Pope John Paul II dead

[KoreBolteR]

rest in peace.

they're thinking about replacing him with a 78 year old bishop or something...

why dont they replace him with a real hero.

any good person.

why is this man great... im not attacking catholics here.. but what has he done that deservs millions around the world crying and cheering this guy off.

i respect the guy.. but i say, if they are going to gather up in crowds for an 84 year old man, why dont they gather up for a firefighter who has saved many lives.. while risking his own life.

sorry if you take this the wrong way..
no offence intendid

 

[AntiAnto]

why dont they replace him with a real hero.

any good person.

why is this man great... im not attacking catholics here.. but what has he done that deservs millions around the world crying and cheering this guy off.

i respect the guy.. but i say, if they are going to gather up in crowds for an 84 year old man, why dont they gather up for a firefighter who has saved many lives.. while risking his own life.

sorry if you take this the wrong way..
no offence intendid

That is exactly my point. It's just symbolic.

 

[SenorDingDong]

why dont they replace him with a real hero.

any good person.

why is this man great... im not attacking catholics here.. but what has he done that deservs millions around the world crying and cheering this guy off.

i respect the guy.. but i say, if they are going to gather up in crowds for an 84 year old man, why dont they gather up for a firefighter who has saved many lives.. while risking his own life.

sorry if you take this the wrong way..
no offence intendid

how isnt he a good person? use google. He has done many things to bring Peace and unite people, give people hope etc. Its all symbolic as well.

 

[CptStern]

well the pope has done some good things ...for a pope. A few incidents in John pauls life that were questionable but overall he was a force for good, if not for change


rest in peace karol

 

[Calanen]

why dont they replace him with a real hero.

any good person.

why is this man great... im not attacking catholics here.. but what has he done that deservs millions around the world crying and cheering this guy off.

i respect the guy.. but i say, if they are going to gather up in crowds for an 84 year old man, why dont they gather up for a firefighter who has saved many lives.. while risking his own life.

sorry if you take this the wrong way..
no offence intendid

He really did practice what he preached. He forgave the guy who tried to kill him. Not an easy thing to do. They stayed in touch with letters and so on, and he visited him.

And he spoke out against the Soviet Empire, even when he visited those places, which was a dangerous thing to do. As he found out given they tried to assassinate him.

He was very devoted to his position and even when his health was failing him, still travelled and performed his duties. Most people retire at 65 or younger. Here is a guy in his 80s that was up until very recently around and about.

There is always perhaps someone you can point to and say they deserve more adulation. But he was a well liked Pope, he really did try hard to be a force for positive change in the world. I think its unlikely that Catholics will have a Pope that is so good, for a very long time.

 

[MarcoPollo]

why dont they replace him with a real hero.

any good person.

why is this man great... im not attacking catholics here.. but what has he done that deservs millions around the world crying and cheering this guy off.

i respect the guy.. but i say, if they are going to gather up in crowds for an 84 year old man, why dont they gather up for a firefighter who has saved many lives.. while risking his own life.

sorry if you take this the wrong way..
no offence intendid

You dont get out much do you?

 

[Sainku]

why dont they replace him with a real hero.

any good person.

why is this man great... im not attacking catholics here.. but what has he done that deservs millions around the world crying and cheering this guy off.

i respect the guy.. but i say, if they are going to gather up in crowds for an 84 year old man, why dont they gather up for a firefighter who has saved many lives.. while risking his own life.

sorry if you take this the wrong way..
no offence intendid

Anyone who knows anything about recent history knows that John Paul is a man to be admired even if you aren't catholic. For one thing he contributed greatly to the fall of communism. Just because I'm not religous isn't an excuse to be totally ignorant of the good this man has done.

Go here if you wish to know more about him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II

 

[Anoma|ous]

Thats just ironic. Please be careful with your opinions. Ignorance may be a bliss but it sure is damn costly.

 

[Calanen]

Thats just ironic. Please be careful with your opinions. Ignorance may be a bliss but it sure is damn costly.

Man if anyone needs to be careful with their opinions its you. Weren't you trying to tell us that the Indians rode on dinosaurs or something in another thread?

 

[Danimal]

Finally the man can rest. God bless him.

 

[Scotsman]

RIP John Paul II. I'm not religious but still had great respect for you.

