No, the world did not believe Saddam had WMDs

[CptStern]

yeah, a world gov't built upon willing countries trying to create a warless utopia where everyone has everything they need... it ain;t gonna happen

corrected for accuracy:


"yeah, a world gov't built upon willing countries trying to create a unified whole that will uphold international law"



you really have no argument, you illegally invaded a nation based on fabricated lies ..you cant defend your side of things because at every turn the truth has been exposed. Admit you're wrong and tryto make amends but for god sakes drop the charade ...the world sees right thru it

 

[K e r b e r o s]

that logic legitimizes the insurgency ...illegal invasion

It legitimizes the presence of a resistance, but im not family to those resisting us. I'm family to those who invaded -- so my support immediately resides with our soldiers ... further, as these resister's have shown themselves, their 60-90% not resisters from Iraq ... but a combined arms force of different terrorist factions from around the Middle-East.

Makes our fight all the more original and worth it.

 

[Icarusintel]

you really have no argument, you illegally invaded a nation based on fabricated lies ..you cant defend your side of things because at every turn the truth has been exposed. Admit you're wrong and tryto make amends but for god sakes drop the charade ...the world sees right thru it

i'm just glad we finished what we started in the gulf war

 

[No Limit]

It legitimizes the presence of a resistance, but im not family to those resisting us. I'm family to those who invaded -- so my support immediately resides with our soldiers ... further, as these resister's have shown themselves, their 60-90% not resisters from Iraq ... but a combined arms force of different terrorist factions from around the Middle-East.

Makes our fight all the more original and worth it.

I call bullshit, only about 5% of the 'terrorists' in Iraq are from foreign countries.

 

[Foxtrot]

I call bullshit, only about 5% of the 'terrorists' in Iraq are from foreign countries.

I heard they are mostly from Saudi, I actually heard that last night on Conan O'Brian.

 

[CptStern]

I heard they are mostly from Saudi, I actually heard that last night on Conan O'Brian.

really? if they're from saudi arabia logic dictates that the US would be trying to stem the tide of terrorism in that country by invading it ....not going to happen ...too much Saudi $ in the US

 

[Icarusintel]

really? if they're from saudi arabia logic dictates that the US would be trying to stem the tide of terrorism in that country by invading it ....not going to happen ...too much Saudi $ in the US

why would we invade saudi arabia when they're coming to us, its far more convenient that way

 

[CptStern]

it really boggles the mind ...3 planes kill over 3000 people ...iraq does nothing yet gets invaded after 9/11 ...almost every last hijacker was saudi and so is osama ...yet the ruling class gets escorted out of the country for fear of reprisals from the public ....some were related to osama ...and no one thought to ask a few questions?

 

[No Limit]

I heard they are mostly from Saudi, I actually heard that last night on Conan O'Brian.

Yeah, Conan, a great source for getting news .

Whatever he said was wrong, most insurgents in Iraq are made of Iraqis. Read up on it, this is a great information article that Bush should read some time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_resistance

While it is not known how many of those resisting the U.S. occupation in Iraq are not Iraqi, it is generally agreed that foreign fighters make up a small percentage of the insurgency. Major General Joseph Taluto, head of the 42nd Infantry Division, said that "99.9 per cent" of captured insurgents are Iraqi

 

[Foxtrot]

Yeah, Conan, a great source for getting news .

Whatever he said was wrong, most insurgents in Iraq are made of Iraqis. Read up on it, this is a great information article that Bush should read some time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_resistance

He said captured, most of the ones from Saudi are the suicide bombers, the quote was "Most of the people who blow themselves up are from Saudi" and Conan didn't say it.

 

[clarky003]

it really boggles the mind ...3 planes kill over 3000 people ...iraq does nothing yet gets invaded after 9/11 ...almost every last hijacker was saudi and so is osama ...yet the ruling class gets escorted out of the country for fear of reprisals from the public ....some were related to osama ...and no one thought to ask a few questions?

alot of people asked questions, mostley oil/ economy related question's envolving the invasion of iraq, there was never a clear answer, everyone was caught up in the shell shock moment of the events and were not thinking straight, which explains how the bush administration managed to get away with it.

