Poland okays forcible castration for pedophiles

[VictimOfScience]

Poland on Friday approved a law making chemical castration mandatory for pedophiles in some cases, sparking criticism from human rights groups.

Under the law, sponsored by Poland's center-right government, pedophiles convicted of raping children under the age of 15 years or a close relative would have to undergo chemical therapy on their release from prison.

Prime Minister Donald Tusk said late last year he wanted obligatory castration for pedophiles, whom he branded 'degenerates'. Tusk said he did not believe "one can use the term 'human' for such individuals, such creatures."

"Therefore I don't think protection of human rights should refer to these kind of events," Tusk also said.

Source.

Not to be overly critical here, but once we start looking at another group of people as somehow less-than-human we start sliding down a very slippery slope, esp. when it involves state-sponsored mutilation. I would have thought Poland of all places would have a better memory.

Thoughts?

 

[lame-o]

Donald Tusk is a lover of Vladimir Putin, so that explains a lot.

 

[Wanted Bob]

As much as I despise people who would do such a thing, castration is going too far as punishment, ESPECIALLY when put into the context that "they are no longer human beings, thus human rights do not apply to them".

 

[Ravioli]

I dont understand, does this only effect those who have commit acts of pedophilia against children? Or just innocent pedophiles who has never even done anything? Also, how does this even help at all? Sexual attraction to specific things are hardwired inside our brains, not our balls.

Sceptical about this, sounds too obscure and barbaric.

 

[No Limit]

The big irony here is that today Poland called for the release of Roman Polanski from prison. Maybe it's so they can cut his dick off.

 

[Sulkdodds]

AFAIK chemical castration only continues as long as you keep taking a drug, so one day a Polish paedophile will forget to take his medication, and then it'll be just like the movie Equilibrium only instead of reading Yeats and petting puppies the protagonist will be raping children, so it'll actually make a much more difficult and interesting point than Equilibrium, claiming that freedom and emotion are inextricably bound up with terrible crimes, and in that sense it will be rather more like the superior A Clockwork Orange, but without the silly last chapter that Kubrick was right to cut out.

Anyway, bad show.

 

[Qonfused]

What the hell?

 

[Tyguy]

sweet, castration is hilarious

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Must stop young rape pregnancies, castration must be the answer!

 

[Eejit]

I dont understand, does this only effect those who have commit acts of pedophilia against children?

Didn't you read?

pedophiles convicted of raping children under the age of 15 years or a close relative

Or just innocent pedophiles who has never even done anything? Also, how does this even help at all? Sexual attraction to specific things are hardwired inside our brains, not our balls.

Except it isn't about sexual attraction, it's about a type of rape.


Anyway, it's still a pretty terrible move, but try to understand what the OP says.

 

[kineaesth]

Absolutely absurd. This is basically eugenics. And if it's not eugenics, then what on earth is it? How does it fit the crime? How is at all a sensible punishment, especially as it is mandated that it should occur after a jail sentence?

I just woke up this is a terrible way to start my morning

 

[repiV]

It's not about punishment is it, it's about prevention of reoffending.

 

[lame-o]

Well to be fair most Polish criminals don't believe in rehabilitation.

 

[Ravioli]

Except it isn't about sexual attraction, it's about a type of rape..

Ok, but i still dont see how it stops rapes...

"oh noes i got me sum chemicals in my balls, i cant rape anymore "

Does the chemical hinder erection or something?

 

[jondy]

It's not about punishment is it, it's about prevention of reoffending.

I guess you can justify capital punishment in the same way.

EDIT: Sulkdodds, am I right in thinking you study at Sussex? I think I'm playing at your campus bar - 'East slopes'? - on the 9th of October. Please tell me it's a cool hip place and things

 

[repiV]

I guess you can justify capital punishment in the same way.

You can justify whatever you like in any way you desire, it doesn't change the fact that punishment and crime prevention are completely different things. It's not about justice, it's about protecting innocent children.

Similarly, only idiots compare armed police shooting someone in a hostile situation to capital punishment.

I really don't give a shit about the human rights of pedophiles, and I'm sure you'll find the vast majority of people agree. The human rights of potential victims are far more important. Curious how nobody here seems to be too concerned about those rights.

 

[Vegeta897]

No Vegeta jokes I'm impressed.

And hurt.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

I'm impressed and hurt.

That's what she said.

 

[Qonfused]

You can justify whatever you like in any way you desire, it doesn't change the fact that punishment and crime prevention are completely different things. It's not about justice, it's about protecting innocent children.

Similarly, only idiots compare armed police shooting someone in a hostile situation to capital punishment.

I really don't give a shit about the human rights of pedophiles, and I'm sure you'll find the vast majority of people agree. The human rights of potential victims are far more important. Curious how nobody here seems to be too concerned about those rights.

I tried to type up a post in response to this but I was so lost for words, I gave up.

 

[Wanted Bob]

And just exactly HOW is this definitive prevention? It is still physically possible to perform the act, therefore its still just a punishment, like going to jail.

 

[Raziaar]

No Vegeta jokes I'm impressed.

And hurt.

You better never go back to the fatherland or you're gonna lose your Pole!

 

[Krynn72]

Oh man, I was really upset by this at first, because I didnt know what chemical castration was. I thought it meant that they used some chemicals to **** up your dick so you couldnt have sex anymore. That would be ****ed up. But its just a medication that is "designed to reduce libido and sexual activity."

