Popular Stupid Myths Number 1: Religion kills people!

[j__]

Crazyharij, people with beliefs on any subject, religion or anything else should be made to defend them in debate. r u saying that ignorance should be allowed to flourish? without debate, how can the world progress?

 

[blahblahblah]

Religion was simply created as a system for the government to control people. Ppl probably realized there wasnt an apparent point to life, and they started getting out of control and doing whatever they wanted.

blahblahblah time to face the facts, there isnt an god, theres no 'nice' happy place when you die like im sure you like to think. Although perhaps you respawn within the universe here...im working on that theory. Now if you had made advances in your perception of purpose, you would have no need for a lack of confidence, hence you wanting to believe in some divine being.

Damn, right. Time for anarchy. /sarcasm

Have fun rotting in the ground.

 

[blahblahblah]

Crazyharij, people with beliefs on any subject, religion or anything else should be made to defend them in debate. r u saying that ignorance should be allowed to flourish? without debate, how can the world progress?

Hold on. I always have to defend myself in these discussions. Lets see you do some work. And throwing off the wall facts from some random show you watched 5 years ago doesn't count. I would be flamed to a crisp if I did such an act.

 

[j__]

blahblahblah, what is the religion that u follow?
do u think that your god is the correct god?
do u think that the other gods r fakes?

 

[DoctorGordon]

You think science has all the answers right now? Yup, that explains why modern scientists can only detect 4 percent of ordinary matter and energy. The rest has been chalked up to dark energy (73%) and dark matter (23%).

Glad to know that science can provide an absolute certainity to every religious question. Not to mention the fact that my beliefs say that God created everything.

Honestly, what has made you believe in god? Where did god himself come from? Why do innocent people get slaughtered? Why would god program any of this into humans? The idea of a god is just retarded, made to convince stupid people.

And, you are a victim.

 

[blahblahblah]

blahblahblah, what is the religion that u follow?
do u think that your god is the correct god?
do u think that the other gods r fakes?

j__, what is the religion that u follow?
do u think that your god (or belief system) is the correct god?
do u think that the other gods r fakes?

 

[OrrA]

And throwing off the wall facts from some random show you watched 5 years ago doesn't count. I would be flamed to a crisp if I did such an act.

If you were talking about my post, I saw that movie last year, exept I didn't take note of what country it was because the night before I had had hardly any sleep, but I don't think I hallucinated the movie nor the debate we had after.

 

[blahblahblah]

Honestly, what has made you believe in atheism? Where did this universe come from? Why is humanity inherently evil which causes people to be slaughtered? Why would atheism/evolution program any of this into humans? The idea of a atheism is just retarded, made to convince stupid people.

And, you are a victim.

:angel:

 

[DoctorGordon]

See everytime you present clear proof to religious ppl (christains specifically), they revolt back saying its a "test of faith".

Do this blahblahblah, pray to god and make me find some quarters on my floor within the next hour.

 

[j__]

stop answering questions with questions, u really r showing that u and your religion don't have any answers to the hard questions

for now i will answer yours:
i believe in nothing, i have ideas
i think that my ideas r educated
i believe all gods r fakes


i have done as u asked, now please answer mine

 

[DoctorGordon]

blahblahblah, try to find some other meaning to life besides trying to get into heaven when you die.

Edit: I'll bbl

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Okay, that's about enough Doctor Gordon. You're not helping the atheist cause.

I don't believe in religion either, but I'm not going to bash those around me or try to make them question their faiths.

It's called faith for a reason: there is no evidence of anything. It's all a matter of what you believe. I choose to disbelieve anything that isn't proven through evidence. Others don't.

And as long as they're not harming me because their belief says so, or are trying to make me change my beliefs, I don't care what anyone thinks.

 

[CrazyHarij]

It slows down the race. Many technologies arent allowed to be developed cause of religious ppl.

No comment about "the truth" at this time.

I'd like to know why you, oh intelligent being, decide to let extremists of certain religions represent the term religion.

How can you tell what's the untruth if you cannot tell what's the truth?

Religion was simply created as a system for the government to control people. Ppl probably realized there wasnt an apparent point to life, and they started getting out of control and doing whatever they wanted.

