Preload delayed until Monday

[Mr. Redundant]

"Gamers, we have to delay the preload because getting steam ready got delayed, and that was delayed because erik johnson was delayed at a meeting, which was delayed because gabe was delayed at the mcdonalds line, which was delayed due to not enough workers there. Preload will be begin monday........and of course noone can read this message, because this message is delayed"

lol well lets hope not too many people delay paying Valve for Hl2 upon release.

 

[Sasuke]

wasnt his point that he was indeed owed a copy of the game?
not when it was available..

you said valve owed him nothing
he said he was owed HL2
he quoted the voucher, then you requoted.. both mean he is technically owed a version of HL2 regardless of when it is made available... still he is technically "owed it"

Yes, VALVe and ATI do owe him a copy of the game once it's released. But imaelephant was saying that they owe him something now.

And poseyjmac, I'm sorry if my fat paragraphs are unpleasant to you, but I appreciate your attempt to have a serious argument... unforunately, you can't compare VALVe's pre-loads and updates to work done at a job in the "real world". In that situation, you are directly in someone's employ, and to miss deadlines is to not be doing your job, and is very unprofessoinal.

However, VALVe is not working for us, and we don't have any control or command over when they get their work done. They could choose to scrap the project, if they wanted to for some insane reason, and they wouldn't be breaking any laws or violating any contracts ,except perhaps with ATI which it has agreed to give some copies of the game to, but the point is, they are not being irresponsible by doing this. It's their decision, theirs alone. And to think we have a right to get their products as soon as we want is mainstream consumer ignorance. :hmph:

Sorry if I sound like I have a stick up my arse ( ) but I'm just trying to stand up for VALVe, because I really appreciate the work they do and I don't want to see their fans getting all mad at them without entirely accurate reasons.

 

[poseyjmac]

However, VALVe is not working for us, and we don't have any control or command over when they get their work done. They could choose to scrap the project, if they wanted to for some insane reason, and they wouldn't be breaking any laws or violating any contracts ,except perhaps with ATI which it has agreed to give some copies of the game to, but the point is, they are not being irresponsible by doing this. It's their decision, theirs alone. And to think we have a right to get their products as soon as we want is mainstream consumer ignorance. :hmph:

i knew you were going to say this next. which is why i first gave the example of the boss being late for a meeting with someone who works for him. despite the authority, its STILL unprofessional of the boss to do. no duh they dont work for us im not as loco as you might think i dont foam at the mouth when valve misses a deadline. all im saying is what they did was unprofessional.

i dont hate them for it and i dont lose any sleep over it, but its true. the fact that they have good intentions doesn't really justify that, although im glad they do focus on quality the way they do. but please don't try and prove that they can bake their cake and eat it too. because its not possible. valve rocks but they aint perfect.

 

[Sasuke]

Well I'm still unsure about how an employee and their boss can even slightly resemble the relationship between Valve and its customers... since you know, they don't rely on us to work for them, like your boss would, and they're working on this project entirely voluntarily, because they want to. And while I'm not trying to sound like I wouldn't be outraged if they never finished the project, (who wouldn't?) but the fact remains, Valve has no professional obligation to give us Half-Life 2. They are doing it because they think it is a cool thing to do, and I think they deserve a lot of slack for that.

 

[nge001]

WOW.

The delay has no effect on HL2's release date. It's not a situation in which HL2 wasn't ready to be preloaded, it is. I don't even consider this a setback.

What were you going to do if you got it tonight anyway? Go through the GCF? Funny, because that's all you could have done if you got it tonight.

It's three more days. Suck it up and stop whining.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Thankyou for signing up to tell us that nge001. Thankyou very much.

I really mean it, THANKYOU!

Now let us get back to whinging about Valve.

GG Valve, GG!!

