Popular Stupid Myths Number 1: Religion kills people!

Yes, because of politics they fight wars, guess what fueled politics back in the medieval ages? (and currently in some of the muslim countries)

Politics have a long history of using religion to control the people.
Saying religion doesn't kill people is not really true, sure, guns don't kill people either, but there would be a hell less lot of dead people without it.

But you're right that religion isn't evil and it's merely an excuse to kill.
 
the world is full of ancient religions which no longer serve any purpose on our planet because they r based on fear instead of love
 
Rupertvdb said:
But the persecution of an entire group of people that only have one thing in common, their religion, cannot be seen as not involving religion. Their choice of religion and their continued faith in it meant that they were persecuted.
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It wasn't just Jews, it was minorities.
 
ComradeBadger said:
They died becuase of an ideaology, it had very little to do with religion, it was racial and social.
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Badger, religion is an ideaology portrayed through actions, what makes someone religious is there actions in occordance to their beliefs. For example, i can believe in Jesus, but im not considered religious unless i go to church every sunday and read the bible. But just because i dont do them things, does that make me any less religious? i still hold the ideaology...and i can still use this belief to guide my life.
 
moppe said:
That, and I don't belive in God.
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I feel the same way. I just believe that when you die, your body decomposes and you cease to excist. Nothing more.
 
B.Calhoun said:
I feel the same way. I just believe that when you die, your body decomposes and you cease to excist. Nothing more.
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How very boring...


Personally... I dont know what to think about religion..



BUT, I do agree that war is the excuse for alot of wars and not neccesserally the cause. :)
 
ComradeBadger said:
I hear it all the time:

Religion is bad, becuase people fight wars for it..

Put simply, you're talking bollocks

Ok, people have been killed in the name of religion. But how many people have been killed in the name of Politics? The number skyrockets into the multimillions.

Face it, people find excuses for wars etc, religion has nothing to do with it.

Flame me.
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Actually your so far wrong Badger about the politics thing that if I was you I'd delete this entire thread and forget you ever posted it, it's an embarassment to your character.
 
I agree with Mr. Badger.

I also think the gun debate falls under this. Guns dont kill people, people kill people.
 
I agree, with Badger,, it's most definately not directly linked atall.

but if you look at the physcological aspect of it, it may lead to eventuality's that fuel aggression where people infact do kill people with weapon's or violence of some sort.

to be honest I dont think the phraise 'religion kill's people' is appropriate, it's more of a play on word's, and perhaps could be interpreted as something not totally literal (no one said you had to take the phraise literally, just so many assume so) .
 
badger just out of interest, what was it that caused you to post this? if it's too much of a prying question then no worries. but it's not often i stumble accross a thread where good ol' badger is upset/pissed off/frustrated about something.
 
Got a bit annoyed about some peons talking about religion, so I set them right, and decided to make a thread on it :)
 
ComradeBadger said:
I hear it all the time:

Religion is bad, becuase people fight wars for it..

Put simply, you're talking bollocks

Ok, people have been killed in the name of religion. But how many people have been killed in the name of Politics? The number skyrockets into the multimillions.

Face it, people find excuses for wars etc, religion has nothing to do with it.

Flame me.
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It all goes back to religion in many ways. The holocaust, the crusades, today's situation with muslim extremists. Yeah, theres other reasons, communism for example, but religion is a biggie out there, and it causes seperation. Seperation and disagreement from such is the main cause of about all wars.

edit: and CB, you don't know everything :)
 
beliefs r a very dangerous thing
ideas r much better, they can change and adapt

by the way badger, u couldn't be more wrong, religion separates people and splits them into groups who all think they that they r correct, which breeds hatred for the groups which u r not a part of. this is what kills people.
 
Religion is always going to be a part of everything, unless everyone suddenly becomes atheistic.

The cold-war had "godless commies".
Terrorists are motivated by religious extremism.
Bush calls the war on terror a "crusade".
The actual crusades were religious, obviously.
WWII, Hitler persecutes religious minorites.
Even when religion isn't the direct cause of the fighting, soldiers fight for god and country.

When almost the entire world is religious, religion is always going to be a factor.
 
Eventually people will develop into more intelligent beings, realize the truth, and religion will disappear.
 
DoctorGordon said:
Eventually people will develop into more intelligent beings, realize the truth, and religion will disappear.
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I'd call myself intelligent, and I believe in religion.
 
blahblahblah said:
I'd call myself intelligent, and I believe in religion.
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Certain Native American tribes were known to herd buffalo off cliffs just to watch them die.

Consdier that for a second.
 
DoctorGordon said:
Lets hear the best proof you have that god, or whoever, exists.
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Lets turn the tables. Lets here the best proof you have that God doesn't exist. I'm tired of doing all the work. Let see you do some. Anyways, I have only see you flame, I don't think you are capable of a rational debate.

