Poland okays forcible castration for pedophiles

[Tagaziel]

How could you have let this happen, Mikael.

We voted them in.

 

[VirusType2]

the distinction between 'caring' about the person who is executed (although one might justly do so), and 'caring' about the breach in human rights or whatever that is made when they are. Obviously the people who passed this law don't care about even that, which is one of the things that makes it rather disturbing, even if it would appear to prevent reoffending fairly reliably.

Agreed. Just because many of us think criminals deserve a fair and just trail and criminals should not be denied basic human rights does not mean we have 'sympathy for the devil' or want to defend their actions. Don't forget some of these people who are convicted are actually innocent.

Rape is a pretty general term. Are we talking forceful abusive rape or having sexual relations with a minor: statutory rape?

What about a young woman with an exemplary career in teaching who makes a mistake and has sexual relations with a minor? Since she doesn't have testicles, should we remove her *descriptives*?

People make mistakes, especially when judgment is clouded. But these people have lives. I'll bet many of them are important contributors to society that deserve a second chance. Everything should be judged on a case by case basis. You can't just lump everything together and select the electric chair option.

 

[Sulkdodds]

It is worth asking why it's necessary to make chemical castration a mandatory punishment, rather than making it available at the discretion of judges.

 

[Tagaziel]

Rape is a pretty general term. Are we talking forceful abusive rape or having sexual relations with a minor: statutory rape?

The mere fact of having any kind of sexual relations with an underage person ends up with the perp branded a pedophile - the wording of the new law includes even 16 year olds.

What about a young woman with an exemplary career in teaching who makes a mistake and has sexual relations with a minor? Since she doesn't have testicles, should we remove her *descriptives*?

CHEMICAL castration. And yes, she gets bagged.

People make mistakes, especially when judgment is clouded. But these people have lives. I'll bet many of them are important contributors to society that deserve a second chance. Everything should be judged on a case by case basis. You can't just lump everything together and select the electric chair option.

Case in point: Roman Polanski.

It is worth asking why it's necessary to make chemical castration a mandatory punishment, rather than making it available at the discretion of judges.

That's because the authors are paranoid idiots. fearing pedophilies hiding under every bush.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Seems more like that they want to be able to say "as far as we know we have the toughest legislation in Europe" for a fawning electorate.

 

[13LACKBISHOP]

There are 3 solutions to the problems of pedophiles.

A) Stick them in a cell for the rest of their life. If you release them, they will rape again. Pedophiles cannot control there sexual urges. That is the point.

B) Release them from prison to have them rape again because of lack of self-control.

C) Castrate them and have them not rape again. This is inhumane but so is a child getting raped.

There is no idealogical answer. The universe is cruel, unfair and unjust. This is the lesson of life.

If not C and A then how do you propose we find a solution to the problem of kids getting raped. They will rape again because if even if they might not want to have sex with underage kids they will do so anyway because of lack of self-control. If you chose B then you think that a pedophiles right to reproduce is more important than a child getting raped. I would have chose C because I care more about the children than about the pedophile. I would rather a pedo not be able to reproduce than having pedos rape kids. You silly idealogical answers mean nothing. Its an unfair world.

 

[Tagaziel]

There are 3 solutions to the problems of pedophiles.

A) Stick them in a cell for the rest of their life. If you release them, they will rape again. Pedophiles cannot control there sexual urges. That is the point.

B) Release them from prison to have them rape again because of lack of self-control.

C) Castrate them and have them not rape again. This is inhumane but so is a child getting raped.

There is no idealogical answer. The universe is cruel, unfair and unjust. This is the lesson of life.

If not C and A then how do you propose we find a solution to the problem of kids getting raped. They will rape again because if even if they might not want to have sex with underage kids they will do so anyway because of lack of self-control. If you chose B then you think that a pedophiles right to reproduce is more important than a child getting raped. I would have chose C because I care more about the children than about the pedophile. I would rather a pedo not be able to reproduce than having pedos rape kids. You silly idealogical answers mean nothing. Its an unfair world.

