Rabbis demand boy be recircumcised

[Raziaar]

what? no, I said it when I was driving to daycare ..not at daycare I wouldnt do that

and I mumbled it ..my son said "you said ****ing bastard daddy?" ..and I said "ummm no I said frickin frackin" amd he said "nooo, you said ****ing bastard daddy" (in a cute 3 yr old voice)

OH I misread. I thought you said he repeated it after you got to daycare. That would have been... epic.

Frickin Frackin? You sound like Ned Flanders. Hehehe.

Well, hidilly-diddily-diddily-daddily-diddily-daddily! Hi-diddly-ho, neighbor-ino!

Hehe. Lets just hope that young mind forgets it quickly, and doesn't act like a parrot.

 

[CptStern]

heh my son is a he not a she ...my daughter on the other hand is a she

and yes I do use flanderesses' terminology when trying not to swear ..or more precisely Homer: ...remember the swear jar?

"In the yard, Homer hits his thumb with a hammer, but says, ``Oh, fudge.'' Upon stepping on a nail, ``Fiddle-dee-dee. That will require a tetanus shot.''

 

[Raziaar]

heh my son is a he not a she ...my daughter on the other hand is a she

and yes I do use flanderesses' terminology when trying not to swear ..or more precisely Homer: ...remember the swear jar?

"In the yard, Homer hits his thumb with a hammer, but says, ``Oh, fudge.'' Upon stepping on a nail, ``Fiddle-dee-dee. That will require a tetanus shot.''

That was a typo mistake.

 

[15357]

I think the above posts are a major reason why I love this forum so much.

 

[Reaktor4]

So what'd Penn & Teller have to say about it in the end?

That it was bullshit, and that it is one of the most evil things happening in america today (iirc).

Oh, and what did the circumcisions look like?

They strapped down the babies then used this metal thing to stretch out and cut the foreskin. Lots of blood amd screaming. And they had an old man who for a long time put some weighted thing on his pen0r to make his foreskin grow back.. and it showed him using it :x

 

[Solaris]

There was a Penn and Teller episode on Google Video, its been taken down now, but they were talking about circumsition. And there was a women ( a doctor) who did it on babies, and they showed a video of it. The baby was in so much pain, they did a brain scan at the same time and it was pain.

Its the most horrible and downright brutal thing to do to a baby who cannot defend themselves.

 

[gick]

On the subject of faith schools, I think that they should be allowed - freedom of religion is, I believe, a pretty fundamental right (part of free speech/expression). However, I am pretty pissed off that my tax money is being used to teach children to blindly obey archaic, divisive, bullshit.

If you want to brainwash your kids, fine. Just keep it in the private sector - I dont want to be complicit in what effectively amounts to child abuse.

 

[PvtRyan]

On the subject of faith schools, I think that they should be allowed - freedom of religion is, I believe, a pretty fundamental right (part of free speech/expression). However, I am pretty pissed off that my tax money is being used to teach children to blindly obey archaic, divisive, bullshit.

If you want to brainwash your kids, fine. Just keep it in the private sector - I dont want to be complicit in what effectively amounts to child abuse.

Why is it fine to brainwash your child? Freedom of religion is not freedom to be an asshole. Freedom of religion is freedom to believe in whatever Invisible Sky Gods you wish, without being prosecuted for it, which is a good thing. But I don't see how it can justify parents passing it through to their children as a fact.

Kids are so susceptible, if you can make them believe without question that there is in fact a jolly fat man in a sled flown by ****ing reindeer, visiting millions of households in a single night. How hard do you think it is to teach your kid, who has no scientific concepts at all, that the universe was created by such a Sky God and that he'll go to hell if he doesn't accept Jesus as his savior?

but the school you described fits the mold of "faith school" ...any school that pushes religious education no matter how involved or not is a faith school

Well, I know schools that are "Christian" public schools, and lots of Christian parents send their kids to it, but they're comparatively secular because what they teach is nothing different from the secular public primary school I went to. But by real faith schools I mean the current 'problem' we have here with Muslim schools. They're not secular at all, and just wrong.

not that I'm in any way defending religion cuz most people here know how I feel about that ...but to be fair parents push their own ideology without religion ..either consciously or uncousciously ..it's unavoidable

my 3 yr old repeated the words "****ing bastard" this morning on the way to daycare. ..cuz I mumbled it when someone cut me off (gotta watch what I say) ..in a sense by using profanity I shape his vocabulary/attitude that can last a lifetime

Yes, but as I said, lets at least keep the schools neutral without religious taint. Ideally, parents should be neutral as well, but you can't control that. And your kid picking up words he shouldn't use is something different than teaching personal beliefs as a certainty.

