Let's start the next American revolution

[Raziaar]

The age of consent should be when people are biologically mature enough.

Why, so we can let people populate the eart at an even more alarming rate?

Age of consent should be when one is mentally mature enough, not biologically mature enough. Both come at different points in life.

 

[CptStern]

age of consent should be 18 but with a stipulation that there cant be more than 2-3 years apart in age. The age of consent being so low facilitates pedophelia and abuse of children by adults ...as long as their is consent a 14 yr old could date a 40 year ..which is just freakin disgusting

 

[Raziaar]

age of consent should be 18 but with a stipulation that there cant be more than 2-3 years apart in age. The age of consent being so low facilitates pedophelia and abuse of children by adults ...as long as their is consent a 14 yr old could date a 40 year ..which is just freakin disgusting

Funnily enough, I agree with you on this. At least we see eye to eye on some things.

 

[GhostBoi]

Revolution for all the wrong reasons, the reason we need to start a revolution is because of the energy crisis that we will be facing in our lifetimes. America uses 25% of the worlds oil, and produces less than 8% of it. We need reform in driving standards, such as a 50 mph speed limit. We need to rebuild our pathetic railroad systems. Railroads are extremely more efficient than the millions of trucks trucking across the highway delivering much needed food. The government needs to get rid of the extremely unefficient suburbia, by taxing them all to hell, and giving benefits to those who want to live in the cities. "Technological advances" are all BS, yes you can use ethanol to power cars, but the corporate farmland that produces all of this alternative fuel uses oil and natural gas to fertilize and pesticize all the farmland. Hydrogen is not an energy source, its a clean energy Carrrier. Extreme energy policy reform is needed to avoid a depression, or worse.

A very interesting video(long) about our energy predicament. HERE

 

[Angry Lawyer]

age of consent should be 18 but with a stipulation that there cant be more than 2-3 years apart in age.

So you're in the camp of "J, you should dump Lawyer because he's 20 and you're 26."?

-Angry Lawyer

 

[CptStern]

So you're in the camp of "J, you should dump Lawyer because he's 20 and you're 26."?

-Angry Lawyer

umm no, I'm in the camp of "lets not facilitate adults abusing kids" ..it has nothing to do with the ages of the children involved but rather it's a means of protecting them from adults

 

[Nat Turner]

Revolution for all the wrong reasons, the reason we need to start a revolution is because of the energy crisis that we will be facing in our lifetimes. America uses 25% of the worlds oil, and produces less than 8% of it. We need reform in driving standards, such as a 50 mph speed limit. We need to rebuild our pathetic railroad systems. Railroads are extremely more efficient than the millions of trucks trucking across the highway delivering much needed food. The government needs to get rid of the extremely unefficient suburbia, by taxing them all to hell, and giving benefits to those who want to live in the cities. "Technological advances" are all BS, yes you can use ethanol to power cars, but the corporate farmland that produces all of this alternative fuel uses oil and natural gas to fertilize and pesticize all the farmland. Hydrogen is not an energy source, its a clean energy Carrrier. Extreme energy policy reform is needed to avoid a depression, or worse.

A very interesting video(long) about our energy predicament. HERE

Yes you have some very good points there.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

umm no, I'm in the camp of "lets not facilitate adults abusing kids" ..it has nothing to do with the ages of the children involved but rather it's a means of protecting them from adults

I'm in the camp as "As soon as you turn 18, you're pretty much an adult, and as long as you love the other half, it doesn't matter if they're 18 or 80"

The limit should be 16 (it is in England), and for 16-17, they should be warded from actively going for people much older than them.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Raziaar]

Well, yeah except the suburbia part. I feel safer out in the suburbs, honestly, than in the city. Both traffic/crime wise.

 

[CptStern]

I'm in the camp as "As soon as you turn 18, you're pretty much an adult, and as long as you love the other half, it doesn't matter if they're 18 or 80"

The limit should be 16 (it is in England), and for 16-17, they should be warded from actively going for people much older than them.

-Angry Lawyer

I believe it should be 18 because I dont think a 16 yr old shouldnt date someone much older (I dont think an 18 yr old should either but I also think they've reached an age of adulthood ..at least legally)

 

[Loc-Dog]

I believe it should be 18 because I dont think a 16 yr old shouldnt date someone much older (I dont think an 18 yr old should either but I also think they've reached an age of adulthood ..at least legally)

Why would you make it illegal for people to have sex? The only one that knows when they're ready is themselves. Having a goverment go "you're not mature enough to use your own body" is nothing but oppressive.

Too many god damn christians in the world.

 

[Shakermaker]

I am not an American citizen. Can I still join?

 

[Nat Turner]

Why would you make it illegal for people to have sex? The only one that knows when they're ready is themselves. Having a goverment go "you're not mature enough to use your own body" is nothing but oppressive.

Too many god damn christians in the world.

