Osama speaks to the people of the US

Osama isn't commanding vast armies or nations. He's leading a tiny movement. What we have to do is root the guy and his people out, wherever they are: the Kerry strategy. Not go stumbling around destabilizing areas like Iraq that then become fodder for manpower and weapons. You can't beat terrorism as an idea, but you can destroy this particular terrorist network, which is one of the only ones in the world who will actually resort to terrorism.

What's really amusing is that all the right wing pundits had just gotten through a week of claiming that Al Qaeda's silence proves that they want Kerry to win:

MORRIS: You know, Al Qaeda is voting in this election with their silence. ... Do you hear a peep out of them? Do you hear a bin Laden tape? Do you hear a threatening gesture? Do you hear any kind of statement that any of them is making? And they know that if they attack, uh, the United States or in some major terrorist target that that's gonna raise the fear level and that it will help Bush. ... But Putin, who is opposed to it, said that a victory for Kerry would -- would not help the war on terror.

HANNITY: Yeah. ... I think your analysis is 100 percent right, and I think they know politically that an attack would help George W. Bush. I think they are that savvy and that aware of our political system.

But now that Osama and the weird American dude have surfaced.... well did you think this story was going to end with right wingers being consistent? Nah: now they claim that the NON-SILENCE of Al Qaeda proves that they want Kerry.

Hacks.
 
Hacks, i.e. partisan hacks.

It's pretty clear that Osama's object here is to be seen as important. He doesn't care who wins the election as long as he gets the credit, either for making people cling instinctively to mommy-Bush in fear, or go for Kerry after seeing that Bush can't beat Al Qaeda. And the worst part is that our pundits, left and right, are going to give him just that effect: they're going to make a big deal about him swinging things one way or another.
 
Innervision961 said:
No ones saying that dip, why don't you calm down eh?
And the comment about civil liberties in which you refer to so eloquently in your post, maybe he knows oppression, he compared bush to other arab leaders (monarchs) whos fathers rule the country then whos sons rule the country, as they disban all sensible civil liberties.

No ones agreeing with him. And maybe you should do some research on Israel... They aren't the victims either you know.

Wow, that whole post makes no sense. "no-one's agreeing with him, except when he bags on Bush for being the son of another president." I've done plenty of research on Israel, genius. How much do you know about it?
 
Apos said:
Osama isn't commanding vast armies or nations. He's leading a tiny movement. What we have to do is root the guy and his people out, wherever they are: the Kerry strategy. Not go stumbling around destabilizing areas like Iraq that then become fodder for manpower and weapons. You can't beat terrorism as an idea, but you can destroy this particular terrorist network, which is one of the only ones in the world who will actually resort to terrorism.

What's really amusing is that all the right wing pundits had just gotten through a week of claiming that Al Qaeda's silence proves that they want Kerry to win:



But now that Osama and the weird American dude have surfaced.... well did you think this story was going to end with right wingers being consistent? Nah: now they claim that the NON-SILENCE of Al Qaeda proves that they want Kerry.

Hacks.

Oh, I forgot. There was no terrorism before Osama. Once we get him the war is over. He is responsible for every terrorist attack ever. The Achille Lauro, Pan Am Flight 103, everything. And again, for those of you who like to delve into relativism, terrorists delight in deliberately targeting civilians, particularly women and children, to gain as much shock value as possible. I don't recall that tactic being used by American colonists during the Revolution. OOOOOOOOO, they dumped tea in Boston Harbor, that's on a moral level with slamming planes into the WTC and the Pentagon.
 
Hapless said:
Oh, I forgot. There was no terrorism before Osama. Once we get him the war is over. He is responsible for every terrorist attack ever. The Achille Lauro, Pan Am Flight 103, everything

You totally forgot Osama's links to the IRA!
 
Mr Stabby said:
also its a very small minority who support the terrorist ideals

The single biggest problem in the middle east today is that the Muslim leaders aren't willing to say "Yea, terrorism is a problem. It needs to be solved". In stead, they all say the same sort of thing. "Only 1% of all Muslims support terrorists".

Well, there are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world(according to the Council on American-Islamic relations). 1% of 1.2 billion is 12 million. I would say that is a big enough number that they really need to be dealing with it with more than denial.
 
Homer said:
The single biggest problem in the middle east today is that the Muslim leaders aren't willing to say "Yea, terrorism is a problem. It needs to be solved".