 

[poseyjmac]

Well I'm still unsure about how an employee and their boss can even slightly resemble the relationship between Valve and its customers... since you know, they don't rely on us to work for them, like your boss would, and they're working on this project entirely voluntarily, because they want to. And while I'm not trying to sound like I wouldn't be outraged if they never finished the project, (who wouldn't?) but the fact remains, Valve has no professional obligation to give us Half-Life 2. They are doing it because they think it is a cool thing to do, and I think they deserve a lot of slack for that.

i have no obligation not to go the walmart and wail on all the crying kids with a copper pipe, but i don't do it because i respect them. same thing with them, do they respect us as humans? or treat us like trash? it doesn't matter really about business and who works for who, its about morals too.

well consider this, there will be many people that pirate hl2 just to spite valve because of all the delays. now thats tangible and can't be denied.

 

[nge001]

This thread is becoming utterly pointless.

I propose it to be closed.

 

[Mr. Redundant]

Yes, VALVe and ATI do owe him a copy of the game once it's released. But imaelephant was saying that they owe him something now.

imaelephant never said they owed it to him now... I think you just assumed that because people were upset to see the delay... he merely said he was sick of the "valve owe you nothing" arguement. (and in fact they do if they made a deal with ATI, as ATI paid money for that deal, and you cant tell me people who purchased that voucher/card combo werent influenced... most people thought the game release was imminent at the time.. mostly because Valve SAID it was)
then again thats marketing for you.

And poseyjmac, I'm sorry if my fat paragraphs are unpleasant to you, but I appreciate your attempt to have a serious argument...

that was extremely arrogant, he was merely saying that, no matter how much you want to justify the delay, it was in fact delayed.

unforunately, you can't compare VALVe's pre-loads and updates to work done at a job in the "real world". In that situation, you are directly in someone's employ, and to miss deadlines is to not be doing your job, and is very unprofessoinal.

Posey actually said it matters not about the legality, it was the principal. they merely make no effort to inform anyone of delays until late after the fact when people are wondering what the hell is happening.. this is not the first time.

However, VALVe is not working for us, and we don't have any control or command over when they get their work done. They could choose to scrap the project, if they wanted to for some insane reason, and they wouldn't be breaking any laws or violating any contracts ,except perhaps with ATI which it has agreed to give some copies of the game to, but the point is, they are not being irresponsible by doing this. It's their decision, theirs alone. And to think we have a right to get their products as soon as we want is mainstream consumer ignorance. :hmph:

people (nearly all the oldschoolers here) here at HL2.net have that attitude... we love Valve, we dont expect the product NOW.
thats where you miss the point (both by people in this thread, Posey and Elephant). The point is this has happened so many times before, all we would like is for them to inform us when they arent even going to try to meet the deadlines that THEY set.

Sorry if I sound like I have a stick up my arse ( ) but I'm just trying to stand up for VALVe, because I really appreciate the work they do and I don't want to see their fans getting all mad at them without entirely accurate reasons.

its ok, a lot of us feel that way, and we blindly defend Valve... remember this is HL2.net and most of us have been waiting with baited breath every day for HL2.

just try and take a less arrogant approach in the future.
welcome to the forums btw.

Well I'm still unsure about how an employee and their boss can even slightly resemble the relationship between Valve and its customers... since you know, they don't rely on us to work for them, like your boss would, and they're working on this project entirely voluntarily, because they want to. And while I'm not trying to sound like I wouldn't be outraged if they never finished the project, (who wouldn't?) but the fact remains, Valve has no professional obligation to give us Half-Life 2. They are doing it because they think it is a cool thing to do, and I think they deserve a lot of slack for that.

make no mistake, there is money in Software/Game developement.

 

[SMT]

Just stopped by to shake my head in consternation at the sorry state of this thread.

 

[poseyjmac]

Just stopped by to shake my head in consternation at the sorry state of this thread.

and contribute a useless post i might add. theres nothing sorry about the state of this thread. the truth is being known thats all.

 

[Letters]

And I thought it was going to preload after Steam updated tonight...

