Out of Body Experiences and Games

Wait a sec.. with this OOBE stuff seeing your body and your "Soul" floating around, if this could be proved, there may be an afterlife! omg!
 
I just tried again...no luck, no vibrations.

I think I was too tense.
 
I don't forget about mine, I focus on every part of my body making sure it's relaxed. Then I sort of forget about it.
If I don't focus on it first, something will just automatically tense up, usually my hands or ankles.
 
My name stands for this type of stuff. I have had Sleep Paralysis and the first stages of OOBE's... like all the time. It always almost happens by me sleeping on my back, arms and hands to my side and everything straight, laid flat. Since I have not delved deep into OOBE's is because I would get numb and would not be able to move my body, while my heart starts to pound(feels like herat attack). Once you snap out of it... you are paralyzed, only able to move your eyes to look around... and couple seconds later you're a-ok, but scared to shits. But, lately I have been sleeping on my tummy, in which these experiences never happen. I'm gonna go to sleep later, fully relaxed and just let go.

Reason being I would go through sleep paralysis, pre-mature stages of OOBE's is because I'm busy and lack of sleep... meaning my body is put through a lot of stress.. then when I lie down to have some rest, my body is in for some relaxation treats and then I just let go. Best way to do it is by doing a lot of stuff in a day and staying up realy late... then go to sleep.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, can anybody explain what this phenomena is... some form of sleep paralysis. I went to sleep and I was dreaming that a girl dressed in all white appeared before me out of a white light and she grabbed my hands and OMMG. I woke up and my hands were in the air as my arms were being lifted up... it felt like somebody was on top of me. All I could do was look around with my eyes, and when I regained control of my body I had to pull my hands and arms down. What type of experience is that?
 
it takes a while to train your mental strength to focus for this type of thing. it's really quite like exercising a muscle, if you have been "ADD'ing" all your life, probably like me you're surrounded by a TV, a radio and browsing with 500 tabs in firefox while having mIRC and other programs up, and suddenly you lie down and expect to have your mind completely blank and in perfect focus?

It usually helps on trying to focus on one simple thing, like your breath or something similar. Try visualising where you want to go, i mean really visualising, like standing on a roof, imagine the feeling of your feet touching the roof, the wind, looking around the area, your clothes, what it'd smell like. the more thorough the better.

Something that helps for me is focusing on my heartbeats. Imagine them going like a radar pulse throughout your body. they'll grow stronger and stronger and often before the "split" it's like the heart races insanely. but i don't think it's the "real" heart because when i've 'aborted' and gotten up in situations like this, my heart beats perfectly normal.

it could be related to energy or something but i don't believe in a heart chakra or anything like that.. but you can never know i suppose.
 
Have you ever met up with other people having OOBEs? Is it easy to meet up with a friend if you both decide to OOBE at the same time?
 
Yeah, once actually, I met a guy who i had been chatting on MSN about it for a long time.

He was much much more experienced than me and we'd decided that he'd try to contact me, and eventually we just ran into eachother one night while i was OOBE in a swedish city. He knew about it afterwards, but it was a pretty unclear experience that ended pretty quickly. It basically consisted of us walking through the city, going on a boat and having a blast moving our hands through the railings of the boat.

I have no idea how easy it is to meet up like that, in my case it was probably 100% thanks to him, but i dont think it's very hard. Maybe a bit of luck would help. I know there's forums where anyone can try meeting up at a particular time and in a famous location, like meeting around the pyramids, but i've never bothered with that myself
 
Another unsucessfull attempt. I was relaxed to the point that I felt like a rock, soon I felt tingling and increased heart rate, but then it all just sort of dropped off, and I couldn't keep my mind from wandering. Meh.
 
^ Been happening to me too D:

I think I need to read more of that .pdf first, I only skimmed the first couple pages :E
 
I refuse to let this thread die until I sucessfully have an OOBE.

Still haven't experienced anything since that first time.
 
Geogaddi said:
I refuse to let this thread die until I sucessfully have an OOBE.

Still haven't experienced anything since that first time.
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Me neither :O
This deserves a sticky...hell, it even deserves a sub-forum of its own.
I knew from long ago what OOBE and LD were but I quickly lost interest in it due to lack of patience...until now, when someone posted about it. I won't give up on this now, I'm making progress every day, last night I even got the vibrations going...somehow. It didn't last for long but I clearly remember the feeling.

OOBE is a gaming nerd's wet dream ;)
 
WTF, how can this OOBE shit be true?

:O :O :O

I could understand if you and a friend were like, smoking Datura (deleriant) and somehow met in another world. That COULD be possible, because perhaps by reading the other persons facial twitches and slight muscle movements, you can subconciosly put yourself into the same state they are, BUT WTF.

OOBE your eyes are closed, your sleeping, and the guy is all the way accross the globe.

