Let's start the next American revolution

[Yuri]

Whoa, I'm confused.

It's illegal for an adult to have sex with a minor. It is staturatory rape, even if there is consent between the two. The adult can be arrested and face jail time.

If two minors have sex, they can actually both be accused of staturatory rape.

These are US laws, though.


Also, Nat... that's a strange comment. :|

 

[Lou]

oh man

 

[Raeven0]

This is long.

The Bill of Rights will all be maintained, so that the government won't fly out of bounds and restrict people's freedoms (even if the government convinces the majority to be against freedom).

That makes sense to me.

Drugs will all be legal. Most firearms will be legal. True self-defense will be legal (someone invades your property, you should be able to fight back).

Okay.

It should be very hard for the government to obtain a warrant to enter your property.

How hard?

Teacher unions will be abolished, but teachers will be paid more.

Take salary away from the mediocre teachers to pay the good ones better.

Most public schools, roads, facilities will be upheld.

Okay.

Prostitution will be legal. Age of consent will be 12 or 13.

Well, hell, the kids are ****ing at 13 anyway. (I'm not sure I understand age-of-consent law at all, and the rest of this thread hasn't helped.)

Abortion will be legal.

Can't argue with that.

The military will be 1/10 to 1/15 its current size. We won't have soldiers randomly stationed in foreign countries. No offensive wars except in a WW2 situation.

It's nice to have a reasonable standing military, at least until all the idiots in the world cease to exist. Our soldiers don't belong in random other countries without damn good reason. Offence is generally bad, especially when we're the only nation on Earth actually on the offensive.

Taxes will be done through only consumption and property. No income tax.

How come?

Every person (yes rich or poor) receives $100 stipend a week, just so capitalism won't go out of bounds and so that everyone has a chance. Other than that, there will be free trade (free trade helps people a ton).

I can't see any obvious problems with this, except the small issue of handing out $30 billion at the beginning of every week. Where are we going to get that kind of money? High taxes?

Lots of money will go into medical research.
There will be a national healthcare system.

More high taxes?

Tax money cannot go into campaign funds.

That sounds only proper.

CIA, NSA, DIA, homeland security departments will be abolished.

What's wrong with the CIA?

Farms will stop being subsidized (wasted food).

Well, farmers are important...

Department of education will be abolished, education will be funded on a state level.

And none of this one-school-district-per-area stuff.

A ton of government beaucracy and redtape will simply be abolished. This allows more money to go to healthcare and the $100 a week thing.

When I was first getting my driver licence, it took two hours, five trips around town, and several signed forms to finally find out that my stepfather couldn't sign for me. Down with bureaucracy!

Immigration will be extremely easy. If you want to live in America, you simply travel here and become a citizen. No test, nothing.

Pero no queremos que los extranjeros quien son ignorante de todas cosas Americanas tenga los beneficios de ciudadani'a Americana, ¿verdad?

The republic and elections etc. will be maintained. President gets elected through a direct vote (not electorate), and can remain in office up to 4 terms.

Hooray.

Private charities will be very much encouraged.

I love charities.

That's all I can really think of right now. I can't estimate what the level of taxation will be, but it's probably lower than it is today.

I think you're gonna need taxes to finance some of your ventures

 

[short recoil]

DON'T DO THAT!!!!!!!

Please please please do not have about 20 quotations with silly remarks, it really pisses me off.

 

[Raeven0]

Please please please do not have about 20 quotations with silly remarks, it really pisses me off.

I have to respond to each one, and it's much easier on all readers to be reminded of what I'm responding to. Suggest a better way and I'll surely implement it, because I don't particularly like quotes myself...

 

[Nat Turner]

Quote:
It should be very hard for the government to obtain a warrant to enter your property.

How hard?

That's a good question. I have a friend who has had his house raided by the police with warrants 30 times in 2 months. Perhaps every warrant should be obtained from a panel of judges, not just a single judge. I'm not sure though about how to specifically address this.

Quote:
Teacher unions will be abolished, but teachers will be paid more.

Take salary away from the mediocre teachers to pay the good ones better.

I think that if teachers are paid more, then there will be a higher demand for teaching positions, and so there will be more good people for the job. Also without teacher unions the crappy teachers can actually be fired.

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The military will be 1/10 to 1/15 its current size. We won't have soldiers randomly stationed in foreign countries. No offensive wars except in a WW2 situation.

It's nice to have a reasonable standing military, at least until all the idiots in the world cease to exist. Our soldiers don't belong in random other countries without damn good reason. Offence is generally bad, especially when we're the only nation on Earth actually on the offensive.

I think the conventional military is largely useless. It should be used almost entirely for defense, and it would be extremely hard for any country to actually invade us. If a situation were dire enough, we would resort to nukes. Basically, there's no good reason to maintain a large military since our country should stop policing the world.

Quote:
Taxes will be done through only consumption and property. No income tax.

How come?

By having a consumption tax, the rich wouldn't be able to cleverly manipulate the system to unfairly be taxed less. The consumption tax also affects the rich the most (it's just how it works out, I forget exactly how). Property taxes should go to the local governments in towns, like they do already, to pay for roads and schools and such. There's really no need for an income tax. I'm not very definite on this taxation issue, tho. It gets very complicated when you look into it. I know for a fact though that the current taxation policies need to be severely reformed.

