Out of Body Experiences and Games
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I had my first and only OOBE without even trying, it just sort of 'clicked' and i've wanted to have another ever since ... but i've only come close by doing that. It's the way to do it though. I haven't tried in a long time, it was all history till this Icarus guy started this topic. I might try again tonight, it is kinda cool to go through the "tunnel" anyway, even if theres no OOBE involved. It makes you sweat though!
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Shit man, I tried that last night.
I did the hand energy thing, and started to feel my heart chakra beat like mad, then I started to project my conciousness, it felt like my head was falling really fast, then It felt like I was incredably heavy, and I could all thoose patterns you see when you close your eyes really well, In real detail and they wern't changing moving, I felt my eyes, trying to open really hard, no idea why, then I got a little scared and thought of my body, and I felt myself be flung back into my body, it was only when I opened my eyes did I relise I had left my body becuase it felt so different.
I tried again but the same thing happened, where do I go from there?
I did the hand energy thing, and started to feel my heart chakra beat like mad, then I started to project my conciousness, it felt like my head was falling really fast, then It felt like I was incredably heavy, and I could all thoose patterns you see when you close your eyes really well, In real detail and they wern't changing moving, I felt my eyes, trying to open really hard, no idea why, then I got a little scared and thought of my body, and I felt myself be flung back into my body, it was only when I opened my eyes did I relise I had left my body becuase it felt so different.
I tried again but the same thing happened, where do I go from there?
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I tensed all the parts of my body, and then relaxed them in order, feet to head. Then I imagined a pair of hands rubbing my feets and pullin all the energy up to my legs, then all the energy from there to my abdomen, then all the energy from that to my chest, then the energy from my arms and neck to my chest, then from my head, and then I rubbed it into my 'heart chakra'. Then I just imagined I was in front of myself, and All crazy shit happening that I have never felt before. I also found it strangely erotic, but I don't think that's important.
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I've had several conscious out of body experiences. i worked really hard at it about two years or so ago and eventually i succeeded. eventually the interest in it faded, but it still tends to happen spontaneously like once a month or less. it's fun as hell
ive done a couple of tests with cards and shit, and it's pretty obvious it happens for real.
i dont see what connection it would have with gaming though..
anyway, about doing it, theres alot of weird shit going on when you "detach".. loud noises, tinnitus-like stuff or like huge airplane engines, talking, (the sounds of relatives shouting "no!" is a personal favourite). and really intense vibration sensations. these are so strong you can feel your entire body shaking sometimes
The time it takes to actualy do it seems to vary alot.. for me it took a few months to even get close, then like 6 months were spent getting accustomed to the different sensations (basically trying to get rid of the fear of the whole thing, it was really really hard for me).
the most important tip i can think of, and something that i personally never paid that much attention to even though i should have, is to completely relax, both physically and mentally. its really really important.
ive done a couple of tests with cards and shit, and it's pretty obvious it happens for real.
i dont see what connection it would have with gaming though..
anyway, about doing it, theres alot of weird shit going on when you "detach".. loud noises, tinnitus-like stuff or like huge airplane engines, talking, (the sounds of relatives shouting "no!" is a personal favourite). and really intense vibration sensations. these are so strong you can feel your entire body shaking sometimes
The time it takes to actualy do it seems to vary alot.. for me it took a few months to even get close, then like 6 months were spent getting accustomed to the different sensations (basically trying to get rid of the fear of the whole thing, it was really really hard for me).
the most important tip i can think of, and something that i personally never paid that much attention to even though i should have, is to completely relax, both physically and mentally. its really really important.
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So ÞIcarus, I'm pretty interested in this experience though I'm not sure if I had ever had such a feeling. I really never heard of this until this moment, but you say that to enter this, you go through a "wind tunnel with vibrations" after this part what exactly happens?
