Let us all laugh at this

this is actually pretty serious ...the patriot act lumps these types of groups in the same catagory as al qaeda. Killing civilians is hardly the same as petty vandalism

activism in the US really has a bad rep since 9/11 ...thanks to the media
 
A guy who was a member of the Animal Liberation Front killed Pim Fortuyn in the Netherlands, a right-winged prime minister candidate. So I wouldn't take it too lightly
 
RoyaleWithCheese said:
A guy who was a member of the Animal Liberation Front killed Pim Fortuyn in the Netherlands, a right-winged prime minister candidate. So I wouldn't take it too lightly
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"The Animal Liberation Front was started in Great Britain in the 1970s and later spread to the United States and elsewhere.

Although a number of ALF members have been arrested and convicted of crimes on both sides of the Atlantic, the group presents unique problems for law enforcement since in many respects it is more of a brand name for animal rights terrorism rather than a single overarching group. Activists who commit terrorist acts simply label their activities as being ALF actions -- there is no command structure or other formal organization."

source


one crazy doesnt define a movement....if that were true they should arrest both sides of the debate on abortion, same sex marriage/anti-same sex marriage, anti-corp/corporations, etc etc etc
 
Sometimes they go an terrorise lab professors outside their homes.

Protesting against the companies and governments who do it is one thing, but hurling firebombs through the windows of people's homes is wrong.

Beware the eco-menace!
 
only a very small minority do that ...just like only a small minority of anti-abortion groups firebomb clinics. I know several life-long animal activists and not one of them has ever been involved with any violent act
 
any \one play Civillization: Call-to-Power?

it had eco-terrorists in it. they could destroy an entire city.
 
I can't believe their called terrorists though

Animal Liberation Front Releases California Deer Herd
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DEAR GOD NO!!!

But when the academics get involved...oh boy.
It is obvious that not all violence is justified, but it is equally obvious that not all violence is unjustified. Self-defense is one example where it is acceptable and prudent to use force against another person if necessary. Beginning in 1974, the ALF declared war against animal oppressors and the state that defends them, but the ALF did not start the conflict. It entered into a war that animal exploiters long ago began. If one party succumbs to a war initiated by another party, it employs violence in self-defense and so its actions are legitimate. Acting as proxy agents for animals who cannot defend themselves, ALF actions in principle are just.
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This guy draws an analogy between human slavery and animal slavery as well. I have to disagree with that comparison..
 
Mr-Fusion said:
This guy draws an analogy between human slavery and animal slavery as well. I have to disagree with that comparison..
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most animal activists agree with you ...especially if the means to the end is violent
 
These poeple are assholes, they should be arrested. Destroying property has nothing to with animal activism, they are just assholes who like to take any excuse to destroy things. And to they are not in the same groupe as terrorists, cause the just destroy property, the don't want to ignite fear in a population by killing innocent people.
 
Actually, it is terrorism sometimes. A lot of times they simply commit vandalism, but groups like the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) are responsible for some serious arson/firebombings. There are kids who spraypaint the ELF logo on cars just randomly, and then there are true to the core ELF funded terrorists. Some of the things they've done are horrible and you can look them up.

It's not like they're Greenpeace or anything, which simply does disruptive acts, again- these people are bombers and arsonists.
 
There are better ways to get your point across than "petty vandalism". While the patriot may lump these together, do you really think it reserves the same punishment for people vandalizing things versus those who crash 767s into towers? Thats nuts.
 
This one is actually reasonably local to me:

April 4, 2005 Burton, UK: In letters to the media, a group calling itself the Animal Rights Militia offered to return “one-sixth” of the remains of the 82 year old mother-in-law of a part-owner of Darley Oakes Farm, which raises guinea pigs for biomedical research. The woman’s body was stolen from her grave in October. Several known animal rights activists have been arrested and bailed but the body has not been found. The letter offered GPS coordinates for the exact location where they said the partial remains were buried in a plastic container. The letter stated, “"We would have returned Gladys had the Halls taken steps towards closing down, but they did nothing. The Halls have a choice. If they take steps now to close they may not have to see one of their family or a friend buried... by us. We have disposed of one body no problem, the next one will be easier.” (See October 8, 2004)
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****ing disgusting bastards are as good as the animals they seek to protect. I have no sympathy if these guys fall foul of anti-terrorism laws.
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
Actually, it is terrorism sometimes. A lot of times they simply commit vandalism, but groups like the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) are responsible for some serious arson/firebombings. There are kids who spraypaint the ELF logo on cars just randomly, and then there are true to the core ELF funded terrorists. Some of the things they've done are horrible and you can look them up.

