Parents sue school board over teaching Intelligent Design

[Beerdude26]

C++ is better. God coded the universe in C++.

Liez!!!!111

God probably did it in BASIC. Only Angry Lawyer can code something so great in 7 days. (Hell, he's doing months over Zombie Master, imagine how much that will rock )

 

[The Monkey]

Our archbishop is a socialist

Although he's leaving soon, and I'll eat my hat if the next one isn't a woman.

 

[Tr0n]

Well I've been through many cycles of my own. Hey I'm a scorpio...it's in my nature.

But like I was saying I've been through many spirtual up bringings and different religious beliefs...so you know I can say this for all of us....








.....I own. Wasn't the answer you was expecting?

 

[CptStern]

Most Christians I've met are tolerant. It seems that tolerant Christians, because they are tolerant, don't speak out that much. But we do exist.

ya but you're a brit, you guys are notoriously reasonable .. you dont count

I didnt realize how intolerant christianity is till I started studying some of the more ...errr extreme christian groups in the US

C++ is better. God coded the universe in C++.

-Angry Lawyer

C++ is a tool of the devil ..you can tell cuz there's numbers in C++ and numbers are evil

 

[KoreBolteR]

i did realise there are much more chrisitans in the US than in the UK (percentage)...

btw stern i had this canadian guy in my building today giving my class a talk, that must be the accent you have.. cool.

wait... your from quebec, i forgot about that, you have a french accent then...?

 

[jabberwock95]

I disagree with schools teaching evolution because I dont like other people shoving their beliefs down my throat.

Seriously, there is no way to teach 'absolute fact' in science classes. For quite a lot of things we have to go with the widely accepted theories.

 

[Tr0n]

I seem to get wiser the longer I don't sleep. :O

 

[southernman17]

"That's for another post, bliink may be watching."
I got a warning today and I'd rather not be banned. SO we'll discuss this in another post if you want to.

"I only know you from what you post ...and from where I sit you look like you're intolerant of muslims ..and it is revelant because that fear of muslims is taught in religion ..any student of christian history can tell you that"

It had to do with the insurgency rather than they were Muslim. If they were christain, I'd still would of posted the same things.

"be that as it may ...you're intolerance stems from your adherence to religious dogma. In other words you practice a religion that is intolerant therefore if you fully believe in your religion then you by default share that intolerance"

I practice Catholicism. I disagree with the Church on many of its points. I do not blindly follow whatever the Church has to say. I know the Church has been wrong many times before but I still believe in the essential dogma concerning faith (Jesus was the Son of God, the Virgin Mary, etc..). I don't understand why everyone else is allowed to have their beliefs on this forum except me stern.

 

[Absinthe]

I disagree with schools teaching evolution because I dont like other people shoving their beliefs down my throat.

Except evolution isn't a belief. It's a scientific fact that's only disputed by denialists and those who have no idea what they're talking about.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Numbers are the buildding blocks of the universe. Ask any physicist. God loves numbers.
People can turn anything into intolerance, but that doesn't make the item they're turning inherently intolerant. Science was twisted by the Nazis to argue the Jews as a lesser race. Doesn't mean the Nazi's were right. The KKK use Christianity to justify killing black people. They're not right.
Jesus said "Love Thy Neighbour" and stuff like that. He's the most tolerant guy ever.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[The Monkey]

Eh Stern, I took a go to Protest Warrioir, and I can see you're posting every once in a while. Keep up the good work

 

[Tr0n]

Well ghandi...is up there with him..maybe even has him beat.

 

[Absinthe]

Jesus Christ wasn't the perfect role model or tolerant guy actually... But such a discussion is for another time and place. :|

 

[CptStern]

i did realise there are much more chrisitans in the US than in the UK (percentage)...

btw stern i had this canadian guy in my building today giving my class a talk, that must be the accent you have.. cool.

wait... your from quebec, i forgot about that, you have a french accent then...?

no I'm not french canadian ...I really diont have an accent as I grew up in a big city ...I speak like the guys on network tv: no accent

but ya there's all kinds of different accents in canada: maritimes, west coast, quebecois etc

 

[southernman17]

Every religion has a radical element. Don't single Christianity out.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Jesus Christ wasn't the perfect role model or tolerant guy actually... But such a discussion is for another time and place. :|

Never said he was perfect, but in a time when stoning each other and being general assholes to one another, he was pretty METAL!!!

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Tr0n]

Jesus is ****ing metal!