I'm not as upset by this now. I still think its stupid, because they could just stop taking the meds and sproing goes the penis. But I dont think is as morally reprehensible as others here seem to make it out to be. I mean, its like a murderer who killed out of rage being put on meds to calm him down so he doesnt flip out again and hurt someone.

That said, I still think its wrong. I'd probably be supportive of allowing the convicted person the choice of either taking the meds, or having to go to classes like anger management, only for pedos, and they'd go for however long they'd have to be on the meds. Forcing someone onto medication though is wrong. Especially because in this case it pretty much means they can't reproduce.

Also, I wish people would stop saying pedophiles when they mean child rapists. They're not synonyms.

 

[MJ12]

You can justify whatever you like in any way you desire, it doesn't change the fact that punishment and crime prevention are completely different things. It's not about justice, it's about protecting innocent children.

Similarly, only idiots compare armed police shooting someone in a hostile situation to capital punishment.

I really don't give a shit about the human rights of pedophiles, and I'm sure you'll find the vast majority of people agree. The human rights of potential victims are far more important. Curious how nobody here seems to be too concerned about those rights.

Okay, so say you believe that these people who have done these crimes are deserving of this bizarre punishment, by your standards.

With that put aside, can you still see the problem with a government making these sorts of decisions with it's people, can you still see what other problems this could lead to?

If a government allows itself to.......... wait why am I arguing with you, you're ****ing insane.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Does the chemical hinder erection or something?

Yes. That is exactly correct.

I guess you can justify capital punishment in the same way.

EDIT: Sulkdodds, am I right in thinking you study at Sussex? I think I'm playing at your campus bar - 'East slopes'? - on the 9th of October. Please tell me it's a cool hip place and things

Capital punishment is irreversible - chemical castration is not.

I actually only live in Brighton, I study elsewhere. I've never been to East Slopes. Sounds a bit racist to me. Sorry! Try Kupocake, possibly.

 

[Sheepo]

You can justify whatever you like in any way you desire, it doesn't change the fact that punishment and crime prevention are completely different things. It's not about justice, it's about protecting innocent children.

Similarly, only idiots compare armed police shooting someone in a hostile situation to capital punishment.

I really don't give a shit about the human rights of pedophiles, and I'm sure you'll find the vast majority of people agree. The human rights of potential victims are far more important. Curious how nobody here seems to be too concerned about those rights.

Are they just like walking sexual assault bombs in your eyes or something?

 

[Sulkdodds]

I can understand the use of doing this to people, in terms of protecting others. But I'm not sure I'm sold on the parts where the state gets to control your sexual arousal and where you don't get to ever try and have a normal sexual relationship with anyone ever again. Hmm.

 

[Yorick]

In regards to the argument of "chemical castration only continues as long as you keep taking a drug" and "chemical castration is reversible", it really depends on the method used. It is entirely possible to completely fry the nerves.

 

[Sheepo]

*cough*Yorick would know*cough*

 

[Yorick]

*Runs away crying*

 

[kineaesth]

The human rights of potential victims are far more important. Curious how nobody here seems to be too concerned about those rights.

Ugh. Because it's just... Senseless. It's similar to a death penalty for murder, but as silly as cutting off someone's hands for petty theft.

Also, I wish people would stop saying pedophiles when they mean child rapists. They're not synonyms.

Good point.

But I'm not sure I'm sold on the parts where the state gets to control your sexual arousal and where you don't get to ever try and have a normal sexual relationship with anyone ever again. Hmm.

Exactly. It's so out there, so strange, and so... Cruel and unusual.


If I was in a dick mood, I'd say that it will probably act as a great deterrent to these people - our genetics really like being able to reproduce, and forced infertility and impotence scares us on a very primal level. It would [feasibly] have the same deterrent effect as the previously mentioned removal of hands for theft. An extreme punishment, as a result of which no-one steals much anymore.

 

[15357]

Let me tell you guys a story.

There was a girl, aged 8.

She was raped on the 22nd of April, by a 38 year old man.

After the brutal and repetitive rape, her large intestines were hanging out, and her genitals were mutilated beyond repair.

The perpetrator, using a large plunger tried to clean her insides of his sperm.

That caused further extensive damage to her internal organs.

Now, she remains in a hospital bed, a hole in her side so that she can defecate.

Her bladder is beyond repair, as is her rectum and part of her large intestine.

She will live in a hospital bed for the last of her life.









Why did I write this? Perspective.

 

[VictimOfScience]

*snips awful story*

Why did I write this? Perspective.

So what was the punishment for him?

 

[Raziaar]

A revocation of his plumbing license.



Okay... I'm going to hell. Bye guys.

 

[Sheepo]

If I do a certain illegal thing, the government gets give me a punishment that's pretty much the equivalent! Dead murderers and raped rapists for everyone!

 

[Higlac]

If I do a certain illegal thing, the government gets give me a punishment that's pretty much the equivalent! Dead murderers and raped rapists for everyone!

Great idea! Death penalty, and mandatory prison bitches!

 

[15357]

So what was the punishment for him?

5 years. + 12 with a tracking device.



He says the punishment is too harsh and is appealing.


The prosecution also agrees for a second trial in which the judge isn't a ****ing retard.

 

[Sheepo]

Great idea! Death penalty, and mandatory prison bitches!

lol capital punishment

 

[Tyguy]

Hammurabi called, he want's his code back.

 

[VictimOfScience]

The prosecution also agrees for a second trial in which the judge isn't a ****ing retard.

LOL. Indeed. That sounds like a very good idea.

 

[Krynn72]

5 years. + 12 with a tracking device.

Thats ridiculous that he got off so light.