yes ...christian schools are popular in the US



why not? obviously it couldnt be at a really young age because they wouldnt understand a word of it ..but I see no problems with taking a course on communism ...a school might be a little much considering there really isnt that much to it (wear drab uniforms, wait in line for days for a loaf of bread and study dead guys who may or may not have been pulling everyone's leg)

The point I'm trying to make is, that people would find it strange if you would push your political beliefs onto your children from a young age, but we somehow accept it when it's religion, because it's religion, which is a stupid reason, everything should be open to question, religious motivations too. With political beliefs, everyone would agree that children are too young to make a conscious decision about it and that they should find out for themselves at a later time. Why is religion any different?

philistine! face it you're tone deaf :E

:shh:

 

[gick]

Why is it fine to brainwash your child? Freedom of religion is not freedom to be an asshole. Freedom of religion is freedom to believe in whatever Invisible Sky Gods you wish, without being prosecuted for it, which is a good thing. But I don't see how it can justify parents passing it through to their children as a fact.

Thinking about it, your probably right. Maybe i'm just being too tolerant!

 

[repiV]

well then if you understood why would you take as anything but tongue in cheek? methinks you didnt





even then you have no right unless it infringes on your rights ....so how exactly are they infringing on your rights?

Er, of course I don't have a right to go around dictating to people what they can and can't do. You take the use of the word far too literally.

again I feel the need to remind you that I live in the most ethnically diverse city on the planet ..as of yet my wife hasnt begun to wear a veil, the national anthem is not in chinese and we do not hold the sabbath sacred

You just don't get it, do you?
Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. Just because we are not suddenly living under Islamic rule does not mean that there is no threat.

again how are they "infringing on the rights of others"?

Which "they" are you referring to?

how am I being traitorous to my country? please explain because you'll have to fill in the gaps for me because I have yet to stand trial for treason

By doing more to protect the rights of Islam to turn your country into a shithole than ensuring the continued success of it.

oh cooooome on you cant expect me to believe that bullshit when you go out of your way to consistently generalise muslims

I don't really care what you believe.

a society wide problem? what exactly is the UK suffering from that the rest of the developed world isnt?

What are you babbling on about?

what values am I pushing aside? intolerance? isolationism? nationalism? hatred based on creed/colour?

Freedom of speech. Equal opportunities. Secularism. Democracy. You know, all those things that don't tend to have a good relationship with Islam.
In fact by being so damn tolerant of absolutely anything that enters your country you are helping to breed intolerance and hatred based on creed/colour. Islam is the most intolerant ideology there is that has any influence.

what inroads? what exactly is so pressing that it's destroying the very fabric of the UK? ..and more importantly why isnt it on the news? "Muslim Menace threats commonwealth! Will King Arthur return in our time of need?

The inroads that have been outlined on numerous occassions but which you always ignore?
You're mind-bogglingly shortsighted.

 

[CptStern]

Er, of course I don't have a right to go around dictating to people what they can and can't do. You take the use of the word far too literally.

I do? as in "you have the right to choose whatever education you deem fit, regardless of it's the "right" choice or not" ...well then guilty as charged ...you however seem tot hink there's specific rights accorded depending on background

You just don't get it, do you?
Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. Just because we are not suddenly living under Islamic rule does not mean that there is no threat.

what threat? the threat that one day you'll suddenly be living under islamic rule?

Which "they" are you referring to?

they only "they" you know ..anyone not fitting your narrowly defined version of what it means to a citizen of your respective country

By doing more to protect the rights of Islam to turn your country into a shithole than ensuring the continued success of it.

:rolling: whoop-dee-****ing-doo you've gone off the deep end! Islamist conspiracy ftl ..how am I "protecting the rights of Islam"? ..this should be interesting

I don't really care what you believe.

polite way of saying "I know what you are but what am I"

What are you babbling on about?

what part of "problem" and "UK" are you not understanding?

Freedom of speech. Equal opportunities. Secularism. Democracy. You know, all those things that don't tend to have a good relationship with Islam.

so I'm actively pushing aside these things in order to protect muslims? .... :rolling: what? how? where? and by whom?

In fact by being so damn tolerant of absolutely anything that enters your country you are helping to breed intolerance and hatred based on creed/colour. Islam is the most intolerant ideology there is that has any influence.

lol have you ever met a foreigner? ..I mean that wasnt underneath your booted heel at the time .. do you always generalise like that or is it exclusive to muslims or anyone with dark skin who might be muslim

The inroads that have been outlined on numerous occassions but which you always ignore?
You're mind-bogglingly shortsighted.

the seeing eye dogs? the no booze in taxi cabs ...real inroads there, soon they'll in your schools and in your churches and in your cricket matches!! :O ..the next thing you know the cobbled streets will run with infidel blood!!