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

 

[Laivasse]

There are 3 solutions to the problems of pedophiles.

A) Stick them in a cell for the rest of their life. If you release them, they will rape again. Pedophiles cannot control there sexual urges. That is the point.

B) Release them from prison to have them rape again because of lack of self-control.

C) Castrate them and have them not rape again. This is inhumane but so is a child getting raped.

There is no idealogical answer. The universe is cruel, unfair and unjust. This is the lesson of life.

If not C and A then how do you propose we find a solution to the problem of kids getting raped. They will rape again because if even if they might not want to have sex with underage kids they will do so anyway because of lack of self-control. If you chose B then you think that a pedophiles right to reproduce is more important than a child getting raped. I would have chose C because I care more about the children than about the pedophile. I would rather a pedo not be able to reproduce than having pedos rape kids. You silly idealogical answers mean nothing. Its an unfair world.

You complain about 'silly ideological answers', but your suggestions themselves stem from a kind of hopeless moral paternalism which seeks to create an absolutely fair and safe world in circumstances where no such thing is possible. For a start you define a paedophile as someone who cannot control their sexual urges, or molesters as people who reoffend with 100% certainty, while these statements are not accurate. Sure, it's not a fair world, but maybe it would be a bit fairer if we weren't so shitting lazy with our definitions.

YES, children should be protected from abuse, but should that come at the expense of all else, including the principles of a free society, where innocence is always presumed? Let's assume for a moment that child abuse warrants sterilisation - how do you define the threshold for child abuse? Is it a 17 year old having sex with a 15 year old? An 18 year old with a 14 year old? Perhaps we should just keep sterilisation for those who perform sexual acts with any child under 14 - although in that case we'd still be living in a world where most people should be crowing for David Bowie's sterilisation since he probably boned Lori Maddox at 13, despite the fact that he's clearly no kind of danger to society atm.

Maybe sterilisation should be kept for those who offend against much younger kids, but that still leaves the question of where to draw the line; you could easily end up in a situation where a mental defective who exposes himself to a 9 year old gets sterilised, while someone who penetrates a 12 year old might still not be considered beyond the pale. Even assuming this balance could be found (which further assumes a monumental amount of trust in our legislative bodies), where is the consistency of moral authority in the fact that someone could commit the same crimes in another country across a border a few miles away, and still walk around happily unsterilised afterwards? How come that country is able to function without the threat of sterilisation? Perhaps we'd need some kind of multilateral sterilisation treaty? Why not force our sterilisation doctrine on countries who are not really keen on it because they are liberal morons who place too much faith in their rehabilitation programs?

HEY, I have a solution which skips around all that...! Maybe after 50 years of confusing rewrites of the sterilisation law, a government would propose what just popped into my head:
Since chemical castration is temporary and perfectly reversible, why not just make it compulsory for anyone who works with children? There's no lasting harm done, after all, and the children are what matters. And screw it, make it compulsory for all sex offenders, not just kiddie fiddlers, since it's no less traumatic for an adult woman to be subjected to violation. Those pervs surrendered their rights when they showed themselves to be incapable of self-control! It's only temporary, so if we discover that we've made a mistake we can reverse it at any time! (except we won't ever, because we're so firm in our moral assuredness by that point).

Or how about this: instead of pretending to ourselves that inventing punishment upon punishment might erase all risk of a certain crime, why not have faith in our existing institutions to deal with the crime, research the psychology of the perp, tweak the sentencing and let's not turn into some shitarse paternalistic society that treats anyone less than human.

Anger, moral indignation and corporal punishment won't eliminate child abuse, but it can damage the freedom and moral integrity of the non-child-abusing part of society. We should strive to find the best balance possible, but very sadly, until humanity undergoes some kind of paradigm shift, children, women and the weak will always continue to be raped, abused and exploited. How's that for a blast of nihilism for you, unfair-world-boy.

