Peak oil

No thats just being childish, lets say it has potential. Besides the physics to describe behaviour like this in the macroscopic world is in the literature of particle physics, where perpetual motion is an accepted intrinsic part of nature. It's just a physical manifestation of a more fundemental natural process.

Read about it, tell particle physicist's they are wrong, then you can call it silly, but thats never going to happen. It's only strange to people because quite often they can't comprehend it.. why? because most of us don't think in terms of the entire workings of a physical system, just the macroscopic function. In basic terms we still don't fully understand magnetisim.
 
clarky003 said:
No thats just being childish, lets say it has potential. Besides the physics to describe behaviour like this in the macroscopic world is in the literature of particle physics, where perpetual motion is an accepted intrinsic part of nature. It's just a physical manifestation of a more fundemental natural process.

Read about it, tell particle physicist's they are wrong, then you can call it silly, but thats never going to happen. It's only strange to people because quite often they can't comprehend it.. why? because most of us don't think in terms of the entire workings of a physical system, just the macroscopic function. In basic terms we still don't fully understand magnetisim.
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i think that if it would work the potential is poor. but i have no proof for it.

you are sort of contradicting yourself:

"where perpetual motion is an accepted intrinsic part of nature"-->"In basic terms we still don't fully understand magnetisim"

"tell particle physicist's they are wrong" what particle physicist's?

" It's only strange to people because quite often they can't comprehend it.. why? because most of us don't think in terms of the entire workings of a physical system" stop claiming what other people can or cannot comprehend.

You have showed no mathematical proof that you comprehend any of it.

I believe you take others (so called) physicist's word for it.

That is why i call it silly for the time being.
 
People that say that there are alternatives to oil other than nuclear are living in a dreamworld, because there are the only two energy sources more efficient than oil, fission and fusion, but due to the poor planning in most places, and the amount of time it will take to understand and harness fusion(which it still isn't a guarantee fusion is entirely doable on the scale we want to) we will be sliding down the far side of the energy slope in the next 5-20 years. Long range I know but oil peaking is very difficult to predict.
 
MiccyNarc said:
And you're a dumbass with no grasp of logic. Read the damn site.
This is more than just an "internet scare story", this is scientific fact
Do you see theory in there any where? I don't think so.
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I have found, when arguing on the internet, that the first people to start issuing insults for no other reason than their inability to post coherent sentences are usually the ones with no argument whatsoever.

In other words, I'm old and wise enough to see that 'Peak Oil' isn't nearly as scary as is made out by your little website there. In fact its about as scary as George Bush's chances of joining MENSA.
 
Krynn72 said:
If we run out of oil we will just use something else. There is a guy who got his car to run on just water. There are lots of better alternatives to oil, its just that the government doesn't want us to use them since they get such a big cut on oil.
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Which guy was this then? You can't run a car on water.
 
clarky003 said:
rofl, what do you think the process of fusion is?

I'm not being silly, Tesla claimed it, many people have claimed it over the years, The company Steorn have got a prototype on the table, if it works and it's cheaper than hot fusion.. use it.
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Fusion is not an over-unity means of producing energy. The mechanisms are well understood, but not by you it would seem. Theres nothing mysterious about Fusion.

You waffle on about all these perpetual motion machines, yet not one machine ever anywhere in the history of the world has, or ever will, do what they say.
 
Parrot of doom said:
Fusion is not an over-unity means of producing energy. The mechanisms are well understood, but not by you it would seem. Theres nothing mysterious about Fusion.

You waffle on about all these perpetual motion machines, yet not one machine ever anywhere in the history of the world has, or ever will, do what they say.
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Well thats a very narrow view of the world from my perspective. whatever you think about zero point energy not being a source of potential energy is unsubstantiated.

Quantum mechanics requires it's existance, particle physics literally exposes it's existance, reality requires it's presence to function. Every atom to molecule gets it's energy to sustain its mass and physicality from this homogenous and isotropic field in the universe.

To deny it is to deny what we have scientifically discovered over the years, as the very essence of nature is overunity, we sure as hell didn't start the big bang or the electron going.

To answer your question about fusion.. of course it's overunity, once it get's going.. the processes coefficiencey of performance is well over unity. You end up getting more usable energy out then you are putting in. I should perhaps suggest you rethink the definition of overunity, it does not mean over 100% efficiencey but rather measured as coefficiencey of performance.
 
Erm no, you're quite wrong.

The energy in the materials used in fusion doesn't come from some magical ether where clarky003 waxes lyrical. It comes from the fuel used.

I can get a couple of matches, some wood, a bed of coal, and start a roaring fire that will last for a good couple of hours - all from some matches. Therefore my fire is an over-unity means of releasing energy. Can you see the flaw in my reasoning?

Demonstrate one perpetual motion machine to me. Show me one of them working.

You can't, and won't ever be able to.
 
Parrot of doom said:
I have found, when arguing on the internet, that the first people to start issuing insults for no other reason than their inability to post coherent sentences are usually the ones with no argument whatsoever.