 

[Agent.M]

HAHA its funny how majority of people that think its vavles fault in this thread are long time members that need some kind of assurance everyday, and many new people that Im just seeing post here for the first time or rarely ever do are saying that its not vavles fault, hmmmm what is that telling me.....well...that maybe some of you people that are obssesed with vavle give them a break for G#d's sake!

 

[Mr. Redundant]

HAHA its funny how majority of people that think its vavles fault in this thread are long time members that need some kind of assurance everyday, and many new people that Im just seeing post here for the first time or rarely ever do are saying that its not vavles fault, hmmmm what is that telling me.....well...that maybe some of you people that are obssesed with vavle give them a break for G#d's sake!

look out your age is showing.
next time read the thread and understand that people are different.
I would explain that people arent complaining or saying that it is Valves fault.. but the likelyness of you reading this post is very low.

you have said the same thing differently 3 times, try and add something or just simply stay out of the thread.
thanks :cheers: appreciated.

 

[Sasuke]

just try and take a less arrogant approach in the future.
welcome to the forums btw.

Gah! :O I wasn't trying to sound arrogant there... I honestly was just trying to thank the guy and apologize for my lengthly spewing.

lol, and I'm sorry but I don't understand the argument of morals... is it supposed to be Valve's morals at fault for delaying something and causing people with no morals to pirate the game? :| It seems that in that case, it's really more the fault of the people who choose to break the law, and Valve is just a victim.

And thank you Mr. Redundant, I'm enjoying being part of the forums very much, newb though I am at this point. :thumbs:

 

[poseyjmac]

HAHA its funny how majority of people that think its vavles fault in this thread are long time members that need some kind of assurance everyday, and many new people that Im just seeing post here for the first time or rarely ever do are saying that its not vavles fault, hmmmm what is that telling me.....well...that maybe some of you people that are obssesed with vavle give them a break for G#d's sake!

yes, but not all the long time members are brainwashed valve fanboys. im a hl2 fanboy though no doubt about that.

and actually i want the contrary of assurance, id rather valve tells us nothing than try and assure us and fail. the ones who are obsessed with valve are the ones who blindly defend them. im just trying to bring to light the truth. by admiring valve and admitting their faults, its actually far from being obsessed, just being real.

 

[Mr. Redundant]

lol, and I'm sorry but I don't understand the argument of morals... is it supposed to be Valve's morals at fault for delaying something and causing people with no morals to pirate the game? :| It seems that in that case, it's really more the fault of the people who choose to break the law, and Valve is just a victim.

I never made that arguement...in fact that is retarded.
downloading warez versions of software is ILLEGAL period.

what people are saying is that they are angry because Valve simply dont care to inform the public of what is going on.

they dont have an obligation to, they dont need to say a damn thing.
but it still pisses people off, especially ones who have built systems ONLY for HL2.. etc etc.

has nothing to do with morals really.. just how people feel.... you cant really argue that.. it doesnt bother you, it bothers others.. thats life God made us all differently

 

[Roland Deschain]

It is insanely east to hack into wares. Steam made it difficult for 2 weeks, but they are already at least 10 different ways to hack steam and play CS:S.

 

[Agent.M]

look out your age is showing.
next time read the thread and understand that people are different.
I would explain that people arent complaining or saying that it is Valves fault.. but the likelyness of you reading this post is very low.

you have said the same thing differently 3 times, try and add something or just simply stay out of the thread.
thanks :cheers: appreciated.

My age Im 23 how bout yourself if you wanna get in details, and Im am bringing something to the table my own opinion your saying the same thing over again as well just in a different way, dont imply someones maturity when you do the same thing.