WHAT

THE

****
 
sinkoman, i have no idea, i guess it's because there are aspects of our consciousness that havent been scientifically documented yet.
although the guy wasnt across the globe, he was swedish too. (we don't live remotely close though)

geogaddi: just keep at it. rome wasn't built in done day. you seem abit pessimistic and it's understandable, but trust me, if you just keep at it it's going to happen.
thanks to this thread i've gotten the interest back and am trying to get back into it as well. :p
 
I tried it tonight, don't know if it worked well or not. First time I tried it, there was some kind of brightness...then my hands felt heavy and I began hearing voices from a TV show I made up in my mind...its hard to focus on nothing :(. I think I just fell asleep to be honest :p.

Second time, conditions were better. Not much really happened. A few vibrations, then I couldn't feel the arm rests of the chair I was sitting on.

I'm gonna try it again tomorrow.
 
You can't actually go "outside" of your body. Consciousness is an illusion created by the mind. It's so subjective and can apply to any set of data that its not even worth considering that you might be able to "go" someplace.

The out of body experience is a hallucination.
 
theotherguy said:
You can't actually go "outside" of your body. Consciousness is an illusion created by the mind. It's so subjective and can apply to any set of data that its not even worth considering that you might be able to "go" someplace.

The out of body experience is a hallucination.
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Still sounds like a ton of fun :)
 
theotherguy said:
You can't actually go "outside" of your body. Consciousness is an illusion created by the mind. It's so subjective and can apply to any set of data that its not even worth considering that you might be able to "go" someplace.

The out of body experience is a hallucination.
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Source? Proof?
 
common sense? everything you learn in biology?

I can't prove there is not a teapot orbiting the sun, but I can be pretty reasonable that there is not.

Technically you could go outside of your body if you transferred consciousness to a computer program. But then, is the computer program conscious? or is it just a computer program that is running?
 
theotherguy said:
Technically you could go outside of your body if you transferred consciousness to a computer program. But then, is the computer program conscious? or is it just a computer program that is running?
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Depends on whether the consciousness is stored as code or it's raw form.
 
theotherguy said:
You can't actually go "outside" of your body. Consciousness is an illusion created by the mind. It's so subjective and can apply to any set of data that its not even worth considering that you might be able to "go" someplace.

The out of body experience is a hallucination.
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I'd completely agree with you if it wasn't for my experiences. I'm really not a "new age" nut in any form, i'm very very skeptical.

For a really long time while i was doing it, i didn't really believe it was for real until i read that you could do a test with a card, putting the flip side down, then OOBEing to see what it was. this took quite a long time to accomplish but it pretty much blew away my doubts about it once i managed to do this and then verify it. the above experience with the swedish guy was also pretty mindblowing..

By the way, we all believed the earth was flat not so long ago..

I tried it tonight, don't know if it worked well or not. First time I tried it, there was some kind of brightness...then my hands felt heavy and I began hearing voices from a TV show I made up in my mind...its hard to focus on nothing . I think I just fell asleep to be honest .
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You got pretty close though! hearing sounds usually means youve gotten quite close. i have no idea why you hear sounds and stuff, but it probably has to do with your brain sort of rerunning and "defragging" what youve experienced through your day. feeling floaty, or anything. One thing that i personally notice is that your vision changes. First your eyes neural receptors shut down, that's when you see blue/green stuff dissolving, until it becomes almost completely black. Your vision of this 'blackness' sort of really extends and becomes more circular.

It's really important that you lie completely still, even refraining to move your eyes. To OOBE you have to be conscious while your body is asleep, and it has a really simple way of checking, it makes your position uncomfortable and slightly irritating. If you then change position, the body realises you're awake and restarts the whole falling-asleep process. If you lie still however, it'll 'assume' you're asleep and the body will continue into the final stages of falling asleep/OOBEing.

theotherguy said:
Technically you could go outside of your body if you transferred consciousness to a computer program. But then, is the computer program conscious? or is it just a computer program that is running?
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Only the person doing it would know. I'd suppose it's the same thing with OOBE. I can't prove for you that it's real. Unless I'd try visiting your house and describing it or something like that, and, with risk of making this sound like a game or something similar, I'm really not at the "skill level" of doing such things.
Finding out the flipside of the card took several months of attempts.. perhaps if I'd be doing this for a while, or anyone else on this forum would become proficient. But it takes alot of hard work

I agree with your reasoning theotherguy and completely understand where you're coming from. We could question absolutely everything that we know of but it's pretty unpractical in our current situation.

However, occasionally general assumptions are challenged by new ideas, and it's not always the best thing to completely dismiss the new ideas just because the old assumptions are the ones you've always had.

I'd suppose my theory is that part of your consciousness, or an aspect of your consciousness in another, energetic type of dimension, detaches with this process and can deal with information in totally different ways. but i don't think of it like that. it's just something you can do if you set your mind to it, and it's not something that's accomplished by sending money to "spiritual leaders"
 
Honestly, I would have blown this whole thing off if it weren't for the fact that Harij is a respected member of this community and I find it highly unlikely that he's just spewing bullshit.

