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[Tr0n]

Tr0n, i didnt say anything about not loving people who are gay,im just saying its not the way to get into heaven. its not god's plan for us.

and even if it is impossible to become instantly straight, it is possible with time. sexuality is adaptive.

Oh and you think gods plan which has been laid out in a book that was created by a bunch of cardinals in some dark room a long time ago that has been altered over the hundreds of years by kings/queens/rulers is right?

Oh and btw I use to be a christian and yes I do still believe in god.There is nothing wrong with another gay person loving another gay person or having sex with each other as long as:

A.)They don't betray the other
B.)They follow the 10 commandments (which is basically what most prophets like ghandi and muhammad teach.)

Now if they start going around screwing others and doing every damn sin you can do...then yea I don't think they would get into heaven, but if they do follow gods will and love/help others and do all those great things then I think they will get into heaven.

Edit: About the prophet thing...I'm talking about what the 10 commandments speak of.

 

[litleshortarse]

contradicting yourself a little arent you?
on one hand your telling me sexuality is not adaptive. so being straight, i wudnt be able to become homosexual, and then ur telling me to go out and become homosexual...... which you just said was impossible.

I really don't think the excuse "I cudn't help it" is going to get someone into heaven.

people arent expected to be perfect. everybody sins. but thats no excuse for a person to live their life as a gay person and then accept to be accepted into heaven as far as i can see.
they should try as best they can to become straight, I'm sure in time the homosexual feelings will fade if the person wants them to enough.

 

[Tr0n]

people arent expected to be perfect. everybody sins. but thats no excuse for a person to live their life as a gay person and then accept to be accepted into heaven as far as i can see.
they should try as best they can to become straight, I'm sure in time the homosexual feelings will fade if the person wants them to enough.

Well you can't see that far sadly.

 

[litleshortarse]

Tr0n, a christian living their life as a christian would accept the bible as the word of god.

you can't really pick what parts of the bible to abide by and what not to...

 

[Tr0n]

Tr0n, a christian living their life as a christian would accept the bible as the word of god.

you can't really pick what parts of the bible to abide by and what not to...

Actually you can...hell what do you know about being christian...come here live with my grandma.She'll teach you some things.

Now how is a book the word of god when it was created by humans; which those humans got a bunch of pages written by many other men 200 years before them?

You need to study a little bit of history my friend.

Tip of the day: You also know that the cardinals didn't orignally want to add revelations to the bible because there was so much damnation and suffering in it.

 

[Absinthe]

contradicting yourself a little arent you?
on one hand your telling me sexuality is not adaptive. so being straight, i wudnt be able to become homosexual, and then ur telling me to go out and become homosexual...... which you just said was impossible.

That test was meant to show you that it's impossible.

I really don't think the excuse "I cudn't help it" is going to get someone into heaven.

Fine. Then God's an asshole for allowing people to be gay and then punishing them for it. And if I can't trust him to be as moral as I am, then I don't want to be a part of his heaven.

people arent expected to be perfect. everybody sins. but thats no excuse for a person to live their life as a gay person and then accept to be accepted into heaven as far as i can see.
they should try as best they can to become straight, I'm sure in time the homosexual feelings will fade if the person wants them to enough.

All you're doing is demonstrating how ignorant to this issue you really are.

 

[Absinthe]

you can't really pick what parts of the bible to abide by and what not to...

People do it every day.

The Bible is so full of mixed messages and contradictions that people have no choice but to pick and choose, really.

 

[Tr0n]

People do it every day.

The Bible is so full of mixed messages and contradictions that people have no choice but to pick and choose, really.

Agreed.

Now I do agree that some things in the bible is true and did happen, but most of it is metaphors to follow.It's suppose to be used to teach some of the guidelines on how to live a good life...not to be taken seriously to the point of no return and want to start wars over it.

If you can't see that then you are blind.

 

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[baxter]

Tr0n, a christian living their life as a christian would accept the bible as the word of god.

you can't really pick what parts of the bible to abide by and what not to...