In other words, I'm old and wise enough to see that 'Peak Oil' isn't nearly as scary as is made out by your little website there. In fact its about as scary as George Bush's chances of joining MENSA.
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Well thats a nice point of view but you have yet to refute the points brought up on the site. And maybe Peak Oil won't be as scary as is pictured on the website, but as long as people keep acting like you it most certainly will be.
 
I dont see how peak oil means something other than what it means ..the amount used versus the amount extracted from the earth ..any fool can see that sooner or later we'll run out of oil ..we'll reach our peak in extraction and then it's diminishing returns from there on in
 
You can't escape peak oil, unless some new miracle source of energy appears overnight.

Fusion power is 30 years away, oil is going to peak within 3 years. That means 27 years of crisis.

Numbers said it best, there will be war for the remaining oil reserves.

In fact, there already is one going on right now. Iraq is one of few countries that is a long way from hitting its peak. That is why we are over there, right or wrong. Don't think nations like China and India are ignoring this, they'll need the oil more than us soon.
 
Numbers said it best, there will be war for the remaining oil reserves.
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Which will essentially drain it much, MUCH faster. As we know... it requires tons of oil for warfare.

And that is retarded.
 
Raziaar said:
Which will essentially drain it much, MUCH faster. As we know... it requires tons of oil for warfare.

And that is retarded.
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Humanity is retarded. I'd think everyone would have figured that one out by now.
Wars have been started over much much less (look at WWI)
 
MiccyNarc said:
Humanity is retarded. I'd think everyone would have figured that one out by now.
Wars have been started over much much less (look at WWI)
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The cause of WWI was largely due in part to an arms race. Not exactly a trivial thing when it comes to past reasons wars were fought.
 
Raziaar said:
The cause of WWI was largely due in part to an arms race. Not exactly a trivial thing when it comes to past reasons wars were fought.
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Debatable, and again, it's alot more trivial than a vital resource that's needed by nations across the world.
Like I said, wars have been started for much much less.
 
GhostBoi said:
Well thats a nice point of view but you have yet to refute the points brought up on the site. And maybe Peak Oil won't be as scary as is pictured on the website, but as long as people keep acting like you it most certainly will be.
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I don't need to refute the claims on that site, in the same way that I don't need to refute the claims the 9/11 conspiracy theorists make up.

Oil has been running out for the last 30 years. It'll be running out for the next 30 years. In 30 years time, it'll still be running out.

The price of oil is now double what it was only a few years ago. I don't see anybody stockpiling food.

Still, don't mind me, after all that website is on the internet, and we all know that the internet is 100% truth.
 
Parrot of doom said:
I don't need to refute the claims on that site, in the same way that I don't need to refute the claims the 9/11 conspiracy theorists make up.

Oil has been running out for the last 30 years. It'll be running out for the next 30 years. In 30 years time, it'll still be running out.

The price of oil is now double what it was only a few years ago. I don't see anybody stockpiling food.

Still, don't mind me, after all that website is on the internet, and we all know that the internet is 100% truth.
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You're right of course oil has been running out for...wait, ever since it started being produced. Thats such a simplistic view of peak oil it is no wonder you don't see the threat it poses. Peak oil is about oil extraction and production, world oil production has been increasing steadily ever since we started drilling for it, with the exception of the 70's oil crisis. Peak oil is about when you reach the maximum point of extraction and can no longer produce oil at a faster rate, so then you start the decline, which means less and less oil for everything that requires oil from there on out. I suggest you actually read the site to understand the thesis of peak oil. This is not a conspiracy, it has happened many times before in isolated fields and countries, the big peak oil will be though, when the world peaks.
 
The argument is not over whether or not peak oil will occur, it's about when it will occur.

I mean, even if they find 3 decades worth of new oil somewhere, it doesn't change the fact that it's a finite resource.
 
i've got an idea. lets stack all the religious, conservative, nationalistic, artists, philosophers, unreasonable, narrow minded, and general dipshits together. so we can make bio diesel.
there is an abundant supply of these and it's constantly growing.
energy problem solved.
 
artists and philosophers? no no no, you want to keep those ...the rest? well I'm willing to convert my car to biodiesel :E
 
I was going to say, good artists and philosophers are some of the most intelligent, talented, and aware people on the planet.
 
CptStern said:
artists and philosophers? no no no, you want to keep those ...the rest? well I'm willing to convert my car to biodiesel :E
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well, if you say so...it wouldn't really bother me if there were no artists or philosophers around.
what purpose do they really serve, besides dividing people, spreading hate and illusions?

heh...what kind of car do you have? a meat car or something? ;)
 
jverne said:
yes?...problems?
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edit:
ok i'm a bit overgeneralizing, but...

artist don't really have any functional role for a civilization, they are just there for estheticall purposes.

few philosophers are open minded and support equality on earth.
those that do probably don't really mean it.


wtf: double post!!?? ups
 
Parrot of doom said:
I don't need to refute the claims on that site, in the same way that I don't need to refute the claims the 9/11 conspiracy theorists make up.

