Marijuana may actually be good for the brain

[CptStern]

Isaiah be smokin' de herb, Ja be praised!

 

[Raziaar]

Haha, OH and for those who think smoking is against thier religion too... here, this is a good read that I found interesting...

http://www.equalrights4all.org/religious/bible.htm

"The Lord said unto me, 'I will take my rest and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs.' " - Isaiah 18:4-5

Well, guess it ignores all the stuff in the bible about avoiding doing things that alter the mind's state.

 

[Milkman]

Marijuana isn't good for the brain. Just ask all of the high school drop out stoners that used to go to my school.

Of course you could relate their cognitive failure to bad upbringing, poor economic situation or cronic mental inefficiencies, but I like to think it was the weed that finally did them in.

 

[Pesmerga]

what's a mary jane

 

[CptStern]

Well, guess it ignores all the stuff in the bible about avoiding doing things that alter the mind's state.

so if I spin really fast in a circle I'll get dizzy therefore changing my state of mind ..is that a sin?

 

[Pesmerga]

so if I spin really fast in a circle I'll get dizzy therefore changing my state of mind ..is that a sin?

Keeping the mind in a constant fixed state is impossible, you would die.

The bible wants us all to die.

That's a popular religion.

 

[Raziaar]

so if I spin really fast in a circle I'll get dizzy therefore changing my state of mind ..is that a sin?

It's talking about substances...

Don't be an idiot, its beneath you.

 

[CptStern]

It's talking about substances...

Don't be an idiot, its beneath you.

the point is that there are many things that alter the mind ..how can they pick and choose what is ok? wine is allowed, so is alcohol ..I dont see how one thing can be a sin but not another

 

[Milkman]

so if I spin really fast in a circle I'll get dizzy therefore changing my state of mind ..is that a sin?

I don't think thats a state of mind, your equilibrium is off balance, your mind is still preceiving the same, but the information is coming in incorrectly.

the point is that there are many things that alter the mind ..how can they pick and choose what is ok? wine is allowed, so is alcohol ..I dont see how one thing can be a sin but not another

Wine may be allowed, but intoxication is not. Its all about limits.

 

[Raziaar]

the point is that there are many things that alter the mind ..how can they pick and choose what is ok? wine is allowed, so is alcohol ..I dont see how one thing can be a sin but not another

The bible speaks out about becoming enslaved to wine, or even to drunkenness.

Proverbs 20:1—“Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, And whoever is intoxicated by it is not wise”


There's lots of other passages too. Case in point, a light drink of wine doesnt really alter the mind, whereas a drug like marijuana just about immediately does, even if it is temporary.

 

[CptStern]

The bible speaks out about becoming enslaved to wine, or even to drunkenness.

Proverbs 20:1—“Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, And whoever is intoxicated by it is not wise”


There's lots of other passages too. Case in point, a light drink of wine doesnt really alter the mind, whereas a drug like marijuana just about immediately does, even if it is temporary.

I know of a few people who get drunk off a glass ..besides it must alter the mind if you can get arrested for drinking and driving with less than .1 percent blood alcohol content

 

[Raziaar]

I know of a few people who get drunk off a glass ..besides it must alter the mind if you can get arrested for drinking and driving with less than .1 percent blood alcohol content

Okay... i'm gonna back down, you have a whole deck of stupid cards and I can't be arsed to continue.

 

[Milkman]

Okay... i'm gonna back down, you have a whole deck of stupid cards and I can't be arsed to continue.

I will take up the cause.

I know of a few people who get drunk off a glass ..besides it must alter the mind if you can get arrested for drinking and driving with less than .1 percent blood alcohol content

Thats their problem, and legal limit here is .08
.1 might sound like very little but proportionatly its alot. Cosider noone has ever lived with 1% BAC and most lose consciousness around .4 and shortly die afterwards as their kidneys shut down.

 

[MrWhite]

Doesn't matter even about alcohol, even the caffiene in coffee or soda, or the sugar in sweets alters your mind set, not to mention the numbers of nameless drugs percribed to people. Cpt. Stern said it, alot of things change your mind state.

And that link I provided, I said I found it interesting, not that I or anyone else should take it to heart.

Cosider noone has ever lived with 1% BAC and most lose consciousness around .4 and shortly die afterwards as their kidneys shut down.

Yet alcohol remains legal where you cannot die from smoking herb.

 

[Milkman]

Doesn't matter even about alcohol, even the caffiene in coffee or soda, or the sugar in sweets alters your mind set, not to mention the numbers of nameless drugs percribed to people. Cpt. Stern said it, alot of things change your mind state.

And that link I provided, I said I found it interesting, not that I or anyone else should take it to heart.



Yet alcohol remains legal where you cannot die from smoking herb.