It's probably because CptStern likes to enforce his morals on everyone else. Makes him happier maybe.

 

[CptStern]

Why would you make it illegal for people to have sex? The only one that knows when they're ready is themselves. Having a goverment go "you're not mature enough to use your own body" is nothing but oppressive.

Too many god damn christians in the world.

:upstare: ..consent does not mean prohibit

 

[Nat Turner]

:upstare: ..consent does not mean prohibit

Telling people that they can't have sex because they aren't old enough is ridiculous. It's their own ****ing body.

 

[CptStern]

ah ya yaiiiiiiii!!! does no one listen to what I say? or do you all just cherry pick what you want?

a minor can only have sex with an adult if they both consent

it has NOTHING to do with whether people are allowed to have sex ..it's about keeping ADULTS away from children NOT penalizing minors

you people are waaaaaay to quick to react to everything I say ...even if it's completely inaccurate

 

[Nat Turner]

ah ya yaiiiiiiii!!! does no one listen to what I say? or do you all just cherry pick what you want?

a minor can only have sex with an adult if they both consent

it has NOTHING to do with whether people are allowed to have sex ..it's about keeping ADULTS away from children NOT penalizing minors

you people are waaaaaay to quick to react to everything I say ...even if it's completely inaccurate

I thought you said the age of consent was 18.

Anyways, if it's a consensual affair, neither should be criminally penalized.

 

[CptStern]

so a 40 year old can go out with a 14 yr old as long as they give consent?

 

[Nat Turner]

so a 40 year old can go out with a 14 yr old as long as they give consent?

Yes, if they are both happy with it. Personally I would find it extremely strange, but I wouldn't impose my own values on them. If there is no victim, there is no crime IMO.

 

[CptStern]

no victem? the 14 yr old is the victem ..the 14 year old is still a child ..you're advocating for consented pedopehilia?


I'm no prude but I dont think a 40 yr old should date a minor that's pretty disgusting and amounts to statutory rape

 

[Nat Turner]

no victem? the 14 yr old is the victem ..the 14 year old is still a child ..you're advocating for consented pedopehilia?

A 14 yr old is not a child (he is an adolescent rather), so by the dictionary, medical, and legal definitions it does not constitute pedophilia. Also, if the 14 yr old does not believe he is a victim, then he is simply not.

I'm no prude but I dont think a 40 yr old should date a minor that's pretty disgusting and amounts to statutory rape

Oh well, those are your own morals. I'm sorry to see you wish to legislate them. Should we ban homosexual acts and sodomy next because you may find them disgusting?

 

[CptStern]

A 14 yr old is not a child (he is an adolescent rather), so by the dictionary, medical, and legal definitions it does not constitute pedophilia. Also, if the 14 yr old does not believe he is a victim, then he is simply not.

victems often dont see themselves as victems ..and it is statutory rape

Oh well, those are your own morals. I'm sorry to see you wish to legislate them. Should we ban homosexual acts and sodomy next because you may find them disgusting?

sometimes I really feel like screaming ..you didnt understand anything I said ..by raising age of consent a child is protected from an ADULT ..it's not punative to children, it doesnt prohibit sex between consenting adults it prevents ADULTS from exploiting minors

 

[Sulkdodds]

A 14 yr old is not a child (he is an adolescent rather), so by the dictionary, medical, and legal definitions it does not constitute pedophilia. Also, if the 14 yr old does not believe he is a victim, then he is simply not.

Many kids being abused by paedophiles might not realise it's wrong and/or might not speak out about it. Plus not all 14 year olds are ready to have sex, Nat.

 

[Nat Turner]

Plus not all 14 year olds are ready to have sex, Nat.

Then maybe they shouldn't consent to it!!

Obviously.

 

[CptStern]

nor should their first time be with an adult twice their age ...am I the only one who finds sex with minors disgusting?

Nat if your were a parent would you allow your 14 yr old daughter date someone twice her age?

 

[Nat Turner]

nor should their first time be with an adult twice their age ...am I the only one who finds sex with minors disgusting?

Nat if your were a parent would you allow your 14 yr old daughter date someone twice her age?

A lot of people think sex with gays is disgusting too. Your stance is very hypocritical considering you're an advocate for gay rights.

No I would not let her, but that has nothing to do with legislating stuff into law.

 

[CptStern]

A lot of people think sex with gays is disgusting too. Your stance is very hypocritical considering you're an advocate for gay rights.

No I would not let her, but that has nothing to do with legislating stuff into law.

you cant compare an adult consentual relationship to the abuse of a minor


and why wouldnt you allow her to date someone twice her age ..there must be a reason

 

[Nat Turner]

you cant compare an adult consentual relationship to the abuse of a minor

It's only abuse when the minor feels that it is. And yes the situations are comparable, people are people and as such should be able to make decisions at almost any age. Should it be illegal to have sex with a 25 year old women with an IQ of 65 bcause she may not understand the consequences?

and why wouldnt you allow her to date someone twice her age ..there must be a reason

My reasons are arbitrary. I also would not want her to wear slutty clothes. Should that be illegal too?