When "religion" was created, there was no government. Only cavemen.
Peeople still realise there is no point to life, so they make their own. Other people choose to believe in the point they think makes the most sense.

blahblahblah time to face the facts, there isnt an god, theres no 'nice' happy place when you die like im sure you like to think. Although perhaps you respawn within the universe here...im working on that theory. Now if you had made advances in your perception of purpose, you would have no need for a lack of confidence, hence you wanting to believe in some divine being.

I'd like to see these facts that prove there is no god or no "nice" happy place when you die.

I can't prove that Islam or christianity is bogus, neither can I prove that atheists are right. Nor can I prove that my religion is the true one.

There are many religions I don't believe in, but I respect them and as long as a persons religion/belief makes him happy, he should believe in it.

 

[j__]

mechagodzilla, they r harming u, religion slows the process of technical evolution

also, do u not care that religion causes other people to be hurt and killed physically?

 

[blahblahblah]

Okay, that's about enough Doctor Gordon. You're not helping the atheist cause.

I don't believe in religion either, but I'm not going to bash those around me or try to make them question their faiths.

It's called faith for a reason: there is no evidence of anything. It's all a matter of what you believe. I choose to disbelieve anything that isn't proven through evidence. Others don't.

And as long as they're not harming me because their belief says so, or are trying to make me change my beliefs, I don't care what anyone thinks.

What? I was having fun tweaking him. Some of this stuff they are writing is so hilarious. I could make a comedy routine out of it.

To Doctor Gordon and j__, I don't appease terro...flamers.

 

[j__]

crazyharij, how can u possibly really believe in something that is both contradicted by other religions, and contradicts other religions

 

[Mechagodzilla]

do u not care that religion causes other people to be hurt and killed physically?

Obviously I care about that. Check my post:

And as long as they're not harming me because their belief says so, or are trying to make me change my beliefs, I don't care what anyone thinks.

I guess I shoud have replaced the "me"s in there with "anyone" to be more specific.

And as long as they're not harming anyone because their belief says so, or are trying to make anyone else change thier beliefs, I don't care what anyone thinks.

Also: Technical evolution? Huh?

 

[j__]

blahblahblah, r u really not going to answer my 3 questions?

u do know this makes u look worse than actually trying to defend your beliefs?

 

[CrazyHarij]

crazyharij, how can u possibly really believe in something that is both contradicted by other religions, and contradicts other religions

I don't understand what you mean by that, can you elaborate, please?

 

[blahblahblah]

blahblahblah, r u really not going to answer my 3 questions?

u do know this makes u look worse than actually trying to defend your beliefs?

Do you know that this makes you look worse than actually trying to defend your beliefs?

[Edit]: Can you use proper grammar? Its hard for me to mock you when you are writing that way.

 

[j__]

technical evolution = the way technology changes and adapts and gets better

just evolution, but with technology

 

[PvtRyan]

Lets turn the tables. Lets here the best proof you have that God doesn't exist.

A bit of a weird request. It can't be done.
Show me the best proof you have that there's no magic elephant behind the sun? It's impossible to proof that something isn't there.

Proof to me that the world doesn't disappear behind you when you look away. Ah, it's there again when you look back you say? Yeah, but that's because the magic elephant behind the sun makes it appear again. You can see reflections of the world behind you in mirrors? Yes, but again: the work of the magic elephant, it's all a fake.

There's no fun in arguing with believers really, you always have a workaround on arguments because faith is such a broad thing and can be interpreted in many ways. There's no book that says what God did and didn't do, no, so people can make the wildest claims. When asked about something there's no logical religious explanation to, a believer will strike with the killer sentence 'But God made it that way!'

I'm tired of doing all the work. Let see you do some. Anyways, I have only see you flame, I don't think you are capable of a rational debate.

The burden of proof is at the ones who make the claims, we don't claim there's a higher being, you guys are the ones who do. So then it's up to us to proof you're wrong? Not very fair.
Science doesn't occupy itself with proving that it does exist or it doesn't. Science doesn't work that way, it's a model of the existing universe that is being put together in small pieces, and since there's no evidence of a higher being, it does not consider it in that model.

The way it works is this: someone comes with a hypothesis, he triest to proof it with evidence, if back upped with enougn evidence it's considered a theory, a plausible explanation of a phenomenon, which isn't fixed but is still being worked on.
So it's up to believers to come with a good hypothesis and back it up with evidence. Then it becomes science. Until then, it's a fantasy story to science, backed up only by faith. And the way religion works is completely anti science, it works with fixed dogma's, which are considered the absolute truth and can't be changed. Theories are not like that, they undergo changes and are being improved.