The bible is not the word of God; it was published 400 years after the death of Christ by a Roman empirer. It is NOT a fax from god himself,believe it or not, it was actually written by men.

What parts of the Bible do you believe? Jesus walked on water, Jesus turned water to wine, Jesus cured the terminally ill, spend 40 days and 40 nights out in the desert without food and water. Or maybe he was born through a virgin?

STOP quoting the bible to justify your intolerant, offensive beliefs, Have the balls to come out and say outright you disagree with gays. I would respect you more if you did so rather than hiding behind your stupid, sanctimonious,the bible says so beliefs

 

[Tr0n]

Correction 400 years...not 200.

Thanks baxter.

 

[KoreBolteR]

baxter, basically. christians + gay dont go together in my opinion. its believed that god has a will for people, being gay is nto part of it, marrying ppl of the other gender is, so christians who think gods will for them is to be gay, are wrong, because thats against his will for them!!! its quite simple really

so christians are homophobic? why cant sombody whos gay to whatever they want? shall they be slaves to these christians, who want them to adapt sexuality.. it doesnt make sense. so basically god is a homophobe... according to you

Bolter ur just being ridiculous,they teach RE so you'll understand other religions more which should lead to less trouble due to lack of understanding with other cultures and religions etc. its not as if they tried to force u into anything, and it was only 1 hour a week, i was in your class. and considering you had no interest in it, and from thigns you've said to me before now, you have no understanding of otehr religions whatsoever, what on earth are you doing trying to form decent arguments abotu it?!

why should i have to learn these other religions tho? its not going to get me anywhere, im not intrested in it Whatsoever!, and its a load of shit. litleshortarse, i had a C in RE for one reason only.. to bag an extra GCSE exam... now its over, i havnt thought about it since. SO you lecturing me on not knowing as much as i did is true, its because you are a christian yourself that you know everything, and im not, i cudnt give a shit about it tbh.

cptstern, its nto up to the pope to change the catholic religion and allow condoms. masterbation generally is off the limits as far as i know.

the abortion thing is all related to the condom thign, and all life beign sacred, ive already explained why it wasnt up to him, your argument "yes it is" isnt exactly a good one....

well, i dont agree with the united church then. ive never actually heard of it...

and the reason same sex marriage is mocking the religion. thats quite simple. marriage is all about the union between a man and a woman before god etc. thats the entire point of it, to use this religions tradition, and join 2 men before god, or 2 women, when the religion doesnt even agree with it, just doesnt make sense really.

why is masterbation agains the limits, its stupid, people enjoy it, and its not braking any human laws... so why try and prevent people from doing what they want too do!. Condoms are so you can physically make love to your sexual partner and be confident that your not going to have a child at the end of it.. cmon litleshortarse.. you must see that?.. ive known you for many years, and i thought you knew that?

as of now, im not posting again, its getting a little bit repetative, some of the comments (mostly from korebolter in this thread and on msn) show blatent lack of knowledge about christanity at all, so why argue? research it instead perhaps.

so let me get this straight... i need to research religion.. because i asked the question "why do all religious people have the faith in something they dont even know exists?!"..

theres no research in that m8.. its a simple question which no person can answer.
the only thing they can come up with is "we have a big faith in it, and we very much believe its true!, and thats fine with me.. but when you try and stop people from having abortians/being gay/wearing contraceptives, its just madness. saying "god" doesnt allow it, and you dont have proof that there is a "god".

thats all i have too say.

 

[CptStern]

Tr0n, a christian living their life as a christian would accept the bible as the word of god.

you can't really pick what parts of the bible to abide by and what not to...

really?