Those muslim-leaders don't like Osama either, trust me. Osama wants the muslim-masses to stand up and overthrow the corrupt and dictatorial regimes in the Middle East. Do you think those regimes like that?
 
Shakermaker said:
Those muslim-leaders don't like Osama either, trust me. Osama wants the muslim-masses to stand up and overthrow the corrupt and dictatorial regimes in the Middle East. Do you think those regimes like that?

Another example of the problem. I NEVER hear this stuff from the muslim leaders. I just hear people assuring me of how they feel.

Besides, I'm talking about religious leaders, not political.
 
Despite the fact that Osama bin Laden denounces Bush, you can tell that he really wants Bush to win the elections. bin Laden is no fool. If he said Bush is bad, people will vote for Bush. And remember, Bush is a person that bin Laden can use to get the whole Arab world against the United States.
 
Wraith said:
theres nothing sick about fighting back against someone who has attacked your people.
Oh, ok. So I can go around, killing innocent women and children, and smash commercial airliners into large buildings filled with innocent people, and It's ok as long as I'm fighting for my people.

Screw the United States, I guess. 9/11 was a necessary casualty in the war for freedom in the Arab world, right?
 
The arab world will never have exceptionally good relations with the US because our cultures clash on every level.
 
So the vid is supposed to be 18 minutes long, that seems like what..2 minutes? What else is on that damn tape..
 
mchammer75040 said:
So the vid is supposed to be 18 minutes long, that seems like what..2 minutes? What else is on that damn tape..

Al-Jazeera refuses to divulgue that...
 
well i dont care about any of this shize cause im moving to costa rica when i get outta high school.

no more worries

ya so like all u just need to chillax

f*ck saddam, f*ck bush, f*ck kerry, f*ck osama and f*ck politics and mexicans

stop worrying and just blaze up biatches

all problems solved
 
Sprafa said:
Al-Jazeera refuses to divulgue that...
Then what sort of credible 'news' agency are they? :|

what does 'blaze up bitches' mean? :dozey:
 
they refused to publish the rest because they say is has no value news-wise.
 
Uh oh. Some Bush staffer just described Osama being alive as a "little gift" and said that "this is good for us."

So... the guy that murdered thousands is still on the loose and threatening more... and that's good.

I think the interests of America and the interests of the bush campaign have diverged oh.... just a wee tiny bit.
 
seinfeldrules said:
Hes on the run faster than a school girl from a serial rapist.

A school girl usually can't get away from a serial rapist. And since you republicans claim the huge job we are doing in the hunt for Bin Laden, why don't we just put that serial rapist in a van. How often does a school girl get away from a serial rapist in a van?

What an analogy...
 
A school girl usually can't get away from a serial rapist. And since you republicans claim the huge job we are doing in the hunt for Bin Laden, why don't we just put that serial rapist in a van. How often does a school girl get away from a serial rapist in a van?

He really isnt much of a threat when he is on the run all the time. However, that doesnt mean Al Qaeda isnt a threat.

PS. a school girl would run like hell from a guy trying to rape her, but she cant outlast him forever as you mentioned.
 
seinfeldrules said:
He really isnt much of a threat when he is on the run all the time. However, that doesnt mean Al Qaeda isnt a threat.

PS. a school girl would run like hell from a guy trying to rape her, but she cant outlast him forever as you mentioned.

How is he on the run? I mean, wouldn't he be on the run if the U.S. was near his tail? I haven't heard anything about the U.S. and their finds about Osama's whereabouts in a while. Wouldn't you assume they aren't near finding him, and that he doesn't need to jump from cave to cave? What makes you think he doesn't have an established heaquarters?
 
Hapless said:
Wow, that whole post makes no sense. "no-one's agreeing with him, except when he bags on Bush for being the son of another president." I've done plenty of research on Israel, genius. How much do you know about it?

It makes perfect sense ass, I never agreed with him. Not even about the comparison between bush and arab monarchs. I said it was ironic, and that he probably knows what oppression is considering he and the taliban held down an entire country in afghanistan... Doesn't mean I think he is right.