So I'm afraid the burden of proof is with you.

I don't understand what you mean by that, can you elaborate, please?

He propbably means that there are a 1001 religions and all those thousand and one religions claim they have the absolute truth. And they all contradict. How can hold on to just one faith?

There's no reason to assume Christians are any closer to absolute truth than Muslims, Jews or even the old Vikings.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

technical evolution = the way technology changes and adapts and gets better

just evolution, but with technology

Yeah, but religious people aren't making me get rid of my TV, or are preventing me from buying a new one.

I guess you're talking about stem cell research, and yes, I do consider it harmful to limit it, since it's removing potential cure.

As I said, as long as the religion isn't harming anyone, I'm fine.

I'm not fine with limiting Stem cell research, but that's about it.

 

[j__]

ok blahblahblah, your last post just ended the discussion, i ask u a question, u ask the same question to me, i answer your question, ask another and ask u to answer the first question, and u still refuse

u r a walking advert for why religion spreads ignorance, good night

 

[blahblahblah]

The burden of proof is at the ones who make the claims, we don't claim there's a higher being, you guys are the ones who do. So then it's up to us to proof you're wrong? Not very fair.
Science doesn't occupy itself with proving that it does exist or it doesn't. Science doesn't work that way, it's a model of the existing universe that is being put together in small pieces, and since there's no evidence of a higher being, it does not consider it in that model.

The way it works is this: someone comes with a hypothesis, he triest to proof it with evidence, if back upped with enougn evidence it's considered a theory, a plausible explanation of a phenomenon, which isn't fixed but is still being worked on.
So it's up to believers to come with a good hypothesis and back it up with evidence. Then it becomes science. Until then, it's a fantasy story to science, backed up only by faith. And the way religion works is completely anti science, it works with fixed dogma's, which are considered the absolute truth and can't be changed. Theories are not like that, they undergo changes and are being improved.

So I'm afraid the burden of proof is with you.

Au contraire, he is the one claiming that God doesn't exist. He made the first post and I took the bait. The burden of proof lies upon him.

 

[OrrA]

You totally ignored my first post... why?

If the fact that some uneducated people in poor countries die from STDs because the Pope says condoms are evil doesnt mean that religion kills people, then what is it? Religions are basically old and outdated beliefs, or at least partialy constituted of such. Some parts of religion are good, like to not do onto others what you do not want to be done to you, and such things, but the beliefs that some things are just evil, like sex before marriage, condoms, rock music and other things is just silly.

 

[CrazyHarij]

You totally ignored my first post... why?

If the fact that some uneducated people in poor countries die from STDs because the Pope says condoms are evil doesnt mean that religion kills people, then what is it? Religions are basically old and outdated beliefs, or at least partialy constituted of such. Some parts of religion are good, like to not do onto others what you do not want to be done to you, and such things, but the beliefs that some things are just evil, like sex before marriage, condoms, rock music and other things is just silly.

That's not religion, that's religious fanaticism.

I ask again why you prefer to categorize everything and let the extremists of each category represent that category?

You're doing exactly the same thing as those overprotective mothers that think videogames create killers do.

 

[PvtRyan]

Au contraire, he is the one claiming that God doesn't exist. He made the first post and I took the bait. The burden of proof lies upon him.

Still, the burden of proof is still with you. He says he doesn't exist because there is no evidence supporting it, and he's right about that.

A believer made the first claim that there was a god, so he or she should have come up with something backing that up, until then, we can say he doesn't exist until they do find something to back that up.

If you say: "the moon is made out of cheese!" Then I say "nonsense, it is not". Is it logical to ask me for the proof when there's no reason to assume it IS made out of cheese?

Oh, a funny read btw:

http://www.skepticreport.com/funnies/mooncheese.htm
(a very true story about how many believers argue)

 

[blahblahblah]

Still, the burden of proof is still with you. He says he doesn't exist because there is no evidence supporting it, and he's right about that.

A believer made the first claim that there was a god, so he or she should have come up with something backing that up, until then, we can say he doesn't exist until they do find something to back that up.

If you say: "the moon is made out of cheese!" Then I say "nonsense, it is not". Is it logical to ask me for the proof when there's no reason to assume it IS made out of cheese?