It's not like they're Greenpeace or anything, which simply does disruptive acts, again- these people are bombers and arsonists.
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oh call out the national guard they're vadalizing cars by spray painting them! throw them in guantanamo with all the other "guilty" terrorists :upstare:

like every group there's an element that believes violence is the only means of getting anything done ...these groups are about as rare as anti-abortionists who firebomb clinics or kill doctors. The majority of animal rights groups eschew violence ...I challenge anyone to attend a rally and witness for themselves how peaceful they are ...believe it or not many of the attendees are children
 
CptStern said:
oh call out the national guard they're vadalizing cars by spray painting them! throw them in guantanamo with all the other "guilty" terrorists :upstare:

like every group there's an element that believes violence is the only means of getting anything done ...these groups are about as rare as anti-abortionists who firebomb clinics or kill doctors. The majority of animal rights groups eschew violence ...I challenge anyone to attend a rally and witness for themselves how peaceful they are ...believe it or not many of the attendees are children
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Terrorists have children too. ;)
 
not necessarily ..I bet there's a few of them that are terrorists because they lost their children due to coalition bombing


in fact I know for a fact that if this was my child

I'd strap myself with whatever explosive I could find and give a great big bear hug to the first soldier I found
 
i'd join those guys any time, their activities sound like fun times
 
CptStern said:
not necessarily ..I bet there's a few of them that are terrorists because they lost their children due to coalition bombing


in fact I know for a fact that if this was my child

I'd strap myself with whatever explosive I could find and give a great big bear hug to the first soldier I found
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That was completely relevant to the topic and totally nessacery. Oh wait this isn't the cpt. stern anti war rant thread, nevermind.


Even though the ALF and similar groups are put together with terrorists, and many terrorist activities are often commited in their name, I doubt they would be treated as seriously as actual known terroist groups. But I will laugh at it anyway.


HAHA
edited bcuz i suk at teh keebored.
 
Sainku said:
That was completely relevant to the topic and totally nessacery. Oh wait this is the cpt. stern anti war rant thread, nevermind.
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this is the politics forum, this is MY domain ...all threads are "cpt. stern anti war rant threads" :cheese:
 
CptStern said:
not necessarily ..I bet there's a few of them that are terrorists because they lost their children due to coalition bombing


in fact I know for a fact that if this was my child

I'd strap myself with whatever explosive I could find and give a great big bear hug to the first soldier I found
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Thus making US soldiers and Military personel mad, and counter-attacking anything they find. Cmon stern, I thought you were anti-violence.
 
Dag said:
Thus making US soldiers and Military personel mad, and counter-attacking anything they find. Cmon stern, I thought you were anti-violence.
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not one it comes to defending my family
 
Or the people you've served with for years, been through hell and combat together? Are they not considered as close, if not closer, than family?
 
you obviously dont have a family of your own ..NOTHING is more important than family. Sorry but some guy I'm forced to run along with is NOT the same as your own flesh and blood.
 
CptStern said:
you obviously dont have a family of your own ..NOTHING is more important than family. Sorry but some guy I'm forced to run along with is NOT the same as your own flesh and blood.
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I would agree with you there.

People you get lumped together with tend to be asshats, to put it bluntly. They maybe your comrades for 3 or 5 years, but they haven't got nothing on that special person in your life.
 
Oh tree-hugging hippies, will you never learn?
In 28 Days Later, that WHOLE problem was essentially caused by these stupid mindless wankers, and if that's not a sound morality tale, I don't want to know what is.




