New bombings- London

[CptStern]

when a serial killer is profiled they look to motive ...despite the fact that the person is most probably insane

 

[gh0st]

when a serial killer is profiled they look to motive ...despite the fact that the person is most probably insane

i think they have a motive. disgruntled muslim extremists who hate the west. what more motive do you need?

 

[kirovman]

If we want to stop suicide bombers, ultimately we are going to have to understand their mentality.

I'm assuming these aren't people who've just had a labotomy.

 

[CptStern]

we have to understand what makes a person strap themselves full of explosives and walk onto a crowed bus ...they're making a statement about something ..it's not just a whim

there's gotta be some sort of legitimacy (in THEIR minds ..dont even try to accuse me of agreeing with their methods) for them to end their lives

 

[gh0st]

why bother understanding stern? its not like any amount of understanding we could possibly give them would prevent more, or different, groups from attacking us. could pull out of the middle east forever, forsake israel and our other allies and they'd still attack us /end speculation.

 

[kaf11]

just got back from work, heard this news earlier in the day. very glad to hear that everyone is ok. hopefully this failed attack is a sign that the cell who is responsible is in disarray and wasnt able to complete the attack as planned. and as chris_d said, i would be happy to learn that this was a sabotage job or the work of morons. good luck catching them U.K., our thoughts are with you.

 

[kirovman]

If there's no dialogue with them at all, how can we know what will be the best solution?

At this rate we're just going to be continuously exchanging blood while propaganda comes from both sides.

"The enemy hates our freedom!"
"The infidels desicrate our holy land!"
etc etc etc

Let's face it, we're not going to be able to exterminate the lot of them. And now we're getting home grown terrorists - would we have had them if we used different methods? I don't know. It's scary what this has developed into.
But as usual each side is convinced that they are the righteous ones - at the expense of your average civilian. No expense to the politician or to the cell leader.

I hope they catch these guys as soon as possible and I hope there's not more homegrown terrorist cells.

 

[CptStern]

for every cell you effectively decapitate another will take it's place ...a war on terrorism (at least a conventional one) will never succeed ...you got to go to the root of the causes

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

for every cell you effectively decapitate another will take it's place ...a war on terrorism (at least a conventional one) will never succeed ...you got to go to the root of the causes

I agree...


People have to understand that terrorism is a mentality and not as so many seem to think a mad man with a bomb.

You can kill the man but there are more people being born all the time, some of which will unfortunatly take his place.

 

[jabberwock95]

I agree totally that a 'war on terror' is completely impossible.

I played a heavily ironic computer game once where I fought terrorists. The irony was that Terrorists and Civilians looked exactly alike, but when you kill a civilian by mistake 3 more civilians become terrorists! Also the 'lazer guided smart bombs' were guaranteed to hit the screen, and you had the option of dropping a 'Food Packet/Cluster Bomb' (they looked the same) which would either decrease or increase terrorism.

Completely Unplayable, but very ironic.

 

[Pesmerga]

for every cell you effectively decapitate another will take it's place ...a war on terrorism (at least a conventional one) will never succeed ...you got to go to the root of the causes

You must mow the lawn before you tear out the roots.

What I'm saying is, the war has already drastically crippled terrorists cells, but you're right, a further investigation of the source is required.

In my opinion, to get rid of terrorism against capitalism or whatnot, all one must do is wait it out. Play defensively, and while it's not going to prevent attacks altogether, over time they will question their motives and begin to think for themselves. But it will never happen, because people are too impatient. Some people think that if you try and endure winter, spring will never come. Instead they must go shovel their driveways and sidewalks and get rid of the snow itself.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Bomb exploded at the top of my cousin's road - he seems ok though..

 

[jabberwock95]

What makes you think this 'war' has 'drastically crippled' terrorist cells?

ComradeBadger, thats awful. Where does he live? Glad he's OK...

 

[Pesmerga]

I have no doubt that we're taking big steps in seiging the bigger sects, even if it's not being publicized.

 

[Tr0n]

You can't beat terrorism...it's just an unorthodox tactic folks.

 

[jabberwock95]

Seems like a bit of a lost cause sometimes.

I mean, how do you stop terrorists when they could be anyone? And attack using anything?

I agree with Cpt_Stern that we must attack terrorism by determining its motives. Maybe they are just angry at us for 'invading iraq' but it would normally take something a lot more personal to make someone die for their cause.

