Perendev's permanent magnet motor

[clarky003]

I bet everyone's getting fed up of me with my persistance to inform you all of wonderful going's on in our not so normal world :naughty:

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2004/06/30/6900029PerendevPowerMagneticMotor/index.html

There is a video on the right of the page showing a walk round and power up of Prototype II. (Video of Prototype II)

The motor consist's of offset magnets in a Stator, and a rotor. It also intrigue's me to a point where I start to smile, as the device contradict's the second law of thermodynamic's.

The device uses powerful Neodynium magnets , and produces 20 killowats of power (enough to sustain your home requirements), there is also another device in design of a larger scale that can produce 4 megawatts (the equivelant to a small powerstation).

for those who dont quite get it ,

the beauty of this = no fuel required.

 

[Korgoth]

I like hearing about this stuff. Thanks Clarky.

 

[clarky003]

np dude, It's what's important if you dont want Scientist's pretending that stuff like this doesnt exist in order to protect their jobs, and if you dont want corporate oil horder's ruling the world.

 

[Bait]

If such a thing exists, I hope it spreads across the planet quickly. Unfortunately, damn greedy owners of oil companies may have something to say about it. It's a shame that so many people must adhere to the greed of so few....

 

[Kangy]

If the development and deployment of this were to be stopped, the people behind it should be rounded up and gassed.

 

[Parrot of doom]

So, lets get this right. This is a perpetual motion machine?

Obviously not. But from where does it draw its energy?

 

[clarky003]

If such a thing exists, I hope it spreads across the planet quickly. Unfortunately, damn greedy owners of oil companies may have something to say about it. It's a shame that so many people must adhere to the greed of so few....

saftey and opinion in numbers,, this form of electricity will undoubtably be cheaper, which will win over customer's and put oil companies out of buisness.

cause you see , we have power over them , because we gave them power in the first place, we can just as easily change our minds for cheaper environmently friendly electricity.

So, lets get this right. This is a perpetual motion machine?

Obviously not. But from where does it draw its energy?

The mangnetic force's constant superiority over the friction envolved, aslong as the magnets are good the device will turn for hundreds of years (aslong as the magnets last) if kept.

 

[blahblahblah]

I'm doubtful of that. Its efficency ratio can't be 100%. That is defying the laws of physics. It cannot continually power itself, it must be drawing power from somewhere.

Even theoretical cold fusion does not have an efficency ratio of 100%.

 

[clarky003]

it most probably tie's its energetic constancey through Zero point energy, through the configurative interaction of the magnetic forces.

read about vaccum energy , but if youve watched the video its very clear that its a working PM motor.

As the stators become engaged, the three rotors with off-set magnet alignment begin to spin. The speed is controlled by a governor. Without the speed control, the device would accelerate to destruction

is it possible in a certain way, magnets are a natural Zero point energy converter...?

 

[Parrot of doom]

The mangnetic force's constant superiority over the friction envolved, aslong as the magnets are good the device will turn for hundreds of years (aslong as the magnets last) if kept.

No, you misunderstand. Magnets are not one-way devices. They have opposing poles. As that device spins, there will be an equal force opposing that spin.

Now somehow, the developers may have found a way to suppress that opposing force, but to do that takes energy. It also takes energy to overcome the friction as it is not contained within a vacuum.

There must be a source of energy for this machine to spin. You cannot 'create' energy, only transform it. Right now, I can only think of the earth's magnetic field being involved somehow. The more likely explanation is that its all a hoax.

 

[clarky003]

No, you misunderstand. Magnets are not one-way devices. They have opposing poles. As that device spins, there will be an equal force opposing that spin.

Now somehow, the developers may have found a way to suppress that opposing force, but to do that takes energy. It also takes energy to overcome the friction as it is not contained within a vacuum.

There must be a source of energy for this machine to spin. You cannot 'create' energy, only transform it. Right now, I can only think of the earth's magnetic field being involved somehow. The more likely explanation is that its all a hoax.

that would be one heck of an expensive and elaborate hoax,

have you heard of zero point energy atall?

http://www.fdp.nu/perendev/

just above middle of the page - magnetic interaction simulation

 

[Tr0n]

For you disbelievers....Nothing is impossible if you have the time, money, and will.