Oil has been running out for the last 30 years. It'll be running out for the next 30 years. In 30 years time, it'll still be running out.

The price of oil is now double what it was only a few years ago. I don't see anybody stockpiling food.

Still, don't mind me, after all that website is on the internet, and we all know that the internet is 100% truth.
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Then read a damn book about it, maybe that will convince you.

You haven't even looked at the claims on the site, and you think they are false?

We started using oil 150 years ago. We've already used more than what remains in the ground. And we're consuming it at a faster pace every day. We've used 1 trillion barrels since the mid 1980s. And now China and India are becoming heavily industrialized, catching up with the US. And this means nothing to you?

Grow a brain.

Have you even ever looked at a bell curve?

Newsflash: Any resource that is non-renewable is going to run out. Oil is going to run out, and by any expert's estimates, it will run out soon. Only scientists on large corporation's payrolls are denying peak oil. And we all know they can be trusted.
 
Does this peak oil theory take into considering the vast amounts of oil in Sakhalin?

They say that there's enough oil in that one area alone, to fuel the entire world's need for oil for the next 40 years. On top of whatever oil there might be elsewhere.

I guess it stands to become the next "Saudi Arabia" when it comes to oil supply for the world.

Glad I'm learning to speak Russian ;)
 
GhostBoi said:
You're right of course oil has been running out for...wait, ever since it started being produced. Thats such a simplistic view of peak oil it is no wonder you don't see the threat it poses. Peak oil is about oil extraction and production, world oil production has been increasing steadily ever since we started drilling for it, with the exception of the 70's oil crisis. Peak oil is about when you reach the maximum point of extraction and can no longer produce oil at a faster rate, so then you start the decline, which means less and less oil for everything that requires oil from there on out. I suggest you actually read the site to understand the thesis of peak oil. This is not a conspiracy, it has happened many times before in isolated fields and countries, the big peak oil will be though, when the world peaks.
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Oh I've looked at the site. The first thing I saw was a big list of books that they sell.

The second thing I saw was a series of technical graphs and scary headlines, perfect for frightening people who presume that the author of these graphs knows a great deal about the subject.

The third thing I noticed was the way that the website presents all of its information as undisputed fact - when it is very obviously theory.


Doubtless theres more, but I do not have the inclination to read on. Theres plenty of oil left. I'm not going to panic about it, just as I'm not going to panic about supposed human-induced climate change, another very large herring of the rouge variety.
 
MiccyNarc said:
Then read a damn book about it, maybe that will convince you.

You haven't even looked at the claims on the site, and you think they are false?

We started using oil 150 years ago. We've already used more than what remains in the ground. And we're consuming it at a faster pace every day. We've used 1 trillion barrels since the mid 1980s. And now China and India are becoming heavily industrialized, catching up with the US. And this means nothing to you?

Grow a brain.

Have you even ever looked at a bell curve?

Newsflash: Any resource that is non-renewable is going to run out. Oil is going to run out, and by any expert's estimates, it will run out soon. Only scientists on large corporation's payrolls are denying peak oil. And we all know they can be trusted.
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Maybe it would convince me, if I was so readily influenced by scare tactics from people with books to sell. But I'm not. I've seen it all before - many times.

And please refrain from the insults. Insulting me doesn't exactly lend support to your beliefs, it just makes you look childish.
 
Raziaar said:
Does this peak oil theory take into considering the vast amounts of oil in Sakhalin?

They say that there's enough oil in that one area alone, to fuel the entire world's need for oil for the next 40 years. On top of whatever oil there might be elsewhere.

I guess it stands to become the next "Saudi Arabia" when it comes to oil supply for the world.

Glad I'm learning to speak Russian ;)
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Peak oil theory takes into account every drop of oil currently known to exist on the planet.
Who are "they" that say there's enough oil to fuel the entire world's need for oil for 40 years?
I've got a very large numbers of Ph.D-possessing scientists that firmly disagree.

Parrot: Pull your head out of the sand. You're disagreeing with the almost all the scientists that study this issue. People that think like you are the reason we're in this mess.

But of course, some random average joe on the internet knows LOADS more about this subject than scientists that study this field, right? And the earth was created in 6 days. *sigh*
 
Parrot of doom said:
Oh I've looked at the site. The first thing I saw was a big list of books that they sell.

The second thing I saw was a series of technical graphs and scary headlines, perfect for frightening people who presume that the author of these graphs knows a great deal about the subject.

The third thing I noticed was the way that the website presents all of its information as undisputed fact - when it is very obviously theory.


Doubtless theres more, but I do not have the inclination to read on. Theres plenty of oil left. I'm not going to panic about it, just as I'm not going to panic about supposed human-induced climate change, another very large herring of the rouge variety.
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If you aren't even going to make an attempt to understand the subject matter, just do us all a favor, and get out of the discussion.
 
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