Osama speaks to the people of the US

[hasan]

For those who think The US is the most powerful thing in the world and no one can beat it: you are WRONG.
There are reasons why they can't use nukes, and for those with shallow minds, destroying Iraq doesn't mean wiping it off the map, they simply can't do that.

look at this:
-half a million dead children from the sanctions. Madlen(sp?) Albright said that was OK.
-Use of depleted Uranium: this stuff will continue to radiate for millions of years, if you don't know how destructive this stuff is, google it.
-intentional bombing of civillian houses.
-throwing people in prisons just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, or because some traitors wrote false reports about them being in the resistance.
-letting mafias and gangs out of prison and keeping the innocent people in.
-trigger happy kids shooting at people, with full permission from their commanders. (if not by the instructions of their commanders).

if you think all that is aceptable then there is something seriously wrong with your brain.

 

[MadHatter]

Well it's not as if the US's continued and increasing support of Israel goes any way to HELP relationships between the West and Middle East.

Yes, I know, I understand what you mean lol. Just saying that's not the biggest thorn up Osama and Al-Queda's asses.

 

[Death.Trap]

For those who think The US is the most powerful thing in the world and no one can beat it: you are WRONG.
There are reasons why they can't use nukes, and for those with shallow minds, destroying Iraq doesn't mean wiping it off the map, they simply can't do that.

look at this:
-half a million dead children from the sanctions. Madlen(sp?) Albright said that was OK.
-Use of depleted Uranium: this stuff will continue to radiate for millions of years, if you don't know how destructive this stuff is, google it.
-intentional bombing of civillian houses.
-throwing people in prisons just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, or because some traitors wrote false reports about them being in the resistance.
-letting mafias and gangs out of prison and keeping the innocent people in.
-trigger happy kids shooting at people, with full permission from their commanders. (if not by the instructions of their commanders).

if you think all that is aceptable then there is something seriously wrong with your brain.

Eh? Where are you getting this info from? Trigger happy kids shooting at people. Intentional bombings of civilian houses, ya. How the hell do you know it's intentional? Theres NO reason to kill civilans. All it does is make us look bad. Why would he WANT to kill them?


And yes I know your from Iraq. (i think )

 

[hasan]

Yes I am. Where do I get my info? where do YOU get your info?

Alot of people say big stuff when they know next to nothing. I'm not gonna argue or prove that these things happen, not here/now atlease. that's gonna take alot of time to collect all necessary sources and links and all that kinda stuff. Can't do it now, although I'm trying to work on some document with all sorts of stuff like that, because I found that I often will need such a thing when going in debates and stuff .. but anyway.

 

[Korgoth]

Wow, i'm suprised a slobbering conservative hasn't come into this thread and proclaimed that bin laden wants you to vote for kerry, therefore you must vote for bush.

The tape itself is rather odd. From what I understand, it seems to be a different approach for bin laden. They say it doesn't have any of the religous or hatefull rhetoric. Of course the timed release of the tape has political implications, and that was probably bin ladens goal, however it isn't clear what he wants. He downs kerry and bush, and he also says no matter who we elect our security isn't in the presidents hands, or al qaedas hands, it is in our own hands. Which I don't really understand what he is trying to say here, he should now that the american people have no real power over government.

I do find it amusing how he compared the bush family to the oppresive arab monarchs. Saying they know how these people work, father takes power, son takes over from father, and they deminish civil liberties.

Whats interesting, is does this new tape signal another coming attack? Or, was this just bin ladens, "hey guess what, bush screwed up and i'm still alive" tape. I don't know.

 

[f|uke]

Wow, i'm suprised a slobbering conservative hasn't come into this thread and proclaimed that bin laden wants you to vote for kerry, therefore you must vote for bush.

Me too. I think the conservatives here have taken too much of a beating recently,. triggered largely by Merc's unfortunate thread (not to mention these news reports).

The comparision to arab monarchs probably seems obvious in the eyes of the Arab world. In what kind of democracy does a father and a son both become leaders? What would the odds of that be in an uncorrupt system?

As for another attack,. I think Osama's plans hinge highly on who is elected. If Bush, then an attempt is likely. If Kerry, then he will probably wait and see how Kerry behaves.

 

[MadHatter]

What are the odds of two Skulls & Bones members running against each other for president?

 

[gh0st]

Wow, i'm suprised a slobbering conservative hasn't come into this thread and proclaimed that bin laden wants you to vote for kerry, therefore you must vote for bush.

i was just on my way to do that.

What are the odds of two Skulls & Bones members running against each other for president?

pretty high, everyone in DC with any power is a member of skull and bones.

 

[f|uke]

What are the odds of two Skulls & Bones members running against each other for president?