 

[Parrot of doom]

have you heard of zero point energy atall?

http://www.fdp.nu/perendev/

just above middle of the page - magnetic interaction simulation

Oh trust me, I'm busily googling right now to make myself an all-knowing expert on the subject

 

[blahblahblah]

For you disbelievers....Nothing is impossible if you have the time and money.

Umm...laws of physics perhaps?

 

[Tr0n]

Umm...laws of physics perhaps?

Well explain to me how it does?Give me a nice big write up of how it all works.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

I would say one thing...Who says we got the laws of physics right :O I know it all seems to fit perfectly, but maybe it doesn't and somewhere along the line we made a mistake.

Could happen, I mean we didn't exactly find a book book called "The laws of Physics for Dummies"

 

[JimmehH]

Hummn. This seems about as likely as artificial gravity or a real life manipulator.

I wouldn't get my hopes up.

 

[clarky003]

Umm...laws of physics perhaps?

the present laws of physics are a facsimile of the human mind, percieved from a superficial point of view. You cant possibly expect to solve the mysteries of the universe by trying to explain the effect's of everyting all the time.

Being superficial about science will alway's keep you above the surface , are the answer's to reality.. really in our percievable reality? above the surface?,

although you can use effect's to see/guess what lie's beyond perception though, like trying to guess the direction of the wind from inside your home by looking at the swaying of a tree.

 

[Kangy]

If you've got enough money, you can have the Laws of Physics reprinted to your liking.

 

[Tr0n]

the present laws of physics are a facsimile of the human mind, percieving from a superficial point of view. You cant possibly expect to solve the mysteries of the universe by trying to explain the effect's of everyting all the time.

Being superficial about science will alway's keep you above the surface, but you can use effect's to see/guess what lie's beyond perception.

You my friend...get a cookie.

Edit:Farrow gets a cookie to.

 

[Baal]

I hear about this so called revolutionary equipment all the time on forums/internet...

Where is it?

I know it takes time and stuff..but...jesus..how much time?

Besides, we need this stuff NOW, before it's too late.

I hope this isn't the last we hear about this technology

 

[clarky003]

patient's my friend, its coming

they've goto get through the majority of people who think like blahblahblah for it to be accepted first

voting Bush n Co out of office might help the proccess lol

Could happen, I mean we didn't exactly find a book book called "The laws of Physics for Dummies"

we havent exactley been around for long either the universe isnt exactley made by us,, I mean the tenasity of it all. who do scientist's think they are ,

their just egocentric's holding onto old values these day's, for security of thought in their mind. so they can hold onto something they think they understand.

 

[Phisionary]

i don't believe it at all. there have been a lot of crackpot 'inventions' as well as hoaxes in the last few hundred years, this seems like a pretty cheap one in comparison, really.

...And I do know what 'vacuum energy' is, and I can say with near complete surety that this has absolutely nothing to do with it.

in short, you can't, unfortunately, create energy. this device doesn't seem to have any method of extracting or utilizing energy around it. so it is very likely a hoax.

 

[Korgoth]

uh oh clarky...
Begin downward spiral into flaming obliteration in...
5...
4...
3...
2...

Ah, man I hope this kind of stuff actually breaks the mold some day. We need new sources of energy, and new machines to do our bidding muahahahahahaha.. ahem.
I can't wait for anti grav boots
(and invisibility cloaks, jeebus the womens dressing rooms have never been in such danger)

 

[clarky003]

i don't believe it at all. there have been a lot of crackpot 'inventions' as well as hoaxes in the last few hundred years, this seems like a pretty cheap one in comparison, really.

...And I do know what 'vacuum energy' is, and I can say with near complete surety that this has absolutely nothing to do with it.

in short, you can't, unfortunately, create energy. this device doesn't seem to have any method of extracting or utilizing energy around it. so it is very likely a hoax.

:dozey: they have a german investor.. if you read through the whole article, there are other source's,.

