Osama speaks to the people of the US

[MadHatter]

And he gave us the prosperity that Clinton lived through. He also ended the Cold War and was one of the most popular Presidents of all time.

Reagan was at the right place at the right time. Reagan was a good president, but not as good as so many republicans, and others, make him out to be. By the time he became the incumbent president, Russia was already crumbling from her own weight and sinking ever deeper into financial debt and depression; she had spent all her resources trying to compete against the US during the early-mid stages of the Cold War. Trust me, if Bush was president during Reagan's terms, then people would be raving that Bush ended the Cold War and beat the Russians in the arms race.

Clinton compares to Calvin Coolidge of the 20s. Clinton prospered because of many things; one was the ever growing economic dominance of the US capitalistic world.

 

[Silent_night]

is there anywhere i can see this video , i saw it before on yahoo , but i cant find it anymore

 

[hasan]

original source:
http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/streams/2004/10/29/1_507926_1_12.wmv

low quality, no translation.

 

[Silent_night]

yislamo ya hasan !

 

[Korgoth]

So what. Just because I support one person doesnt mean I am completely blinded.

no sorry, thats not what i meant to imply, i was simply saying that, that was the easy conclusion one would come to since you obviously support one candidate over the other.

 

[CptStern]

And he gave us the prosperity that Clinton lived through. He also ended the Cold War and was one of the most popular Presidents of all time.

he also amassed more wmd than any other american prez ..he was a senile fool who consulted the stars before making decisions ...surprised he didnt blow us all to kingdom come

 

[Hapless]

he also amassed more wmd than any other american prez ..he was a senile fool who consulted the stars before making decisions ...surprised he didnt blow us all to kingdom come

 

[sublidieminal]

Let me do a wild guess....Kerry because he's weak.

You Republicans have a big issue with hostile paranoia.

Who said Kerry was weak? He's done alot more in battle than Bush has (i.e. drop out of national guard.).

 

[MadHatter]

Who said Kerry was weak? He's done alot more in battle than Bush has (i.e. drop out of national guard.).

Yeah, Kerry did a lot in Vietnam; he got his ass shot off 3 times.


JOB APPLICATION

NAME: John Kerry

RESIDENCE: 7 mansions, including one in Washington DC, worth multi-millions. I served in Vietnam (four months).

EXPERIENCE:
Law Enforcement. In my career as a U.S. Senator, I've voted to cut every law enforcement, CIA, and Defense bill. I ordered the city of Boston to remove a fire hydrant in front of my mansion, thereby endangering my neighbors in the event of fire. I served in Vietnam (four months).

MILITARY:
I served in Vietnam (four months). I used three minor injuries to get an early discharge from the military and service in Vietnam (as documented by the attending doctor). I served in Vietnam (four months). I then returned to the U.S., joined Jane Fonda in protesting the war, and insulted returning Vietnam vets, claiming they committed atrocities and were baby killers. I served in Vietnam (four months). I threw my medals, ribbons, or something away in protest. Or did I? My book " Vietnam Veterans Against the War: The New Soldier", shows how I truly feel about the military. I served in Vietnam (four months).

COLLEGE:
I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. Unlike my counterpart George Bush, I have no higher education and did not get admitted to Harvard nor graduate with an M.B.A

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
After College and Vietnam, I ran for the U.S. Congress and have been there ever since. I have no real world experience except marrying very rich women and running their companies vicariously through them. I served in Vietnam (four months).

ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
As a U.S. Senator I set the record for the most liberal voting record, exceeding even Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. I have consistently failed to support our military and CIA by voting against their budgets, thus gutting our country's ability to defend itself. Although I voted for the Iraq War, now I am against it and refuse to admit that I voted for it. I voted for every liberal piece of legislation. I have no plan to help this country but I intend to raise taxes significantly if I am elected. I served in Vietnam (four months).

My wealth so far exceeds that of my counterpart, George Bush, that he will never catch up. I make little or no charitable contributions and have never agreed to pay any voluntary excess taxes in Massachusetts, despite family wealth in excess of $ 700 million. I served in Vietnam (four months).

I (we) own 28 manufacturing plants (Heinz) outside of the U.S. in places like Asia, Mexico and Europe. We can make more profit from the cheaper cost of labor in those Countries, although I blame George Bush for sending all of the other jobs out of Country. I served in Vietnam (four months).

Although I claim to be in favor of alternative energy sources, Ted Kennedy and I oppose windmills off Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard as it might spoil our view of the ocean as we cruise on our yachts. I served in Vietnam (four months).

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
None. However, I served in Vietnam (four months).

PERSONAL I practice my Catholic faith whenever cameras are present. I ride a Serotta Bike. I love to ski/snowboard. I call my Gulfstream V Jet the "Flying Squirrel". I call my $850,000 42-foot Hinckley twin diesel yacht the "Scarmouche".

I am fascinated by rap and hip-hop and feel it reflects our real culture.

I own several "Large" SUVs including one parked at my Nantucket summer mansion, though I am against large, polluting, inefficient vehicles and blame George Bush for our energy problems. I served in Vietnam (four months).

PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.

 

[MadHatter]

Damn, wish I can find Bush's "Presidential Test" again... That thing was hilarious.