 

[CptStern]

Eh Stern, I took a go to Protest Warrioir, and I can see you're posting every once in a while. Keep up the good work

it was like a nightmare ..I became angrier, looked for right wing ideology in everything I saw ..I even started seperating people based on whether they're right wing or left wing ...it's just not me

that place is a cesspool of humanity and should be avoided at all costs :E

 

[jabberwock95]

Except evolution isn't a belief. It's a scientific fact that's only disputed by denialists and those who have no idea what they're talking about.

Evolution is still a theory. There is no proof that different species evolved from each other, it is just a widely believed theory.

Of course, I am not referring to the small changes in organisms due to natural selection that could be termed as evolution, I am using the broader sense of the word.

 

[Gray Fox]

Evolution is still a theory. There is no proof that different species evolved from each other, it is just a widely believed theory.

Of course, I am not referring to the small changes in organisms due to natural selection that could be termed as evolution, I am using the broader sense of the word.

Warning: Gravity is also "Only a theory"

 

[CptStern]

"That's for another post, bliink may be watching."
I got a warning today and I'd rather not be banned. SO we'll discuss this in another post if you want to.

"I only know you from what you post ...and from where I sit you look like you're intolerant of muslims ..and it is revelant because that fear of muslims is taught in religion ..any student of christian history can tell you that"

It had to do with the insurgency rather than they were Muslim. If they were christain, I'd still would of posted the same things.

"be that as it may ...you're intolerance stems from your adherence to religious dogma. In other words you practice a religion that is intolerant therefore if you fully believe in your religion then you by default share that intolerance"

I practice Catholicism. I disagree with the Church on many of its points. I do not blindly follow whatever the Church has to say. I know the Church has been wrong many times before but I still believe in the essential dogma concerning faith (Jesus was the Son of God, the Virgin Mary, etc..). I don't understand why everyone else is allowed to have their beliefs on this forum except me stern.

I never stated you are not entitled to your beliefs ...just dont be surprised if someone calls you to defend them

 

[Tr0n]

Warning: Gravity is also "Only a theory"

Well damn...don't we just learn something new everyday?

 

[Absinthe]

Warning: Gravity is also "Only a theory"

The words from my mouth, you took.

 

[southernman17]

All the time though. Constantly haranguing me on my position, calling me intolerant, anti-muslim and saying my religion was intolerant? Not only that but I even said I agreed with you and you still kept arguing even though we shared pretty much the same opinion.

 

[Beerdude26]

So that Munro lieks to wear frilly lingerie is a theory aswell? :O

 

[Tr0n]

So that Munro lieks to wear frilly lingerie is a theory aswell? :O

More like a joke, but you can call it a theory.

 

[CptStern]

All the time though. Constantly haranguing me on my position, calling me intolerant, anti-muslim and saying my religion was intolerant? Not only that but I even said I agreed with you and you still kept arguing even though we shared pretty much the same opinion.

am I supposed to keep my mouth shut? I didnt call you intolerant. I said that by default if you believe in the stated position of the church on such things as same-sex marriage, abortion then you are intolerant by default

and we most certainly dont agree on most things ..I for one never supported the war in iraq, in fact I didnt support it during desert storm either. I also believe in same sex marriage, am pro-choice and believe everyone is created equal despite differences in colour, creed, gender or ideological beliefs

 

[jabberwock95]

Yup, gravity is only a theory (at least the part about the gravitons). So is the current model of the atom. In fact, a lot of stuff in science is only a theory.

That is basically the point I was making. A lot of people seem to think evolution is the proven way humans developed, and ID or creationists are 'dangerous fanatics' whose faith blinds them to the truth.

Evolution is a great theory, and it is certainly the most plausible theory we have at the moment, as such it is the one that should be focused on in schools. But it would be nice if the schools explained that it is 'only a theory'.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

...believe everyone is created equal despite differences in colour, creed, gender or ideological beliefs

Me too. Just because I believe in Christanity (some aspects of it) doesn't mean I'm better than a Muslim, or a Jew, or someone who doesn't believe.

To quote Bon Jovi, who's also Christian, but not a fundamentalist Christian:

When everybody's in and you're left out
And you feel you're drowning in the shadow of a doubt
Everyone's a miracle in their own way
Just listen to yourself, not what other people say

 

[CptStern]

Me too. Just because I believe in Christanity (some aspects of it) doesn't mean I'm better than a Muslim, or a Jew, or someone who doesn't believe.

