Pope attacks atheism

[Ravioli]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3935043


A great refute video by TheAmazingAtheist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXLt3Y7mj98

 

[The Monkey]

Is anyone suprised by this? He is the leader of the biggest religious organization in the world, after all.

 

[Kaptain H]

New Pope is pretty annoying. The standpoint doesn't really surprise me, but he always seems to be pointing fingers.

 

[PvtRyan]

Something Sam Harris wrote:

2) Atheism is responsible for the greatest crimes in human history.

People of faith often claim that the crimes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were the inevitable product of unbelief. The problem with fascism and communism, however, is not that they are too critical of religion; the problem is that they are too much like religions. Such regimes are dogmatic to the core and generally give rise to personality cults that are indistinguishable from cults of religious hero worship. Auschwitz, the gulag and the killing fields were not examples of what happens when human beings reject religious dogma; they are examples of political, racial and nationalistic dogma run amok. There is no society in human history that ever suffered because its people became too reasonable.

The problem with the Marxists of the 20th century is not that they were too atheistic, but ironically too much like religious extremists.

 

[Eejit]

Oh wow! Next thing you know atheists will attack religion!

Oh wait, they both insult each other and blame each other for genocides etc. constantly!


Yawn.

 

[Krynn72]

That guy is a twat, and so is the pope, and I stopped watching the video once the stupid ass music started.

 

[Ravioli]

That guy is a twat, and so is the pope, and I stopped watching the video once the stupid ass music started.

if you had continued to watch you would just have seen that he listed these things

-The catholic church explicity expressed favor with slavery between 1836-1839 which caused the deaths of 17 million innocent africans.

-Pope innocent VIII authored a "decleration against whiches" that led to countless deaths in the 15th and 16th century

-The crusades, 1 million NON-COMBATANT Civilians killed

-The inquisition, 350.000 innocents killed

-participation in the Rawanda Ethnic Cleansings

-Continous support for the bloody regime in Zimbabwe

-Support for the Croation Genocide of the Serbs

-Pius XII suspicious relationship with Adolf Hitler during the holocaust

-Condemnation of condoms which increases the spread of STDs and AIDS


which shows that he backs his statements up with facts and research, unlike the pope.

 

[Krynn72]

Oh, I know all about his arguments. Ive seen him before.

Whether or not hes right, hes still a twat. Others provide the same evidence and refrain from being twats.

 

[Ravioli]

Oh, I know all about his arguments. Ive seen him before.

Whether or not hes right, hes still a twat. Others provide the same evidence and refrain from being twats.

I agree, but that is what makes his videos amusing, hes a twat and he doesnt give a **** about anyone, he doesnt care if people think hes a twat, he continously makes himself look like one and makes fun of himself.


A fat twat who makes fun of himself while providing good true points about things is amusing to watch, atleast for me

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Let's face it, most people are twats.

 

[Krynn72]

I agree, but that is what makes his videos amusing, hes a twat and he doesnt give a **** about anyone, he doesnt care if people think hes a twat, he continously makes himself look like one and makes fun of himself.


A fat twat who makes fun of himself while providing good true points about things is amusing to watch, atleast for me

Ehh, im not a big fan of twats. Well... the metaphorical kind.

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

He's just saying what most Catholics think. If that popular Scientist and atheist who someone says is "a trusted friend in science" as a sig said that all religions have caused world problems, you'd all agree and most religious people would be upset.


Things never change.

 

[HunterSeeker]

Well.

Deus Vult!

 

[kupocake]

Others provide the same evidence and refrain from being twats.

And they generally don't sway from side to side like they're busting to drop a family of Poovians off at the Shit-Clinic. Oh Internet, why do you give these people a voice?

Can you imagine how much shit would be kicked up if the Pope had said this about an actual belief system? I think that alone goes to show why he misses the mark. He can say what he likes about Atheism, because at the end of the day, the bad eggs who'd identify themselves as Atheists would not be specifically offended. Atheism is a coincidence among the beliefs of extreme political groups. Disbelief in god does not motivate crimes in the same way that belief in something has evidently done through history, and no Atheist would retaliate in the same way that faiths would to his words.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Meh, he's the Pope, I don't have any respect for him as it is.

 

[Tagaziel]

Incoming.

Said that...

-Pius XII suspicious relationship with Adolf Hitler during the holocaust

That guy is a ****ing moron. Unless he thinks that actively opposing Hitler while living in the middle of his best ally's country is a great, reasonable idea.

Both sides are twats with an agenda.

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

why? are you hating him because completely different people in the past abused the position?