I mean, after you make the leap of crossing that fear and entering OOBE, where does it take you next? Do you actually get to visualize where do you want to go and see? Are you able to interact with the environments? Are you able to speak to anyone in anyway? And lastly, can you speak to someone you care for? For example a close friend? These questions are boggling my mind right now. I'd love to try this, but I'll have to start researching these statments. I really want to try it, and hoping that I ccan get through it.
The only fear I have is that some of you make the idea of passing through this "wind tunnel with the vibrations" a very scary feeling. As if you were making the leap of death. I would really want to know how you can get to this point and how can you achieve passing it without the fear of losing yourself.
I mean, after you make the leap of crossing that fear and entering OOBE, where does it take you next? Do you actually get to visualize where do you want to go and see? Are you able to interact with the environments? Are you able to speak to anyone in anyway? And lastly, can you speak to someone you care for? For example a close friend? These questions are boggling my mind right now. I'd love to try this, but I'll have to start researching these statments. I really want to try it, and hoping that I ccan get through it.
The only fear I have is that some of you make the idea of passing through this "wind tunnel with the vibrations" a very scary feeling. As if you were making the leap of death. I would really want to know how you can get to this point and how can you achieve passing it without the fear of losing yourself.
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I tried this once. Well, three times, about two years ago. I only got halfway to the electrocution feeling twice, and one time I think I passed right through that stage and started to feel the wind-tunnel. At that point I also felt my left leg get heavier, as if something was attached to it.
I'll try tonight.
I'll try tonight.
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For anyone who does this a lot, have you noticed any changes? (eating/ sleeping patterns, behavior, way of thinking)
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i'm going to start reading up on this and trying for myself. i've had some weird drug experiences (mostly mushrooms) that lead be to believe this sort of thing is rather real, not to mention some other stuff i won't get into.
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That's really weird, because I haven't had contact with drugs of any kind (not even alchohol) yet I'm extremely attracted to theories like OOBE's and LDing. Strange, I think.
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Ever since I heard of LDing I thought it was cool, why would you need drugs + alchohol to think it's cool? I've never touched either..
EDIT: Holy crap, I just tried it the way Solaris explained it, I was sitting in my computer chair when I tried it, I tensed up the parts of my body, imagined hands rubbing my feet, and then I felt kind of wierd, a little shaking of the hands, and then for some reason I laughed and it got all f***ed up, but when I opened my eyes everything was all distorted, like when you look a something, then look away and the image of the thing you just looked at is still there + the thing your looking at, except really fast.. It was wierd, but it intrigues me.
EDIT: Holy crap, I just tried it the way Solaris explained it, I was sitting in my computer chair when I tried it, I tensed up the parts of my body, imagined hands rubbing my feet, and then I felt kind of wierd, a little shaking of the hands, and then for some reason I laughed and it got all f***ed up, but when I opened my eyes everything was all distorted, like when you look a something, then look away and the image of the thing you just looked at is still there + the thing your looking at, except really fast.. It was wierd, but it intrigues me.
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I've had lucid dreams before. I'm normally a skeptic, but you seem to know what you're talking about, and this is really fascinating me... I think I'll try it 
Wow, I'm excited to see so many of you are actually putting some effort into investigating the phenomenon. This level of participation wasn't expected at all!:cheers:
@ Solaris - Keep working at it. If you had that experience after your first night of trying, then your very fortunate and moving along at a pace most people would die for. Your not doing anything wrong, it's just a matter of becoming familiar with the process and how to go with it. Your fear ended the process, and when you learn to let go of that fear and let the process happen, you will be successful. You did ****ing well, I'm impressed. I never really tried the whole Bruce energy raising, "mental hands" system.
So, where do you find yourself immediately after the onset of an OOBE? If you are experienced or for another reason have some amount of control over the situation, you will end up in an environment that very closely resembles your physical environment. You may see your physical body sitting in the chair or laying down. You will see your room as it should be. This isn't truely a physical environment for you, however, and it is susceptible to thoughts. The amount of control you have over the experience is directly proportional to the degree of control you have over your thoughts. Many people see discrepancies, like old funriture they threw out years ago, or a deceased pet they once owned. It is the thought of what you expect to see, or want to see, that manifests as the discrepancy. The better control you have of your thoughts and desires, the more "true" the environment.
