Preload delayed until Monday

kern802 said:
Ok, I'll concede that they don't have their shit fully together, and you're right, it might not be a summer release... But, the point is that every indication is that it will be coming out in a couple of months, as opposed to next year.
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well as I said "December" its only "a few" months away really.

Sushi said:
It wasn't ready, it was all marketing strategies...
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good point, I was wondering why all the new media was coming out, why they dropped the price of CZ, and why the VST was CS:S only.
 
Kiva128 said:
Do you work at valve? No? Then you guys don't know what kind of shit they have to go through. Just let them do their jobs. Yes, they suck with dates, but get over it.

/end rant
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Well, like alot of people here, I have a job, so yeah, I do know what sorta shit they have to go through. We all have deadlines, and even the best of us can miss them from time to time, but if my boss noticed me missing as many deadlines as Valve I would be fired, simple as that.
 
I'm sad they didn't make the date. I can't understand those who say "it's just a pre-load". Are you nuts? A pre-load is a pretty big deal. It means that they are actually finished....done...with the game content, and very, very close to the actual release date, or at the very least a gold date (which in turn is close to the release so it's a moot point really). The beginning of the pre-load is a very, very important step for Valve. I guess I'm happy that they've decided to wait until the opportune moment. However, I'm not sure I understand his comment.

"The main reason was to get out the release (that just happened) to the CS: Source Beta."

Are they saying they pushed back the pre-loading of Half-Life 2 in order to get out a relatively small, minor update for the CS:S beta? That doesn't sound quite right to me. Really, if you were in charge at Valve what would you have done? Begin the Half-Life 2 pre-loading, or release a small update to the CS:S beta and push the pre-load back to Monday? Well anyways, I honestly do think that we will see it begin on Monday. If we don't, then I'd begin to get a bit suspicious.
 
iamaelephant said:
Well, like alot of people here, I have a job, so yeah, I do know what sorta shit they have to go through. We all have deadlines, and even the best of us can miss them from time to time, but if my boss noticed me missing as many deadlines as Valve I would be fired, simple as that.
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Except your boss sets deadlines for you. Valve sets deadlines for themselves. There's a difference.
 
DeltaBlast said:
Sigh.. they can't even do a pre-pre-load on time. I wonder how VALVe's staff meetings go...
"There was a meeting at 10 yesterday! Where were you?"
-"Sorry, I got delayed..."
"That's okay, the meeting got delayed too!"

The only thing they won't delay is lunchtime :p
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ahahahah :cheers:
 
qckbeam said:
Are they saying they pushed back the pre-loading of Half-Life 2 in order to get out a relatively small, minor update for the CS:S beta? That doesn't sound quite right to me. Really, if you were in charge at Valve what would you have done? Begin the Half-Life 2 pre-loading, or release a small update to the CS:S beta and push the pre-load back to Monday? Well anyways, I honestly do think that we will see it begin on Monday. If we don't, then I'd begin to get a bit suspicious.
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I agree. Steam hardly saw a spike when it got updated tonight. http://www.steampowered.com/status/status.html

A preload to a few thousand dedicated fans would not have crashed steam, unless steam is much worse than we have all come to believe.

Anyways, I'm gonna sleep this off, and lets hope Valve won't miss three dates in a row.
 
Mr. Redundant said:
well as I said "December" its only "a few" months away really.


good point, I was wondering why all the new media was coming out, why they dropped the price of CZ, and why the VST was CS:S only.
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Uhhh.... ok you got me... :upstare: I guess I'm just trying to maintain a positive outlook. Hmm... come to think of it, I was one of those Septermber 30th suckers last time around... :rolleyes: oh well, I still think it's going to come out this time. :|
 
its only a preload, lets not see a surge of anti-valve sentiment.
 
Yeah what qckbeam said.

Why is a crappy cs:s beta taking priority over HALF-LIFE-BLOODY-MOTHERFOCKING-2!!! SEQUEL TO THE GREATEST GAME EVER.

*above is opinion*
 
poseyjmac said:
monday yeay. gabe has something to say again

http://ecard.veepers.com/service/RetrieveCard?id=ko8nC1NY2bgOk8slMrMkvG

we still love you gabe :)
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:LOL: That one was pretty well done. I normally get a piece of the background as part of the head moving when I try to make one.

Anyway, I don't really care about the preload itself, I'm just a little concerned about what it's delay means for the final product. Even though it's just 4 days, it's supposed to be just the non-changing files like sounds and textures. And why couldn't Steam handle it now?
 
OMG some of you people i worry about, I cant believe people, well kids I can, but people getting this mad about a pre load for a game that you cant even play yet!!!
 