 

[CptStern]

It's only abuse when the minor feels that it is. And yes the situations are comparable, people are people and as such should be able to make decisions at almost any age. Should it be illegal to have sex with a 25 year old women with an IQ of 65 bcause she may not understand the consequences?

it is illegal to have sex with a minor even if it is consentual ..the law only becomes into play IF the minor presses charges. It's called statutory rape

My reasons are arbitrary. I also would not want her to wear slutty clothes. Should that be illegal too?

there's a reason you're not answering the question

 

[kirovman]

It's only abuse when the minor feels that it is. And yes the situations are comparable, people are people and as such should be able to make decisions at almost any age.

Newborns are ready to make their own descisions? I do realise you put the word 'almost', so in that case: 3 year olds?

 

[Nat Turner]

Newborns are ready to make their own descisions?

No, because newborns aren't even sentient. They require parents to even survive.

 

[short recoil]

Newborns are ready to make their own descisions?

Yes, i doubt they would decide to have sex.

 

[Nat Turner]

Newborns are ready to make their own descisions? I do realise you put the word 'almost', so in that case: 3 year olds?

It would be too difficult to prove the consent, since they don't even understand the term, so no. That argument is pretty ridiculous tho, it's like banning gay marriage because someone might marry his dog.

 

[Nat Turner]

it is illegal to have sex with a minor even if it is consentual ..the law only becomes into play IF the minor presses charges. It's called statutory rape

Um I'm saying what should be legal. Not what is legal or not. Also even though it is illegal (as statutory rape), it's not pedophilia unless the minor is younger than 13. Look up the legal definition if you don't believe me.

Also the minor doesn't have to press charges, the parent can in his place. I hate it when people need to use the law to parent their own children, and I think that should change.

there's a reason you're not answering the question

I think it's too bizarre, so I wouldn't let her. That's a parenting decision though, and doesn't mean it should be legislated into law.

 

[CptStern]

Um I'm saying what should be legal. Not what is legal or not. Also even though it is illegal (as statutory rape), it's not pedophilia unless the minor is younger than 13. Look up the legal definition if you don't believe me.

Also the minor doesn't have to press charges, the parent can. I hate it when people need to use the law to parent their own children, and I think that should change.

to me a minor is still a child regardless of age ..it's still abuse

I think it's too bizarre, so I wouldn't let her. That's a parenting decision though, and doesn't mean it should be legislated into law.

yes but why is it bizarre?

 

[Nat Turner]

to me a minor is still a child regardless of age ..it's still abuse

Then you're wrong. A minor is not necessarily a child. It's only abuse because you arbitrarily decide to legislate your own morals. I could also call sodomy abuse using the same logic.

yes but why is it bizarre?

It's my own personal belief.

 

[kirovman]

It would be too difficult to prove the consent, since they don't even understand the term, so no. That argument is pretty ridiculous tho, it's like banning gay marriage because someone might marry his dog.

I don't understand that analogy... gay people are consentual, and the correct term for marrying your dog would be beastial marriage.

 

[Nat Turner]

I don't understand that analogy... gay people are consentual, and the correct term for marrying your dog would be beastial marriage.

A man and an adolescent can be consensual too.

A woman and a dog can be consensual.

 

[CptStern]

Then you're wrong. A minor is not necessarily a child. It's only abuse because you arbitrarily decide to legislate your own morals. I could also call sodomy abuse using the same logic.

how ..no really I'd like to see how you can rationalize that

legislate my own morals? what are you talking? this NOTHING to do with morals but rather potecting children from ADULTS ..how many times do I have to say that this isnt punative to children but rather to adults?

It's my own personal belief.

....which are? just answer it directly ..why wouldnt it be ok for your 14 yr old daughter to date someone twice her age?




edit: ...did you really just say sex between an animal and a human can be consentual? ..... :O

 

[Nat Turner]

how ..no really I'd like to see how you can rationalize that

legislate my own morals? what are you talking? this NOTHING to do with morals but rather potecting children from ADULTS ..how many times do I have to say that this isnt punative to children but rather to adults?
....which are? just answer it directly ..why wouldnt it be ok for your 14 yr old daughter to date someone twice her age?

It should not be punitive to adults. That's my point. If an adolescent willingly has sex with an adult, then the affair was consensual. Nobody should face trial or go to court over it. It's only your morals that make you think it's so extraordinarily bizarre that the consenting adolescent becomes a victim.

Here's a news-flash: teens have been marrying and having sex with people twice their age all throughout history. Were they all violated even if they wanted it?

I don't have a solid reason for the 14yr old daughter question. Parenting can be based on random morality or values. The law shouldn't be.

edit: ...did you really just say sex between an animal and a human can be consentual? ..... :O

Yes.