But the above isn't a rule. You can very well find yourself in a completely alien environment, completely fictional(or not, who knows?) and foreign to you. It can be a world created unconsciously by your own mind, or created by someone/something else and you are just there to experience it. Like a "dreamscape", only you are not dreaming(in a strict sense). Think of it as walking, while awake, into a dream and retaining the lucidity of the waking mind.
Yes. If you want to see the great pyramids of Giza, for example, simply desiring it and wanting it is usually enough to trigger the experience and you will find yourself in the place you wanted to be. Is it real or is it created by the mind, though? If you want to see the real pyramids, it is safer not to just want to see them, but to actually move your consciousness to the place you want to go. Otherwise you may unintentionally create, with your own mind, an environment you intended to actually "travel" to. Does that make sense.
In other words, if I induce an OOBE and want to see the pyramids at Giza, instead of "wishing" to be there, I would simply fly up above the Earth, rotate around to where Giza is, and begin to descend while guiding myself there as accurately as possible. You don't have any instruments with you, so wether you hit your target or not depends on how good you are with geography =) but atleast you know you are seeing the real place, and not a mental creation of it. There is a fair amount of intuition involved, and you usually hit your mark if you learn to listen to that intuition.
Yes and no. In truth, the environment is completely interactive in every way, even to the point that you can change it completely in any way just by wanting to. But, say your environment is your room where you induced the OOBE, and your body is laying on the bed. Say you pick up a cup on your nightstand and put it on the dresser. You just interacted with the environment, but did you actually move the actual cup? When you "re-integrate" with your body you will most likely find the cup still in it's original position. Though some people have claimed to be able to do it, you really can't move physical stuff around by moving them while OOBE. I won't say it's impossible, but highly highly unlikely. People who understand this and have a greater control over their expectations will find themselves passing through "physical" objects, like floating through walls poltergiest style.
But the environment itself is completely interactive.
The answer is similar to the above. You can carry on whole conversations for seemingly hours while OOBE. But, say you OOBE into your friends room and find him sitting at a desk. You begin talking to him and he talks to you. Then you come out of it and ask him the next day if he saw you last night. He most likely wont have any memeory of it. Again, some people claim to be able to do this, and I wont say it's not possible, but you will have a very hard time talking to a person while OOBE that is not, like you, OOBE. More than likely you were just talking to your own mental creation of your friend.
OOBErs can talk to other OOBErs that they meet, and ofcourse you will both reatin memory of the experience.
Many people see "dead relatives" while OOBE and talk to them. And if this is what you hope to do, it is almost a garuntee you will run into your dead relatives. Are they really them or just your mental creation of them, though? Personally, I have seen my dead grandfather while OOBE, and I didn't trust the illusion. Again, most likely, it is your own thoughts and desire interfering with the experience.
The only way to get past it is to learn to trust the experience. Your not going to die, it wont hurt you. It's like a child on an airplane. The lound sounds of the engine, the bumbpy sensation of landing, all can be a frightening experience. The adult, however, who understands that it's a tried and true concept of flight and trusts the mechanics, is unafraid, even though he hears and feels the same thing. It's a matter of trusting the experience. There is no way to get past the fear, other than just letting go of it.
@ Solaris - Keep working at it. If you had that experience after your first night of trying, then your very fortunate and moving along at a pace most people would die for. Your not doing anything wrong, it's just a matter of becoming familiar with the process and how to go with it. Your fear ended the process, and when you learn to let go of that fear and let the process happen, you will be successful. You did ****ing well, I'm impressed. I never really tried the whole Bruce energy raising, "mental hands" system.