 

[Dag]

Actually, Iraq was doing things. They started the Iraq-Iran war, which left half-million casualties on both sides. The steam rolled kuwait. They were on construction of Babylon. And they were trying to progress thier Nuclear program, until the Isralies bombed thier only reactor.

 

[Absinthe]

Actually, Iraq was doing things. They started the Iraq-Iran war, which left half-million casualties on both sides. The steam rolled kuwait. They were on construction of Babylon. And they were trying to progress thier Nuclear program, until the Isralies bombed thier only reactor.

US really only gave a shit when it came to Kuwait. Wonder why...

Since then, the whole rebuilding Babylon thing has only been ammunition against Iraq. Would we have cared if we weren't gunning for Iraq? Unlikely.

 

[Dag]

US really only gave a shit when it came to Kuwait. Wonder why...

Since then, the whole rebuilding Babylon thing has only been ammunition against Iraq. Would we have cared if we weren't gunning for Iraq? Unlikely.

Actually, the whole world took intrest in that, its just the US did something about it, and made allies with Kuwait. Then, people get mad when Kuwait denies them something, despite the fact that they never helped at all. And Babylon was only ammunition? A cannon capable of launching warheads and chemical weapons into the heart of America? And thats harmless?

 

[Absinthe]

Actually, the whole world took intrest in that, its just the US did something about it, and made allies with Kuwait.

And yet involvement with the Iran-Iraq war was virtually zilch. So why Kuwait, I ask you?

And Babylon was only ammunition? A cannon capable of launching warheads and chemical weapons into the heart of America? And thats harmless?

"After release from prison he moved to Europe and continued to help the world's combatants to modify their artillery to out-range their opponents. This eventually led to a contract with Iraq to build the 'Project Babylon' supergun, designed for launch of payloads into orbit or warheads over extreme ranges. Israel did not consider this a threatening weapon, but Bull's work to assist the Iraqi's in a multistage missile using clusters of Scud rockets was another matter. After refusing to break contact with the Iraqis despite repeated warnings, Bull was assassinated in March 1990. The gun was never completed and was disassembled by the United Nations after Iraq's defeat in the Gulf War."

http://www.astronautix.com/lvfam/gunnched.htm

Yeah, that's certainly reason to invade, post-2000,

 

[Dag]

And yet involvement with the Iran-Iraq war was virtually zilch. So why Kuwait, I ask you?



"After release from prison he moved to Europe and continued to help the world's combatants to modify their artillery to out-range their opponents. This eventually led to a contract with Iraq to build the 'Project Babylon' supergun, designed for launch of payloads into orbit or warheads over extreme ranges. Israel did not consider this a threatening weapon, but Bull's work to assist the Iraqi's in a multistage missile using clusters of Scud rockets was another matter. After refusing to break contact with the Iraqis despite repeated warnings, Bull was assassinated in March 1990. The gun was never completed and was disassembled by the United Nations after Iraq's defeat in the Gulf War."

http://www.astronautix.com/lvfam/gunnched.htm

Yeah, that's certainly reason to invade, post-2000,

Because Iran hated and does, hate us. And if Babylon wasn't such a big deal, what about Saddam building his Nuclear reactor? I guess that wasn't to big a problem, was it?

 

[Absinthe]

Because Iran hated and does, hate us.

Right, so we only intervene when it suits us. Not for the good of the people. We support brutal dictators when we benefit.

And if Babylon wasn't such a big deal, what about Saddam building his Nuclear reactor? I guess that wasn't to big a problem, was it?

Back in 1981... During the Iran-Iraq war... When we supported him... How does that justify the current Iraq war?

 

[Dag]

Right, so we only intervene when it suits us. Not for the good of the people. We support brutal dictators when we benefit.



Back in 1981... During the Iran-Iraq war... When we supported him... How does that justify the current Iraq war?

Thats the way the world works. Why help out an enemy? Especially was he is fighting what was considered our "ally?"

Whats to say he couldn't build another reactor? Or more weapons?

 

[Absinthe]

An irrelevant possibility. We never found such things in our invasion, nor did we have sufficient proof of their existence beforehand.

 

[Dag]

We found alot of bio-chem weapons, scuds, lots of planes buried.

