Peak oil

I read something about this a year ago, when it said "In 6 months, we will hit Peak oil, and shit is going to go downhill.."

now it's in 2020? I think they are like the End Timers...always trying to scare people and when the time passes..the up the time limit.

Personally, if it does end up comming to us running out of Oil..then that would FORCE us to find a different resource to use. I think it could be a good thing for the future of humanity to run out of Oil..in a sense.
 
Yea I read this crap in early 2005 and they were acting like peak oil was gonna happen in like a week...now it's almost 2007.
 
Peak Oil? Is that like Teak Oil?

I think oil is a bad thing. We're killin' the planet, maaan.

There's plenty of alternatives. If it takes a catastrophy in the current generation to make us get things straight, then so be it. I'm willing to die in the interest of saving the planet and keeping it habitable for future generations.
 
What? Land of the Potato people?
You in Idaho or something?
 
Zeus said:
Yea I read this crap in early 2005 and they were acting like peak oil was gonna happen in like a week...now it's almost 2007.
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Site was written mostly in 2005, predicted sometime before 2010, and it seems to be holding true.


Did any of you actually read the site and click the links?
 
DEATHMASTER said:
Hydrogen ftw, it's also a helluva lot more plentiful
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Takes energy to produce as it doesn't occur naturally by itself in nature. It has to be separated from water. Again, read the site.

And for those who think this is just nutjob end of the world people spouting off, scroll down to:
"How Do I Know This Isn't Just Fear- Mongering by Loony-Environmentalists?"
 
Can this forum stay on topic for 2 damn seconds?

Mod, could you please move this to the politics forum where there's a chance of serious discussion?
 
The world is not going to implode just because of lack of oil.

Fact of the matter is... things will get bad, things will get real bad possibly. Trade will halt, etc etc etc... until scientists develop a new source to power everything like before. It'll spread fast, and things will get rolling again.

That is, if they don't figure out a concrete solution beforehand.

All this doomsday crap about lack of oil is silly. The world will just be hard pressed to find other alternatives while lacking in abundant oil, and have to deal with lack of trade, lack of automobiles, lack of airplanes, etc. We'll get through it eventually if that ever happens.
 
Raziaar said:
The world is not going to implode just because of lack of oil.

Fact of the matter is... things will get bad, things will get real bad possibly. Trade will halt, etc etc etc... until scientists develop a new source to power everything like before. It'll spread fast, and things will get rolling again.

That is, if they don't figure out a concrete solution beforehand.

All this doomsday crap about lack of oil is silly. The world will just be hard pressed to find other alternatives while lacking in abundant oil, and have to deal with lack of trade, lack of automobiles, lack of airplanes, etc. We'll get through it eventually if that ever happens.
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You realize everything in our society depends on oil, right? You think food magically grows and then propels itself to the supermarket?

Our society's foundation is oil, period. There can be no argument here.

And lack of trade, you know what that means, right? Lack of trade = lack of economy

Humanity will survive, yes, modern civilization will not.
 
Raziaar said:
The world is not going to implode just because of lack of oil.

Fact of the matter is... things will get bad, things will get real bad possibly. Trade will halt, etc etc etc... until scientists develop a new source to power everything like before. It'll spread fast, and things will get rolling again.

That is, if they don't figure out a concrete solution beforehand.

All this doomsday crap about lack of oil is silly. The world will just be hard pressed to find other alternatives while lacking in abundant oil, and have to deal with lack of trade, lack of automobiles, lack of airplanes, etc. We'll get through it eventually if that ever happens.
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You know that plastic is derived from oil.

No oil = no computers.

IMPLOSION
 
MiccyNarc said:
You realize everything in our society depends on oil, right? You think food magically grows and then propels itself to the supermarket?

Our society's foundation is oil, period. There can be no argument here.

And lack of trade, you know what that means, right? Lack of trade = lack of economy

Humanity will survive, yes, modern civilization will not.
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Sure it will.

And yes I am aware oil fuels many things today, including plastics which dominate our landscape However, what i'm getting at, is that people are not stupid enough to just let their civilization fall so rapidly. If it is needed for food to be harvested, then people will step up and do it manually if their machines are no longer up to the task. Sure there might be alot of starvation, but those who make an effort are going to be able to survive by not clinging so tightly to the technologies they lost.