 

[poseyjmac]

lol, and I'm sorry but I don't understand the argument of morals... is it supposed to be Valve's morals at fault for delaying something and causing people with no morals to pirate the game? :| It seems that in that case, it's really more the fault of the people who choose to break the law, and Valve is just a victim.

consider that there are not a lot of game companies that make the promises that valve does and then break them. what does that tell you? and what do you think these companies think of valve? do you think they approve? you seem to think its normal what valve is doing, but line valve up with all the other companies and its apparent that it isn't the norm.

 

[Sasuke]

Heh, I just had the thought that perhaps someone at Valve moniters these boards just to keep an eye on the state of the fan population... of course they would keep quiet, but if they are reading this I really wonder what their thoughts are...

 

[Democritus]

FRAGMASTER!!! Where are you!?!?! It's seriously time for the third installment of your wonderful Valve delay movies.

 

[Agent.M]

yes, but not all the long time members are brainwashed valve fanboys. im a hl2 fanboy though no doubt about that.

and actually i want the contrary of assurance, id rather valve tells us nothing than try and assure us and fail. the ones who are obsessed with valve are the ones who blindly defend them. im just trying to bring to light the truth. by admiring valve and admitting their faults, its actually far from being obsessed, just being real.

Yeah I can agree with the part that valve shouldnt give out dates with the track record they have with them, and considering they know how people react when they dont hit the EXACT date, but either way valve owes you all nothing just like they owe me nothing so you shouldnt bash themlike some are cause in a couple months when your all playing hl2 your gonna think there gods, and look like idiots when you look back on this thread.

Heh, I just had the thought that perhaps someone at Valve moniters these boards just to keep an eye on the state of the fan population... of course they would keep quiet, but if they are reading this I really wonder what their thoughts are...

Yeah no kidding I hope they do read this thread.

 

[Mr. Redundant]

My age Im 23 how bout yourself if you wanna get in details, and Im am bringing something to the table my own opinion your saying the same thing over again as well just in a different way, dont imply someones maturaty when you do the same thing.

sorry I should have said Maturity/intellect but I didnt want to be mean.
Im 22 actually

this is how Your addition to the thread came off to me "lols lols :cheers: u guys are teh stupid and obsessed wit teh Hl2, LOLS! dnt u knoe tat Valve is teh infalilalble?"

ok seriously, I just took offense to you continualy just reiterating that you think people were silly for getting angry that Valve missed another preload.

it would be better if you perhaps said something like Sasuke, who gave reasons why he felt the way he did.

they have a right to feel the way they do.
as I said, you can have your own opinion thats fine, but (as I said earlier) when you have an opinion Of another person's opinion, and you post it.. you might as well just post "lols post count +1"

attack the issue not the people who have their own VALID take on the situation, if Valve had never done this before, then sure it would be silly (hell I used to be the preacher, however it wears off.. just takes longer for others)... but that isnt the case.

 

[poseyjmac]

Yeah I can agree with the part that valve shouldnt give out dates with the track record they have with them, and considering they know how people react when they dont hit the EXACT date, but either way valve owes you all nothing just like they owe me nothing so you shouldnt bash themlike some are cause in a couple months when your all playing hl2 your gonna think there gods, and look like idiots when you look back on this thread.

well for one im not bashing valve. its in the same way a friend is not bashing another friend when exposing his weakness as to improve their friendship. just being real and its for the best.

two, its common knowledge valve doesn't owe me the game, im not talking about the game anymore. just respect and responsibility.

three, it would be wise not to be so clumsy and aggressive with your posts if you want your opinion to even be considered.

 

[Sasuke]

*sigh* Machine, I'm genuinely sorry (sort of) for being such a smartass, but read over things more carefully before telling us how we're going to be thinking in the near future; I'm pretty sure all of us here are well aware how much we appreciate Valve.

And another suggestion: use a spelling and grammar check next time? You're what... 23? Shouldn't you know the difference between "there", "their", and "they're"? by now? hmm, I won't press the issue, but I'd expect most everyone to be capable of the most simple linguistic usage, and, I'm 15.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

VALVE AS SUXOR!!!

