My beef with the world.

[Vigilante]

Maybe I'm being nationalistic (which I'm sure I am), but in light of Katrina, f*ck the world.

New Orleans is said to be uninhabitable for 4 months now, thousands have been killed in Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi, thousands more are homeless and have nowhere to go.

Why do I have a beef with the world about this? Namely the tsunami. The USA and the rest of the world busted their asses helping them out, and they didn't even want us there (the USA at least). Now when we're in need, we haven't gotten SHIT for help from the rest of world. They sure are jumping through hoops to help.

If this causes me to be hated on the forums, so be it.

Discuss.

 

[gh0st]

yeah **** you guys, have a competition on how much you can donate to us.

 

[Hectic Glenn]

America doesn't need help, it doesn't want help, it wants to prove it can get back on its feet without aid. And it can, as your president said he's trying to sort it out. (even though he does seem reluctant to). There are more worthy causes to help than a flood in which what...100 people died in? Which were the people who mainly decided not to join the mass evacuation. Very silly. The people of New Orleans and that other place will pull through, but theres bigger problems out there in case you forgot, remember live 8?

 

[MrWhite]

I hope you realize that it was the rest of the world that TRIED to help you back in the Kyoto Now project...

for those who are unaware of what that is, I'll explain.

You see, both the tsunami and katrina are the spawn of global warming. The only country to not sign the Kyoto Now project reform for global warming? America.

Now, America was going to sign it, Clinton even signed it himself, but the Bush administration seems to think that global warming doesn't exist, and had a bill passed to void Clinton's signature so that America is no longer part of it.

Now, don't get me wrong, I feel for all of these people and tragedies are a shame when they happen to everyone, but by being the ONLY country to not seem to give a shit about global warming, it was kind of dooming itself.

Also, you have to take into account the fact that the only superpower in the world is in fact America, and many other countries (that doesn't excuse Canada, Britian, and other well off nations, which I'm pretty sure have donated funds already) don't really have the assets to run thier own country let alone help another.

And finally, it just happened, the final effects yesterday morning, give them more than a day for Christ's sake.

Oh and Glenn, it wasn't that people didn't want to join the evacuation, but most of the people found dead were the poor people in those areas. One's who didn't have a car, couldn't afford the ridiculous gas prices (which ehre are about to shoot over 3.50, and 4.00 within the next week as petrolium is in a standstill)

 

[KoreBolteR]

id donate money. dont stereotype us all to be anti-americans man.

 

[Vigilante]

I understand that, but we always help other countries. It just pisses me off that other countries dont even show an interest to help.

 

[Link]

The USA have always appeared to be a very independant country. The countrys that were effected by the tunami are a lot less financially well off than the US. At the end of the day, you don't need anyones help.

Please don't think I am unsympathetic, I am not, its just the way the world works. You don't need us to give you money, so we don't. You might give some change to a guy dressed in rags, walking down the road, but you wouldn't to the guy in a suit driving a ferrari. This is pretty much the same thing, only much bigger.

 

[MrWhite]

What if his ferrari wrecked? And he got mud on his new armoni suit?

 

[Vigilante]

You see, both the tsunami and katrina are the spawn of global warming. The only country to not sign the Kyoto Now project reform for global warming? America.

How can an underground earthquake be caused by global warming?

And link, it's not the fact that the world isn't giving us money, I know we don't need it..it's just the fact that nobody seems to give a shit.

 

[KoreBolteR]

id be sickened if no south east asian countries donate some cash to america tho...

 

[StardogChampion]

I understand that, but we always help other countries. It just pisses me off that other countries dont even show an interest to help.

You can afford to fix yourself. Other countries can't.

 

[Vigilante]

id be sickened if no south east asian countries donate some cash to america tho...

Read second line of above post.

"it's not the fact that the world isn't giving us money, I know we don't need it..it's just the fact that nobody seems to give a shit."

 

[MrWhite]

How can an underground earthquake be caused by global warming?

And link, it's not the fact that the world isn't giving us money, I know we don't need it..it's just the fact that nobody seems to give a shit.

Bullshit noone cares, you think everyone is that heartless?

And what makes you think an underground earthquake caused a hurricane?

Global warming is why most storms (hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.) have been more extreme in the past 10-12 years. Sure, it would have happened anyway, just on a much lighter scale.

 

[gh0st]

MrWhite, there is no sound research showing that global warming has to do with hurricane katrina. Oh, and LOL @ global warming causing underground earthquake.

“In the models, an increase in sea surface temperature could make more intense systems,” said Philip Klotzbach, who was not involved in the present work. “But the models do not account for changes in wind patterns that might tend to tear apart hurricanes.”

Klotzbach said that the effect of global warming on hurricanes may end up being small. He said it is hard to notice any difference because the “signal gets swamped by year-to-year variability.”