 

[Anoma|ous]

The dinosaur thing wasn't my opinion it was some latest scientists' theory. And besides their ecology and extinction which is written in our text books are all theories anyway only these guys placed the puzzle real well that it contradicted traditional thinking. I read it and it was researched well but its gonna make a huge change in our history which some or should i say most would consider farce.

 

[satch919]

Im not a religious person but may he rest in peace. He did some good things for humanity. He tried to bring people with different religious backgrounds together.

He's just a man like you and I. The only thing different was the title.

 

[KoreBolteR]

He really did practice what he preached. He forgave the guy who tried to kill him. Not an easy thing to do. They stayed in touch with letters and so on, and he visited him.

And he spoke out against the Soviet Empire, even when he visited those places, which was a dangerous thing to do. As he found out given they tried to assassinate him.

He was very devoted to his position and even when his health was failing him, still travelled and performed his duties. Most people retire at 65 or younger. Here is a guy in his 80s that was up until very recently around and about.

There is always perhaps someone you can point to and say they deserve more adulation. But he was a well liked Pope, he really did try hard to be a force for positive change in the world. I think its unlikely that Catholics will have a Pope that is so good, for a very long time.

fair enough.

i respect him, but it doesnt bother me that hes dead. i knew of him, but i wasnt intrested in him.

obviously his fans are going to be sad. but i am no fan...

there are millions of people in the world who "dont care", that hes passed away.

EDIT: i basically have the opinions as satch. (above)

 

[Absinthe]

Who shall take up the wheel of the Pope mobile now?

 

[Kangy]

Yeah, the Pope Mobile is truly an awesome car indeed. It'd be worth being the Pope for that, I think.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Yeah, the Pope Mobile is truly an awesome car indeed. It'd be worth being the Pope for that, I think.

is it like the batmobile :upstare: ?

 

[MilkMan12]

well its about time. He finally gets to rest in peace. While I dont care for the catholic church I guess I feel sorry. So i hope a new pope gets elected soon with no turmoil. And i hope they pick one who wont blame everything on the Jews.

 

[MarcoPollo]

But it's ALWAYS the jews fault. Don't you see? (that was a joke for you thicker folks. Not thicker as in "Damn that girl has one thick booty!". Thicker as in "You must be thick to want to jump off a 1000ft bridge."

 

[CptStern]

well its about time. He finally gets to rest in peace. While I dont care for the catholic church I guess I feel sorry. So i hope a new pope gets elected soon with no turmoil. And i hope they pick one who wont blame everything on the Jews.

to be fair, john paul was the first pope to enter a synagogue, he was also the first pope to enter a mosque. He also publically apologised for the inquisition and the holocaust

 

[litleshortarse]

right. here i go.

korebolter -

"what has the pope done? nothing."

when u first posted that,somebody had already made a psot about how many good things hes doen, and u've repeated that point a few times, even though people have told you what he has done?! maybe read the thread before you make these posts?!

Baxter -

"And how did he improve your life?"

he hasnt improved my lfie at all, but hes improved the lives of millions of others, which makes him good, you can respect that hes a good man for helping millions of others whether he has helped u in particular or not surely?!

korebolter -

"maybe they are 'great men', but he wasnt that great to me. therefor, i will not mourn this mans death.

like i said before, im not an athiest. nor do i believe in any religion. i believe there is an afterlife, where you meet your passed over relatives. thats it.

there might be 'some' sort of god...(id like to believe there is one), but wheres the proof?"

proof, religion is all about faith m8, not evidence, wheres the proof in the afterlife you believe in? there isnt any, but you believe it regardless.

also somebody said

"I get a bit of a feeling that he seems a 'holier than thou' character though (as would be expected from the church). "

well, have any of you seem the video where another priest bow's tohim, and he tells him to stand? surely thats not wat a "holier than thou" person would do?


korebolter -

"the church is asking to ban abortions and contraceptives together?

why tho? its peoples choice..? i hate the way the church tries to use its power to do silly things like this.,"

well, as far as i know, im not positive about this as im not a catholic,im a born again christian. but I thought all catholics considered life sacred, which is why they dont use condoms because its destroying the creation of a lfie or somethign along thoselines, the life that could be created would be sacred, and its the samefor the abortion thing. so the pope can hardly say theyre ok, its not the catholic way.