I am pretty sure if you smoked 24/7 you would die. Smoke isn't good for the lungs, it doesn't really matter what the smoke consists of. Drinking to a point of death is just as possible as smoking to death.

All of this aside, the idea of "well if one thing isn't banned (alcohol) then nothing should be banned (narcotics)" or vice versa fails because you can't outlaw liquor. It doesn't work. The drinking of alcohol is so embedded in our western culture that its not possible or popular to ban such a substance. Remember prohibition? Yeah, that little thing. We already struggle trying to keep elicit drugs out of our country without going to extremes (IG: Execution for possession) last thing we need is another banned substance that can harm.

 

[Raziaar]

Yet alcohol remains legal where you cannot die from smoking herb.

The smoke from burning many plants are just as lethal as touching or eating the plants themselves.

Buddha just happens to be one thats not as dangerous as the other plants. "herbs" in nature kill all the time.

 

[Ikerous]

I think by herb he meant weed..

I am pretty sure if you smoked 24/7 you would die.

I'm pretty sure you'd die if you sung 24/7 too

 

[MrWhite]

The smoke from burning many plants are just as lethal as touching or eating the plants themselves.

Buddha just happens to be one thats not as dangerous as the other plants. "herbs" in nature kill all the time.

By herb I DID mean weed, and you CANNOT DIE FROM TOUCHING WEED. But I understand you thought I mean't something else. And eating it has no adverse effects.

I am pretty sure if you smoked 24/7 you would die. Smoke isn't good for the lungs, it doesn't really matter what the smoke consists of. Drinking to a point of death is just as possible as smoking to death.

All of this aside, the idea of "well if one thing isn't banned (alcohol) then nothing should be banned (narcotics)" or vice versa fails because you can't outlaw liquor. It doesn't work. The drinking of alcohol is so embedded in our western culture that its not possible or popular to ban such a substance. Remember prohibition? Yeah, that little thing. We already struggle trying to keep elicit drugs out of our country without going to extremes (IG: Execution for possession) last thing we need is another banned substance that can harm.

Yes, you would die, but you're wrong in the fact that no one can smoke 24/7 anyway, and it doesn't cause cancer, like cigarette smoke.

Now, you say that you cant ban alcohol, it just doesnt work, well you're right, but neither does banning marijuana, many other countries have had to legalize, canada to probably be the next. I know it doesnt seem like it, but millions and millions of americans smoke pot, and don't care what the law says, but besides that are perfect law abiding citizens. It's already pretty much proven that keeping it illegal just wont work in the long run for many reasons.

And the last thing we need is another banned substance that is going to do harm? Have you even looked at the world? There has always been and always will be marijuana smokers, no matter what the law lays down. Marijuana isn't an illicit drug (though the law might tell you otherwise), its a soft drug kind of like alcohol. Heroin, that's an illicit drug. I will and will forever smoke pot and I don't care who says what and where, its not going to stop me, but I have never hurt anyone in my life, never done wrong, and probably never will willingly, and if I get caught I go to prison with criminals who do things like rape children and murder people. Does that seem to add up to you? I don't even care about legalization, I would be happy just seeing a decriminalization plan take effect.

EDIT: Oh and I never said that nothing should be banned. Coccaine is a terrible drug that takes people's lives away, so is heroin, opium, ether, mescaline, LSD (after so long), I only care about Marijuana being taken off the class I schedule drug list.

 

[Raziaar]

By herb I DID mean weed, and you CANNOT DIE FROM TOUCHING WEED. But I understand you thought I mean't something else. And eating it has no adverse effects.

I had a hunch you meant weed, but just in case, I decided to mention there's plenty of 'all natural' things out there that will completely ****ing kill you dead real fast. Heh.

 

[aeroripper]

Don't worry, thanks to the global US led war on terror; the war on drugs is coming to a weak soverign nation near you! YEEHAW

Anyways, to me its an issue of your own civil liberties when the government is telling you what you can take into your own body for relaxation. As long as its not violating somebody elses rights or safety then why is there even an issue? Really the pro-legalizers should promote a well thought out and reasonable plan to give to a congressmen to sponser.

1) First go through the more credible research done on cannabis by worldwide institutions both good and bad. Make references to the slew of dangerous prescription drugs on the market with many life-threatning side effects.

2) Talk about the background and history of the banning of marijuana.

3) Use the governments own numbers to promote a case for legalization as the current heavy-handed laws (on marijuana) seem to have no real effect on the population and has a negative effect of clogging prison systems.

4) Present a model on how to legalize marijuana and distribute it through regulation channels similar to alcohol. Ie... levels in the blood when driving, operating machinery... etc. Since the government would want money out of it (this is capitalism after all), put a tax on it similar to alcohol.

Don't worry i'm sure once a big recession or depression rolls around hopefully some of the laws will be relaxed or legalized. Kind of like the end of prohibition in the 1930s in an effort to help the economy... why couldn't the same be done with pot?