 

[Roland Deschain]

Valve people are optimists with poor planning skills, and those are the worst.

 

[Sasuke]

Damn, we all kind of ganged up on Machine there, now I'm hoping he's not all mad.

But Mr-Fusion... um, yeah, you can go ahead and stick your head in a bucket of piranas, in fact, please do :flame:

 

[poseyjmac]

*sigh* Machine, I'm genuinely sorry (sort of) for being such a smartass, but read over things more carefully before telling us how we're going to be thinking in the near future; I'm pretty sure all of us here are well aware how much we appreciate Valve.

And another suggestion: use a spelling and grammar check next time? You're what... 23? Shouldn't you know the difference between "there", "their", and "they're"? by now? hmm, I won't press the issue, but I'd expect most everyone to be capable of the most simple linguistic usage, and, I'm 15.

you going to reply to my post that was directed at you last page?

 

[Mr-Fusion]

But Mr-Fusion... um, yeah, you can go ahead and stick your head in a bucket of piranas, in fact, please do

Settle down elmo, lol we're just having some fun bagging the shit outta Valve



Hahaha here, join in, it's a lot of fun.

And in a totally unrelated topic, i found this image on 4chan. That dude standing 20 m from the fire is taking a photo. What an idiot!!! RUN YOU IDIOT!!

 

[Mr. Redundant]

And in a totally unrelated topic, i found this image on 4chan. That dude standing 20 m from the fire is taking a photo. What an idiot!!! RUN YOU IDIOT!!

wow that looks cool

 

[Agent.M]

*sigh* Machine, I'm genuinely sorry (sort of) for being such a smartass, but read over things more carefully before telling us how we're going to be thinking in the near future; I'm pretty sure all of us here are well aware how much we appreciate Valve.

And another suggestion: use a spelling and grammar check next time? You're what... 23? Shouldn't you know the difference between "there", "their", and "they're"? by now? hmm, I won't press the issue, but I'd expect most everyone to be capable of the most simple linguistic usage, and, I'm 15.

haha yeah you should have seen my english grades in college im not the best typer or writer, Im just saying that im sure most peolpe will think differently about valve once the waiting is over and your playing the game, and that its bad to see valve being looked down upon for a pre-load slip date when Im sure they are trying.

 

[iamaelephant]

...but either way valve owes you all nothing just like they owe me nothing so you shouldnt bash themlike some are...

Wrong, Valve do owe me something. We have gone over this.

 

[FISKER_Q]

Edit: Gonna clean it up

There is no point in fighting iamanelephant.
It's pointless to keep fighting, you can't win. Cause his delusions tell him otherwise.

Now to debate something of his arguments though:

"bla bla ati key voucher bla bla visit site bla bla"

ATI reserves the right to modify this promotional offer for clarification purposes. This promotional offer form has no cash value. All decisions of ATI relating to this promotional offer are final.

I doubt i need to explain that more. Other than that means LEGALLY that you can't do **** about it if they scratch it. (Unless law in other countries state otherwise). The legal agreement between you and ATi, not you and Valve. Valve and ATi might have a legal agreement about delays, game being cancelled, etc. Cause it's ATi[/b ] that payed for the games not YOU.

"bla bla Valve is irresponsible, don't set dates bla bla"

Well it's you that want them in the first time. Consider how many times Valve have been emailed about Team Fortress 2 cause they were forced to "silence" it. All they're trying to do is to give and recieve feedback from the community. So in a way you could say we're actually all working together towards one goal, and that goal is to get a great game.

You have given them your ideas, your feedback, your bug reports. In return they've given us the games, the "insider" information, and the community. So both parts involved in this is both giving and recieving. If we stop giving, we might also stop recieving, however the community is far too big for that now.

Also it was very responsible that they decided to pull it apart, i want to see the hands of all whiners that complain of slow updates when they're released. It's not news that Valve has always had troubles with getting updates uploade, be that if it is steam or in the wontimes.

