New ipod shuffle is laughable

Apple god dammit, what's that?!

Oh for crying out loud, this thing is just bloody ridiculous! Buttons on earphones.....oh my god!!!!
 
They should've had the entire thing on the headphones \o/
 
People don't want to buy the ipod touch?
 
*avatar love*

But now I can't justify my Christmas Colbert with another avatar hanging around...
 
I swear someone is going to either choke on this or simple lose this up their nostril somehow.

both circumstances will be by Oprah
 
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http://www.buy.com/prod/sandisk-sansa-e270-6gb-mp3-player-fm-tuner-fm-on-the-fly-recording/q/loc/111/202451680.html?adid=17653&dcaid=17653
this 6GB Sansa is now $39.99. you'd be an idiot to buy the shuffle now

features:
Sleek, thin design with large 1.8 TFT color screen for easy viewing
Strong alloy metal casing provides excellent durability and scratch resistance
Simple to use, backlit controls for fast device interface navigation
User replaceable and rechargeable Lithium Ion battery for up to 20 hours of battery life (Battery Life Based on Continuous, Standard Playback, 128 Kb MP3 file)
Features micro SD expansion slot for additional memory capacity
Supports SanDisk Trusted Flash and Gruvi content cards
Digital FM tuner, on-the-fly FM recording, and voice recording
No FM-tuner (and no FM-recording) is available in Europe
Supports Subscription Music Stores

Package Contents
Sansa e200 Series Player
Stereo headphones
Lithium Ion rechargeable battery
USB cable
Warranty 90 Days
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you dont understand the concept behind the shuffle do you?
 
Warped, I believe you just found my iPod Nano replacement.
$40 for a 6gb MP3 player? Yes please.
 
CptStern said:
you dont understand the concept behind the shuffle do you?
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Do you mean the fact that it's small and you can go, for example, jogging with it? You can do the same with that Sansa player. Or most mp3 players for that matter.
 
Unfocused said:
Do you mean the fact that it's small and you can go, for example, jogging with it? You can do the same with that Sansa player. Or most mp3 players for that matter.
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"small" is relative. compared to a buick they're all small. in relation to each other the sansa is a brick the shuffle is 1/3 that size. it's made for a specific target user: anyone who doesnt want to fumble with screens, buttons etc while doing x activity. the sansa is targeted to people who want a cheap mp3. those two markets are distinct and rarely cross.
 
not really, the buttons were too small and sometimes you'd hit the wrong button, especially when doing an activity and doing it by feel ...at least with my average sized hands
 
Meh, it's fine for me while exersizing. Then again I have young, more precise fingers :p
 
Sansa > Shuffle hands down. if your telling me the Sansa is large then you've got a major malfunction going on. also they make sansa's with belt clips for similar prices. oh did i mentional practically all sansas have an FM receiver, recorder, and micro sd slot now??
 
I have an old sansa and an old shuffle. Only reason I use shuffle more is cause the other thing uses AA batteries D:
 
which sort of hints at the size difference


warped said:
Sansa > Shuffle hands down. if your telling me the Sansa is large then you've got a major malfunction going on. also they make sansa's with belt clips for similar prices. oh did i mentional practically all sansas have an FM receiver, recorder, and micro sd slot now??
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why the hell would I care or anyone else care about a FM reciever or recorder if they're thinking about purchasing a shuffle? why not just get a sansa if that's what the want

the problem is that you dont understand marketing. shuffle and the sansa are not in the same catagory. the type of consumer the shuffle appeals to is NOT the same type of consumer the sansa appeals to. it's really an apples and oranges comparison

also I ccould clip the shuffle to the collar of my shirt and it wouldnt weigh it down. this is why people buy it ....if they wanted more features they'd buy a nano or zune or whatever
 
Or they'd buy the thing that costs half as much.
 
Do you think I'd be responding if he could see me?
 
you can use a sansa clip for the same purpose as you would use a shuffle AND as a regular mp3 player for half the cost, what more do you need to say? people pay more than they need to with these shuffles.

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That is a terrible idea. If the battery life is terrible, its the ultimate Mac fail. Besides not killing Bill Gates when they had the chance.
 
bam23 said:
you can use a sansa clip for the same purpose as you would use a shuffle AND as a regular mp3 player for half the cost, what more do you need to say? people pay more than they need to with these shuffles.
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This, exactly. Sadly, some people still can't see a bad product when it's completely obvious. The Sansa Clip kills the new shuffle in every way but size, although it's still one of the smallest on the market. It's touted as one of the best sounding MP3 players, and has an equalizer for those who like to use one. Also, have fun jogging without apple's shitty earbuds falling out, seeing that you won't be able to use better fitting headphones until some overpriced adapter comes along. For those that still want the vastly overpriced G3 shuffle, despite it's crippled features and proprietary lock-in, perhaps you deserve to waste your money.
 