NB: The thoughts, opinions and comments expressed in the above post may not actually correspond with those of its author and in no way represent el Chi in any way, shape or form, legal or otherwise.
 
el Chi said:
Oh tree-hugging hippies, will you never learn?
In 28 Days Later, that WHOLE problem was essentially caused by these stupid mindless wankers, and if that's not a sound morality tale, I don't want to know what is.
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:LOL: That gave me a good chuckle :E
 
el Chi said:
Oh tree-hugging hippies, will you never learn?
In 28 Days Later, that WHOLE problem was essentially caused by these stupid mindless wankers, and if that's not a sound morality tale, I don't want to know what is.




NB: The thoughts, opinions and comments expressed in the above post may not actually correspond with those of its author and in no way represent el Chi in any way, shape or form, legal or otherwise.
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oh, el Chi, all the tree-hugging hippies are all dead or very old, sixies are over, wake up and face the reality, pothead
 
el Chi said:
Oh tree-hugging hippies, will you never learn?
In 28 Days Later, that WHOLE problem was essentially caused by these stupid mindless wankers, and if that's not a sound morality tale, I don't want to know what is.




NB: The thoughts, opinions and comments expressed in the above post may not actually correspond with those of its author and in no way represent el Chi in any way, shape or form, legal or otherwise.
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that made me load up my shotgun and look out for telltale signs of zombie-ism from my co-workers :O :sleep:
 
iyfyoufhl said:
oh, el Chi, all the tree-hugging hippies are all dead or very old, sixies are over, wake up and face the reality, pothead
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Oh no they're not, dear boy; they're alive and well and living in London. All over London.

I'd like to make it clear that I have nothing whatsoever against the hippie ideals. The hippie movement of the '60s and '70s was, generally, a positive one. It's just people who try and apply the exact same things nowadays and are a bit too airy-fairy for their own good. People who are essentially hippies but have a firm handle on how the real world works, I have no problem with.
Nor do I have a problem with animal rights groups, just so long as they don't go too far (like the ones Kangy mentioned, or the ones that caused that unwholesome bout of zombie-ism).

You know what's REALLY bad? The RSPCA gets more in donations than the NSPCC. The British public should be proud of themselves.
 
el Chi said:
Oh no they're not, dear boy; they're alive and well and living in London. All over London.

I'd like to make it clear that I have nothing whatsoever against the hippie ideals. The hippie movement of the '60s and '70s was, generally, a positive one. It's just people who try and apply the exact same things nowadays and are a bit too airy-fairy for their own good. People who are essentially hippies but have a firm handle on how the real world works, I have no problem with.
Nor do I have a problem with animal rights groups, just so long as they don't go too far (like the ones Kangy mentioned, or the ones that caused that unwholesome bout of zombie-ism).

You know what's REALLY bad? The RSPCA gets more in donations than the NSPCC. The British public should be proud of themselves.
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i was joking, because i'm sort of a tree-hugging hippy (i don't like the label though), so i got sort of offended
 
CptStern said:
oh call out the national guard they're vadalizing cars by spray painting them! throw them in guantanamo with all the other "guilty" terrorists :upstare:
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The exact point I made in my post was that the ones who are being referred to as terrorists aren't the car vandals and there's a clear distinction,--> they're the firebombers and arsonists. Read what I have written there in what you quoted.

CptStern said:
like every group there's an element that believes violence is the only means of getting anything done ...these groups are about as rare as anti-abortionists who firebomb clinics or kill doctors. The majority of animal rights groups eschew violence ...I challenge anyone to attend a rally and witness for themselves how peaceful they are ...believe it or not many of the attendees are children
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Right and the violent ones need to be put away from any wing of any belief.
 
I get fed up with "animal rights" people who think they are doing the world a favor but just cause more problems.
Often young people, while having feelings for animals mainly just react because they are young and want something to fight against.

They do idiotic things, yeah lets release a load of minks into the country side and end up with 100's of animals suffering from mink attacks (not to mention the minks being tracked down and killed anyway)
Oh lets attempt to sink an oil tanker, causing a massive oil leak NICE ONE!