/me bites nails nervously

 

[repiV]

I do? as in "you have the right to choose whatever education you deem fit, regardless of it's the "right" choice or not" ...well then guilty as charged ...you however seem tot hink there's specific rights accorded depending on background

As I've said and demonstrated, the religious are afforded special privileges. Especially when it's a foreign religion.

what threat? the threat that one day you'll suddenly be living under islamic rule?

That in itself is unlikely. What is more likely to happen is that small "adjustments" and demands will keep being made here and there, the rest of the country will get more and more pissed off and Muslim communities will become more and more insulated until finally we end up with either a civil war or a fascist government.
All those problems could be avoided by taking appropriate action now.

they only "they" you know ..anyone not fitting your narrowly defined version of what it means to a citizen of your respective country

Oh please.

:rolling: whoop-dee-****ing-doo you've gone off the deep end! Islamist conspiracy ftl ..how am I "protecting the rights of Islam"? ..this should be interesting

Because, whether you realise it or not, you afford them special privileges. You allow them to practice cultural imperialism on your own soil. You encourage segregation and call it inclusion.

polite way of saying "I know what you are but what am I"

Not really.

what part of "problem" and "UK" are you not understanding?

I was referring to that as opposed to a smaller scale problem, so I have no idea what the hell you're on about.

so I'm actively pushing aside these things in order to protect muslims? .... :rolling: what? how? where? and by whom?

Through apathy.

lol have you ever met a foreigner? ..I mean that wasnt underneath your booted heel at the time .. do you always generalise like that or is it exclusive to muslims or anyone with dark skin who might be muslim

Oh, sure, the borough I live in has the highest concentration of Hindus in the whole of the UK - but I've never met any foreigners!

Meet my best friend, who got her citizenship last year.

the seeing eye dogs? the no booze in taxi cabs ...real inroads there, soon they'll in your schools and in your churches and in your cricket matches!! :O ..the next thing you know the cobbled streets will run with infidel blood!!

/me bites nails nervously

Yes, they are quite significant actually, although by no means not the only inroads. They are practicing discrimination in a way that is normally considered abhorrent in our society. And yet you stand happily by, for no other reason than "it's their culture".

 

[Mr-Fusion]

I can agree that it is wrong that people can do certain things due to the religion, but I disagree with it being a form of mutilation - As it stands, it has no adverse effects and is said to be more healthy than not. Again, I agree with the problem of the child having no say, but it is something that can't really be dealt with unless you ban the circumsicion of young children completly unless for medical reasons.

Just my half asleep musings on the matter

Replace penis with vagina and replace boy with girl.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20687424-1702,00.html
MAN JAILED FOR FOR CIRCUMSIZING DAUGHTER

A GEORGIA court today found a man guilty of sexually mutilating his two-year-old daughter with a pair of scissors, the first proven case of female genital mutilation in the US.

Suddenly if it's a girl it becomes mutilation and the mutilator (there's an idea for a comic book villain) jailed.

Mutilate a boy and people are ok with it? Hypocrisy, dig it.

 

[Llama]

Replace penis with vagina and replace boy with girl.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20687424-1702,00.html
MAN JAILED FOR FOR CIRCUMSIZING DAUGHTER


Suddenly if it's a girl it becomes mutilation and the mutilator (there's an idea for a comic book villain) jailed.

Mutilate a boy and people are ok with it? Hypocrisy, dig it.

D:

 

[Raziaar]

Oh, sure, the borough I live in has the highest concentration of Hindus in the whole of the UK - but I've never met any foreigners!

Meet my best friend, who got her citizenship last year.

She's clearly white!

 

[repiV]

She's clearly white!

Har har.

 

[CptStern]

As I've said and demonstrated, the religious are afforded special privileges. Especially when it's a foreign religion.

of course religions are given special privileges ..that's pretty much the norm everywhere around the globe ..are jews not given "special" privileges when they're allowed to take certain days off throughout the year? ...I really dont see what you're arguing here ..we went from circumcision to faith schools that for all intents and purposes is the norm the world wide

That in itself is unlikely. What is more likely to happen is that small "adjustments" and demands will keep being made here and there, the rest of the country will get more and more pissed off and Muslim communities will become more and more insulated until finally we end up with either a civil war or a fascist government.

that's one heck of a leap of faith ..from wearing veils in public to fascist dictatorships ..slippery slope/appeal to fear logical fallacy

All those problems could be avoided by taking appropriate action now.

which is what exactly? what do you propose be the "final" solution?