ANd why exactly is Pious annoying Hitler dumb? I'd call it brave.

 

[Asknoone]

I'd boo the Pope. :arms:

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

But I don't get it WHY?

 

[Ravioli]

But I don't get it WHY?

because HE blamed atheism to be the cause of such things.

 

[nurizeko]

Lets see, logic, reason, scientific method and technological ahcievement, essentially all of Human genuine achievement, AKA ATHEISM has brought humanity from slack jawed shit chucking homonids to being able to create mathematical models of the distant universe and the depths of time. It has given us the technology NOT to die to what we these days think of as fairly common and untroubling, and religion....well....religion speaks for itself.

An unfortunate side effect of our climb from mindless animals to self aware entities, and hopefully in the grand scheme of the human race it wont long last beyond our own deaths.

Thank ****.


Cool vid to, I kinda liked the music though...amIgoing2hell?

 

[Tagaziel]

why? are you hating him because completely different people in the past abused the position?

I see your brain is late for it's routine maintenance check.

I don't hate. I don't like the guy because he's an annoying, self righteous wanker with a messianic complex. And he doesn't even look good.

ANd why exactly is Pious annoying Hitler dumb? I'd call it brave.

There's a thin line between bravery and epic stupidity. Annoying Hitler when living in his proximity is like shoving a firecracker up a lion's arse. Stupid and not needed.

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

I don't hate. I don't like the guy because he's an annoying, self righteous wanker with a messianic complex. And he doesn't even look good.

And who isn't self righteous and bad looking? Most people on here, including me, act like they know the secrets of the universe.

because HE blamed atheism to be the cause of such things.

And most atheists would blame religion. It's a never ending argument that makes my faith in humanity bar drop lower and lower.

And nurizeko, the great amounts of things made from man kind can be split straight down the middle to people of faith or secularism who made them.

 

[delusional]

Lets see, logic, reason, scientific method and technological ahcievement, essentially all of Human genuine achievement, AKA ATHEISM has brought humanity from slack jawed shit chucking homonids to being able to create mathematical models of the distant universe and the depths of time.

Umm, it wasn't just atheists, many were deists or unitarians, God believing people.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

Ermm... so? He's the pope, it's his job. Sure, it'd be cool if he was tolerant, free-minded and all that but... come on, he's the pope!

 

[Tagaziel]

And who isn't self righteous and bad looking? Most people on here, including me, act like they know the secrets of the universe.

I'm good looking and only occassionally self righteous.

Lets see, logic, reason, scientific method and technological ahcievement, essentially all of Human genuine achievement, AKA ATHEISM has brought humanity from slack jawed shit chucking homonids to being able to create mathematical models of the distant universe and the depths of time.

I don't know what you're smoking, but it must be illegal.

Science isn't atheism, atheism isn't science. Even rocket science.

 

[Ravioli]

And who isn't self righteous and bad looking? Most people on here, including me, act like they know the secrets of the universe.


And most atheists would blame religion. It's a never ending argument that makes my faith in humanity bar drop lower and lower.

true, but ever given a thought WHY? Because its the truth, we can back it up with history, facts, evidence, proof in our claims and blames, they can not. They blame us but based on what evidence?

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Well, I can show proof and claims to prove my point. If both sides have equal proofs that are unendingly argued over weather or not they are true, the argument shall go on for ever until a time machine is made to see which is true. Both sides = shit which is why I stand in the middle ground laughing.

Ermm... so? He's the pope, it's his job. Sure, it'd be cool if he was tolerant, free-minded and all that but... come on, he's the pope!

I believe the pope believes in evolution and pretty much everything science teaches. That isn't open minded? Sure he isn't John Paul 2, but he's close.

 

[Ravioli]

Well, I can show proof and claims to prove my point. If both sides have equal proofs that are unendingly argued over weather or not they are true, the argument shall go on for ever until a time machine is made to see which is true. Both sides = shit which is why I stand in the middle ground laughing.



I believe the pope believes in evolution and pretty much everything science teaches. That isn't open minded? Sure he isn't John Paul 2, but he's close.

Then please, provide your proof that atheism has caused more cruelty and injustice than catholicism has.

 

[kirovman]

In the immortal words of Joseph Stalin: "The Pope! How many divisions has he got?"

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Then please, provide your proof that atheism has caused more cruelty and injustice than catholicism has.

Where did this come up from? Atheism has done just as many evils to the world as religion has done.

 

[kirovman]

Atheism has done evils to the world? I can't think of a single example.

It's like saying that apathy has been extremely proactive this year.

 

[HunterSeeker]

No evil has been done in the name of atheism, ever. Has evil been done by atheists? Yes, but never in the name of atheism.