So, where do you find yourself immediately after the onset of an OOBE? If you are experienced or for another reason have some amount of control over the situation, you will end up in an environment that very closely resembles your physical environment. You may see your physical body sitting in the chair or laying down. You will see your room as it should be. This isn't truely a physical environment for you, however, and it is susceptible to thoughts. The amount of control you have over the experience is directly proportional to the degree of control you have over your thoughts. Many people see discrepancies, like old funriture they threw out years ago, or a deceased pet they once owned. It is the thought of what you expect to see, or want to see, that manifests as the discrepancy. The better control you have of your thoughts and desires, the more "true" the environment.
But the above isn't a rule. You can very well find yourself in a completely alien environment, completely fictional(or not, who knows?) and foreign to you. It can be a world created unconsciously by your own mind, or created by someone/something else and you are just there to experience it. Like a "dreamscape", only you are not dreaming(in a strict sense). Think of it as walking, while awake, into a dream and retaining the lucidity of the waking mind.
Yes. If you want to see the great pyramids of Giza, for example, simply desiring it and wanting it is usually enough to trigger the experience and you will find yourself in the place you wanted to be. Is it real or is it created by the mind, though? If you want to see the real pyramids, it is safer not to just want to see them, but to actually move your consciousness to the place you want to go. Otherwise you may unintentionally create, with your own mind, an environment you intended to actually "travel" to. Does that make sense.
In other words, if I induce an OOBE and want to see the pyramids at Giza, instead of "wishing" to be there, I would simply fly up above the Earth, rotate around to where Giza is, and begin to descend while guiding myself there as accurately as possible. You don't have any instruments with you, so wether you hit your target or not depends on how good you are with geography =) but atleast you know you are seeing the real place, and not a mental creation of it. There is a fair amount of intuition involved, and you usually hit your mark if you learn to listen to that intuition.
Yes and no. In truth, the environment is completely interactive in every way, even to the point that you can change it completely in any way just by wanting to. But, say your environment is your room where you induced the OOBE, and your body is laying on the bed. Say you pick up a cup on your nightstand and put it on the dresser. You just interacted with the environment, but did you actually move the actual cup? When you "re-integrate" with your body you will most likely find the cup still in it's original position. Though some people have claimed to be able to do it, you really can't move physical stuff around by moving them while OOBE. I won't say it's impossible, but highly highly unlikely. People who understand this and have a greater control over their expectations will find themselves passing through "physical" objects, like floating through walls poltergiest style.
But the environment itself is completely interactive.
The answer is similar to the above. You can carry on whole conversations for seemingly hours while OOBE. But, say you OOBE into your friends room and find him sitting at a desk. You begin talking to him and he talks to you. Then you come out of it and ask him the next day if he saw you last night. He most likely wont have any memeory of it. Again, some people claim to be able to do this, and I wont say it's not possible, but you will have a very hard time talking to a person while OOBE that is not, like you, OOBE. More than likely you were just talking to your own mental creation of your friend.
OOBErs can talk to other OOBErs that they meet, and ofcourse you will both reatin memory of the experience.
Many people see "dead relatives" while OOBE and talk to them. And if this is what you hope to do, it is almost a garuntee you will run into your dead relatives. Are they really them or just your mental creation of them, though? Personally, I have seen my dead grandfather while OOBE, and I didn't trust the illusion. Again, most likely, it is your own thoughts and desire interfering with the experience.
The only way to get past it is to learn to trust the experience. Your not going to die, it wont hurt you. It's like a child on an airplane. The lound sounds of the engine, the bumbpy sensation of landing, all can be a frightening experience. The adult, however, who understands that it's a tried and true concept of flight and trusts the mechanics, is unafraid, even though he hears and feels the same thing. It's a matter of trusting the experience. There is no way to get past the fear, other than just letting go of it.
It's just a technique. The point is to relax your body completely, I mean COMPLETELY. Some do this very systematically, in order to be thorough. They will tense up one muscle group and hold it for a couple of seconds, then let it go and "relax" it. Tensing it helps draw attention to that part of your body, brings your mind into focus, so that you can work on mentally causing that region to relax completely after letting go of the tension. And for some reason the muscle seems more relaxed after tensing it and letting go, like stretching.