Sushi said:
Exactly. If you know you can't hold a date, then don't set a public date. This is why I'm not too concerned as to the lack of a real release date right now. But in the end, this is just hugely irresponsible on Valve's part. It's a letdown to the fans and is completely unprofessional, especially because it's for something fairly minor. I can forgive a couple of minor slip-ups, but this seems to be happening every time Valve says anything.

Way to go Valve, your credibility has dropped yet again. *claps*
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This is starting to get ridiculous... did any of you actually actually read Erik's post?

Let me evaluate your position; you're complaining that VALVe is being irresponsible to the gaming community by not initiating the pre-load when they stated they would. Right?

I don't think yoiu've taken into consideration the fact that VALVe chose to make Half-Life 2, and to give us Steam with which to receive files for it; we did not pay them to make Half-Life 2. They have no responsibility to give you what you want, when you want it, unless you are purchasing something from them, which would make it a business obligation.

(here's a dictionary for you, if you want to look up "responsibility")

And notice the given reason for the delay. Another update to the CS:Soruce beta. They obviously don't want to overload the Steam network by releasing both this update and initiating the HL2 pre-load at the same time.
So essentially you are complaining that VALVe failed to give you product, because they wanted to have extra time to make sure you received all the other goods which they have made for you, before they add a new item to your downloads queue.

Doesn't make much sense, your argument. Give VALVe a break, since they will make a great game for you, and you are demonstrating to the rest of the world that you are incredibly dependant upon them to do this.
 
Mr-Fusion said:
Yeah what qckbeam said.

Why is a crappy cs:s beta taking priority over HALF-LIFE-BLOODY-MOTHERFOCKING-2!!! SEQUEL TO THE GREATEST GAME EVER.

*above is opinion*
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I know i'm kinda disappointed too, but its not like pushing back the preload effects its release date or nothing. Its just that i'm never going to trust anything Valve says again, when it comes to release dates, until i hear a gold announcement
 
You guys shoudnt be mad. it was just a preload.
not like you could play the game.
 
Sasuke said:
This is starting to get ridiculous... did any of you actually actually read Erik's post?

Let me evaluate your position; you're complaining that VALVe is being irresponsible to the gaming community by not initiating the pre-load when they stated they would. Right?

I don't think yoiu've taken into consideration the fact that VALVe chose to make Half-Life 2, and to give us Steam with which to receive files for it; we did not pay them to make Half-Life 2. They have no responsibility to give you what you want, when you want it, unless you are purchasing something from them, which would make it a business obligation.

(here's a dictionary for you, if you want to look up "responsibility")
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That's funny, I distinctly remember paying hard earned cash for both Half Life and a 9600xt with a voucher for Half Life 2.
 
Sasuke said:
This is starting to get ridiculous... did any of you actually actually read Erik's post?

Let me evaluate your position; you're complaining that VALVe is being irresponsible to the gaming community by not initiating the pre-load when they stated they would. Right?

I don't think yoiu've taken into consideration the fact that VALVe chose to make Half-Life 2, and to give us Steam with which to receive files for it; we did not pay them to make Half-Life 2. They have no responsibility to give you what you want, when you want it, unless you are purchasing something from them, which would make it a business obligation.

(here's a dictionary for you, if you want to look up "responsibility")

And notice the given reason for the delay. Another update to the CS:Soruce beta. They obviously don't want to overload the Steam network by releasing both this update and initiating the HL2 pre-load at the same time.
So essentially you are complaining that VALVe failed to give you product, because they wanted to have extra time to make sure you received all the other goods which they have made for you, before they add a new item to your downloads queue.

Doesn't make much sense, your argument. Give VALVe a break, since they will make a great game for you, and you are demonstrating to the rest of the world that you are incredibly dependant upon them to do this.
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OMG I couldnt have said it better!! Now hush children and be patient!!
 
And have you considered the fact that because it was only a simple pre-load of some un-playable content, it was not particularly important to either the company or the gaming community (US), that it be released on time?

Don't decide to never believe another VALVe release date, because frankly, that's retarded. If they announce a solid release date for HL2, and they don't make that, it's obviously a big error on their part. But when it's something as insignificant as this pre-load, which some people seem to think is the most important thing in the world, they can easily afford to be casual and move the starting date back a few days, especially when it's due to the fact that they need time to upload additional content through Steam.
 
iamaelephant said:
That's funny, I distinctly remember paying hard earned cash for both Half Life and a 9600xt with a voucher for Half Life 2.
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I'm not sure where I saw this, but someone's signature somewhere says "Think twice. Post once."
And I think that sums up my message to you. :)

Unless you have some kind of brain condition, complete with wild delusions, you did not hand the sales people the money for Half-Life with the intent of paying for Half-Life 2. In fact, I doubt anyone was even capable of thinking such a ridiculous thing, unless there was some kind of time-warp that would allow them to know about Half-Life 2, and they were also as intelligent as a bucket of dead fish.