 

[KoreBolteR]

right. here i go.
when u first posted that,somebody had already made a psot about how many good things hes doen, and u've repeated that point a few times, even though people have told you what he has done?! maybe read the thread before you make these posts?!.

yeh, hes walked around shaking leaders hands and urged peace for 28 years... its not what he has done, its what he symbolises thats made a big turnout.

he hasnt improved my lfie at all, but hes improved the lives of millions of others, which makes him good, you can respect that hes a good man for helping millions of others whether he has helped u in particular or not surely?!

like i said, i respect him, but im not gonna mourn for him..
he was nothing special to me.

proof, religion is all about faith m8, not evidence, wheres the proof in the afterlife you believe in? there isnt any, but you believe it regardless.

there is no proof about the afterlife... i have hope, not faith.
hope and faith are different. surely if you have faith you must know some concrete evidence to make you have faith in the firts place.
so litleshortarse, tell me that god exists. tell me jesus walked on water. tell me that god made me and the earth..

well, as far as i know, im not positive about this as im not a catholic,im a born again christian. but I thought all catholics considered life sacred, which is why they dont use condoms because its destroying the creation of a lfie or somethign along thoselines, the life that could be created would be sacred, and its the samefor the abortion thing. so the pope can hardly say theyre ok, its not the catholic way.

well if they say that mobile phones are bad cos its not the catholic way will all catholics stop using phones?
its just stupid...

basically its all "hope". all religion is "hope".
and none of us are right, we will never know the truth until we are all finally dead imo.

some have more hope and dedication than others... some just want to live thier lives.

 

[litleshortarse]

im not arguing with you again, ur arguments r just abismal,just like when we argue on msn. anyway.

yeh, hes walked around shaking leaders hands and urged peace for 28 years... its not what he has done, its what he symbolises thats made a big turnout.

regardless of what he was physically doing, he made a difference to millions of ppl, which makes him a great man, u dont have to physically carry ppl out of burning buildings to be a great man m8.

like i said, i respect him, but im not gonna mourn for him..
he was nothing special to me.

i dont expect you tomourn for him im just tryign to make you understand why it is a big deal for people.

there is no proof about the afterlife... i have hope, not faith.
hope and faith are different. surely if you have faith you must know some concrete evidence to make you have faith in the firts place.
so litleshortarse, tell me that god exists. tell me jesus walked on water. tell me that god made me and the earth..

no, faith is not based upon conrete evidence at all. hope is completely different to faith.

well if they say that mobile phones are bad cos its not the catholic way will all catholics stop using phones?
its just stupid...

basically its all "hope". all religion is "hope".
and none of us are right, we will never know the truth until we are all finally dead imo.

some have more hope and dedication than others... some just want to live thier lives.

ok well for example, if there was a religion against the use of mobile phones, that was one of the principle thigns of the religion, then true followers of the religion would be expected to try to not use mobile phones.. (wat on earth did u come up with mobilephones for?!)

 

[baxter]

he hasnt improved my lfie at all, but hes improved the lives of millions of others, which makes him good, you can respect that hes a good man for helping millions of others whether he has helped u in particular or not surely?!

You answered this question yourself; the question was related to individuals.
You could argue that the head of any large organisation has helped many people. The Chairman of BP employs thousands, pays wages, helps the world economy, does this mean he is a great person?
The pope has passed away and I feel sad for the passing of a fellow human being.
To me personally the head of the Catholic Church as had no bearing on my life or my values whatsoever.

 

[The Mullinator]

I certainly didn't agree with him on a few things he said and I am also agnostic. However I still have a huge amount of respect for him, even if he wasn't the Pope I would still respect the man alot. To anyone saying his passing is the same as the passing of any other individual I can tell you really didn't know much about him. Its not so much because he was Pope that made so many like and respect him. Its because of how he treated humanity and what he did and tried to do for it. He was not a normal human being in that sense.

As everyone has already said: may he rest in peace.

 

[litleshortarse]

baxter, i dont really know wat the point of what your saying is to be honest like.
im just trying to show the pope was a great man.
the chairman of the bp, helpling millions etc. is a great deed i suppose, but whether he is a great man or not depends alot on the motives, if it was all for personal gain by becoming rich and powerful then i wudnt consider this the same sort of act as the acts of the pope who dedicated his life to travelled the world to help the poor for no personal benefit.

 

[baxter]

The point I am making, I am actually employed by BP, they pay my wages, help me feed and cloth my family, help me pay my mortgage etc. Somebody who provides all this for me personally must be great; hence the Chairman of BP is a great person.
Absolute nonsense of course. The head of BP is no more a great person than I am. He has not helped me personally in anyway.
Neither as the Pope.
You are correct in the fact that he has helped many people all over the world, for no personal benefit to himself.
For me personally though, he has provided no inspiration whatsoever. He was simply a figurehead of the Catholic Church.