And what do you want to know about israel? Like that the actuall state of israel was proclaimed in the late 40's, jerusalem is the capital (was formerly tel aviv until they stole that area, most arab countries recognize tel aviv as the capital as they believe israel proclamation of jerusalem as capital to be illegal)... Or how about UN resolution 194, that like Iraq, israel has failed to comply with? And that israel has been to war or in conflict with just about every arab country, syria, lebanon, egypt, iraq, jordan, even saudi arabia. They are building a wall for apartheid... How about the IDF killing children as they leave schools, or missiling "terrorist targets" and killing 100's of civillians.

Yeah the palestinians do it too. They are just as guilty. They bomb innocent people and kill women and children as well. But you really can not pick sides in this (israel vs palestine). Thats my point, and thats exactly what our government has done, and thats exactly why we are hated by arabs the world over, because of our undying fait in israel, even though they seem to enjoy spying on us and helped us come to the conclusion that we must invade iraq.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/eveningnews/main639143.shtml.
 
sublidieminal said:
How is he on the run? I mean, wouldn't he be on the run if the U.S. was near his tail? I haven't heard anything about the U.S. and their finds about Osama's whereabouts in a while. Wouldn't you assume they aren't near finding him, and that he doesn't need to jump from cave to cave? What makes you think he doesn't have an established heaquarters?

It is pretty common knowledge that the US keeps Osama on the move, I dont know if even Stern would dispute that. I dont think the US military is going to tell you about every operation in Afghanistan, even when they do, the focus is on Iraq, so the media ignores it.
 
Well I know that, but you know.. there should be a trickle of info every now and then. I want to be more informed about the osama situation atm
 
Gee I wonder if there would have been a tape of Osama, if Bush had finished the job in the first place and never went for oil... i mean wmd's.... i mean freedom.... i mean democracy.... and Kerry's the flip-flopper? lol Do the world a favor and vote Bush out of office.
 
Aljazeera is a news site similar to the BBC except they believe in the right of everyone to have their say. (And try to steer clear of bias)

Plus a lot of its news is Arab based.

In fact it seems to be quite a good news source.
 
Innervision961 said:
It makes perfect sense ass, I never agreed with him. Not even about the comparison between bush and arab monarchs. I said it was ironic, and that he probably knows what oppression is considering he and the taliban held down an entire country in afghanistan... Doesn't mean I think he is right.

And what do you want to know about israel? Like that the actuall state of israel was proclaimed in the late 40's, jerusalem is the capital (was formerly tel aviv until they stole that area, most arab countries recognize tel aviv as the capital as they believe israel proclamation of jerusalem as capital to be illegal)... Or how about UN resolution 194, that like Iraq, israel has failed to comply with? And that israel has been to war or in conflict with just about every arab country, syria, lebanon, egypt, iraq, jordan, even saudi arabia. They are building a wall for apartheid... How about the IDF killing children as they leave schools, or missiling "terrorist targets" and killing 100's of civillians.

Yeah the palestinians do it too. They are just as guilty. They bomb innocent people and kill women and children as well. But you really can not pick sides in this (israel vs palestine). Thats my point, and thats exactly what our government has done, and thats exactly why we are hated by arabs the world over, because of our undying fait in israel, even though they seem to enjoy spying on us and helped us come to the conclusion that we must invade iraq.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/eveningnews/main639143.shtml.

Well, "ass," the reason they have been to war with every Arab country is because the day after Israel became a nation, five Arab countries attacked them. Of course, those Arab countries got their asses handed to them. There was no "stealing" of anything. The British owned that whole area prior to it becoming Israel, and it was originally a part of the Ottoman Empire. In fact, Jordan was part of the same parcel of land. There was never a "Palestinian State," (prior to 1988). Furthermore, when Jews began immigrating to Israel during the early 20th century, they were subjected to much violence and some Palestinian leaders went so far as to cooperate with the Nazi's due to their shared hatred of Jews, declaring jihad against the allies and recruiting muslims into the SS. The Nazi's were rather uncomfortable with this due to the fact that these weren't Aryans, but "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," you know. As for res. 194, compliance with the resolution, as I read it, is a two way street. The Palestinians haven't complied with it either.


On an interesting side note. the European Union provides financial support for the Palestinian suicide bombers along with Iran and until very recently Iraq, but I guess that's ok since the U.S. supports Israel. Supporting suicide bombers and taking bribe money from Saddam through the "Oil for Food," program, that's the kind of allies we need in this war.
 