Here's how it went:

VALVe decides to make Half-Life. They make it on their own. They sell it to you.

They later decide to take the money you gave them for Half-Life, money which now belongs to them I should add, and make Half-Life 2 with it. Now where in this timeline do you give them money in exchange for them giving you Half-Life 2? If you can find it, then my hat's off to you.
 
you miss the point sasuke, the preload isn't about having files on your harddrive alone, its about progress. preloads gotta happen before hl2 gets released. so in effect its the same as delaying the game itself. thats why it means something to people

and at this point it would be unwise to believe another date they give.
 
iamelephant is saying he owns HL2, as he has a HL2 voucher coupon from his 9600XT.

However, this argument is flawed, as HL2 was a bonus with the card. It may have convinced you to buy the card, but it was included for free. You did not pay any extra for that 9600XT because HL2 was bundled with it.
 
Has Valve ever been on time? I trust them as far as I can throw Gabe and his entire Seattle office.
 
Sasuke said:
And have you considered the fact that because it was only a simple pre-load of some un-playable content, it was not particularly important to either the company or the gaming community (US), that it be released on time?

Don't decide to never believe another VALVe release date, because frankly, that's retarded. If they announce a solid release date for HL2, and they don't make that, it's obviously a big error on their part. But when it's something as insignificant as this pre-load, which some people seem to think is the most important thing in the world, they can easily afford to be casual and move the starting date back a few days, especially when it's due to the fact that they need time to upload additional content through Steam.
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Exactly.

A delay of a pre-load, which means absolutely nothing in the long run since the game won't even be out for a while, and people get mad. lol

People seem to take these things so personally. It's as if their children are being held hostage and the release date was pushed back.

The sad thing is no matter what Valve do at this point, they will have people come down upon them for every single thing. Either a one second delay, bad lighting or shadows, gas shortage, orange juice prices too high...doesn't matter.. some people are just looking for things at this point. It's sad.

People need to be more happy in their lives or something; it's a game...not that important really, and certainly not worth getting angry over.
 
Congrats Valve you just made another awesome HL2 Preload delay :p
 
Illegal Amigo said:
Has Valve ever been on time? I trust them as far as I can throw Gabe and his entire Seattle office.
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Hmm.. Considering the release of CS:S preload, and unlocking the game, yes I think sometimes they are on time. Must have slipped your limited mind.
 
Sasuke said:
This is starting to get ridiculous... did any of you actually actually read Erik's post?

Let me evaluate your position; you're complaining that VALVe is being irresponsible to the gaming community by not initiating the pre-load when they stated they would. Right?

I don't think yoiu've taken into consideration the fact that VALVe chose to make Half-Life 2, and to give us Steam with which to receive files for it; we did not pay them to make Half-Life 2. They have no responsibility to give you what you want, when you want it, unless you are purchasing something from them, which would make it a business obligation.

(here's a dictionary for you, if you want to look up "responsibility")

And notice the given reason for the delay. Another update to the CS:Soruce beta. They obviously don't want to overload the Steam network by releasing both this update and initiating the HL2 pre-load at the same time.
So essentially you are complaining that VALVe failed to give you product, because they wanted to have extra time to make sure you received all the other goods which they have made for you, before they add a new item to your downloads queue.

Doesn't make much sense, your argument. Give VALVe a break, since they will make a great game for you, and you are demonstrating to the rest of the world that you are incredibly dependant upon them to do this.
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SOMEBODY PUT THIS ON THE FRONTPAGE PINNED !! :cheers:
 
poseyjmac said:
you miss the point sasuke, the preload isn't about having files on your harddrive alone, its about progress. preloads gotta happen before hl2 gets released. so in effect its the same as delaying the game itself. thats why it means something to people

and at this point it would be unwise to believe another date they give.
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But if you had taken time to examine the intent behind this delay, as was spelled out to you in my extensive rant, you'd know that the pre-load is prepared and good to go. They knew it was, that's why Gabe said it would be ready by now, because it is. But they have to release yet another update to Steam, fixing problems in CS:Source,(which is the whole point of having an open beta) and to reduce overkill on the network, they decide to wait a while for things to calm down before starting the preload.

There's nothing unprofessional or unreasonable about VALVe's actions up to this point... and to say that you'll never trust another release date they give is foolish, since the pre-load date is not a release date for anything, so for them to push it back has zero consequences, not to them, not to us, and not to the release date of Half-Life 2!
 
OMG, Valve delays EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

Quick Overview:

Half-Life 1 (1 Year)
Team Fortress 2 (5 Years)
Counter-Strike: Condition Zero (Over 6 Months)
Half-Life 2 (So Far A Year)
Certain Steam Updates (Quite Often)
The Release Of The 2003 Bink Videos (Took Over 9 Months To Release Them All)
Codename Gordon (Delayed Because Of Waiting For Valve To Release On Steam)
Counter-Strike: Source Beta (About 12 Days)
Half-Life 2 Preloading (So Far 6 Days)
Half-Life 2: SDK (Almost A Year)

Need I Go On?