Also again they gave you information about it actually being delayed those couple of days.

"My boss would've fired me totally cause bla bla"

i doubt he would've fired you, let alone himself.

We do work with deadlines all the time. And as long as we are doing what we can to uphold that deadline we are allowed to fail. And nomatter what, you will have delays, but there are 2 kinds of delays.

Lucky delays or unlucky delays.

The lucky delay is something like having to fix a computer and in the process it doesn't work. But it then turns out to only be a cabling issue. These small little delays are usually not enough to fill up the time you use in a deadline.

Then there's the unlucky delays. Let's say you're fixing the same computer, you fhought that it might've been a cabling issue from soundcard to speakers. However you find out it's because Creative sucks, and now you have to manually remove all drivers, registry entries, drivers, program files, shared libraries, everything.

And when those incidents happen i phone up my boss, say my assignment will be delayed, then i ask him to get some cleaning utilities ready and upload them to the main server.

So no generally you wouldn't be fired from missing deadlines unless your boss is an ass. But in your case of "We are the boss of Gabe", you are totally correct that the boss is an ass.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

 

[Pitbul]

So HL2 Preload is delayed 1 day, then 3 days, so then 6 days, then 12 days. then 24...and so on and so on...etc,etc.

 

[Agent.M]

well for one im not bashing valve. its in the same way a friend is not bashing another friend when exposing his weakness as to improve their friendship. just being real and its for the best.

two, its common knowledge valve doesn't owe me the game, im not talking about the game anymore. just respect and responsibility.

three, it would be wise not to be so clumsy and aggressive with your posts if you want your opinion to even be considered.

No I wasnt saying you as in you personaly I worded that wrong I was saying in general, why do you think a video game company owes you respect or responsibilty?

 

[poseyjmac]

No I wasnt saying you as in you personaly I worded that wrong I was saying in general, why do you think a video game company owes you respect or responsibilty?

they owe it to everyone including themselves to not piss people off which is easily attainable. its also a common thing amongst most game developers. now are these developers just going out of their way to be angels for the fans? or is this the norm and valve is not up to those standards?

 

[Democritus]

Geez. It's not a matter of whether they owe us anything or if they're "trying hard." They don't and they are. It's about attracting and keeping customers by being a professional company. Being professional means, among other things, (1) keeping deadlines and promises, (2) advertising your product well (3) communicating well with the community, and (4) having a killer product. They've got #4, but they SUCK at everything else.

1. All of the NUMEROUS release gaffes as by someone else documented above
2. Not telling everyone about the HL2 delay until a few days before it was supposed to be released though they knew about it for months
3. They say they'll release SDK before the game then backpedal months later
4. They promise all the binks on steam. They release a few, pull them all, then release them much later on Bittorrent???
5. They promise a benchmark "soon," months pass, then nearly a year later it comes out--FOR ATI/CZ owners ONLY. Hello???
6. They say CS:CZ has "Gone Gold" and then the game disappears for months with NO WORD where it went.
7. They have a official (cob)website that exists for absolutely no reason at all save to take up (cyber)space. Yes they have people that don't work on HL2 that could take 10 minutes to post stuff on it.

And etc. Don't get me wrong, they certainly have all the right in the world to do whatever they want however they want, and despite my disappointments, I'll buy the game.

But DON'T say I'm a baby or and an idot or a whiner when as a "customer" I make the assertion (based on ample evidence) that Valve does not satisfy my notion of a "professional" company. I want to see them do well, but whether the fanboys like it or not, they ARE becoming a laughing stock.

If you want to see a company that communicates well --even through release date delays-- see Bioware.

 

[Agent.M]

Damn, we all kind of ganged up on Machine there, now I'm hoping he's not all mad.

But Mr-Fusion... um, yeah, you can go ahead and stick your head in a bucket of piranas, in fact, please do :flame:

No its ok I dont mind at all especially with a discussion like this!