My blood boils when i see a home of a reseacher attacked by animal rights people.
If i was to ever get a job with animal research and my house was attacked, i'd find the people and rip their throat out.
 
short recoil said:
I get fed up with "animal rights" people who think they are doing the world a favor but just cause more problems.
Often young people, while having feelings for animals mainly just react because they are young and want something to fight against.

They do idiotic things, yeah lets release a load of minks into the country side and end up with 100's of animals suffering from mink attacks (not to mention the minks being tracked down and killed anyway)
Oh lets attempt to sink an oil tanker, causing a massive oil leak NICE ONE!

My blood boils when i see a home of a reseacher attacked by animal rights people.
If i was to ever get a job with animal research and my house was attacked, i'd find the people and rip their throat out.
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Look I get tired of explaining this: just like every other major issue there are people who believe violence is the only means to an end. The MAJORITY of animal rights groups are NON-VIOLENT. My sister in law is an animal rights lawyer ..in her 20+ years of practicing law not once has she had a run in with a violent group. On the contrary animal rights groups are often attacked by hunters, fishermen, the police etc etc etc. In fact she's presiding over a case where the owner of a Marine animal zoo ran over a peaceful protestor with his SUV ....yet the police refused to press charges because he also hppens to own the majority of the city (those of you who live near niagra falls stay away from Marine Land) This is the same person that had tuberculosis infected deer in his children's petting zoo. tuberculosis is an airborne disease. If not for the fact that animal rights groups brought this to the media's attention it would still be open to the public (it is but all sick animals have been euthanized)


If people like you knew even 10% of the cruelty visited upon animals I'm sure you'd change your mind ..seriously you people need to stop looking at the bad they do and start looking at the good ...how many animals have been saved from cruel fates? how many animals have been rescued from deplorable conditions? My dog was saved from a puppy mill when he was a puppy by a group of activists and law enforcement agents ..to this day he is still terrified of corners, needs to be carried down flights of stairs and is terrified of strangers ...but all you people see is the 1% who cause shit ..it's pretty deplorable that you people overlook the horror that humans wreak on the animal population yet focus on the negative aspects of what some activists do
 
CptStern said:
Look I get tired of explaining this: just like every other major issue there are people who believe violence is the only means to an end. The MAJORITY of animal rights groups are NON-VIOLENT. My sister in law is an animal rights lawyer ..in her 20+ years of practicing law not once has she had a run in with a violent group. On the contrary animal rights groups are often attacked by hunters, fishermen, the police etc etc etc. In fact she's presiding over a case where the owner of a Marine animal zoo ran over a peaceful protestor with his SUV ....yet the police refused to press charges because he also hppens to own the majority of the city (those of you who live near niagra falls stay away from Marine Land) This is the same person that had tuberculosis infected deer in his children's petting zoo. tuberculosis is an airborne disease. If not for the fact that animal rights groups brought this to the media's attention it would still be open to the public (it is but all sick animals have been euthanized)


If people like you knew even 10% of the cruelty visited upon animals I'm sure you'd change your mind ..seriously you people need to stop looking at the bad they do and start looking at the good ...how many animals have been saved from cruel fates? how many animals have been rescued from deplorable conditions? My dog was saved from a puppy mill when he was a puppy by a group of activists and law enforcement agents ..to this day he is still terrified of corners, needs to be carried down flights of stairs and is terrified of strangers ...but all you people see is the 1% who cause shit ..it's pretty deplorable that you people overlook the horror that humans wreak on the animal population yet focus on the negative aspects of what some activists do
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Very well said, CptStern :)

And that Marine Land in Niagara Falls...ugh....just ugh...
 
Ya these people are ignorant assholes (a lot like PETA), my mom use to show dogs and some crazy ****ers would go around putting anti-freeze in the dogs water bowls. Also at some show in another state they let a bunch of the dogs out to free them, most ended up dead in the intersection...these guys are real smart. They do it because they think these dogs have a bad homelife, BS, I treat my dog better than I do my little brother.
 
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