Well, probubly small cases involving madmen but nothing major like genocide.

 

[Saruke]

Something christians and athiests alike don't seem to realize is that we're always going to have hate and anger in this world. These emotions are hardwired into our very soul so if we did get rid of religion or we got rid of athiesm people would still be cruel to one another for some other reason.

So let's try to strip away all the hate and negativity that has been piled upon athiesm and christianity and look at them objectively.

Athiesm says that there's no guy up in the sky watchin our back and helpin us out and that we should focus on the here and now instead of getting caught up in 2000 year old myths.

Christianity says that there is hope and justice in this world and that those who do good will be rewarded and those who do evil will be punished. it provides a sense of right and wrong in a hectic and scary world.

I know someone's going to accuse me of being pro-christian or pro-athiesm but that's not what I'm trying to do here. I'm trying to show you that both beliefs have their merits and shouldn't be attacked for any reason. Reasonable civil discuission is the only way to go.

As for the pope well he's just a man and men say stupid stuff.

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Yes, atheism has done evils. But you'd just say that they were not done in the name of atheism. I can give you a perfect example of this never ending argument:

I say: Stalin killed people as an atheist

You say: Not done in name of atheism.

You say: Pope killed Muslims and Jews as Christian.

I say: Pope was Italian. Protecting Italian interests of trade. Exactly like how Bush invaded for Oil.


ARGUMENT NEVER ENDS

 

[Jintor]

Yes, atheism has done evils. But you'd just say that they were not done in the name of atheism. I can give you a perfect example of this never ending argument:

I say: Stalin killed people as an atheist

You say: Not done in name of atheism.

You say: Pope killed Muslims and Jews as Christian.

I say: Pope was Italian. Protecting Italian interests of trade. Exactly like how Bush invaded for Oil.


ARGUMENT NEVER ENDS

...except your point is wrong?

Atheism doesn't encourage pointless slaughtering of blah blah blah. Religion does.

Christianity says that there is hope and justice in this world and that those who do good will be rewarded and those who do evil will be punished. it provides a sense of right and wrong in a hectic and scary world.

If your moral code is based on fear you might as well just shoot yourself right now.

 

[Saruke]

Wow, your all just too angry to listen to reason.
I feel sorry for you.

 

[kirovman]

Stalin killed in the name of Communism or the integrity of Russia or whatever. Yes, his reasons were probably pragmatic, as with the Pope.
The only reason for official atheism was to curb the power of religious institutions over people that the Soviets considered their own.
It was communist dogma that did that, which is a mirror of religious dogma.

I doubt very much that Stalin placed an absence of the belief of God in the front of his mind when he gave his orders. I think connecting Stalin's murderings to atheism is very tenuous at best.

On the other hand, religion frequently preaches that we should judge people and the holy books explicitly mention killing of people who do not adhere to religious doctrine.
There are no atheist equivalent scriptures. And there is no united atheist front either, trying to push their absence of belief of God on others, there is no atheist code that atheists live by. There are small pockets, maybe, but it's nothing compared to the vast scale of organised religion. Indeed, most atheists do not even think about their status as atheists, until confronted by religion itself.

 

[Absinthe]

Yes, atheism has done evils. But you'd just say that they were not done in the name of atheism. I can give you a perfect example of this never ending argument:

I say: Stalin killed people as an atheist

You say: Not done in name of atheism.

I could commit atrocities in the name of cheese, but that wouldn't make the ****ing dairy industry in any way responsible for my actions. Atheism has done no evil to the world. His skewed morals were not derived from an absence of god belief. How could they have been? Name one moral instruction that atheism gives. You can't. This is because atheism is not a religion, nor is it an ideology, a worldview, or anything like. It is just not having belief.

Stalin also had a moustache. Does this mean that facial hair is a sign of evil madness? That's the train of logic you're following. So give it a rest with the "evils of atheism" shit.

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

All of your thoughts are valid. But last I checked, I can counter your arguments toward Christians slaughtering people in just the same matter. Most all religious conflict has money driving them.

Crusades - Italian trade.
Inquisition - Making one religion the only one so that everyone thinks the same way and everyone happily does as the king says, and in doing so, happily conquer lands for economic growth.

Goes on and on. Name a religious conflict, I can probably find money gaining as the means for which is driving it.

Faith is all too often used as a money gaining means for the upper authority. Just so as with Communism. No religion = no new ideas, which = happily doing what your told.

I'm for multiple religions working in conjuncture with each other to inspire new ideas for the progress of man kind.

Capitalistic region FTW.