Perendev's company site :

http://www.Perendev-power.com

Your the kind of person who call's people dreamer's arnt you?

This label has been used in a derogatory manner. "Oh, He's just a dreamer", He'll never amount to anything, He's just a dreamer" , or "Stop daydreaming! Come back to reality!" or "He's dreaming, He'll never be able to do that". All these statements are made by people who live in today's world and are grounded in it. They are the ones who teach us their rules and the "established" way things are in this world. These are also the people who do not want changes in this world. Everything, to them, is established and cast in concrete. It is all very straight forward and logical to their mind. Any variance or change threatens their knowledge and security in their way of thinking.

and its not getting its energy from nowhere, if you do understand vaccum energy, you'll understand that when you see the device working away it is simply (or with great complexity ) tapping into the Zero point of the universe, where every manifested electron and atom draws its energy from.

 

[JimmehH]

Clarky, I don't think you should go around calling people closed minded after your little scientist diatribe.

 

[Phisionary]

:dozey: they have a german investor.. if you read through the whole article, there are other source's,.

Sorry to break this to you, but some germans are crackpots too.

and its not getting its energy from nowhere, if you do understand vaccum energy, you'll understand that the device is simply tapping into the Zero point of the universe, where every manifested electron and atom draws its energy from.

and if you understood vacuum point energy, you would also understand that you have no idea what your talking about.

 

[clarky003]

Sorry to break this to you, but some germans are crackpots too.

and if you understood vacuum point energy, you would also understand that you have no idea what your talking about.

ok smarty pants , explain to me how and why an electron exibits the signs of perpetual motion.

 

[Tr0n]

Sorry to break this to you, but some germans are crackpots too.

and if you understood vacuum point energy, you would also understand that you have no idea what your talking about.

You to explain to all of us why this is a hoax?So please explain.

 

[clarky003]

here you are TrOn , a higher resolution clip of the motor working away when the stator is closed in. You can see the offset magnets around the outskirts of the rotor.

http://www.perendev-power.com/mm_exclusiveclip.htm

 

[Phisionary]

ok smarty pants , explain to me how and why an electron exibits the signs of perpetual motion.

who said they did? give me some more information. i'm not exactly a physics guru (yet) and i'll see if i'm up to it.

You to explain to all of us why this is a hoax?So please explain.

this guy is talking about getting 60 kilowatts out of a little spinning disc made of magnets. beyond being perpetual motion, this is energy out of nothing. that's impossible.

and this is not to say that there are not physics principals that exist that we (as a species) are not aware of. but that someone with little or no proven scientific experiance and an aluminum wheel covered with magnet is gonna discover one that can provide power for the whole human race without fuel? i don;t think so...

 

[clarky003]

who said they did? give me some more information. i'm not exactly a physics guru (yet) and i'll see if i'm up to it.

in our percievable face value of reality, New scientist's realise that the electron is esstially in an imeasurably none decaying orbit that is constant, so in our reality it very much seems like perpetual motion.

however energy cannot be created nor destroyed, so it must be getting its energy from somewhere, that somewhere is the Zero point of the vaccum matrix. The realm essentially manifest's everything that is physical to you or I,

now a practical theory is that if you give that electron a boost of energy its orbit increases , and differential in the natural vaccum powered orbit and the temporary new orbit realses energy from the vaccum in the form of a photon, which can be and electrical particle.

These devices are working on the basis of these event's using magnetic interaction's to increase the energy of the electron, infact im not actually speaking to you write now.. its just an illusion. lol

 

[blahblahblah]

You to explain to all of us why this is a hoax?So please explain.

Mind if I jump in?

- You cannot create or destroy energy. It can only change from one form to another
- Directly related to above, 100% efficency can't be achieved. This is because of frictional and other forces (like earth's gravity) that cannot be prevented. A gas engine roughly has a 20% efficency rating.
- Why is a govenator needed? Why not make it move as fast a possible to create as much energy as possible? You would only need one to power Europe, and another to power America. He would only have to use higher (stronger) quality parts.
- Nobody in the scientific community has shown any interest in this. Perhaps you guys can link me to a site that is not obssesed with zerio point energy.
- The video does not move while the device is operating.
- From my limited understanding, this device doesn't directly relate to zero point energy. Perhaps they should have written a theoretical paper to back his stances. Or created a mathametical model.
- All claimed attempts with a device like this have never been reproduced.