 

[Pesmerga]

Just because it's new doesn't mean it's automatically unbeatable. That would be like giving up at the first sign of a Blitzkreig.

 

[kirovman]

Depends what you mean by beat it. They use unconvential tactics, they will not be beaten ultimately by conventional warfare.

 

[Razor]

for every cell you effectively decapitate another will take it's place ...a war on terrorism (at least a conventional one) will never succeed ...you got to go to the root of the causes

If only the leaders of the world were as smart as you, me and a few of the others of this forum. I can only hope with all these slow movements towards a Palestinian state and Israel pulling out of a few of their settlements in August is a step in the right direction. But the people who blew themselves up in London 2 weeks ago and tried to blow themselves up today weren't fighting for peace in the middle east or fighting for Islam, they are English muslims that have been brain washed by some very nasty people. Even their families can't understand why they did it, nor can most of the other Muslims who have to pay the price for these idiots blowing themselves up.


But no matter what these scum are supposedly fighting for or why they chose to die for whatever reason, it could never justify stepping onto a school bus, a packed train or walking into a busy market and blowing innocent people up. They are nothing but murderers who are brain washed by evil, evil people. Attacking armed soldiers in your country is one thing, but the majority of these people have no interest in fighting the military, and you can see that with such cowardly acts like today.

But i do definately agree that you can't win a war like this with a military, you need to talk with the Muslim leaders and other religious leaders and ensure that Muslim's everywhere see that the great Muslim leaders can talk and walk together with western leaders in peace.

 

[Pesmerga]

If only the leaders of the world were as smart as you

Oh yeah, note that he doesn't explain how to get to the root of the cause. It's not as easy as 'take out the guys spreading this shit'.

Sooner or later, a good Muslim will come around and be the MLK Jr. for Islam.

 

[Sui]

Just to say, I watched a programme on islamic extremests and it made me sick.

There are videos that have been made that are passed around extremists in the USA and UK, showing pictures from Hollywood disaster films, where America is blown to bits. Shots such as the white house bieng blown up in independance day, the floods from Deep impact etc. Are used in a terrible way, mingled with images of terrorists and 9/11.

They interviewed two muslims from the UK (leeds, I think), and asked them what they thought on the matter. All three of them strongly believed (and admitted infront of the BBC interviewer) that the UK and USA should be punished. The interview went something like this:

BBC: Do any of you want to become suicide bombers?
Extremists: We all want to become Matrys, yes.
BBC: Why do you want to attack the country in which you were born?
Extremist: Because our people are bieng killed all over the world by the western goverments.
BBC: But who do you want to kill? Extremist attacks have murdered all types of races and cultures. Would you want to kill me, for example?
Extremist: Only if you support the English / American goverments.
BBC: Thank you for your time, etc.

These three people, only about 19 / 20 in age, had been born and raised in the UK. They are completely normal Brits, have never even been to pakistan or other Muslim countries, and are all living completely normal lives right now. They had their faces covered when speaking, so they could be anyone. You could know one of them. But yet they want to grow up and bomb their home countries, simply because there's a war going on thousands of miles away. It amazes me to think that they actually want to take innocents lives when they haven't even witnessed the wars first hand.

Not only that, but they showed footage of an extremist gathering in Manchester (or somewhere like that). The person holding the meeting was interviewed after he had given a steryotypical extremist speech (we must fight for our right to be in heaven, etc), and said that one of the reasons for the Madrid bombings was because of a holy war that was fought over Muslim soil over 500 years ago. 500 ****ing years later they still want to kill innocents to prove a point.

It's not the Extremists beliefs that sicken me, it's their undying urge to KILL everyone in order to get some shitty revenge for their country. It's a pathetic backlash, almost immature. And above all, the Qu'ran (not sure how you spell it :/ ) is bieng twisted and wrongly quoted in order to get young'uns to kill themselves- over a few weak promises of eternal paradise. It's not even part of their religeon, it's just something that extremists have made up.

Well, that's my rant over. :E

*edit* I just want to make it clear that all the Muslims mentioned in this post were EXTREMISTS and not normal muslims, and have NOTHING to do with normal muslims. It's just I read my post again and it sounded like I was referring to Islamic faiths in general :x

 

[Korgoth]

Just because it's new doesn't mean it's automatically unbeatable. That would be like giving up at the first sign of a Blitzkreig.