Move from one muscle group to another, systematically relaxing every muscle in the body.
But if you find you have a hard time tensing a specific muscle group of whatever, don't worry about it too much. Don't get so caught up in the technique that it distracts you from the goal. Just be calm and let your body fall deeper and deeper into relaxation. Complete relaxation of the body is the first step. After the body, work on the mind.
Why a nuisance? Man, I ****ing love every one of my LDs. They are a blast. Why don't you enjoy them? Spontaneous LDs are one of the highlights of learning to OOBE. Not a sign of unbalance, IMHO. Can you describe some of your LDs and why they bother you?
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They happen without warning and I mistake them for reality. Even in sleeping dreams I cannot tell I am dreaming and mistake it for reality. Even ludicrous things that cannot exist.
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I got a question.. Once I start, I feel my chest kind of "Rising" above my body (I think it's just me putting my chest up, though...) by concentrating really hard for all "energy" or whatever to my chest, but I don't feel the shaking or see anything, now for the question - Once things start happening I laugh.. wtf? There is NOTHING funny in the room, I am not laughing at all before I try it, the second I concentrate I start laughing, like someones filling the room with laughy gas, are there people who laugh, or am I wierd, and if there are people, how to stop it?
And when I say "laugh" I mean really laughing, like side-splittingly laughing.
And when I say "laugh" I mean really laughing, like side-splittingly laughing.
I tried this for the third time just now, but couldn't get there :/ I had moments where I felt "distanced" somewhat from most of my body. It was weird, it felt like the 'energy' or my consiousness or whatever, felt like it was around my head. The first time I tried this it felt a bit further away but then I realised that it had and it kinda 'zoomed out' back to my body =( I guess I just need more practice at this.
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Ennui, what I meant was that I have some - rather distant now I'm afraid - friends who became interested in LDing and etc. Purely because they got into drugs, and wanted to see a similar effect without them. .
I tried The tensing muscle thing then hands last night in bed (I was lying down, I was too tired to want to get past the shaking), but as I was dragging the energy up through my legs (kind of like how if a tube has water in it, you can strangle the tube and pull the water through it), I was doing one leg at a time, and attached the energy to the point just below the belly button so I could do the other leg.
Then I took the belly button point and moved it up the other points (Solar plexis to heart), and then did my arms, attaching the energy to the throat point while I did the other arm etc.
Basically when I thought I got all the energy to my heart, it didn't start pulsating very fast, but I ignored that point and just thought about myself about a meter above my body lying down (to keep the orientation the same). All I could feel was a pressure on my pelvic area, and everything kept going cold (like getting shivers, but all over my body kind of wavy). Nothing happened after that no matter how much I concentrated.
What do you think I'm doing wrong?
.I tried The tensing muscle thing then hands last night in bed (I was lying down, I was too tired to want to get past the shaking), but as I was dragging the energy up through my legs (kind of like how if a tube has water in it, you can strangle the tube and pull the water through it), I was doing one leg at a time, and attached the energy to the point just below the belly button so I could do the other leg.
Then I took the belly button point and moved it up the other points (Solar plexis to heart), and then did my arms, attaching the energy to the throat point while I did the other arm etc.
Basically when I thought I got all the energy to my heart, it didn't start pulsating very fast, but I ignored that point and just thought about myself about a meter above my body lying down (to keep the orientation the same). All I could feel was a pressure on my pelvic area, and everything kept going cold (like getting shivers, but all over my body kind of wavy). Nothing happened after that no matter how much I concentrated.
What do you think I'm doing wrong?
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I am going to stop listening to you now.
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I don't believe this works.
And you can't convince me.
So there.
And you can't convince me.
So there.
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Heh, tried this last night.
I got as far as relaxing my body completely, and then my head started to feel light. Next I my eyes focused themselves on the inside of my eyelids, and that's when I started to feel warm and sort of felt pins & needles all over my body. I would of kept going but my eyelids wouldn't stay still, like they were fluttering around trying to open, and it distracted me out of whatever I was doing.