 

[Sheepo]

So I'm attracting insults now for not defending child molesters. Or for not drawing the distinction between people attracted to children, and people who molest children (who actually would care to make that point? noone outside hl2.net..)

This forum never fails to amaze me at times.

Holy ****ing shit. Do you not realize the incredibly massive difference between being attracted to children and raping a child? Do you not see how ridiculously stupid and careless it is to keep all those people in one neat little box to strip of rights? Let's pretend for a moment that child molesters really are just that, mindless, inhuman, monstrous drones who can focus on nothing in life besides raping children (it's clear that it's a doctrine you have no trouble believing in) and that pedophiles are a different category altogether, rather than being a larger general category, and that all pedophiles are well meaning, law abiding, and productive members of society. Any attraction to children for them is expressed privately, without your knowledge or interest, and without harming a single person (indeed, for the sake of this scenario, let's pretend many of your good friends are pedophiles). Now, can you see the logic of distinguishing between these people? The fact that you're amazed at us for this is laughable. To not see or care about this distinction is pure idiocy. I won't even go on about some of the other things you've said, not enough time right now (and it seems many people have taken care of that for me).

And I'll get back to you on that, Yorick.

 

[VirusType2]

There are 3 solutions to the problems of pedophiles.

A) Stick them in a cell for the rest of their life. If you release them, they will rape again. Pedophiles cannot control there sexual urges. That is the point.

B) Release them from prison to have them rape again because of lack of self-control.

C) Castrate them and have them not rape again. This is inhumane but so is a child getting raped.

There is no idealogical answer. The universe is cruel, unfair and unjust. This is the lesson of life.

If not C and A then how do you propose we find a solution to the problem of kids getting raped. They will rape again because if even if they might not want to have sex with underage kids they will do so anyway because of lack of self-control. If you chose B then you think that a pedophiles right to reproduce is more important than a child getting raped. I would have chose C because I care more about the children than about the pedophile. I would rather a pedo not be able to reproduce than having pedos rape kids. You silly idealogical answers mean nothing. Its an unfair world.

Frankly, you and RepiV don't have a clue about what you're talking about. This is so god damn ridiculous I don't even know where to start.

A) Stick them in a cell for the rest of their life. If you release them, they will rape again. Pedophiles cannot control there sexual urges. That is the point.

Do you have some inability to control your urges? Then why would you think that anyone else couldn't?

How about if someone starts a fist fight with another person, then that person can never change? From then on, he cannot be trusted in society because he can't help it? Some people have trouble controlling their anger and rage, but that doesn't mean they will never get a handle on it.

B) Release them from prison to have them rape again because of lack of self-control.

In America, it's 20 years for having sex with a minor. I'm guessing 10 years on good behavior if they deem you safe to release. (if you convince the panel). It's probably more time for a pre-pubescent child, and that's assuming you didn't harm them in any way, else the punishment gets extremely severe.

Sure some people can't/won't change, but you think that this will never teach someone a lesson? They had sex with a minor, therefore if they are entered into society they will do it again, no matter what, right?

I personally spent 30 days in prison and I damn sure knew I was never doing that shit again. People can be reformed, believe it.

C) Castrate them and have them not rape again. This is inhumane but so is a child getting raped.

There is no idealogical answer. The universe is cruel, unfair and unjust. This is the lesson of life.

I would have chose C because I care more about the children than about the pedophile. I would rather a pedo not be able to reproduce than having pedos rape kids.

I laughed at this part. Wow.

 

[13LACKBISHOP]

How about if someone starts a fist fight with another person, then that person can never change? From then on, he cannot be trusted in society because he can't help it? Some people have trouble controlling their anger and rage, but that doesn't mean they will never get a handle on it.

You can't compare a fist fight to having sex with a minor. After a fist fight you could could think "that was wrong". "I should have not hit that guy". When you rape a child you might think( edit whoops) "oh dear, that was a mistake", "I should'nt have done that" despite knowing that they were doing wrong while and before the crime was taking place. A murderer most of the time has a motive for what he does for example getting angry and stabbing someone however a pedophile knows what they are doing is wrong but will do it anyway because they can't help themselves or just don't care.