No one ****ing knows. Not that scientist, and certainly not you. And Kyoto would not have stopped hurricane Katrina. And no one wants your pittance.

 

[DrDevin]

Canada has send a couple hundred guys or so down to the states to help with mass feeding, shelter and cheanup. We wont abandon you

 

[MrWhite]

MrWhite, there is no sound research showing that global warming has to do with hurricane katrina. Oh, and LOL @ global warming causing underground earthquake.

No one ****ing knows. Not that scientist, and certainly not you. And Kyoto would not have stopped hurricane Katrina. And no one wants your pittance.

Ouch that was... that was rough. I'm going to cry myself to sleep now.

I have been pwned.

But uhh, if you say no one knows, then how do you know it wasn't?

EDIT: Still got me, though

 

[Vigilante]

Bullshit noone cares, you think everyone is that heartless?

And what makes you think an underground earthquake caused a hurricane?

Global warming is why most storms (hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.) have been more extreme in the past 10-12 years. Sure, it would have happened anyway, just on a much lighter scale.

Underground earthquakes cause tsunamis, not hurricanes.

 

[gh0st]

Ouch that was... that was rough. I'm going to cry myself to sleep now.

I have been pwned.

You're crying yourself to sleep because of the stupid shit you said that people called you out on? You have been pwned by yourself, Doctor.

Canada has send a couple hundred guys or so down to the states to help with mass feeding, shelter and cheanup. We wont abandon you

Canada FTW

 

[Vigilante]

Canada has send a couple hundred guys or so down to the states to help with mass feeding, shelter and cheanup. We wont abandon you

And I thank you.

 

[TheAmazingRando]

Hurricanes and Tornadoes are not more extreme, we get big ones every 50 years or so. When we start getting catagorey fives every month of the hurricane season then I will say we either have global warming or just a normal climate shift.

 

[MrWhite]

You're crying yourself to sleep because of the stupid shit you said that people called you out on? You have been pwned by yourself, Doctor.

Canada FTW

I was being sarcastic, I'm not going to cry myself to sleep because some guy named "gh0st" on some forums called me out on bad information.

Oh no!

Underground earthquakes cause tsunamis, not hurricanes.

We're talking about Katrina here, a hurricane, not the tsunami. My bad, I mentioned it, I was wrong.

 

[Vigilante]

I was being sarcastic, I'm not going to cry myself to sleep because some guy named "gh0st" on some forums called me out on bad information.

Oh no!

...he was being sarcastic too. Pwned!

 

[MrWhite]

...he was being sarcastic too. Pwned!

Ah, but as was I, again!

EDIT: This is getting off topic and turning into a flame war I don't really care to much to partake in, I'm out on this topic, said some useless shit. Later. But to be on topic for a second, fact is most countries dont have the ability to help like America did with the tsunami efforts.

EDIT 2: http://www.worldvision.com.au/onebigvillage/content.asp?topicID=37

(thanks to Kore for the link)

"Global warming is also believed to be changing weather patterns around the world. As the Earth’s average surface temperature rises, due to the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere created by human activity, the Earth’s climate is changing. The icecaps are melting, rainfall patterns are changing, and storms are becoming more frequent."

 

[Vigilante]

Ah, but as was I, again!

EDIT: This is getting off topic and turning into a flame war I don't really care to much to partake in, I'm out on this topic, said some useless shit. Later. But to be on topic for a second, fact is most countries dont have the ability to help like America did with the tsunami efforts.

EDIT 2: http://www.worldvision.com.au/onebigvillage/content.asp?topicID=37

(thanks to Kore for the link)

"Global warming is also believed to be changing weather patterns around the world. As the Earth’s average surface temperature rises, due to the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere created by human activity, the Earth’s climate is changing. The icecaps are melting, rainfall patterns are changing, and storms are becoming more frequent."

We've always had hurricanes. Who knows. Maybe the best thing is to have another ice age.

 

[MrWhite]

We've always had hurricanes. Who knows. Maybe the best thing is to have another ice age.

Yes, I said I was out, but I'm replying, so sue me.

Anyway, yes, hurricanes have always been around, but not to the sheer amount and extremity of the ones recently. And if the world continues the work the same way it is, that's pretty much what will happen. The earth will wipe out existance (besides... probably cockroaches because they seem to withstand anything), and start over as it has done in the past.

 

[Hectic Glenn]

Global warming = increased sea temperature. Increased power of Hurricanes. True but this period of time will be the introduction of more severe storms, but to add to that with the sea temperature increase means your going to see really extreme hurricanes and tornadoes. Global warming does effect this still, it makes it worse, which is where America shot itself in the foot. But if you citizens believe its not an issue then so be it, it doesnt effect us....yet.