And the technologies will not be lost for good, by any means. Oil will not completely dissapear, it will just become very scarce. It will likely be confiscated by the military and the government, and utilized if needed to fuel developments for new sources of power and ways to bring their country back to its feet. I'm mostly speaking of advanced western countries here, and some eastern ones too.

It's not going to be a case of... oops, oil gone, everybody is going to lay back and let themselves starve to death... civilization is crumbling and we're suddenly back to the middle ages. No, not at all. All the infrastructure will still be there, whatever is not destroyed in riots and the sort. Very intelligent people will be able to harness new energies even faster as their is increasing pressure and demand for it. It was done in the past, it can be done now... great minds come together to accomplish great things. And in time they will be able to utilize those energies to get previous infrastructure running again.


This will all happen GRADUALLY, too... and things will not just suddenly halt one day and fall into chaos, with planes falling out of the sky cause they have run out of gas. Things will start to destabilize over time... giving scientists precious time to perfect those other sources of power.

You need to have more faith in humanity... we're not really a species that gives up easily. Things can and probably will get bad, but by no means will it completely end our societies and way of life as we know it. Things will just likely head into a new direction, and eventually... a better direction than we are at now.
 
The idea that the government isn't monitoring the oil reserves, or that the oil companies are hiding the fact that we are going to run out of oil, is pretty outragious.
 
Oil is quite simply a fad.

The whole deal isn't weither we will run out of oil anytime soon, thats not the worry.. its the cheap oil that's running out and the fact that demand is going to start exceeding supply of cheap oil. There are signs it's already taking it's course and pressure is growing but the main signs will be obvious, costs of everything.. food, water, the essentials.. will start to rise.
 
mr. cow is right. civilization wont disappear the minute oil becomes scarce. people will adapt. the rare supplies will be reserved for essentials.

thing is that if we wanted cheap energy we'd have it in a few years. i'm talking about fusion energy. the ITER reactor would cost 7 billion €. big oil corporations probably spend that much money on toilet paper. if we'd allocate some of the oil funds to fusion research then we'd be hving a operative reactor by the end of this decade.
 
I think some people are a little confused ..we've already hit peak oil ..or more accurately some countries have hit peak oil but because the fact that reserves are tied into how much you can sell most countries inflate their reserves therefore making accurate counts impossible ..I think global peak oil will hit in the next 10 years ..more alarming is that even if right now we poured development into alternative methods it will be too late to prevent problems with shortages of oil ..we just dont have the infrasctructure and we're moving a snails pace
 
That's why a select elite few of us should go up into orbit, and nuke the world.
 
It will eventually happen, but you can't make any predictions based on extrapolations because new oil is found every day...but common sense tells us we will hit the peak at some point.
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8677389869548020370

A recent documentary on peak oil that includes prominent people from within government, such as former environmental minister for the labour party in the UK Michael Meacher, it does contain some controversial views.

Worth the watch non the less. Richard Heinberg is also featured and is quite famous for his books on the issue.
 
Enjoy life now, it wont be anything like this when we are old. We will tell our grandchildren about how life was back in the late 90s and early 20th century.

We live in like the best time period ever. And we still have fish sticks!!! My grand children wont even know the taste of fish sticks!

So...enjoy life.... *goes playing games 24/7*
 
Ravioli said:
Enjoy life now, it wont be anything like this when we are old. We will tell our grandchildren about how life was back in the late 90s and early 20th century.

We live in like the best time period ever. And we still have fish sticks!!! My grand children wont even know the taste of fish sticks!

So...enjoy life.... *goes playing games 24/7*
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The fish sticks you eat right now aren't even made out of fish.
 
Personally, I agree with Raz. If we do hit a shortage of oil, that will just thrust us to create/find the alternate energy source even quicker than we are now. Humanity will be fine, but modern civilization will fall for the most part...what you need to ask yourself is, is that really a problem?
 