 

[CptStern]

We found alot of bio-chem weapons, scuds, lots of planes buried.

where? links please ...and not spent cartridges or grain silos or circumstantial evidence ...if you found anything substantial you would have ran with it and used it as a platform to justify your actions ...you've found NOTHING substantial

 

[No Limit]

He said captured, most of the ones from Saudi are the suicide bombers, the quote was "Most of the people who blow themselves up are from Saudi" and Conan didn't say it.

Please, don't start. You have the top general saying 99.9% of captured insurgents are Iraqi; why would he say that if he didn't imply most insurgents are Iraqi. You will try to spin the most obvious facts, what is wrong with you? :dozey: We were talking about insurgents, you tried to defend that insurgents are made up of about 60% of foreign fighers, why can't you just admit that was wrong?

 

[Dag]

where? links please ...and not spent cartridges or grain silos or circumstantial evidence ...if you found anything substantial you would have ran with it and used it as a platform to justify your actions ...you've found NOTHING substantial

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3448.html
http://projects.sipri.se/cbw/research/factsheet-1984.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163879/posts
http://idsnews.com/story.php?id=14009

Does it not take only a tanker of a regular product, like Chlorine, to become a huge dirty bomb?

 

[CptStern]

Because Iran hated and does, hate us. And if Babylon wasn't such a big deal, what about Saddam building his Nuclear reactor? I guess that wasn't to big a problem, was it?

no it wasnt ..iraq had NO nuclear capability

"I worked with the Iraqi nuclear program from 1968 till my departure from Iraq in late 1998. Having been closely involved in most of the major nuclear activities of that program, be it the Russian research reactor in the late sixties, the French research reactors in the late seventies, the Russian nuclear power program in the early eighties, the nuclear weapon program during the eighties and finally the confrontations with U.N. inspection teams in the nineties, it behooves me that I may ridicule the American and British present allegations about Iraq's nuclear capability. "


source

 

[Dag]

no it wasnt ..iraq had NO nuclear capability

Thats because thier only Nuclear reactor was wiped out by the Israelies.

 

[CptStern]

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3448.html
http://projects.sipri.se/cbw/research/factsheet-1984.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163879/posts
http://idsnews.com/story.php?id=14009

Does it not take only a tanker of a regular product, like Chlorine, to become a huge dirty bomb?

your first link:

"According to military reports" ...where are his references?


"Many of you may be unaware of this, given the mainstream media’s focus on Abu Ghraib and gas prices, so I’ll fill you in...."


opinion, conjecture, speculation etc




second link

talks about iraq-iran war for some reason ....over 20 years old ..yes we know he had wmd back then ...who do you think was supplying it to him?





third link ...i'm pretty sure was written by Boris from Rocky and Bullwinkle:

"Polish Secretary of Defense Jerzy Szmajdzinski told about it US Secretary Rumsfeld during NATO summit in Istanbul. Sec Rumsfeld quoted him in radio interview late Wednesdaty - Pentagon informed Thursday . Official communique of Polish Ministry expected soon... "


natasha! ver arrr does dumdums! bushkov and rrrrrumsfeldski



I kill me


ok seriously: it's not substantiated ..no sources and he spells "american" incorrectly:


"Amerciasn experts concluded that missiles contain cyclosarin (gas deadlier than sarin). It is probable that this is the same weapon which was used agains Kurds in Halabja."





fourth link:


"An inspection team searching bunkers in southern Iraq on Thursday found 11 empty chemical warheads that Iraqi officials had not declared to the United Nations, a U.N. spokesman said. Iraq insisted that it had reported the rockets, which it said were old and never used for chemical weapons"

they found old missles that were never meant to carry wmd .....ok there's the proof right there








meh I'll just stick with this


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12115-2004Oct6.html



they should have just stuck with this

 

[Dag]

Your first link was a Mainstream news station. I thought you said those were false?

 

[CptStern]

for your benfit ...I know most of you wouldnt trust an indy or non american source ...mainstream media have their uses ..


now stop stalling, you want to address my points?

 

[Dag]

I'll adress them tomorrow, I can hardly read what your writing. I'll be back tomorrow to finish this Stern, Finish It!!