Seriously. But its our own damned fault.

I think Howard Dean could have made a better president. That guy has passion,. and does seem to be more of an 'everyman'. I still dont get why he got slammed for that speach. He didnt seem angry to me.

Oh well. If I really had my way, I'd vote for Barack Obama. That guy is sharp. I bet he runs in 2012-2020. (and a Barack Obama presidency would surely get Phil LaMarr's career back on track! )

 

[gh0st]

I think Howard Dean could have made a better president. That guy has passion,. and does seem to be more of an 'everyman'.

he does have passion but honestly.... "howahhhh?" i think he brought it on himself.

 

[sublidieminal]

Dean was my initial favorite until he stepped down. He would have made a great one.

 

[hasan]

Wow, i'm suprised a slobbering conservative hasn't come into this thread and proclaimed that bin laden wants you to vote for kerry, therefore you must vote for bush.

The tape itself is rather odd. From what I understand, it seems to be a different approach for bin laden. They say it doesn't have any of the religous or hatefull rhetoric. Of course the timed release of the tape has political implications, and that was probably bin ladens goal, however it isn't clear what he wants. He downs kerry and bush, and he also says no matter who we elect our security isn't in the presidents hands, or al qaedas hands, it is in our own hands. Which I don't really understand what he is trying to say here, he should now that the american people have no real power over government.

I do find it amusing how he compared the bush family to the oppresive arab monarchs. Saying they know how these people work, father takes power, son takes over from father, and they deminish civil liberties.

Whats interesting, is does this new tape signal another coming attack? Or, was this just bin ladens, "hey guess what, bush screwed up and i'm still alive" tape. I don't know.

Yeah, I didn't get it either, what exactly does he want?

Maybe though between the lines, there is a messege saying he won't attack during elections, he wants to see what americans decide? I don't know, I just felt that way somehow.

His comparison between bush and arab leaders is kinda interesting, it goes parallel with the democrates blaming bush for failure to stop the attacks.
Democrats: the intellegence didn't do enough to prevent the attacks, they knew already but ignored the warnings.
Bin Laden: the curroption of Bush's administrations has helped us carry out the attacks.

 

[falconwind]

here's another source

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm.../ap/20041030/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_tape_20

In case you want to compare.

 

[falconwind]

he does have passion but honestly.... "howahhhh?" i think he brought it on himself.

I can't believe he got derailed by "howaahh!"... People made such a huge deal, calling him crazy and stuff. Talk about bang for your buck.

 

[sublidieminal]

Democrats: the intellegence didn't do enough to prevent the attacks, they knew already but ignored the warnings.
Bin Laden: the curroption of Bush's administrations has helped us carry out the attacks.

Democrats are the best weapons against Bin Laden, or Al-Quida. Judging by that statement. I just can't believe this is a war on "Terrorism", it's impossible to end terrorism with war. It just causes more terrorist uproar, which causes an unsafer world. To summarize it all you just have to know that the only person that deserved non negotiable war waged on him was Bin Laden and his partners in crime. Anyone else deserved negotiation. It's impossible to say we would be in this shit if we had negotiated like a free loving country should.

All this because republicans, or at least the bush administration cannot handle war.. while when you think about it.... life would be so much different if Gore went into office. Starting with the document "Osama Bin Laden planning attacks on american soil" (as titled by Condleangus Rice) being payed attention to.

 

[gh0st]

I can't believe he got derailed by "howaahh!"... People made such a huge deal, calling him crazy and stuff. Talk about bang for your buck.

same reason dukakis was shutout with the tank fiasco. its all about image.(http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/lm10.html)

 

[dream431ca]

You know what Osama was saying?? He was saying leave the muslim community alone and we will leave you alone..but will the US leave them alone...on the contrary..this will only make the US want to do more to the muslims..so I would say expect more terrorists attacks cause the US won't stop sticking their noses into other countries.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

This really shows how much I miss the Cold War. To me, Osama is being about as reasonable as Bush here: Not very reasonable at all.

I mean, Osama is an idiot for attacking anyone, especially America, as a means of removing them from the mideast. That's the absolute last thing he should have done if he wanted things his way. Just because that one guy couldn't handle solving his problems with brains instead of brawn.

But he is also right in the fact that the US's policy in the mideast is incredibly sloppy. It doesn't justify 9/11, but it's still moronic to have expected the mideast not to retaliate somehow. It was only a matter of time before the violence left the mideast and hit us here, but nothing has been done to stop it except with military might.

Even after the attacks occured, Bush's response is to essentially create a multi-billion dollar manifestation of the mideast's reasons to fear western culture. We need some goddamn diplomacy here. Not wars and threats and overthrowing.
The only way there's going to be any peace is if we can convince the mideast that we can live alongside one another without stepping on eachother's dicks.