Ugh... I hate to rain on your parade here, but terrorism is hardly a "new" concept... Hell, early American settelers used bio terror in the form of small pox ridden blankets to kill native americans and run them off.

Terrorism goes further back than the bible, and this whole time, the general Idea has been to fight back with brute force... and it sure hasn't worked yet. Sometime else HAS to be done to defeat terrorism.

Terrorism is not a physical enemy, terrorism is a mental foe, and idea that can only be beaten with better ideas.

 

[Razor]

Just to say, I watched a programme on islamic extremests and it made me sick.

There are videos that have been made that are passed around extremists in the USA and UK, showing pictures from Hollywood disaster films, where America is blown to bits. Shots such as the white house bieng blown up in independance day, the floods from Deep impact etc. Are used in a terrible way, mingled with images of terrorists and 9/11.

They interviewed two muslims from the UK (leeds, I think), and asked them what they thought on the matter. All three of them strongly believed (and admitted infront of the BBC interviewer) that the UK and USA should be punished. The interview went something like this:

BBC: Do any of you want to become suicide bombers?
Extremists: We all want to become Matrys, yes.
BBC: Why do you want to attack the country in which you were born?
Extremist: Because our people are bieng killed all over the world by the western goverments.
BBC: But who do you want to kill? Extremist attacks have murdered all types of races and cultures. Would you want to kill me, for example?
Extremist: Only if you support the English / American goverments.
BBC: Thank you for your time, etc.

These three people, only about 19 / 20 in age, had been born and raised in the UK. They are completely normal Brits, have never even been to pakistan or other Muslim countries, and are all living completely normal lives right now. They had their faces covered when speaking, so they could be anyone. You could know one of them. But yet they want to grow up and bomb their home countries, simply because there's a war going on thousands of miles away. It amazes me to think that they actually want to take innocents lives when they haven't even witnessed the wars first hand.

Not only that, but they showed footage of an extremist gathering in Manchester (or somewhere like that). The person holding the meeting was interviewed after he had given a steryotypical extremist speech (we must fight for our right to be in heaven, etc), and said that one of the reasons for the Madrid bombings was because of a holy war that was fought over Muslim soil over 500 years ago. 500 ****ing years later they still want to kill innocents to prove a point.

It's not the Extremists beliefs that sicken me, it's their undying urge to KILL everyone in order to get some shitty revenge for their country. It's a pathetic backlash, almost immature. And above all, the Qu'ran (not sure how you spell it :/ ) is bieng twisted and wrongly quoted in order to get young'uns to kill themselves- over a few weak promises of eternal paradise. It's not even part of their religeon, it's just something that extremists have made up.

Well, that's my rant over. :E

*edit* I just want to make it clear that all the Muslims mentioned in this post were EXTREMISTS and not normal muslims, and have NOTHING to do with normal muslims. It's just I read my post again and it sounded like I was referring to Islamic faiths in general :x

That would only be an extremely small minority compared to the true Muslims who can live peacefully with themselves, other Muslims and the rest. But fine, Cpt Stern might not be smarter then most western leaders, but a trained monkey could think that the best way to defeat terror is not to carpet bomb the countries they "might" come from.

 

[Pesmerga]

Ugh... I hate to rain on your parade here, but terrorism is hardly a "new" concept... Hell, early American settelers used bio terror in the form of small pox ridden blankets to kill native americans and run them off.

Terrorism goes further back than the bible

Sure, it's not exactly new, but your view of terrorism is a broad one. I'm talking about putting bombs in coffee shops and flying planes into tall buildings.

We can fight bacterial agents and overthrow a crazy dictator, and soon enough we'll find ways to minimize the ability of terrorists to work.

I honestly don't think America or GB can do anything about the root of the cause. It's instilled deeply in family and community. Eventually, I think, it'll fade away as bigger wars invariably erupt.

 

[kirovman]

NEW INCIDENT

Tube evacuted as shots heard
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm


Looks like someone was shot by a gun on the trains at Stockwell station.

Armed officiers are patrolling very heavily now.

Eyewitnesses say some guy was being chased by the police, and the police got him down on the floor and shot him 5 times with a semi automatic pistol.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

East London mosque surrounded by armed police and evacuated possible bomb threat on it.

 

[Sui]

Damn, I'm becoming accustom to bomb threats now. The amount of copycat attacks have been terrible- I just hope this incidint will ward off potential bobmers.