I consider myself much more a member of the E.U than I do a ally of the U.S.

Israel did take Palestinian land, to be truthful. It may have been British owned, formally, but in terms of the people living there, it wasn't. Both sides of the conflict are dreadfully wrong, and it'll be some time before anything is agreed.
 
Seinfeldrules, look at he video. Does he looks like he's on the run ?

It looks to me he has a nice place (executive table, clean clothes, wall looks well painted, good camera) to make his footage, with several educated supporters around him, since the tape was translated into English.
 
For some idiots who need history lessons:
The current midleast east countries were never seperate enetities throughout history, it's the british and french colonzation of the arab world that divided the region into many tiny countries, to keep the arabs weak.

So ofcourse there was no independent Palestinian state.
What happened is, after the british occupation of the region, the british promised the jews that they would give them palestine to make their state in it. jews started migrating from europe and massacring whole villiges to scare people and drive them out of the land. after arabs escape, jweish settelers come in to take thier place.

after they took over a significant part of the land this way, they declared themselves a jewish state over our land.
 
seinfeldrules said:
He really isnt much of a threat when he is on the run all the time.

Are you kidding? Are you really so desperate to laud Bush that you'd play down the continuing freedom of a terrorist leader to inspire and order attacks on innocent people? This guy is ordering attacks every couple of months or so, and you're just going to whistle dixie about it?

And yeah, he's less important than he was back when we SHOULD have caught him: but that's because we gave him and his people the time and breathing room to basically decentralize again and spread out all over the world.

However, that doesnt mean Al Qaeda isnt a threat.

No duh. And it's even worse because we pulled off all our attention and manpower from stopping them and not only gave them a breather, but a huge bonanza in Iraq. Al Qaeda is in better shape now to wreak terror and destruction than it ever was before.
 
Sprafa said:
Seinfeldrules, look at he video. Does he looks like he's on the run ?

It looks to me he has a nice place (executive table, clean clothes, wall looks well painted, good camera) to make his footage, with several educated supporters around him, since the tape was translated into English.

Heck, given that the last times we saw him, his arm was messed up and he looked much much sicker, he apparently gets better healthcare than most Americans can afford.

George Bush '04: Osama has a better standard of living than most Americans!
 
Hapless said:
Well, "ass," the reason they have been to war with every Arab country is because the day after Israel became a nation, five Arab countries attacked them. Of course, those Arab countries got their asses handed to them. There was no "stealing" of anything. The British owned that whole area prior to it becoming Israel, and it was originally a part of the Ottoman Empire. In fact, Jordan was part of the same parcel of land. There was never a "Palestinian State," (prior to 1988). Furthermore, when Jews began immigrating to Israel during the early 20th century, they were subjected to much violence and some Palestinian leaders went so far as to cooperate with the Nazi's due to their shared hatred of Jews, declaring jihad against the allies and recruiting muslims into the SS. The Nazi's were rather uncomfortable with this due to the fact that these weren't Aryans, but "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," you know. As for res. 194, compliance with the resolution, as I read it, is a two way street. The Palestinians haven't complied with it either.


On an interesting side note. the European Union provides financial support for the Palestinian suicide bombers along with Iran and until very recently Iraq, but I guess that's ok since the U.S. supports Israel. Supporting suicide bombers and taking bribe money from Saddam through the "Oil for Food," program, that's the kind of allies we need in this war.

And you just said it (highlighted in bold)... Palestinians were already there.

Yes it was British controlled, it was called the British mandate of Palestine. Before WW1 Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire, after the allies defeated the central powers, Britain was given control over Palestine and promised them and Zionist Jews (if continued support) seperate statehood. etc. etc. At this time it is important to note that the Jewish population in this area was only around %11 of the total population.

"The Balfour declaration and the contradictory assurances which were being given to Palestinians in private at the same time as they were being given to the Israelis—again, an interesting history for us, but not an honourable one," - Jack Straw

It was after the holocaust that Zionist Jews demanded an independant homeland for all the Jewish refugees from Europe.
Also, prior to Ottoman Turk control, that area was known as Palestine. And your semi misleading when you accuse the Palestinians of siding with the nazis, in reality it went both ways. Many more sided with the allied forces. Only the radicals saw the holocaust as a means to push back the Zionist Jewish movement towards Palestine. Research Canaan and the Israelites.
 
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