Do you have some inability to control your urges? Then why would you think that anyone else couldn't?

Are you saying that if I can control my urges everyone else can?

Sure some people can't/won't change, but you think that this will never teach someone a lesson? They had sex with a minor, therefore if they are entered into society they will do it again, no matter what, right?


I personally spent 30 days in prison and I damn sure knew I was never doing that shit again. People can be reformed, believe it.

Maybe. Maybe not. How do you know that a pedophile will give into his urges a second time and rape again. How do you know? Its unpredictable. With a murderer you have at least some way of knowing if he will do it again.

Laivasse I will answer your post when I am home from school. Short on time.

 

[VirusType2]

You can't compare a fist fight to having sex with a minor.

I compared arousal to rage. Both are emotions that some people have less control over and do something they (may or may not) regret.

After a fist fight you could could think "that was wrong". "I should have not hit that guy". When you rape a child you might think( edit whoops) "oh dear, that was a mistake", "I should'nt have done that" despite knowing that they were doing wrong while and before the crime was taking place.

Right, and punching someone in the face, they didn't know that was wrong 'while and before the crime was taking place'? You aren't thinking this through. Whatever, forget the whole rage comparison.

A murderer most of the time has a motive for what he does for example getting angry and stabbing someone however a pedophile knows what they are doing is wrong but will do it anyway because they can't help themselves or just don't care.

You're wrong. Many of them don't feel like it is wrong if you've read any news about pedophiles. They think society is wrong. Think of the polygamists. However they could quite possibly be rehabilitated without removing a crucial part of their body.

A very rare amount of people (like the so called "Iceman") have mental problems where they don't have certain emotions like remorse, guilt, or a conscience. I'm not sure what the answer is for them, but this is a very rare disorder, thankfully.

For the ones that did know it was wrong, then we already have a head start for rehabilitation. They knew it was wrong, but did it anyway. Every situation is different, but the punishment should fit the crime.

OK, so 10 or 25 years in prison, released on probation where they are closely monitored, must announce to all their neighbors what they've done and they're listed as a sex offender. They are no longer permitted to be within a certain distance of a playground, a school, etc. The punishment is severe and lasts for a lifetime. This is all for not even physically harming a child. You don't think that's enough? Still want to remove their testicles - just to be sure?

Are you saying that if I can control my urges everyone else can?

No, I'm not. You said someone who has molested children can't control their urges, when in fact, they made the decision to act on them.

Aside from those with serious disabilities like epilepsy, have you ever heard of anyone ever who are not in control of their own body? Where do you get this stuff from? Urban legend?

Maybe. Maybe not. How do you know that a pedophile will give into his urges a second time and rape again. How do you know? Its unpredictable. With a murderer you have at least some way of knowing if he will do it again.

I don't know, and I never claimed to. How do you know they will? That's my point. You want to cut off part of his body as punishment.

"With a murderer" - what? You aren't making sense.

 

[Tagaziel]

You can't compare a fist fight to having sex with a minor. After a fist fight you could could think "that was wrong". "I should have not hit that guy". When you rape a child you might think( edit whoops) "oh dear, that was a mistake", "I should'nt have done that" despite knowing that they were doing wrong while and before the crime was taking place. A murderer most of the time has a motive for what he does for example getting angry and stabbing someone however a pedophile knows what they are doing is wrong but will do it anyway because they can't help themselves or just don't care.

You really don't have any idea what you're writing about.

Actual pedophiles, people sexually attracted exlusively to children (without getting into dividing them into grouphs, as this paraphilia is further divided into subgroups depending on the age of the child: infants, pre-schoolers, pre-pubescent children, pubescent etc.) are few and far in between. In most cases, the child is merely a substitute, an easily available replacement for regular intercourse partners, when the offender can't get any proper booty.