Quote:
Every person (yes rich or poor) receives $100 stipend a week, just so capitalism won't go out of bounds and so that everyone has a chance. Other than that, there will be free trade (free trade helps people a ton).

I can't see any obvious problems with this, except the small issue of handing out $30 billion at the beginning of every week. Where are we going to get that kind of money? High taxes?

I'm actually not too sure about this, on second thought it should probably be restricted a lot more. Basically everyone should be free to live their own lives, and also be entitled to shelter and food every day. I'm not really sure about the best way to do this without encouraging unemployment.

Quote:
Lots of money will go into medical research.
There will be a national healthcare system.

More high taxes?

Having a national healthcare system is very important for a variety of reasons. I think it merits the taxation, moreso than many other things. Medical research greatly improves society in the long run. It might be better if this is privatized, though. Who knows, maybe old age would be cured.

CIA, NSA, DIA, homeland security departments will be abolished.
What's wrong with the CIA?

It's a giant waste of money to spy on other countries. We shouldn't meddle in other countries' affairs unless they want us there and if it's important enough (in which case we wouldn't be spying and would not need the CIA).

Quote:
Farms will stop being subsidized (wasted food).

Well, farmers are important...

The problem is that farmers are currently being paid to destroy their food (I think). Having a mixture of price controls and subsidation simply messes up a lot of things. We currently are producing so much food that there is no reason for them to be subsidized.

Immigration will be extremely easy. If you want to live in America, you simply travel here and become a citizen. No test, nothing.
Pero no queremos que los extranjeros quien son ignorante de todas cosas Americanas tenga los beneficios de ciudadani'a Americana, ¿verdad?

A lot of immigrants are hard workers. There's no problem if they come here, even if they don't speak English or don't know enough American history. (I think that answers your question? I only know some spanish lol)

I think you're gonna need taxes to finance some of your ventures

You'd be surprised. So much money goes to the military, beaucracy, other countries ($4 billion to Israel a year I think!) and other things that would be cut. I'm pretty sure that it would be less in the end under the new system.

edit:

People who voluntarily damage their bodies (alcohol, smoking, other drugs) shouldn't receive free healthcare for the damages wrought. Just wanted to add this.

Also the $100 a week thing could bring massive inflations problem. It might be a cruddy idea in general.

 

[Shodan]

I have to respond to each one, and it's much easier on all readers to be reminded of what I'm responding to. Suggest a better way and I'll surely implement it, because I don't particularly like quotes myself...

Just one piece of text use things like "in response to your remark" etc instead of

Someone has made a point here

"Yeah so what lol"

 

[evil^milk]

question: how?
(didn't read thread)

I find the US to be great. Mexico, on the other hand...

 

[OvA]

When cherries are red, they're ready for plucking.

When girls are 16.........

 

[Raeven0]

Nat.IncomeTax: Well, why can't we just produce a system that rich punks can't exploit?

Nat.Stipend: It does have a good chance of causing problems. Ever since I've had half of my current intellect, I've been in love with the idea of giving everyone a chance to jump into capitalistic society--but the only ones who really need help are good, hard-working people who can't (that says can't, not don't want to) get a job. We would need government investigators or something (neighbourhood watchdogs, anyone?) to make sure that no unemployed bigots who exist only to produce children and buy booze are taking advantage of the system.

Nat.CIA: I like knowing about other countries that may harbour hostility toward us, but we wouldn't want to spend a lot of energy spying on, say, the UK.

Nat.Immigrants: The Spanish said (read?) something like "but we don't want immigrants totally ignorant of all American things to have the benefits of American citizenship, right?". I don't think a person with no knowledge of a nation's history, government, or national language is entitled to citizenship in that country. If they want to work here, they ought to live here; if they want to live here, they ought to understand what it means to live here.

Nat.Taxes: I wouldn't mind paying relatively higher taxes to support a good government, but I don't think most people agree with me

Nat.SelfDamage: That's good. Maybe significantly reduce the healthcare benefits for people who smoke and drink.

Shodan.ResponseStyle: Is this better?

 

[short recoil]

Nat.IncomeTax: Well, why can't we just produce a system that rich punks can't exploit?

Nat.Stipend: It does have a good chance of causing problems. Ever since I've had half of my current intellect, I've been in love with the idea of giving everyone a chance to jump into capitalistic society--but the only ones who really need help are good, hard-working people who can't (that says can't, not don't want to) get a job. We would need government investigators or something (neighbourhood watchdogs, anyone?) to make sure that no unemployed bigots who exist only to produce children and buy booze are taking advantage of the system.

Nat.CIA: I like knowing about other countries that may harbour hostility toward us, but we wouldn't want to spend a lot of energy spying on, say, the UK.

Nat.Immigrants: The Spanish said (read?) something like "but we don't want immigrants totally ignorant of all American things to have the benefits of American citizenship, right?". I don't think a person with no knowledge of a nation's history, government, or national language is entitled to citizenship in that country. If they want to work here, they ought to live here; if they want to live here, they ought to understand what it means to live here.

Nat.Taxes: I wouldn't mind paying relatively higher taxes to support a good government, but I don't think most people agree with me

Nat.SelfDamage: That's good. Maybe significantly reduce the healthcare benefits for people who smoke and drink.

Shodan.ResponseStyle: Is this better?

That's far better imo, saved me a new mouse anyway.