You can also look through some of the religious threads I have participated in as well.
 
indeed doctorgordon, i'm glad to say this is happening very fast in the UK, there r almost no new christians, soon the existing ones will die. i predict christianity being wiped out in the UK within 50 years

blahblahblah: the thing that proves that all religions r man made crap, is that there r so many of them, all claiming that their god is the real god, which obviously can't be the case. this invalidates all of them
 
So, blahblahblah...in your religious beliefs, how long ago was the universe, the earth, everything else, created?
 
DoctorGordon said:
So, blahblahblah...in your religious beliefs, how long ago was the universe, the earth, everything else, created?
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Nice sidestep. Try harder next time. I'm still waiting.

blahblahblah: the thing that proves that all religions r man made crap, is that there r so many of them, all claiming that their god is the real god, which obviously can't be the case. this invalidates all of them
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There are numerous theories on evolution and the creation of the universe as well. If I use your logic, that means it invalidates all of them as well. ;)
 
doctorgordon i have heard a christian explain how old the earth is before, and he said that if u add all the people in the bible up, their ages, 12000 years

to this the question was put "dinosaur fossils?"

"he put those there to test our faith"

well its good to know that we have a prankster god


"muhahaha....we'll see who believes in me now!"
 
blahblahblah, u r wrong, there is 1 theory of the world which has been taken up by the scientific community, the theory of evolution

1 and only 1
 
DoctorGordon said:
Stop avoiding my questions, answer, please, and i will continue
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I'm not. Answer mine. Then we can continue. I'm too lazy to cite proper sources right now. I'm doing to much work right now.

Its always harder to defense a topic than to attack it.
 
j__ said:
blahblahblah, u r wrong, there is 1 theory of the world which has been taken up by the scientific community, the theory of evolution

1 and only 1
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lol. Have you read any scientific magazines recently? They can't come to a common consensus about anything.
 
j__ said:
doctorgordon i have heard a christian explain how old the earth is before, and he said that if u add all the people in the bible up, their ages, 12000 years

to this the question was put "dinosaur fossils?"

"he put those there to test our faith"

well its good to know that we have a prankster god

"muhahaha....we'll see who believes in me now!"
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Right, and also, the earth is recieving light from stars billions of light years away. I suppose that god magically made that light travel extremely fast to reach Earth within 12,000 years?
 
they have come to the consensus that the world was not created in 7 days however...


by the way, about your comment on your intelligence

intelligence isn't memory and effort, it isn't achieving high test scores. it is the way u conduct yourself, your way of thinking, your rationality
 
I remember watching a movie all about how religion would prohibit the use of condoms in I believe Africa or something of the sort, anyways, in a poor part of the world. So then all STDs would get transmited very quickly and easily, families were big yet money rare. This caused great misery and death. How can anyone respect a religion that harbors such stupid beliefs that condoms send you to hell? This is only one out of many reasons im an atheist.

Maybe there was a Jesus that came to this earth 2004 years ago, but considering it was over 2000 years ago where the transmission of information wasn't the simplest thing, that the bible was somehow changed radically, or even lost and rewritten differently on purpose or by accident? So many old books were lost for many reasons, why would the bible be any different?
 
DoctorGordon said:
Eventually people will develop into more intelligent beings, realize the truth, and religion will disappear.
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What is so wrong about religion?

Is it really that intelligent dementing things that other people stand for just because you don't believe in them?

Oh, and what's this truth you're speaking of?
 
Religion was simply created as a system for the government to control people. Ppl probably realized there wasnt an apparent point to life, and they started getting out of control and doing whatever they wanted.

blahblahblah time to face the facts, there isnt an god, theres no 'nice' happy place when you die like im sure you like to think. Although perhaps you respawn within the universe here...im working on that theory. Now if you had made advances in your perception of purpose, you would have no need for a lack of confidence, hence you wanting to believe in some divine being.
 
DoctorGordon said:
Right, and also, the earth is recieving light from stars billions of light years away. I suppose that god magically made that light travel extremely fast to reach Earth within 12,000 years?
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You think science has all the answers right now? Yup, that explains why modern scientists can only detect 4 percent of ordinary matter and energy. The rest has been chalked up to dark energy (73%) and dark matter (23%).

Glad to know that science can provide an absolute certainity to every religious question. Not to mention the fact that my beliefs say that God created everything.
 
CrazyHarij said:
What is so wrong about religion?

Is it really that intelligent dementing things that other people stand for just because you don't believe in them?

Oh, and what's this truth you're speaking of?
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I wouldn't call people stupid because they believe in religion, I would call them decieved.

I'm sure someone out here will take this opportunity to call my atheist views deceitful
 
CrazyHarij said:
What is so wrong about religion?

Is it really that intelligent dementing things that other people stand for just because you don't believe in them?

Oh, and what's this truth you're speaking of?
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It slows down the race. Many technologies arent allowed to be developed cause of religious ppl.

No comment about "the truth" at this time.
 
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