At other times, it's done purely out of the desire to dominate and assert the power over the victim.

Each case is individual and should be treated differently. There is a chance that the person will not be a repeat offender (case in point: Roman Polanski, David Bowie) and as such is of no harm to society. Under your rule, they'd be dragged out in the street and shot, which, frankly, is an atrocity.

Are you saying that if I can control my urges everyone else can?

The burden of proof is on you, since you were the first to claim that sex offenders cannot control their urges.

Maybe. Maybe not. How do you know that a pedophile will give into his urges a second time and rape again. How do you know? Its unpredictable. With a murderer you have at least some way of knowing if he will do it again.

See, this is why psychology and psychiatry have been developing steadily for the past centuries, to give us a tool to gauge that likelihood.

 

[Qonfused]

The responses in this thread are hair-pullingly frustrating.

Chemical castration as a way of punishment or crime deterrence is inhumane in every way. How this is acceptable is a testament about how the media has wrongly portrayed pedophiles over and over again as a group of barbarians, not people with mental disorders. It's ****ing ridiculous.

Before anyone else posts in favor of this policy, please do some research on pedophilia itself. Educate yourself and see that there is scientific proof that pedophilia has roots in the brain like homosexuality does. It's not a choice for those true pedophiles. Learning about the topic you're arguing for/against is the best thing you can do. And maybe after wards you won't sound like a complete asshole.

 

[VirusType2]

I believe that overly harsh penalties would turn many people (that may have been reformed) into Clyde Barrows'. (Bonnie and Clyde). He felt he had been unjustly punished in the past.

Really, I mean can you imagine getting 25 years in prison and having your manhood removed because some dumb 14 year old skank kissed you, but you rejected her or whatever so she lied and set you up? I can't imagine he would just let it go.

 

[CptStern]

I dont know what to think about this issue. I'm pretty meh about the fate of convicted pedos ...and then this just made the recent news here in canada:


TLDR: Bishop behind $15 million settlement for children sexually abused by priests from his diocese caught with child pornography

"Raymond Lahey, 69, resigned from his post with the Roman Catholic diocese of Antigonish on the weekend before news of the charges became public knowledge on Wednesday.

Police say Lahey was sent for a secondary examination at the Ottawa airport as he was returning from a foreign country on Sept. 15.

Ottawa police said in a news release that border services searched his laptop and "found images ... that were of concern."

The laptop and other media devices were seized by border guards.

"The forensic examination of the computer and media later revealed child pornography," the release says.

He was released at the airport pending further investigations and police say a warrant was issued for the arrest of Lahey when charges were laid on Friday.

Anthony Mancini, the Archbishop of Halifax, said he spoke briefly with Lahey on his cellphone earlier Wednesday after learning of the charges through the media, but he doesn't know where he is."

hopefully hanging from the highest rafter

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hFkwpncor_LYtze3TxF1KM6AmXTA



perhaps canada wil also adopt chemical castration for mother****ing PRIESTS

 

[Tagaziel]

perhaps canada wil also adopt chemical castration for child****ing PRIESTS

Fixed.

 

[CptStern]

no, I meant ALL priests not just the child ****ing ones

 

[15357]

I believe that overly harsh penalties would turn many people (that may have been reformed) into Clyde Barrows'. (Bonnie and Clyde). He felt he had been unjustly punished in the past.

Really, I mean can you imagine getting 25 years in prison and having your manhood removed because some dumb 14 year old skank kissed you, but you rejected her or whatever so she lied and set you up? I can't imagine he would just let it go.

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That just provided a whole new world of insight.

 

[CptStern]

just to be perfectly clear chemical castration does not involve the removal of penis

 

[VirusType2]

No doubt, but some of them were supporting castration. And I'm not sure if they realize that the testicles are the source of testosterone, which makes us ... well... men.