CyberPitz said:
Personally, I agree with Raz. If we do hit a shortage of oil, that will just thrust us to create/find the alternate energy source even quicker than we are now. Humanity will be fine, but modern civilization will fall for the most part...what you need to ask yourself is, is that really a problem?
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How would massive riots, food shortages, civil wars, etc. not be a problem?
Unless you enjoy all of the above.
 
CyberPitz said:
Personally, I agree with Raz. If we do hit a shortage of oil, that will just thrust us to create/find the alternate energy source even quicker than we are now. Humanity will be fine, but modern civilization will fall for the most part...what you need to ask yourself is, is that really a problem?
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Depends if you die in the anarchy or not.

And lose your comfortable way of life, only to live like Short Recoil, in the wilderness.
 
even if we put in huge resources right now into alternative fuels it's not enough to rapidly change the entire global economy/infrastructure from our dependency on oil to an alternative ..there will be a crash and adjustment period ..our preparedness only affects the severity of that crash
 
you cannot dismiss peak oil as a science fiction scaremonger's fantasy. it IS going to happen. nobody is doing shit about it though. everyone is bitching about global warming... even when humans contribute a miniscule amount of carbone dioxide into the atmosphere compared to mother nature.
 
blah...i'll be a cannibal, that way i'll never get hungry. :cheese:
 
MiccyNarc said:
Can this forum stay on topic for 2 damn seconds?
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Good one
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kirovman said:
Depends if you die in the anarchy or not.

And lose your comfortable way of life, only to live like Short Recoil, in the wilderness.
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Only the strong survive, so if you don't just sit there hugging you're computer thinking you're going to be alright, but fend for your life, and find ways of supplying yourself with food/water without anybody else..you should be set. Just need a nice machette to slice those theives.
 
Raziaar said:
Sure it will.

And yes I am aware oil fuels many things today, including plastics which dominate our landscape However, what i'm getting at, is that people are not stupid enough to just let their civilization fall so rapidly. If it is needed for food to be harvested, then people will step up and do it manually if their machines are no longer up to the task. Sure there might be alot of starvation, but those who make an effort are going to be able to survive by not clinging so tightly to the technologies they lost.

And the technologies will not be lost for good, by any means. Oil will not completely dissapear, it will just become very scarce. It will likely be confiscated by the military and the government, and utilized if needed to fuel developments for new sources of power and ways to bring their country back to its feet. I'm mostly speaking of advanced western countries here, and some eastern ones too.

It's not going to be a case of... oops, oil gone, everybody is going to lay back and let themselves starve to death... civilization is crumbling and we're suddenly back to the middle ages. No, not at all. All the infrastructure will still be there, whatever is not destroyed in riots and the sort. Very intelligent people will be able to harness new energies even faster as their is increasing pressure and demand for it. It was done in the past, it can be done now... great minds come together to accomplish great things. And in time they will be able to utilize those energies to get previous infrastructure running again.


This will all happen GRADUALLY, too... and things will not just suddenly halt one day and fall into chaos, with planes falling out of the sky cause they have run out of gas. Things will start to destabilize over time... giving scientists precious time to perfect those other sources of power.

You need to have more faith in humanity... we're not really a species that gives up easily. Things can and probably will get bad, but by no means will it completely end our societies and way of life as we know it. Things will just likely head into a new direction, and eventually... a better direction than we are at now.
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The thing is at first you dispute it as if it is going to be a rapid change and then you dispute it because it is going to be a gradual thing. And really you are right, it will be a gradual thing. First there will be recessions, then worse recessions, until it eventually it turns into a depression. All the jobs that rely on the energy from the cheap oil will be lost, the big trucking industry in America, gone, the trips to Wall-Mart for the latest techno-gadget, nobody will be able to afford such behavior. How high will gas prices have to rise for such things to become apparent, here in America it may be as little as 6 or 7 dollars a gallon. The reasoning that scientists will just come up with a new "fuel" is ludicrous, despite the fact that this Dept. of Energy report says we need 10 years before the fact to divert many of the devastating effects. Even if we did develop such an alternative, we do not have the infrasructure, we have an infrastructure built on and for oil, not for some magic "alternative."
 
I plan to take to the highways, Mad Max style. Anyone care to join me?
 
Can I have a seat with a big silver "S" on it?
 
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