Yeah, if I hadn't got Nano I would have gotten Sansa. You have no ****ing idea how hard it is to get Nano in here. But the stores were flocking with Sansa mp3's.
 
CptStern said:
the problem is that you dont understand marketing. shuffle and the sansa are not in the same catagory. the type of consumer the shuffle appeals to is NOT the same type of consumer the sansa appeals to. it's really an apples and oranges comparison
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I'm not sure what you're saying here. It is about marketing, as you say, but its not that the shuffle appeals to people more than the sansa. The main reason people get a shuffle is because they dont know of anything else, because Apple markets the bajesus out of it, and companies like sansa and creative dont market theirs at all really.

When I worked retail, people would come in asking questions about mp3 players. Only instead of "MP3 players" they would say "iPods" because they thought the words were synonyms. They thought a creative zen micro was just a different type of iPod. And whenever I would explain the features of sansa mp3 players and compare them to that of the shuffle, they realized how stupid it was. I must have had at least 15 customers come in talking about the shuffle and leave with a sansa, and I remember seeing two of them come back in a few weeks later for something, and say how much better it was than their friend's shuffle.

And no, it wasnt because I was trying to sell them the sansa over the shuffle. I would have made more money if they bought the shuffle. Its just that once they picked each one up and tried them (we had working display models) nobody liked the shuffle. Also they were cheaper.
 
If you don't want a shuffle, don't buy it.

If you want a shuffle, buy it.

There, now world peace can begin.
 
G(ordon)-man said:
Yeah, if I hadn't got Nano I would have gotten Sansa. You have no ****ing idea how hard it is to get Nano in here. But the stores were flocking with Sansa mp3's.
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Why did you want the Nano so much that you bought it even though it was hard to find one?
 
I have read through the pages of this thread and have come to a conclusion.

Viperidae is a tool.
 
JUST IN: APPLE TO ADD A PAY-PER-POWERON FUNCTION TO NEW IPOD! TO GET YOUR NEW IPOD TO TURN ON AND ACCESS ALL YOUR MUSIC LIBRARY YOU MUST INSERT A DOLLAR BILL INTO THE SIDE-SLOT UPON EVERY POWERUP! THE ADVANTAGE IS YOU GET TO LISTEN TO THE MUSIC YOU WANT TO....*(except that music you didn't purchase, which we will scramble with our DRM)* K THX


yeah it's coming to that
 
I've always wondered about these things.

Because of their unibody design and such, I have a simple question:

If you ate an iPod Shuffle, would you be able to shit it out?

Of course bonus points go for if the thing still works. Then you can go listen to your shitty music on your, well, shitty iPod.
 
Krynn72 said:
I'm not sure what you're saying here. It is about marketing, as you say, but its not that the shuffle appeals to people more than the sansa. The main reason people get a shuffle is because they dont know of anything else, because Apple markets the bajesus out of it, and companies like sansa and creative dont market theirs at all really.
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this is somehow Apples fault that they have better advertising? and Apple owns 70% of the mp3 market, by default they are far more visible than sansa ...without these threads (which comes up every single time a new ipod is released) I wouldnt even know it existed

Krynn72 said:
When I worked retail, people would come in asking questions about mp3 players. Only instead of "MP3 players" they would say "iPods" because they thought the words were synonyms.
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because they are, just like "kleenex" is the word for facial tissue even though it's not; it's the name of the company that's long been associated with facial tissues. Apple was the first to market that had an impact, they currently own 70% of the mp3 market. the entire industry is centered around everything apple does.

Krynn72 said:
They thought a creative zen micro was just a different type of iPod. And whenever I would explain the features of sansa mp3 players and compare them to that of the shuffle, they realized how stupid it was. I must have had at least 15 customers come in talking about the shuffle and leave with a sansa, and I remember seeing two of them come back in a few weeks later for something, and say how much better it was than their friend's shuffle.
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15 people are not a demographic. and you yourself say that consumers are stupid and dont know any better ...so their opinion after the fact is invalid, specifically because they have nothing to compare it except their "friend's shuffle" which they are predisposed not to like because they spent their money on something else. Pedestrian reviews of products are rarely worth anything as it's always based on nothing more than gut instinct. "I really liked this movie" ya ok, but why? "cuz it was fun"