And other countries are aware of the matter, but no immediate action is necessary. Last i saw the army was controlling looting, and airlifting the stranded. Its kind of sad your said you don't need aid, just recognition its happened. Yes we know, the people lost is a terrible thing, what more else do you ask?

 

[Link]

...link, it's not the fact that the world isn't giving us money, I know we don't need it..it's just the fact that nobody seems to give a shit.

Ah, well, its not that no one cares, its just that compared to some other natural disasters, i.e. the tunami, its not that big of a disaster. I'm not saying that it wasn't bad, but people get desensitised to this kind of thing, and 100 dead dosen't strike that much of a chord anymore. Yes, its terrible, but there have been worse.

Look at it this way, if 100 people got wiped out in a flood in africa, how much sleep would you lose over it?

 

[Vigilante]

Ah, well, its not that no one cares, its just that compared to some other natural disasters, i.e. the tunami, its not that big of a disaster. I'm not saying that it wasn't bad, but people get desensitised to this kind of thing, and 100 dead dosen't strike that much of a chord anymore. Yes, its terrible, but there have been worse.

Look at it this way, if 100 people got wiped out in a flood in africa, how much sleep would you lose over it?

Not much, who cares about Africa anyway?

 

[gh0st]

Look at it this way, if 100 people got wiped out in a flood in africa, how much sleep would you lose over it?

About an equivilent amount of sleep as they lose when 100 Americans die. Unfortunately, there are potentially thousands dead in Louisiana. Would I care if 1000 Africans died? Yeah, I probably would. And we'd probably give them some cash and aid too.

 

[Link]

Not much, who cares about Africa anyway?

A lot of Africans, for a start. I think you get my point though.

 

[MrWhite]

Not much, who cares about Africa anyway?

...

(Don't mean to spam, that's all I have to say)

 

[Hectic Glenn]

Not much, who cares about Africa anyway?

erm...im speechless...

 

[Link]

gh0st - From what I read here the death toll is around 110, with the potential for a total of up to tripple of that. So call it 330. Closer to the 100 than the thousands.

At the end of the day, its a fruitless argument anyway. The numbers aside, you guys are unhappy with the reaction of the outside world. As I said, many people do think about it, feel for the victims, but not much more. After all, what more would you have us do?

 

[TheAmazingRando]

Originally Posted by Vigilante
Not much, who cares about Africa anyway?

Africa dosen't have enough resources to support its population, mainly due to their climate and warlords hoarding resources. The more we give them the more their population increases and then their resources grow even more scarce.

 

[DreadLord]

Look at it this way, if 100 people got wiped out in a flood in africa, how much sleep would you lose over it?

First of all it's well over 100, death tolls are expected to be in the thousands, a prominent city is in ruin, possibly never to be brought back to normal. 100 people dying in africa is hardly on the same level, 100 people dying in the UK in a flood? sure we'd feel sorry, and it'd be all over our news for weeks, just like your very small but still important london bombings were. People dying in Africa just wouldn't hit me on the same level as people dying in say the UK. I don't think lower of people in Africa, but people in the UK are a hell of a lot more like me (I'm 100% british heritage anyways).

Anyways, it gives the impression that we're alone, as usual. The country itself feels like we don't really have a leader, and no allies.

 

[Steve]

America doesn't need help, it doesn't want help, it wants to prove it can get back on its feet without aid. And it can, as your president said he's trying to sort it out. (even though he does seem reluctant to). There are more worthy causes to help than a flood in which what...100 people died in? Which were the people who mainly decided not to join the mass evacuation. Very silly. The people of New Orleans and that other place will pull through, but theres bigger problems out there in case you forgot, remember live 8?

It's silly to focus on how many people died. Here's the kicker: Hundreds of thousands of people are HOMELESS.

 

[gh0st]

Link.. thats in Mississipi alone, New Orleans, in case you didnt notice, is completely ****ed. By thetime its all sorted, I guarantee you it will be closer to 1000 than 100.

 

[Hectic Glenn]

It's silly to focus on how many people died. Here's the kicker: Hundreds of thousands of people are HOMELESS.

Fair enough, but the USA will fix that, they do not need aid, or people to look a the situation and think 'oh dear what a tradegy'. Those people are homeless indeed, but alive thank god. The dead toll is small compared to what it could have been. So homeless indeed, but it can be rectified.

 

[MrWhite]

Yes, many have drown, as the water level raised, they went into thier second floors (if they had one), and when it raised again, they went into thier attics, and when it raised again... well alot were trapped and drown in their attics.

They aren't even close to finding the amount of deceased yet.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Not much, who cares about Africa anyway?

LOL! that has to be the biggest hypocracy of the day.... :E

your basically saying 'why dont other countries care about my country, when i dont care about thiers'