 

[CptStern]

ok it's tommorrow now

 

[Dag]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect3.html
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/cw/az120103.html

And where might these have gone?
http://archive.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction

And these couldn't have just vanished-
http://www.iraqwatch.org/profiles/chemical.html

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030405-chem-readiness01.htm

Saddam still has thousands of bunkers and miles of Underground storage that haven't been explored. And he buried stuff in the mindset that the US would not claim it, like these.

He had plans, so what had happened if he had obtained the material?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/19/iraq/main564071.shtml

 

[CptStern]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect3.html
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/cw/az120103.html

And where might these have gone?
http://archive.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction

And these couldn't have just vanished-
http://www.iraqwatch.org/profiles/chemical.html

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030405-chem-readiness01.htm

Saddam still has thousands of bunkers and miles of Underground storage that haven't been explored. And he buried stuff in the mindset that the US would not claim it, like these.

He had plans, so what had happened if he had obtained the material?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/19/iraq/main564071.shtml

if that's true then why would they say this?

 

[Icarusintel]

if that's true then why would they say this?

probably cause the bastard sold most of it off

 

[CptStern]

sorry try a little harder than that ...or did you forget about this?

 

[Icarusintel]

sorry try a little harder than that ...or did you forget about this?

that doesn;t address the issue opf him selling arms (unless the video says something not in the text - and i can;t watch the video cause i'm at work)

 

[CptStern]

that doesn;t address the issue opf him selling arms (unless the video says something not in the text - and i can;t watch the video cause i'm at work)

actually that makes sense ...if the entire might of the US army is knocking at my door I'd give what WMD I have to someone who could probably use it more than I can



btw why didnt saddam use his stockpiles of WMD on american troops when the invasion began?


"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."

George Bush February 8, 2003



what happened with that?

 

[Icarusintel]

actually that makes sense ...if the entire might of the US army is knocking at my door I'd give what WMD I have to someone who could probably use it more than I can



btw why didnt saddam use his stockpiles of WMD on american troops when the invasion began?


"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."

George Bush February 8, 2003



what happened with that?

maybe they wussed out

 

[CptStern]

maybe? is that what you're sticking to? "maybe" ..."maybe saddam has wmd" ...2 years later and no wmd has brought about how many deaths? ya I can see how you can put trust in "maybe" :upstare:


"Maybe" saddam went to africa to buy uranium ..."maybe"

"maybe" saddam was behind 9/11 ..."maybe" just "maybe"


"oh sorry we're wrong, our "maybe" was a big fat "no" ...too bad so many people had to die because of a "maybe"



btw here's a list of US companies who sold WMD to saddam prior to 1991 ...why not ask them?


A - nuclear K - chemical B - biological R - rockets (missiles)

1) Honeywell (R,K)

2) Spektra Physics (K)

3) Semetex (R)

4) TI Coating (A,K)

5) UNISYS (A,K)

6) Sperry Corp. (R,K)

7) Tektronix (R,A)

8) Rockwell )(K)

9) Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)

10) Finnigan-MAT-US (A)

11) Hewlett Packard (A.R,K)

12) Dupont (A)

13) Eastman Kodak (R)

14) American Type Culture Collection (B)

15) Alcolac International (C)

16) Consarc (A)

17) Carl Zeis -U.Ss (K)

18) Cerberus (LTD) (A)

19) Electronic Assiciates (R)

20) International Computer Systems

21) Bechtel (K)

22) EZ Logic Data Systems,Inc. (R)

23) Canberra Industries Inc. (A)

24) Axel Electronics Inc. (A)

 

[K e r b e r o s]

call bullshit, only about 5% of the 'terrorists' in Iraq are from foreign countries.

I call bullshit with your statement -- the "Mastermind" behind that countries resistance is a Jordanian, and most of his militants do indeed come from Saudi Arabia! Your 5% is just another one of these quotable things you hope to throw around to barter that the resistance is soley Iraqi.

Listen buttercup, its no longer the "Iraqi Resistance Gem" -- a lot of public support for the insurgents is lowering; the inflow of these terrorists is foreign and definately not as local as before, and wont be that local again for sometime.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

You have the top general saying 99.9%

I'd like to see that comment and the date that goes with it. :rolling: (Linked of course!)