"Slaves you may possess, but make sure they are foreigners. You may also make slaves of the natives who dwell among you and from their children who are born and reared in your land. You may own them as chattels and leave them to your sons as their heriditary property, making them slaves forever. But you should not lord it over your own countryman, your own kinsmen." Leviticus. 25:44


Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. I Corinthians 14:34-35

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son ... Then shall his father and his mother ... bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.
-- Deuteronomy 21:18-21

If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
Leviticus 20:9


so in other words you own slaves, your wife/girlfriend doesnt say much, you will kill your son if he misbehaves and you may have to be put to death if you curse at your parents ...wow man that's a lot of rules to follow ...how do you keep up ....oh and where can I get some new slaves, I stoned the last one to death for speaking up in church

 

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[Pogrom]

why should i have to learn these other religions tho? its not going to get me anywhere, im not intrested in it Whatsoever!, and its a load of shit. litleshortarse, i had a C in RE for one reason only.. to bag an extra GCSE exam... now its over, i havnt thought about it since. SO you lecturing me on not knowing as much as i did is true, its because you are a christian yourself that you know everything, and im not, i cudnt give a shit about it tbh.

I went to Catholic schools for 13 years (primary and high schools).

In all of those years, we were forced to study religion. Not just Christianity (although we did spend the most time on that) but all world religions. And do you know what? I really enjoyed the way it rounded out my general knowledge and understanding of other people.

You may well ask why study geography or history? If all you want to do is computing or accounting or law, why study these extraneous subjects?

Because of the way it enriches your understanding of the wider world. Religious Studies is sort of like cultural studies mixed with history mixed with geography. You really gain an appreciation for how diverse the world is, and why the world has evolved the way it has.

You don't have to like it though. I didn't realise how much I learned from it until a couple of years after I graduated High School.

 

[KoreBolteR]

I went to Catholic schools for 13 years (primary and high schools).

In all of those years, we were forced to study religion. Not just Christianity (although we did spend the most time on that) but all world religions. And do you know what? I really enjoyed the way it rounded out my general knowledge and understanding of other people.

You may well ask why study geography or history? If all you want to do is computing or accounting or law, why study these extraneous subjects?

Because of the way it enriches your understanding of the wider world. Religious Studies is sort of like cultural studies mixed with history mixed with geography. You really gain an appreciation for how diverse the world is, and why the world has evolved the way it has.

You don't have to like it though. I didn't realise how much I learned from it until a couple of years after I graduated High School.

you are not representing the millions of kids who hate it and are forced through it. there are some that do like it.

i dont mind about the first 3 years of secondary school..fair enough, we do it the same as everyother subject (like history and geography)...

but then the 4th year i can drop subjects if i am not intrested in them. (lets face it, i have had 3 years to find out and make a decision). i can drop History, Geography, pretty much all the subjects.. but not Religious Education, which i have no interest in one bit!

i dont find Religious Education as important as Maths, English or Science.

 

[Pogrom]

you are not representing the millions of kids who hate it and are forced through it. there are some that do like it.

i dont mind about the first 3 years of secondary school..fair enough, we do it the same as everyother subject (like history and geography)...

but then the 4th year i can drop subjects if i am not intrested in them. (lets face it, i have had 3 years to find out and make a decision). i can drop History, Geography, pretty much all the subjects.. but not Religious Education, which i have no interest in one bit!

i dont find Religious Education as important as Maths, English or Science.

No no, I understand what you are saying. I myself didn't enjoy it at the time. As I said, it was only after leaving school that I was appreciative of it.

And while I can understand why you think English, Maths and Science are more important, think of this:

Those are really only important for finding a job. But Geography, History and Religious Studies are important for becoming a well-rounded human being.

It is a double standard though. I personally think that History should be compulsory all the way through (and this from someone who dropped History in the 2nd last year of High School!).

 

[KoreBolteR]

Maths english and science...Those are really only important for finding a job. But Geography, History and Religious Studies are important for becoming a well-rounded human being.

i agree , but that doesnt change the fact that i like geography and history and hate religious education.. and so do lots of other kids.

ive learn alot in these forums.. i didnt need 2 years of compulsory RE. these forums have made me understand more about the world, and in a sense, a well rounded human being...lol :imu: