has not proven possible under any circumstances.

.....

Congressional action on this resolution is not the end of our national debate on how best to disarm Iraq. Nor does it mean we have exhausted all of our peaceful options to achieve this goal. There is much more to be done. The administration must continue its efforts to build support at the United Nations for a new, unfettered, unconditional weapons inspection regime.

.....

The international community's support will be critical because we will not be able to rebuild Iraq singlehandedly. We will lack the credibility and the expertise and the capacity.

.....

before one American soldier steps foot on Iraqi soil, the American people must understand completely its urgency. They need to know we put our country in the position of ultimate strength and that we have no options, short of war, to eliminate a threat we could not tolerate.

Kerry on Iraq in the Presidential Debate:

Bush has not been candid with Americans. He misled us on planning. Misled us on going to war as a last resort. Turned down help from United Nations. Chose the wrong way to disarm Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. "I've had one position, one consistent position, that Saddam Hussein was a threat."

Seems pretty consistent.

 

[Icarusintel]

I love the ignorance of everyone who's for Kerry just because he's not Bush, really makes me proud, or not

 

[Apos]

I'd vote Nader, just because he seems like a fun and respecting guy. If a second choice was enabled, I'm not inclined on either Bush's front, or Kerry's front.

Nader is an insufferable, senile old bore who spouts conspiracy theories nonstop whether anyone wants to listen or not. I've met him. How anyone could want to be in the same room as him, let alone have him lead a country, is beyond me.

 

[Apos]

He said they had access to the same intelligence, did you even read the quote?

The fact is, he didn't (though he didn't know that when he said that). That's because the report didn't make clear how shaky the evidence was: something it turns out Bush's people concealed.

You really need to calm down and stay away from the personal attacks. It only makes you look immature and way too involved.

Fact remains: do you even know who you are talking about?

 

[Phisionary]

Nader is an insufferable, senile old bore who spouts conspiracy theories nonstop whether anyone wants to listen or not. I've met him. How anyone could want to be in the same room as him, let alone have him lead a country, is beyond me.

I pretty much agree. I'm all for third party candidates. But not nader. He really bugs me...

I've heard that the national green party didn't support him. Some kind of internal disp[ute, I'm sketchy on the details... But there's no-one green on my states ticket, and the other green candidate won't run in contentious states. I respect that..

 

[Ghost Freeman]

If Nader wasn't so stalwart on gun control he'd get my vote. Other than that, I don't want Bush in office four more years. Kerry, please.

 

[Phoenix2001]

Everybody who votes nader indirectelly gives a vote to bush...that's why i don't understand why he can't act a bit less selflish and not run for president