Americans may be calling out for revenge, and Al-Queda may be calling out for revenge, but the simple fact is that revenge is the last thing either side should want.

They attack us. We attack them. They attack us. I miss the time when either side was afraid of attacking the other. Remove the attacks, and you eventually remove the fear. Remove the fear, and no-one attacks.
It should've been simple.

 

[Lemonking]

all Terroists live in Backa Lacka Street!!! did anyone see America World Police Force yet its soooo funny u guys have to see it

 

[Tr0n]

Yes I am. Where do I get my info? where do YOU get your info?

Alot of people say big stuff when they know next to nothing. I'm not gonna argue or prove that these things happen, not here/now atlease. that's gonna take alot of time to collect all necessary sources and links and all that kinda stuff. Can't do it now, although I'm trying to work on some document with all sorts of stuff like that, because I found that I often will need such a thing when going in debates and stuff .. but anyway.

Well...lets see that info.If your gonna debate stuff you gotta have sources to back it up. :thumbs:

 

[Korgoth]

You know what Osama was saying?? He was saying leave the muslim community alone and we will leave you alone..but will the US leave them alone...on the contrary..this will only make the US want to do more to the muslims..so I would say expect more terrorists attacks cause the US won't stop sticking their noses into other countries.

Its a little more complicated than that, to do so, we would also have to abolish support of israel, and for some reason you won't find a president (rep or dem) who won't support israel. I mean sure they commit military terror, and are a middle eastern country that has wmd, but i mean come on, iraq people iraq!!!!! they have muskets. (refering to that video that got shown over and over and over and over of saddam firing a rifle in the air during a celebration)

 

[Dulrough]

Its times like these when I ask myself: What if the middle east had no oil at all?

I mean think about it, the area is the birth of mankind, one would expect and empire to stretch out from there, at least at one time. One would think they would be the wisest and most powerfull of all civilizations, but they're not.

Why?

 

[Tr0n]

Its times like these when I ask myself: What if the middle east had no oil at all?

I mean think about it, the area is the birth of mankind, one would expect and empire to stretch out from there, at least at one time. One would think they would be the wisest and most powerfull of all civilizations, but they're not.

Why?

Well one word...Human.Kinda reminds me of what Mr.Anderson said to Morpheus (while he was being interrogated) in the first matrix.

 

[poksmote]

He seemed suprised that there were people in the towers, as if he felt Bush could have forewarned them. The president did get a memo about a possible attack exactly like 9/11 durring his vacation the month before. He clearly did not think much of that memo. Osama also says the US deserves it for murdering their women and children durring some disaster in 1982.

I also loved the quote about Sweden: "if we were against freedom then why didn't we attack Sweden?"

Even Osama knows Sweden rules.

He then states the "if you don't **** with us, we won't **** with you" policy. That's a fairly different impression then what the Bush administration would like you to believe. It seems he is more against the US government than its American people themselves.

Does it bother anyone that Bush and Osama seem to give similar speeches? Even moreso that Osama is more outspoken than the president?? lol **** this, I'm moving to Sweden.

 

[Kangy]

Hrm.

I didn't agree with everything he said there, but that was Bin Laden's most sensible speech so far.

I also agree with the Chi:

I'm pretty upset the UK will be targeted because of decisions that weren't supported by a good amount of people in Parliament, or the public he supposedly represents.

Rock on Tony, rock on.

 

[NeptuneUK]

Rock on Tony, rock on.

hehehehe *imagines Tony Blair Headbanging to heavy metal*
hehehehe

 

[Mr Stabby]

I think that message was to get people(Bush) to believe that bin laden is not in a postion to luanch a terrorist attack on the U.S. As white house officials on the BBC news have said,"this video shows we are winning and bin laden does not have the resources to luanch and attack to interfere with the elections like in Madrid"
Then there could be a planned attack.

I dont think there can ever be peace, until there is an all out winner (which won't be for atleast 50 years), when the resentment towards the west started western leaders had many opportunities to ensure peace but instead went for oil. ever since there has been an escallation in violence from both sides.

 

[Homer]

Apparently he doesnt understand the US political system very well.


I also love how the core reason they are mad is our support of isreal.

News flash, you jerks attacked THEM.

 

[Homer]

He seemed suprised that there were people in the towers, as if he felt Bush could have forewarned them. The president did get a memo about a possible attack exactly like 9/11 durring his vacation the month before. He clearly did not think much of that memo. Osama also says the US deserves it for murdering their women and children durring some disaster in 1982.

I also loved the quote about Sweden: "if we were against freedom then why didn't we attack Sweden?"