Mods, can you sticky this on the top of this forum? I want to remember and look and see if this device is every really announced. I doubt it.

 

[clarky003]

You cannot create or destroy energy. It can only change from one form to another

however energy cannot be created nor destroyed, so it must be getting its energy from somewhere, that somewhere is the Zero point of the vaccum matrix. The realm essentially manifest's everything that is physical to you or I. A sub space if you will

The video does not move while the device is operating.

The very first post has a video where he walks around at the end while its working away.

Why is a govenator needed? Why not make it move as fast a possible to create as much energy as possible? You would only need one to power Europe, and another to power America. He would only have to use higher (stronger) quality parts.

it would spin itself to destruction through centrifugal forces.

Nobody in the scientific community has shown any interest in this. Perhaps you guys can link me to a site that is not obssesed with zerio point energy

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/FreeEnergy/Directory/Perendev/MagneticMotor/index.html

From my limited understanding, this device doesn't directly relate to zero point energy. Perhaps they should have written a theoretical paper to back his stances. Or created a mathametical model.

they most likely have, but havnt disclosed it to the public.

 

[blahblahblah]

in our percievable face value of reality, New scientist's realise that the electron is esstially in an imeasurably none decaying orbit that is constant, so in our reality it very much seems like perpetual motion.

however energy cannot be created nor destroyed, so it must be getting its energy from somewhere, that somewhere is the Zero point of the vaccum matrix. The realm essentially manifest's everything that is physical to you or I,

now a practical theory is that if you give that electron a boost of energy its orbit increases , and differential in the natural vaccum powered orbit and the temporary new orbit realses energy from the vaccum in the form of a photon, which can be and electrical particle.

These devices are working on the basis of these event's using magnetic interaction's to increase the energy of the electron, infact im not actually speaking to you write now.. its just an illusion. lol

I understood that, that is basic Physics 101.

You are forgetting that when a photon is released, it is not 100% energy. That is an inherent energy loss right there. Then you throw in everything else and you just lost your perpetual motion engine. :O

PS - http://www.greaterthings.com/

You should check your links before you give them to me.

 

[clarky003]

I understood that, that is basic Physics 101.

You are forgetting that when a photon is released, it is not 100% energy. That is an inherent energy loss right there. Then you throw in everything else and you just lost your perpetual motion engine. :O

PS - http://www.greaterthings.com/

You should check your links before you give them to me.

okay that link is nothing to do with what im intrested in , im not the religious type, was that an attempt to discredit me?

as for the electron, the extra photon adds to the energy of the existing electron. vaccum state energy transformation's work beyond the subatomic , the duality transition doesnt work the same, its a vaccum, extra energy including the electron's origional potential energy is released (or gated. or turned on like a tap), again to understand this, you cant look at its face value, and relate it to the physical world we understand on a larger scale. There are different operation's in action at the barrier of duality.

'the ultimate quantum free lunch' it only seems free from the perspective of the physical, because we cannot percieve the Vaccum directley (obviously we cannot help this, but we can look inward and realise this, as... our brains are thought to be a physical and vaccum computer combinations of duality, as we live through the physical, the outward creation of the Vaccum matrix, we are also within, but our within is clouded by the overwhelming senses in the physical outward),,as like a game image is projected by a monitor, using energy. everything in our world is being constantly manifested by the energy from the Vaccum, like the refresh rate on your monitor keeps the image up.

 

[Sprafa]

and if you dont want corporate oil horder's ruling the world.

they already do....