Honestly the war on drugs was just create to divert people's attention from the morally questionable war in vietnam and a crackdown on the freedom movement of the 60s. Thanks nixon!

Also the war on drugs is failing horribly so quit wasting my ****ing money on it! Some of the purest drugs in the world can be found in US streets in almost every city thanks to this war. That issue is a whole 'nother thread though.

 

[MrWhite]

I had a hunch you meant weed, but just in case, I decided to mention there's plenty of 'all natural' things out there that will completely ****ing kill you dead real fast. Heh.

True, and scary! I'm glad Marijuana isn't physically addicting otherwise I would be forced to go through withdrawl and smoke a bunch of random plants I find in various places. Whew.

Don't worry, thanks to the global US led war on terror; the war on drugs is coming to a weak soverign nation near you! YEEHAW

Anyways, to me its an issue of your own civil liberties when the government is telling you what you can take into your own body for relaxation. As long as its not violating somebody elses rights or safety then why is there even an issue? Really the pro-legalizers should promote a well thought out and reasonable plan to give to a congressmen to sponser.

1) First go through the more credible research done on cannabis by worldwide institutions both good and bad. Make references to the slew of dangerous prescription drugs on the market with many life-threatning side effects.

2) Talk about the background and history of the banning of marijuana.

3) Use the governments own numbers to promote a case for legalization as the current heavy-handed laws (on marijuana) seem to have no real effect on the population and has a negative effect of clogging prison systems.

4) Present a model on how to legalize marijuana and distribute it through regulation channels similar to alcohol. Ie... levels in the blood when driving, operating machinery... etc. Since the government would want money out of it (this is capitalism after all), put a tax on it similar to alcohol.

Don't worry i'm sure once a big recession or depression rolls around hopefully some of the laws will be relaxed or legalized. Kind of like the end of prohibition in the 1930s in an effort to help the economy... why couldn't the same be done with pot?

Honestly the war on drugs was just create to divert people's attention from the morally questionable war in vietnam and a crackdown on the freedom movement of the 60s. Thanks nixon!

Also the war on drugs is failing horribly so quit wasting my ****ing money on it! Some of the purest drugs in the world can be found in US streets in almost every city thanks to this war. That issue is a whole 'nother thread though.

Thing is, NORML has already laid out a pretty similar proposal to that, one for legalization and decriminalization seperately.

 

[Kmack]

its not fair that in the land of the free you can grow and smoke tobacco, or brew and drink your own alcohol, but not grow and smoke your own marijuana. it needs to be decriminilized. it has both positive and negative effects, just like every single other substance going. butter? beer? cigarettes? they all probably cause as many probelms (health and social) as marijuana. oh well...theres always amsterdam....and canada....and vermont....and california... and alaska... hmmm

 

[Reaktor4]

EDIT: Oh and I never said that nothing should be banned. Coccaine is a terrible drug that takes people's lives away, so is heroin, opium, ether, mescaline, LSD (after so long), I only care about Marijuana being taken off the class I schedule drug list.

i suggest you educate yourself.

 

[Absinthe]

Okay, I'm sorry. But cocaine is a destructive drug. Saying that it's fine is pretty naive.

 

[bvasgm]

Marajuana = bad. The end.

 

[Absinthe]

Marajuana = bad. The end.

What a completely convincing argument.

 

[Reaktor4]

mmmm whitey, cocaine is not bad for you. Only time it's bad for you is when you O.D., just like any other drug. If you dont do coke all the time your fine, only difference between a cokehead and a non cokehead is the size of the inside of their nose (forgot the technical term for it) Opium isn't really that bad for you either, gives u a great high too... if you get the real shit.

Coke is bad for you, even if you dont od, if you use it regularly. There are possible long term mental and physical side effects not least damaging the inside of your nose by snorting it (but this can happen if you snort anything).
Opioids wont do any long term harm unless you snort or smoke them.
Im referring to clean drugs btw.

 

[MrWhite]

Coke is bad for you, even if you dont od, if you use it regularly. There are possible long term mental and physical side effects not least damaging the inside of your nose by snorting it (but this can happen if you snort anything).
Opioids wont do any long term harm unless you snort or smoke them.
Im referring to clean drugs btw.

And opiates are usually smoked.

What did you mean, "I should educate myself"? It would help if you elaborated a little more than that tantalizing cliffhanger.

No really, I think I have a set of morals that aren't degenerative, and I don't think that Marijuana should be illegal or at least so harshly punished when so many people openly smoke it (and refuse to stop regardless of the overzealous lawmakers), and it's proven less harmful than other legal drugs like cigarettes and alcohol.

 

[Reaktor4]

And opiates are usually smoked.

theyre usually ingested or injected.