If someone could even hope to get a job upon leaving prison despite the stigma that goes with being a known child molester, imagine no longer being a man. I just don't think that is a good solution. I don't think carrying on being reintroduced to society will go so smoothly for them... That's not rehabilitation, that's a sex change, in a nutshell.

 

[The Monkey]

While I have little sympathy for child rapists, I am against this for the same reasons I'm against the death penalty. First off, there's always the issue of not being 100% sure that a guilty verdict is correct. But above all, I don't think that the state should take part in such barbaric practices. Surely we've reached higher on the cultural ladder than that?

 

[CptStern]

imagine no longer being a man. I just don't think that is a good solution. I don't think carrying on being reintroduced to society will go so smoothly for them... That's not rehabilitation, that's a sex change, in a nutshell.

I really dont care. the victem of their crimes are not afforded such considerations. and the whole idea behind chemical castration is that it's a preventative so that they wont reoffend. small price to pay for keeping their future victems safe. there's even pedos who have asked that they be chemically castrated because they cant control themselves

 

[Vegeta897]

it's a preventative so that they wont reoffend.

How? Being castrated prevents them from being able to grope or otherwise violate children?

 

[Acepilotf14]

My opinion is that

Spoiler

this thread is silly

.

 

[13LACKBISHOP]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration

Chemical castration is reversible and does not invove cutting of the guys general and two privates.

The right to reproduce is almost pointless for a pedo anyway because pedo's should not be fathering kids or be within ten meters of them so why does this matter. They could however reverse it so a pedo could have kids if the mother wanted to get pregnant that bad and keep him at distance but I very much doubt this would be a common occurrence. Keep him in contact with letters and e-mail but not go within a certain distance of the child. At worst they will not live a normal life and not be able to have sex with chemical castration. That's if at some point they don't decide to reverse it. So they could have kids but not go near them. This is in case they fall in love or whatever.

Under your rule, they'd be dragged out in the street and shot, which, frankly, is an atrocity.

Erm.. no? Can't get it up. Not shot. I do not believe that the death penalty is right.

See, this is why psychology and psychiatry have been developing steadily for the past centuries, to give us a tool to gauge that likelihood.

But clearly at this point in time it is not good enough.

OK, so 10 or 25 years in prison, released on probation where they are closely monitored, must announce to all their neighbors what they've done and they're listed as a sex offender. They are no longer permitted to be within a certain distance of a playground, a school, etc. The punishment is severe and lasts for a lifetime. This is all for not even physically harming a child. You don't think that's enough? Still want to remove their testicles - just to be sure?

Not removing testicles. Its reversible. Yes I do want to be sure. It can still happen. I want to be sure that kids are not getting raped. The effect wear of over time and it does not last a lifetime. Go look up some rates for pedo's reoffending if you have not done so already. They are to high in my opinion.

http://www.csom.org/pubs/recidsexof.html


This is worth a read.

The statistics on recidivism are way to high and I have had a look at quite a few websites. The chance that a pedo will reoffend increases with age.

Before anyone else posts in favor of this policy, please do some research on pedophilia itself. Educate yourself and see that there is scientific proof that pedophilia has roots in the brain like homosexuality does. It's not a choice for those true pedophiles. Learning about the topic you're arguing for/against is the best thing you can do. And maybe after wards you won't sound like a complete asshole.

Ye cannot complain about this.

I compared arousal to rage. Both are emotions that some people have less control over and do something they (may or may not) regret.

The point I was trying to make is that if you punch someone you may regret it and not do it again. If you decide to punch someone it could be because you are angry and don't think. Next time you think and calm down. If you are a pedo you know what you are doing is wrong or what you are about to do but instead of not doing it you give in to your urges. Most pedo's have a choice to resist temptation but do not have the willpower to make the right choice unlike anger where you are not in control and cannot think clearly. These people lack self-disipline and self-control. The other pedo's do not care about what they are doing and do not bother to control themselves they do not even think to resist. There is not much you can do about these people. They are to selfish to care. They repeat again and again and do not care. The ones that do care carry on because they are unable to stop.