 

[litleshortarse]

well i agree with what your saying, all Im trying to point out to you is that is that the pope was a greatman, and you should be able to respect that, whether he has affected you in particular, or because hes helped millions of others.
If you do agree, then fair enough.

 

[Kangy]

My opinion is that... I'm feeling apathetic. His anti-contraceptive stance has caused a lot of poverty and aided the spread of many stds throughout Africa. However, his work on bringing other religions to peace and breaking down the oppression in Eastern Europe is very good.

 

[KoreBolteR]

well i agree with what your saying, all Im trying to point out to you is that is that the pope was a greatman, and you should be able to respect that, whether he has affected you in particular, or because hes helped millions of others.
If you do agree, then fair enough.

do you hate it the way people come round your doors to try and convert you into a religion?. neway.

litleshortarse.. the only point i had at the start was "i respect the pope, but im not going to mourn for a man that hasnt affected or done anything for me"

i understood that millions of people loved him anyway.. but thats just because hes the figurehead of thier faith


ill end with that.

 

[CptStern]

the jehovah's witnesses are NOT catholic

 

[KoreBolteR]

the jehovah's witnesses are NOT catholic

i know.. i mean religion in general...

ive seen catholics give out leaflets before..

and in the UK, they force you to take "religious studies"...

 

[kirovman]

Religious Studies...that's just a class once a week, until you leave school. To build awareness for religion, not to irritate you.


They don't force you, you could skive it if you wanted (I know I did ).

I've never been bothered by religious types before (except my next door neighbours - born again Christians - exactly the same as George W. Bush).

Talking to me about China:
"Those poor lost souls, I wish we could introduce them to Jesus"

 

[litleshortarse]

korebolter - someone gave u a leaflet. how aweful for you.
oh and the reason they do RE is so people understand other religions which in the end should lead to less arguments and misunderstandings etc. like RE lessons ever bothered you?! u sat next to me and we didnt do any work.

kirovman, what exactly is your problem with born again christians?

 

[CptStern]

"Talking to me about China:
"Those poor lost souls, I wish we could introduce them to Jesus""


I think that's reason enough

 

[Absinthe]

kirovman, what exactly is your problem with born again christians?

I don't think he really intended it to be a negative label.

But in my experience, most born again Christians I've met are fervent, loud, insane, and trying to convert/save you at every possible moment they can.

 

[litleshortarse]

what are you on about though? what about China? i dont understand at all.
absinthe, well u obviously havent met the same ones i have :/

 

[CptStern]

just bring up abortion, contraceptive, aids or same sex marriage, that's when the frothing begins

 

[litleshortarse]

alot of that isnt really related to born again christians tho. the aids stuff and contraceptives and abortion is all related to catholics, and the pope for not stopping the spread of it all by aids. well, if peoplereally wanted to listen to the pope then dont do the sort fot hings that spread aids, he cant decide that its ok to use contraceptives when this goes against their idea that "all life is sacred", ans thats also why they dont permit abortion, it was never up to the pope to decide that. oh and same sex marriage, if your gay, u clearly arent a christian, so why mock the religion in carrying out one of its traditions to join 2 people who arent even supposed to be together? - according to christian beliefs

 

[CptStern]

alot of that isnt really related to born again christians tho. the aids stuff and contraceptives and abortion is all related to catholics, and the pope for not stopping the spread of it all by aids. well, if peoplereally wanted to listen to the pope then dont do the sort fot hings that spread aids,

aids in africa is mostly caused by mal-nutrition ...HIV is caused through sex ..a simple condom would prevent aids ...there are 117 million catholics in africa ..the pope COULD have for the sake humanity said "use a freakin condom"

he cant decide that its ok to use contraceptives when this goes against their idea that "all life is sacred",

a condom? if you really believe that then masterbation is off limits as well

ans thats also why they dont permit abortion, it was never up to the pope to decide that.

yes it is

oh and same sex marriage, if your gay, u clearly arent a christian,

says who? the United chruch allows same sex marriage ..they're christian

so why mock the religion in carrying out one of its traditions to join 2 people who arent even supposed to be together? - according to christian beliefs

why is it mocking religion? why is it anyones business what people do in their private lives? ..seriously christianity needs to get out of the stone age and modernize, or be left behind