To quote Bon Jovi, who's also Christian, but not a fundamentalist Christian:

I cant believe you found a way of sneaking Bon Jovi into a discussion about creationism

 

[Angry Lawyer]

I cant believe you found a way of sneaking Bon Jovi into a discussion about creationism

There's a Jovi quote for every feeling, and every moment of the day.
Jon Bon Jovi voted for Kerry, too, so you know he's a good guy, and thinks that Bush is a knobhead. Hell, on the description of "Have A Nice Day", the guys at Bon Jovi said that one of the driving forces for the angst and defiance in the songs is when Bush got elected.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[southernman17]

"well let's see, your religion has taught you how to be intolerant (muslims, abortion, same sex marriage)"


"I only know you from what you post ...and from where I sit you look like you're intolerant of muslims ..and it is revelant because that fear of muslims is taught in religion ..any student of christian history can tell you that"

"you're intolerance stems from your adherence to religious dogma. In other words you practice a religion that is intolerant therefore if you fully believe in your religion then you by default share that intolerance"

For the record, I never supported the Iraq War either

"I do not nor ever did. It is a horrible war that does nothing but drain America of money and resources that can be allocated elsewhere for better purposes. It does not better America economically nor does it increase homeland security.

I also do not like President Bush even though I am a conservative. Bush does not embody true conservative values. " You probably assumed that I was gung-ho about the whole Iraq thing just because I stated I was conservative.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

I choose not to have a political standpoint, that way, people don't make assumptions as to who I am.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[CptStern]

"well let's see, your religion has taught you how to be intolerant (muslims, abortion, same sex marriage)"


"I only know you from what you post ...and from where I sit you look like you're intolerant of muslims ..and it is revelant because that fear of muslims is taught in religion ..any student of christian history can tell you that"

"you're intolerance stems from your adherence to religious dogma. In other words you practice a religion that is intolerant therefore if you fully believe in your religion then you by default share that intolerance"

you're not getting my point about intolerance because of religious beliefs ...let me try again ...because your religion discriminates against gays then by default if you subscribe to that ideology then you yourself are intolerant. Oh and muslim thing ..well your contributions in that torture thread speaks for itself

For the record, I never supported the Iraq War either

"I do not nor ever did. It is a horrible war that does nothing but drain America of money and resources that can be allocated elsewhere for better purposes. It does not better America economically nor does it increase homeland security.
I also do not like President Bush even though I am a conservative. Bush does not embody true conservative values. " You probably assumed that I was gung-ho about the whole Iraq thing just because I stated I was conservative.

yet you support bush, if you truely were against the war, you'd demand that bush be impeached for lying to the american people ..if bush was judged by the same standards as Clinton he'd be rotting in a cell by now

 

[Angry Lawyer]

God loves Stern even though Stern doesn't believe, because Stern lays the smackdown on people who justify hate using His name.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Beerdude26]

Amen.

Tea, anyone?

 

[southernman17]

Where did I say I support Bush? Being conservative does not mean that you HAVE to support Bush. Bush is not a very good president but that doesn't mean we should impeach him. Did we impeach Kennedy, LBJ or Nixon for 'Nam? No.

" I tell you this Bush is not good at all (I secretly hoped that Kerry would've won watching the election returns on TV)." I never stated any support for President Bush.

 

[CptStern]

God loves Stern even though Stern doesn't believe, because Stern lays the smackdown on people who justify hate using His name.

-Angry Lawyer

ummm yes?

 

[CptStern]

Where did I say I support Bush? Being conservative does not mean that you HAVE to support Bush. Bush is not a very good president but that doesn't mean we should impeach him. Did we impeach Kennedy, LBJ or Nixon for 'Nam? No.

" I tell you this Bush is not good at all (I secretly hoped that Kerry would've won watching the election returns on TV)." I never stated any support for President Bush.

well then my mistake ...but yes Bush should be impeached. His lies led to the deaths of 2000 americans and more than 40,000 iraqis ..he should be fed to the wolves ..along with his entire cabinet/party

 

[clarky003]

commenting on the origional post.

To be honest, Creationism is only really dismissed because it has no solid concrete 'physical evidence' for being the driving force behind what we know as reality, but I find if you look deeply enough you can see there is some sort of program like structure to the universe, take a plant for example it evolved from basic forms of life... that life was created somehow, a blueprint construct of somekind.

Under evolution the answer for that would be 'it just is what it is' which isnt very scientific atall. So at the very basis for everything evolution breaks down.. Creationisim often in religion assumes a 'God' personified often as the creator, but that is terribly nieve if we are to consider creationisim, what if the universe is intelligent within itself, not as a 'human' but as a living thing. E.g the most powerful computer program Evar!.