Even Osama knows Sweden rules.

He then states the "if you don't **** with us, we won't **** with you" policy. That's a fairly different impression then what the Bush administration would like you to believe. It seems he is more against the US government than its American people themselves.

Does it bother anyone that Bush and Osama seem to give similar speeches? Even moreso that Osama is more outspoken than the president?? lol **** this, I'm moving to Sweden.

This is psychological warfare, nothing more. Read some of Osama's older speeches, the guy pretty much thinks everyone who doesn't pray towards Mecca 5 times a day needs to die.

 

[Mr Stabby]

I also love how the core reason they are mad is our support of isreal.

News flash, you jerks attacked THEM.

actually Up till the late 1940's what is now isreal was for a long time an arab state, then the arabs were kicked out and the land given to the newly formed isreal, which would piss any one off if it happened to them

also its a very small minority who support the terrorist ideals

 

[Hapless]

This is absolutely unbelievable. We are talking about a man who was assisted by, and who is a hero of, one of the most repressive regimes ever. And somebody here mentions his comment about "civil liberties?" Sure, he's not really a bad guy, he's just misunderstood. Why, he's just like the American Minutemen. Of course, they were fighting for FREEDOM and he is fighting to establish a global Muslim theocracy where all women must wear burkha's and "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth," is the law. But that's all semantics. Hell, let's all join him. A few people in here need to read up on their Israeli history as well.

 

[Venmoch]

Mind you, going back to Iraq, any mention of the attitudes towards the British there? We seem to have a lot less casualtys for a start and seem to be doing the whole peacekeepig thing a little better.

Probably because we've been through the same types of situations before in Ireland. (Yes we've had terrorism for at least 20 years or so.)

Our Peacekeeping seems so much different from the US's (eg When the war ends the helmets come off, FOOT patrols happen (Not crusing round in Hummers) and a specific set of "rules" come into play) Part of Americas problem in Iraq is it that it doesn't know what Peacekeeping is and what it entails. Of course your going to alienate people if you drive round the streets in Humvees fully kitted out with combat stuff.

Ever thought of listening to the British on this one?

On the Osama video, he sounds like any freedom fighter, how is that different from the American rebels that you praise for beating out the British? He sounds like the man I'd vote for. Not only are his ideas clear, he strives to achieve them.

 

[Korgoth]

This is absolutely unbelievable. We are talking about a man who was assisted by, and who is a hero of, one of the most repressive regimes ever. And somebody here mentions his comment about "civil liberties?" Sure, he's not really a bad guy, he's just misunderstood. Why, he's just like the American Minutemen. Of course, they were fighting for FREEDOM and he is fighting to establish a global Muslim theocracy where all women must wear burkha's and "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth," is the law. But that's all semantics. Hell, let's all join him. A few people in here need to read up on their Israeli history as well.

No ones saying that dip, why don't you calm down eh?
And the comment about civil liberties in which you refer to so eloquently in your post, maybe he knows oppression, he compared bush to other arab leaders (monarchs) whos fathers rule the country then whos sons rule the country, as they disban all sensible civil liberties.

No ones agreeing with him. And maybe you should do some research on Israel... They aren't the victims either you know.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Oh god, it does'nt take long for people to have PMS fits over which candidate is better.

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On a side note, its interesting to note his last sentence; its almost like people are trying to avoid discussing it altogether. Im not quoting it here, for its in the sources on the top of the first page.

Read the whole article, if you want the "not so secret, but obvious" message. Im still with Alex on this one (would'nt know him, Conspiracy theorist), and its suprising to see just how right he is.

Course, this is all relevant.

 

[Majestic XII]

Great, now Saddam and Osama likes us

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Its what people do before they're ready to give up.

 

[Wraith]

theres nothing sick about fighting back against someone who has attacked your people.

have you guys ever heard of the revolutionary war?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Yes. The United States citizenry started out, as, terrorists. (Where you suprised I knew?)

So, basically this is gang war. Now, dont get caught in the crossfire.

 

[Tr0n]

Yes. The United States citizenry started out, as, terrorists. (Where you suprised I knew?)

So, basically this is gang war. Now, dont get caught in the crossfire.

Yay we were terrorists!

 

[Wraith]

on the one side we have a strong leader who isnt afraid to use force against those stupid idiot muslims who worship their dumb "allah" and all live in tents.

on the other side they have a strong leader (what is osama anyway, like an underground resistance fighter guy?) who isnt afraid to use force against those stupid idiot americans who worship their dumb cell phones and clothing, and all live in glorious 3 story mansions.


we need to just leave them alone, and they'll leave us alone, if we both adopt a policiy of mutually assured destrustion, i can assure you, we will both be destroyed.