 

[Phisionary]

in our percievable face value of reality, New scientist's realise that the electron is esstially in an imeasurably none decaying orbit that is constant, so in our reality it very much seems like perpetual motion.

electrons don't actually orbit. they reside in a field of probibility determined by quantum mechanics.

however energy cannot be created nor destroyed, so it must be getting its energy from somewhere, that somewhere is the Zero point of the vaccum matrix. The realm essentially manifest's everything that is physical to you or I,

for those who don't understand vacuum energy, i'll explain it the best i know.
heisenburgs (sp?) uncertainty principal says that we connot know BOTH:
a) the exact position of and
b) the exact energy (velocity, mass, etc.)
of any fundamental physical thing. whether it be an electron, a photon, a quark, whatever. we can know one, we can know the other. but the very act of observing will alter one of those two things in an unpredictable manner.
certain scientists (it might have been hawking) came to the conclusion that this was true about any place in our spacetime. this applies to the deepest, darkest part of the universe, where there is a complete absence of any measurable matter.
however, 'nothing' would, theoretically, have both a position that could be defined as zero (something that is not there cannot have a postion) and and energy of zero.
since this is impossible, based on the uncertainty principle, a vacuum therefore must have a certain measure of energy. this energy is not observable because it exists as a so-called 'virtual particle' that comes into existance, paired with an anti-partical of the same sort, and annihilates itself, so as to add nothing to the energy balance in the universe.

this theory has bee used to suggest such phenomena as time travel, and the limited lifetime of the previously unescapable 'black holes.' If someone can see how it relates to permanent magnets, please go ahead....

now a practical theory is that if you give that electron a boost of energy its orbit increases , and differential in the natural vaccum powered orbit and the temporary new orbit realses energy from the vaccum in the form of a photon, which can be and electrical particle.

if a particle interacts with an electron, it sometimes is 'absorbed'. this can elevate it into a higher valence level. this is an unstable arrangement, and eventually the electron falls down to it's natural state. when this occurs, a particle is then emitted. this can be the original particle, or several different particles that have the same energy level as the original. i don't see how this relates to vacuum energy.

These devices are working on the basis of these event's using magnetic interaction's to increase the energy of the electron, infact im not actually speaking to you write now.. its just an illusion. lol

lol. i see. :rolling:

 

[blahblahblah]

okay that link is nothing to do with what im intrested in , im not the religious type, was that an attempt to discredit me?

No that is the link when I asked for a reputable scientific site.

If I would have given that link, I would have been flamed out of this thread.

as for the electron, the extra photon adds to the energy of the existing electron. vaccum state energy transformation's work beyond the subatomic , the duality transition doesnt work the same, its a vaccum, extra energy including the electron's origional potential energy is released (or gated. or turned on like a tap), again to understand this, you cant look at its face value, and relate it to the physical world we understand on a larger scale. There are different operation's in action at the barrier of duality.

However, the energy that we used doesn't have 100% efficency. We know the energy in the universe stays constant (or zero as I have recently learned :O), but in order for this device to be perpetual, it will have to have 100% efficency from the get go.

When a photon is released, it also releases other forms of energy such as heat. We will not be using this other energy since we can't collect it, therefore we have lost the perptual motion of this device.

 

[clarky003]

No that is the link that I asked for a reputable scientific site.

If I would have given that link, I would have been flamed out of this thread.

but you of all people should know Religion and Science dont mix

However, the energy that we used doesn't have 100% efficency. We know the energy in the universe stays constant (or zero as I have recently learned :O), but in order for this device to be perpetual, it will have to have 100% efficency from the get go.

When a photon is released, it also releases other forms of energy such as heat. We will not be using this other energy since we can't collect it, therefore we have lost the perptual motion of this device.

but still that unmanifested energy becomes manifested onto our reality, we are collecting the energy from the electron anyway, but then we cause it to manifest more energy from this realm that we only pervcieve as being the energy provider to our worlds structure begining somewhere beyond the subatomic..

say we get 80 % out of the electrons energy anyway.

20% is lost in heat and other forms. so we can never get 100% there.

But, then we cause a vaccum manifestation of a photon which as soon as its manifested looses.. say for good measure , 40% perecent of its energy in forces in our reality, add those together

you get 140%, but you havnt broken any laws, you havnt destroyed or created energy, just converted and added to what already existed