Krynn72 said:
And no, it wasnt because I was trying to sell them the sansa over the shuffle. I would have made more money if they bought the shuffle. Its just that once they picked each one up and tried them (we had working display models) nobody liked the shuffle. Also they were cheaper.
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cheaper is relative, again you're comparing the sana that's been around for years unchanged with the brand new shuffle. I can still purchase a 2gb shuffle (old model) for $49-$69(canadian, $5 to $10 cheaper than the ipod) which is the direct competitor to the Sansa clip..so price doesnt really factor in. the shuffle is a fraction of the size of the sansa:

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I can clip it to my t-shirt sleeve and it wont fall off ..the sansa isnt meant to be clipped to your shirt collar like the shuffle is. Again the sansa and the shuffle are made for two distinct demographics. Which one is better? well that depends almost entirely on the person using it which is based entirely on what they need it for

also what other mp3 player on the market has as much support as ipods have in terms of accessories and the biggest sticking point of all, which maker of mp3s have an app and online store to support their players like Itunes does? I can purchase music, tv shows, movies, video games, podcasts, audiobooks. I can organise my entire library, control content for every one of my devices and all from a single app.
 
Somehow this turned into an argument about the old shuffle vs the clip...

CptStern said:
I can clip it to my t-shirt sleeve and it wont fall off ..the sansa isnt meant to be clipped to your shirt collar like the shuffle is. Again the sansa and the shuffle are made for two distinct demographics. Which one is better? well that depends almost entirely on the person using it which is based entirely on what they need it for
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The Sansa Clip can also be clipped to your shirt collar, sleeve, and pretty much wherever you like without weighing your clothes down. I'm not sure why you're assuming it can't be, but that would place it into the same demographic would it not? It's called the Sansa Clip for a reason. You also don't need to use the screen if you don't want to, but it's there for when you like to use it.

CptStern said:
also what other mp3 player on the market has as much support as ipods have in terms of accessories and the biggest sticking point of all, which maker of mp3s have an app and online store to support their players like Itunes does?
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Now you're going into ipods in general, which no one has really discredited in this thread. Unless you mean to tell us that being locked into using only apple headphones on the new shuffle is great accessory support, which is a complete joke.

CptStern said:
I can purchase music, tv shows, movies, video games, podcasts, audiobooks. I can organise my entire library, control content for every one of my devices and all from a single app.
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Yup, good luck with that on your screenless shuffle.
 
Sedako said:
Somehow this turned into an argument about the old shuffle vs the clip...
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well lets compare aplles to apples no? when the new sansa clip comes out we can compare it to the new shuffle. the direct competitor is the old shuffle not the new one



Sedako said:
The Sansa Clip can also be clipped to your shirt collar, sleeve, and pretty much wherever you like without weighing your clothes down. I'm not sure why you're assuming it can't be, but that would place it into the same demographic would it not?
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not neccessarily, the apple customer =/= sansa customer


Sedako said:
It's called the Sansa Clip for a reason.
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it's still twice the size of the shuffle, I can clip a brick to my shirt it doesnt make it the same thing

Sedako said:
You also don't need to use the screen if you don't want to, but it's there for when you like to use it.
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the whole idea behind the shuffle is you clip and go. you dont touch the buttons because that's the whole point of it being called the SHUFFLE. hands free because all music is randomly shuffled. It's not a small ipod, it's an ipod made simple for hands free use most of the time



Sedako said:
Now you're going into ipods in general, which no one has really discredited in this thread. Unless you mean to tell us that being locked into using only apple headphones on the new shuffle is great accessory support, which is a complete joke.
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which will be out shortly after the shuffle hits the market ..which is my point; accessory makers flock to each iteration of ipod because of it's market share.


Sedako said:
Yup, good luck with that on your screenless shuffle.
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:upstare: you dont get the ****ing point behind the shuffle. it's not meant to play movies, it's not meant to play games, really unless it's driven into your head with a ballpeen hammer you're just not going to understand this point



look unlike you people I dont give a crap what people buy ..they can buy cynide for all I care (and I often hope some people would). every single time a new ipod comes out thiere's a thread posted with people hgating on the latest ipod. why the **** do you people care? really do you people rail at honda because they make a better product than GM even though GM is cheaper? or fill the internets with discussions on why one bread is better than the other due to price or whole wheat goodness? no, this sort of immature ranting is reserved for companies like apple
 
I think the reason Apple gets so much hate is due to it's snot nosed PR campaign that's essentially just asking for it. In general, I don't so much hate Apple products as I hate the apple "attitude" that seems to come attached to them.
 
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