After a few minutes I tried again, and couldn't really get anywhere, so I just decided to leave it and go to sleep.
I'll try again, but I don't really know where to go after feeling the 'vibrations,' I'll try different stuff, and hope I get to the point where I can walk around :E
Edit: I forget to mention that after I went to sleep, I dreamt like crazy and remembered all of them! Which hasn't happened in a while.
I got as far as relaxing my body completely, and then my head started to feel light. Next I my eyes focused themselves on the inside of my eyelids, and that's when I started to feel warm and sort of felt pins & needles all over my body. I would of kept going but my eyelids wouldn't stay still, like they were fluttering around trying to open, and it distracted me out of whatever I was doing.
After a few minutes I tried again, and couldn't really get anywhere, so I just decided to leave it and go to sleep.
I'll try again, but I don't really know where to go after feeling the 'vibrations,' I'll try different stuff, and hope I get to the point where I can walk around :E
Edit: I forget to mention that after I went to sleep, I dreamt like crazy and remembered all of them! Which hasn't happened in a while.
What to do once you enter the "vibrational state" -
When you enter the state at which you feel the vibrations set in, pay attention to where they are coming from and where they are moving to. Did it start in your stomache, did it start in your head, is it growing or remaining constant? Some OOBErs claim that becoming proficient in OOBEs lies in the ability to control the vibrational state. Don't start analyzing them to the point that you become distracted by them, just be aware of them. See if you can control them, "will" them to move or expand to larger portions of the body. See if you can control the direction, "move" them around. In general, just become familiar with the state. If your vibrations are regional, try expanding them to your entire body. Some OOBErs claim that this is a must, and vibrations only in a certain part of the body will leave you with only "partial seperation". I have found that I am able to OOBE if I have vibrations in my head or abdomen region with no difficulties, whatever works for you.
Once vibrations set in, "exit" is possible and right around the corner. Many people get the vibrations and then they go away, and thinking they have failed they move or roll over and notice they are "disconnected" from their body! Try to "will" your arm to move up. In other words, move your arm up mentally(not physically). If you are at the vibrational state and do this correctly, you will notice your arm is moving up - but it isn't your physical arm at all. At this point you can try lifting your head, or rolling over in bed. Or just will yourself to float upwards. All that is required during the vibrational state is an intense focus of moving from your current position without actually moving your body.
I think most of you will find that after beginning training you will begin to see other benefits, like better dream recall, more vivid dreams, spontaneous LDs. I don't really know why this happens, but it is common.
When you enter the state at which you feel the vibrations set in, pay attention to where they are coming from and where they are moving to. Did it start in your stomache, did it start in your head, is it growing or remaining constant? Some OOBErs claim that becoming proficient in OOBEs lies in the ability to control the vibrational state. Don't start analyzing them to the point that you become distracted by them, just be aware of them. See if you can control them, "will" them to move or expand to larger portions of the body. See if you can control the direction, "move" them around. In general, just become familiar with the state. If your vibrations are regional, try expanding them to your entire body. Some OOBErs claim that this is a must, and vibrations only in a certain part of the body will leave you with only "partial seperation". I have found that I am able to OOBE if I have vibrations in my head or abdomen region with no difficulties, whatever works for you.
Once vibrations set in, "exit" is possible and right around the corner. Many people get the vibrations and then they go away, and thinking they have failed they move or roll over and notice they are "disconnected" from their body! Try to "will" your arm to move up. In other words, move your arm up mentally(not physically). If you are at the vibrational state and do this correctly, you will notice your arm is moving up - but it isn't your physical arm at all. At this point you can try lifting your head, or rolling over in bed. Or just will yourself to float upwards. All that is required during the vibrational state is an intense focus of moving from your current position without actually moving your body.
I think most of you will find that after beginning training you will begin to see other benefits, like better dream recall, more vivid dreams, spontaneous LDs. I don't really know why this happens, but it is common.