Oh, a funny read btw:

http://www.skepticreport.com/funnies/mooncheese.htm

There is no evidence to support aethism as well. Therefore the burden of proof still lies with him to prove evolution and the big bang (and anything else I can think of).

Pretty funny link. (the funny part is that many atheists argue the same way. Funny how they have their own manipulated version of Christianity in their head).

 

[OrrA]

That's not religion, that's religious fanaticism.

I ask again why you prefer to categorize everything and let the extremists of each category represent that category?

You're doing exactly the same thing as those overprotective mothers that think videogames create killers do.

Alright, maybe I didn't make myself clear enough then. I said some parts of religion are good, like to respect others and spread love, which is what the common religious person does, and he dismisses the extremist beliefs. This is good.

But the extremists are usually the ones who have the power, not the common citizen. Thus, the Pope, just to name 1, has extreme power over the less educated people, and can affect their views quite negatively. This is bad.

 

[A2597]

Badger you just totally anihilated yourself. So, because politics is more often "today" used as an excuse for wars than religion, then religion is ilibateed?

Crusades, anyone?

Wars fought for religion:
Anything in the middle east, and only because the Muslims view any war there as over religion.

Wars ought over other issues:
WW1
WW2
Any revolutionary/cival war
War of 1812
Any war between France and the UK
Any war in China/Japan
Any war, Anywhere else, in history

 

[CrazyHarij]

Alright, maybe I didn't make myself clear enough then. I said some parts of religion are good, like to respect others and spread love, which is what the common religious person does, and he dismisses the extremist beliefs. This is good.

But the extremists are usually the ones who have the power, not the common citizen. Thus, the Pope, just to name 1, has extreme power over the less educated people, and can affect their views quite negatively. This is bad.

I agree with you. The extremists are after all the ones who create the most "turbulence" and thus become the ones representing the religion and having the most power.

 

[Tr0n]

OT:What the hell is a bollock?

 

[PvtRyan]

There is no evidence to support aethism as well. Therefore the burden of proof still lies with him to prove evolution and the big bang (and anything else I can think of).

Pretty funny link. (the funny part is that many atheists argue the same way. Funny how they have their own manipulated version of Christianity in their head).

I'll come back to this tomorrow. Off to bed now.

I just wanna say this: I think there's a hell of a lot more evidence for scientific theories like the Big Bang and biological evolution than for creationist stories.

 

[CrazyHarij]

OT:What the hell is a bollock?

Testicle.

 

[oldagerocker]

The question is : can you really call the Bible any sort of evidence?

it's been translated and re-copied by monks (or monk like people) down the centuries, well, for 2 thousand years to be precise... i really dont think the bible holds much ground on specific terms and when people take it generally, you can come out with so many different views about it...

 

[DoctorGordon]

This debate has went no where, the problem with religious ppl is that they're so dang arrogant. We "atheists" base our beliefs off evidence, you ppl wont shutup with your pointless blabber and sense of superiority, when in fact...its quite funny that you have faith in some hocus-pocus clown story.

 

[blahblahblah]

This debate has went no where, the problem with religious ppl is that they're so dang arrogant. We "atheists" base our beliefs off evidence, you ppl wont shut with your pointless blabber and sense of superiority, when in fact...its quite funny that you have faith in some hocus-pocus clown story.

Look whose arrogant. I still say the burden of proof of evidence still lies on you. You say religion doesn't exist, prove it. Sounds like somebody got backed into a corner they don't like.

I'm still waiting for evidence. You want my stances, you can search for various religious debate threads I have been a part of. No reason why I should appease you, especially since you are writing with such a hostile tone.

 

[Yuri]

I'm agnostic, but I don't beleive in knocking other religions.

And I don't fully agree with you, Badger.

 

[OrrA]

This debate has went no where, the problem with religious ppl is that they're so dang arrogant. We "atheists" base our beliefs off evidence, you ppl wont shut with your pointless blabber and sense of superiority, when in fact...its quite funny that you have faith in some hocus-pocus clown story.

Right now you're not shutting up about your own sense of superiority. Yes i agree that religion has no factual basis for belief, but if in a civilized and educated country it can stop a load of people from going on murderous rampages or feeling like crap(to then most likely make others pissed off/feel like crap) then I guess it can be a good thing.

Religion is like anything else, there are good and bad sides to it, don't shut one side or the other just because of your opinion on the matter.