No, I'm not. You said someone who has molested children can't control their urges, when in fact, they made the decision to act on them.

If they are one of the few who do not care about what they do and just indulge in whatever makes them happy. The people who made the decision to act upon there urges and do care do so because they do not have the willpower to make the right decision.

You're wrong. Many of them don't feel like it is wrong if you've read any news about pedophiles. They think society is wrong. Think of the polygamists. However they could quite possibly be rehabilitated without removing a crucial part of their body.

They need MAJOR help if they think that.

There have been pedo's that have volunteered for chemical castration because they know they will not be able to resist.

"Raymond Lahey, 69, resigned from his post with the Roman Catholic diocese of Antigonish on the weekend before news of the charges became public knowledge on Wednesday.

Police say Lahey was sent for a secondary examination at the Ottawa airport as he was returning from a foreign country on Sept. 15.

Ottawa police said in a news release that border services searched his laptop and "found images ... that were of concern."

The laptop and other media devices were seized by border guards.

"The forensic examination of the computer and media later revealed child pornography," the release says.

He was released at the airport pending further investigations and police say a warrant was issued for the arrest of Lahey when charges were laid on Friday.

Anthony Mancini, the Archbishop of Halifax, said he spoke briefly with Lahey on his cellphone earlier Wednesday after learning of the charges through the media, but he doesn't know where he is."

Its always the holy men.

I really dont care. the victem of their crimes are not afforded such considerations. and the whole idea behind chemical castration is that it's a preventative so that they wont reoffend. small price to pay for keeping their future victems safe. there's even pedos who have asked that they be chemically castrated because they cant control themselves

I feel the same way.

WELL imma takin a break. I will leave everyone to foam at the mouth and pull there hair out. I'm hungry.

 

[CptStern]

How? Being castrated prevents them from being able to grope or otherwise violate children?

yes, it affects their sexual desire

Chemical castration is the administration of medication designed to reduce libido and sexual activity

 

[Vegeta897]

Pedos are controlled by Satan don't you know that?

Castration will not stop them.

 

[VirusType2]

double post sorry

 

[VirusType2]

At first you supported physical castration, and now you change it to chemical. If you change what you are arguing about, we can't have an effective discussion.

I'm tired of it. I don't get paid for this. (would be cool) I'll just address one thing.

Put it this way - why in the world would you think that someone attracted to children would necessarily be attracted to his own children. Does that mean regular men are are attracted to their 18, 25 and 30 year old daughters? What in the world were you thinking?

 

[Tagaziel]

Chemical castration is reversible and does not invove cutting of the guys general and two privates.

But it has disastrous consequences on the psyche, vide Alan Turing.

Imagine being wrongfully convicted and castrated.

The right to reproduce is almost pointless for a pedo anyway because pedo's should not be fathering kids or be within ten meters of them so why does this matter. They could however reverse it so a pedo could have kids if the mother wanted to get pregnant that bad and keep him at distance but I very much doubt this would be a common occurrence. Keep him in contact with letters and e-mail but not go within a certain distance of the child. At worst they will not live a normal life and not be able to have sex with chemical castration. That's if at some point they don't decide to reverse it. So they could have kids but not go near them. This is in case they fall in love or whatever.

You still don't have any idea what you're talking about, you're foaming and spitting venom without knowing anything about the issue, besides the popular folk tales and urban myths.

Erm.. no? Can't get it up. Not shot. I do not believe that the death penalty is right.

So you don't believe in the death penatlty, but support chemical mutilation.

But clearly at this point in time it is not good enough.

And what do you base it on? Your imagination?

 

[Raziaar]

yes, it affects their sexual desire

If they were only affected by sexual desire, I might believe it'd have some affect and they' simply stop altogether. However, they suffer from a criminal mentality as well! There are sexual predators out there who have not been able to get any sort of sexual gratification due to various medical reasons, but they still got a mental euphoria out of their twisted actions.