What did you mean, "I should educate myself"? It would help if you elaborated a little more than that tantalizing cliffhanger.

No really, I think I have a set of morals that aren't degenerative, and I don't think that Marijuana should be illegal or at least so harshly punished when so many people openly smoke it (and refuse to stop regardless of the overzealous lawmakers), and it's proven less harmful than other legal drugs like cigarettes and alcohol.

I can tell from the previous post that you are not well informed on this issue. Go and do some (ok lots of) reading, and eventually your views will change, unless of course youre yet another irreversibly brainwashed case.

 

[Absinthe]

Reaktor, have you ever been told that you have aggression issues?

 

[Reaktor4]

Reaktor, have you ever been told that you have aggression issues?

leave it out, this was the worst day of my life. im not exaggerating. i wont say any more on that particular matter, except that i am truely a grade b **** and i will never forgive myself.
i didnt mean to sound aggressive and i dont think that was even one of my more aggressive posts.

 

[BF2slut]

Marajuana = bad. The end.

LOOK AT ALL THOSE SUPPORTING STATEMENTS!!!! :thumbs:

 

[MrWhite]

theyre usually ingested or injected.

I can tell from the previous post that you are not well informed on this issue. Go and do some (ok lots of) reading, and eventually your views will change, unless of course youre yet another irreversibly brainwashed case.

No, they're usually smoked. Trend started in China in the opium smoking dens. I've seen opium all around here and it's almost always smoked.

I'm not well informed on the issue? Which issue? The Marijuana Issue? I would have to fully disagree with you, sir. Have you read the first 5 or so pages of this thread? Truth is you really aren't saying anything except claiming im "uninformed".

And for God's sake, settle down

 

[Absinthe]

Yes, having too much of something is bad for you. I wouldn't say regular use is. People can smoke cannabis on a regular basis and be fine. The only danger there is psychological dependence. Cocaine is more physically destructive and each snort you take is having negative physical consequences.

I'm not saying you're in danger of OD'ing or that you're necessarily going to be a ****ed-in-the-head coot because of sparse usage. But it is a truly dangerous substance.

 

[Absinthe]

Any way, good read here.

http://www.marijuana.com/420/showthread.php?t=41993

 

[Ennui]

Excellent read.

 

[Crispy]

Fairly interesting read. I was shocked at the liberal attitudes shown in Seattle, Oakland and Telluride. They sound as reasonable, if not more reasonable, in their approach to society as Canada. (this is the impression I get as a Brit who's been to the east coast and the deep south quite a bit and once to Toronto - I may be wrong).

However, it shouldn't be forgotten that one of the most serious issues with MJ is the fact that it affects everyone very differently. It's also been theorised that in individuals with dormant "schitzoid" genes it can trigger schitzophrenia. There's no solid evidence for this but I'm not too skeptical on that point considering the effects I've seen it have on many different people; first-timers and hardcore stoners alike.

If MJ were to be legalised it would need a greater understanding than there is now. There needs to be clinical research done of its effects on a wide-ranging set of subjects so that if the schitzoid trigger theory does have any truth in it governments worldwide are ready to warn people of the real (not perceived) dangers of marijuana.

 

[MrWhite]

Fairly interesting read. I was shocked at the liberal attitudes shown in Seattle, Oakland and Telluride. They sound as reasonable, if not more reasonable, in their approach to society as Canada. (this is the impression I get as a Brit who's been to the east coast and the deep south quite a bit and once to Toronto - I may be wrong).

However, it shouldn't be forgotten that one of the most serious issues with MJ is the fact that it affects everyone very differently. It's also been theorised that in individuals with dormant "schitzoid" genes it can trigger schitzophrenia. There's no solid evidence for this but I'm not too skeptical on that point considering the effects I've seen it have on many different people; first-timers and hardcore stoners alike.

If MJ were to be legalised it would need a greater understanding than there is now. There needs to be clinical research done of its effects on a wide-ranging set of subjects so that if the schitzoid trigger theory does have any truth in it governments worldwide are ready to warn people of the real (not perceived) dangers of marijuana.

FACT. I had a friend who smoked it and every time he did, I swear to god he lost his mind. He, no shit, went crazy. After some good ol' sleep he was back to normal, but it happened everytime.

But, isn't this true with all things? I know someone who will die if they eat peanut butter. Some people can't drink alcohol (myself included), some people can't take certain pills, some people can't even eat cashews...

However, you can't have clinical research in the united states (who have the most powerful research capabilities) until its legalized because any research done now is horribly twisted and used in crappy tv ads.

That was a good read, its good to see some progress being made for something that just makes sense.

 

[Puzzlemaker]

Its like alchohol. Its bad for you. But people do it anyway.

 

[Absinthe]

Its like alchohol. Its bad for you. But people do it anyway.

I'm not going to bother.