 

[sublidieminal]

Haha, thats a good one, have one of those for Bush? I'm sure people will actually find it funny...

Edit: FIND IT THEN!!!! :rolling:

 

[Spartan]

I am actually suprised that there wasn't already a thread on this one: al-Jazeera has aired a video message from Osama bin Laden. He actually adresses the American people. Read excerpts from it here.

EDIT lol, Osama turned me into an Ichtyosaur. 350 posts, yay!

EDIT 2 The BBC has more quotes from the tape.

What's interesting about his speech is that it directly contradicts everything that flag-wavers have said. It also attacks the US administration, rather than the nation.

The way I see it, OBL is no different from Bush or any other head of state. When your military bombs civilians, it's called collateral damage. When someone else does it, it's called terrorism. Yawn.

 

[bliink]

NAME: John Kerry
... I served in Vietnam (four months).

Dont forget George W's:

Went AWOL (more than 4 months!)

 

[Sparta]

he also amassed more wmd than any other american prez ..he was a senile fool who consulted the stars before making decisions ...surprised he didnt blow us all to kingdom come

He also ended the Cold War, and he was also a much better prez then Bush has been. Personally i reckon Clinton has been one of the best though

 

[Tinneth]

I want Bush to say President...at least we can laugh at him That Kerry bloke is just boring :E

 

[Apos]

And he gave us the prosperity that Clinton lived through.

Er, how do you figure? I know it's a law that conservatives have to claim this, but really, what's the evidence? Four years is a LONG time for a President's influence to reach over fiscal policy. I would say that George Bush the first had more positive influence on Clinton's good fortune than Reagan.

He also ended the Cold War and was one of the most popular Presidents of all time.

Er, how do you figure?

He was one of the most popular EX Presidents, but his popularity ratings in office were never very exceptional. Nixon was more popular in his first term than Reagan was.

Of course, in Republican la-la land, any fantastic thing said about Reagan MUST be true.

 

[Sprafa]

Reagan won by a landslide because he was relatively tons better than the other guy, not because he was that good. But the Republicans say he was the most popular president ever because he won those elections by such a landslide. And don't credit Reagan for ending the Cold War.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Er, how do you figure? I know it's a law that conservatives have to claim this, but really, what's the evidence? Four years is a LONG time for a President's influence to reach over fiscal policy. I would say that George Bush the first had more positive influence on Clinton's good fortune than Reagan.

Many papers I have read written by economists claim that his tax breaks took their full effect right as Clinton was entering office.

He was one of the most popular EX Presidents, but his popularity ratings in office were never very exceptional. Nixon was more popular in his first term than Reagan was.

I remember a stat that that when he left office, his popularity was the highest for any President over the last 30 years.

Reagan won by a landslide because he was relatively tons better than the other guy, not because he was that good. But the Republicans say he was the most popular president ever because he won those elections by such a landslide. And don't credit Reagan for ending the Cold War.

Believe it, this is from a 'non biased' source BTW, not some liberal ya ya site.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/10/eveningnews/main622398.shtml

 

[Apos]

Many papers I have read written by economists claim that his tax breaks took their full effect right as Clinton was entering office.

What tax breaks? He did a pretty good thing way back when he first got into office by lowering the more outrageous marginal rates. But since that period, Reagan himself RAISED taxes, as did George Bush the First: facts that are convieniently left out when discussing his impact. And it was more than 12 years later that the fruits of this supposed effect were felt: far to long to sensibly credit it to a tax stimulus or even long term readjustment, given all the intervening things that happened since then.

The economists you reference are almost certainly right-wing cranks.

I remember a stat that that when he left office, his popularity was the highest for any President over the last 30 years.

Sure, because everyone had sympathy for the guy, given his condition, and given that he was to the end a pretty personable lovable old guy. We're you even alive when that happened, by the way?

Believe it, this is from a 'non biased' source BTW, not some liberal ya ya site.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/10/eveningnews/main622398.shtml

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Ah yes, the loving articles written directly after his death. Lots of room for critical thought and honest appraisal there!

Reagan most certainly did help end the Cold War, however, and it was a great achievement. But the myth of how and why is, again, bigger than the reality.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Sure, because everyone had sympathy for the guy, given his condition, and given that he was to the end a pretty personable lovable old guy. We're you even alive when that happened, by the way?

He wasnt diagnosed until 1994. And alive? Barely.

Reagan most certainly did help end the Cold War, however, and it was a great achievement. But the myth of how and why is, again, bigger than the reality.

There you go.

What tax breaks? He did a pretty good thing way back when he first got into office by lowering the more outrageous marginal rates. But since that period, Reagan himself RAISED taxes, as did George Bush the First: facts that are convieniently left out when discussing his impact. And it was more than 12 years later that the fruits of this supposed effect were felt: far to long to sensibly credit it to a tax stimulus or even long term readjustment, given all the intervening things that happened since then.

Yes he did raise taxes after his first break, but I dont believe it ever went above what he had cut it from. So overall he ran a tax break.

PS Just because someone writes something you dont agree with, doesnt mean they are cranks. I suppose you are a crank because you dont agree with me right?