I've got to say that this whole thing has my interest like nothing in recent memory. I'm not giving up until I'm convinced one way or the other that this is the real deal.

I figure, worst case scenario, I get good at falling asleep.
 
Is there like, a sort of a "basic" lucid dream state that I can get into with an almost-allways-works method?

I just wanna try it once, and get lucid laid or something.
 
ÞIcarus said:
You mean a guide to having an OOBE, or just a detailed list of the process of what leads up to it and afterwards?
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You have a messenger program like AIM or MSN?

I would like to speak with ya about oobeing. I am a lucid dreamer(started lding about 5 months ago) So your claiming the people can OOBE with other people?

I personally always thought OOBE was just a form of a lucid dream/ dream.

let me know if you have a messenger... you can give me some tips on oobeing. Im curious on your methods

OOBEing like Astral Projection?
 
astral projection and OOBE are commonly regarded as the same, just that the term astral projection is balls deep in new age associations..

Is there like, a sort of a "basic" lucid dream state that I can get into with an almost-allways-works method?

I just wanna try it once, and get lucid laid or something.
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Ahahaha.. Start with remembering your dreams first thing in the morning. write them down. this will get you more aware of your dreams and when you dream.
try asking yourself several times every day, "am i dreaming"? try jumping with the intention to float. Trust me, this works. it may feel really silly but if you do this often, eventually youll do it in your dreams, and the difference is that when you jump there you'll most probably float, and voila, a lucid dream.

habits in your waking state turn into habits in your sleep state
 
CrazyHarij said:
astral projection and OOBE are commonly regarded as the same, just that the term astral projection is balls deep in new age associations..



Ahahaha.. Start with remembering your dreams first thing in the morning. write them down. this will get you more aware of your dreams and when you dream.
try asking yourself several times every day, "am i dreaming"? try jumping with the intention to float. Trust me, this works. it may feel really silly but if you do this often, eventually youll do it in your dreams, and the difference is that when you jump there you'll most probably float, and voila, a lucid dream.

habits in your waking state turn into habits in your sleep state
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The way I see you guys, and sites, describe this, it seems like Lucid Dreaming is more of just waiting for it to happen, and then having the ability to realise that it's happening, rather than induce the state.

Oh well, i'll give it a shot.
 
DeusExMachina said:
Does closing your eyes help/hamper the process?
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It definitely helps. I've never tried it with my eyes open because your eyes dry up and it helps to concentrate with your eyes closed, you're in a more meditative state then. i've read about people who've done it with their eyes open and they claim everything sort of melts when you begin to detach

anyway, im off to sleep now. good luck to anyone who's gonna give it a try!
 
Im going to give it a shot tonight.

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"Hl2.net OOBE Real-Life Deathmatch" "Deathmatch" "0ms" "1/9000" "mp_Europe"
 
Pauly said:
Im going to give it a shot tonight.

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"Hl2.net OOBE Real-Life Deathmatch" "Deathmatch" "0ms" "1/9000" "mp_Europe"
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Eye Pee?
 
I think i had an LD about a week ago.

I dreamed i was playing counter strike source on my comp.
big deal, then i thought to myself "is this a dream?"Then i suddenly control and i turned around and looked at the tv... i'm paranoid of screamers...

and this face popped up on the tv and i looked back at my monitor, and i had
"screamers" on my mind, then suddenly a face popped up on my monitor and i
got hit by some huge super-sonic wave and flew through the air... then i woke up...couldn't go back to sleep after that D;

I used to have a white dresser in my room, we took it out about 3 months ago. but in my dream, i noticed that it was still there ;O
 
lol @ pauly.

Wow this thread really took off! Even the people dead set against the reality of the experience have been pretty rational and civil about it.

I noticed the method for inducing an OOBE is very similiar to WILD method of lucid dreaming (http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/inde...howtopic=12621)
Electric/vibrations and all teh others.
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Yes, there are similarities. Most hardcore LDers think of OOBE as a glorified LD, LDing is what they know. On the forum you referenced this would be the popular opinion among the LDers. But if you notice, most of them have never experienced an OOBE. Even in the OOBE section of their forum, there are rarely posts by anyone who actually had an OOBE. It's usually LDers talking about OOBEs. There are fundamental differences between the LD(even WILD) and OOBEs, but most of the differences deal with the differences in lucidity/awareness and control. In a LD, you are closer to a dream, while in OOBE you are not. It would be difficult to say that an OOBE and a LD are completely different in regards to their basic natures, but there are fundamental differences in their experience. You could say that when you are LDing, your driving a mercedes, and while your OOBEing your flying the Starship Enterprise. Both methods of travel are basically the same, a means to get from one place to another, yet in their experience and capabilities they are very different. Your basically doing the same thing when you LD as when you OOBE, but the way you experience it and what you can do with the experience is so drastically different between the two that it's more accurate to think of them as two seperate things.

Does closing your eyes help/hamper the process?
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I've always closed my eyes, I don't know of anyone who keeps them open.
 
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