Valve delays everything!!!!!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
 
"Congradulations on the purchase of your new "Graphics by ATI" card. With your purchase you are eligible to receive a free* copy of Valve's full version game - Half Life 2. Details on how you can obtain your FREE* copy of the Half Life 2 game are available at:
http://www.ati.com/online/hl2 "

I legally am entitled to a copy of Half Life 2. Valve does in fact owe me something.
 
poseyjmac said:
you miss the point sasuke, the preload isn't about having files on your harddrive alone, its about progress. preloads gotta happen before hl2 gets released. so in effect its the same as delaying the game itself. thats why it means something to people

and at this point it would be unwise to believe another date they give.
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That's certainly doesn't have to be true. A pushed back Pre-load date doesn't have to mean the games progress has been delayed.

The ONLY way this would be true is if the game was done and ready to go out the door...that would be the game being delayed. But we all know the game is still a month or so away and a missed pre-load today, tomorrow, next week really means very little at this point.

It's just not that important when the game is a month or more off.
 
iamaelephant said:
"Congradulations on the purchase of your new "Graphics by ATI" card. With your purchase you are eligible to receive a free* copy of Valve's full version game - Half Life 2. Details on how you can obtain your FREE* copy of the Half Life 2 game are available at:
http://www.ati.com/online/hl2 "

I legally am entitled to a copy of Half Life 2. Valve does in fact owe me something.
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Haha, that's great iamaelephant, but I'm afraid that I've got one of those nifty cards too. If only you'd look at the third paragraph... here, let me read from it:

Please note, your FREE* copy of Half-Life 2 will be sent to you once the game is relesed and available at retail. Please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery.

See that? Read it carefully if it doesn't sink in the first time. And maybe you should visit the website you referred to yourself, www.ati.com/online/hl2 for details as it says so clearly...

Don't be so quick to reproach VALVe for owing you something just because you haven't taken the time to read about what it is they're giving you.
 
Sasuke said:
Haha, that's great iamaelephant, but I'm afraid that I've got one of those nifty cards too. If only you'd look at the third paragraph... here, let me read from it:

Please note, your FREE* copy of Half-Life 2 will be sent to you once the game is relesed and available at retail. Please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery.

See that? Read it carefully if it doesn't sink in the first time. And maybe you should visit the website you referred to yourself, www.ati.com/online/hl2 for details as it says so clearly...

Don't be so quick to reproach VALVe for owing you something just because you haven't taken the time to read about what it is they're giving you.
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wasnt his point that he was indeed owed a copy of the game?
not when it was available..

you said valve owed him nothing
he said he was owed HL2
he quoted the voucher, then you requoted.. both mean he is technically owed a version of HL2 regardless of when it is made available... still he is technically "owed it"
 
Sasuke said:
But if you had taken time to examine the intent behind this delay, as was spelled out to you in my extensive rant, you'd know that the pre-load is prepared and good to go. They knew it was, that's why Gabe said it would be ready by now, because it is. But they have to release yet another update to Steam, fixing problems in CS:Source,(which is the whole point of having an open beta) and to reduce overkill on the network, they decide to wait a while for things to calm down before starting the preload.
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the pre-load is good to go, kinda like HL2 was good to go for a sep 30th of 2003 release? you still remember this dont you? that fact is why its not good to trust them until something tangible is on your harddrive.

Sasuke said:
There's nothing unprofessional or unreasonable about VALVe's actions up to this point... and to say that you'll never trust another release date they give is foolish, since the pre-load date is not a release date for anything, so for them to push it back has zero consequences, not to them, not to us, and not to the release date of Half-Life 2!
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setting a deadline and watching it go by and THEN saying something about it is unprofessional. period. you can try and justify it with your fat paragraphs, but it will do no good. if you have gotten a job in the real world you would know this fact. and it doesn't matter who the superior is, if your boss set a deadline to have a meeting with you, its still unprofessional on his part, even though he could fire you
 
Sasuke you just don't get it. You told me I was owed nothing by Valve, which is dead wrong. Valve owe me a copy of Half Life 2. It has been paid for, the agreement has been made. Don't try to give me that "they don't owe you anything" bullshit. I've heard it a thousand times.
 
"Gamers, we have to delay the preload because getting steam ready got delayed, and that was delayed because erik johnson was delayed at a meeting, which was delayed because gabe was delayed at the mcdonalds line, which was delayed due to not enough workers there. Preload will be begin monday........and of course noone can read this message, because this message is delayed"
 
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