Because, whether you realise it or not, you afford them special privileges. You allow them to practice cultural imperialism on your own soil. You encourage segregation and call it inclusion.

have we met before? do we know each other? have you ever been to canada? if not then how can you sit there and say with absolutely certainty that I'm affording anybody "special privileges"? ...you probably should visit my city ..might see what the positive effects of intermingling with other enthic groups looks like.

Through apathy.

again you dont know me, you dont know the first thing about my country and you certainly cant make that assessment based on nothing more than text ..let me ask you this ..did you support the invasion of Iraq? if not did you do something about it? if you did initially support it do you now recognise that your apathy and those like you led to terrorist attacks on your soil? the longer you're in iraq/afghanistan the more of a threat of retaliation you face ...stop looking at ways at blaming others for your mess start looking at how your actions perpetuate these problems ...how many terrorist attacks were there prior to the invasion of iraq?

Oh, sure, the borough I live in has the highest concentration of Hindus in the whole of the UK - but I've never met any foreigners!

Meet my best friend, who got her citizenship last year.

yes I've seen that image before ..well colour me surprised you know a dark person (hope you got permission to use her image in a gaming forum)

oh btw I'm sure you're critical of her religion's treatment of women over the years? or how extremist groups try to censor media, or how extremists attack other religions, or how extremists have committed murder in the name of their religion

I'm sure you shove that into her face because as a hindu she is responsible for every act perpetrated in her religion's name ......so why are muslims any different? is my secretary responsible for 9/11? should I just stab her now before it's too late?

Yes, they are quite significant actually,

no they are not, especially since I have proved repeatedly that it was an individual choice and NOT mandated by their religion

although by no means not the only inroads. They are practicing discrimination in a way that is normally considered abhorrent in our society. And yet you stand happily by, for no other reason than "it's their culture".

poppycocks! again you have no idea who I am or what I do with my life ..you're just pissing in the wind hoping to hit something

 

[Krynn72]

I belive that backwards viper just got sternowned.

 

[DeusExMachina]

I like my circumcised penis.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Just expanding on the mutilator comic book villain. He would prowl the streets in a cape of foreskins. Foreskins harvested from his enemies.

He would shoot foreskins from a specially designed gun and the tyres of his vehicle would be constructed from...yes..exactly..foreskins.

?

 

[delusional]

i like my uncircumsized penis

kill your secretary before its too late stern, she will paint your body brown and condemn you to suicidal bomb people!!!

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Just expanding on the mutilator comic book villain. He would prowl the streets in a cape of foreskins. Foreskins harvested from his enemies.

He would shoot foreskins from a specially designed gun and the tyres of his vehicle would be constructed from...yes..exactly..foreskins.

?

It's not that the story is funny, but the question mark at the end made me laugh.

 

[repiV]

of course religions are given special privileges ..that's pretty much the norm everywhere around the globe ..are jews not given "special" privileges when they're allowed to take certain days off throughout the year? ...I really dont see what you're arguing here ..we went from circumcision to faith schools that for all intents and purposes is the norm the world wide

Everyone is allowed to take certain days off around the year. It's called a holiday entitlement.
Religions should be given no special privileges whatsoever.

that's one heck of a leap of faith ..from wearing veils in public to fascist dictatorships ..slippery slope/appeal to fear logical fallacy

Shut up about your damn logical fallacies. It's a simple prediction of the future, see? You just wait. Eventually people won't take any more of the Islam-is-great bullshit and they will just snap.

which is what exactly? what do you propose be the "final" solution?

Why, I've already proposed several. But so long as the deluded like yourself are still in denial that there is any problem at all, it's not really the issue.

have we met before? do we know each other? have you ever been to canada? if not then how can you sit there and say with absolutely certainty that I'm affording anybody "special privileges"? ...you probably should visit my city ..might see what the positive effects of intermingling with other enthic groups looks like.

Have you ever been to Britain?
So you talk about "the positive effects of intermingling with other ethnic groups" and yet you support multiculturalism. Which results in the segregation of ethnic groups. Make up your mind.
If I was a foreigner living here (or anywhere), I would consider the concept of multiculturalism utterly patronising.
Intermingling with other ethnic groups is a very positive thing, the problem is that it just DOESN'T HAPPEN here very much. Especially with Muslims and others.

again you dont know me, you dont know the first thing about my country and you certainly cant make that assessment based on nothing more than text

You don't know me either, and clearly you don't know the first thing about my country. It doesn't stop you making all kinds of wild assumptions about me, such as that I don't mingle with other ethnic groups or I need to join a hate group.
For all you or I know, British Muslims and Canadian Muslims could be very very different.
And, yet again, you still don't get it. It's got nothing to do with "other ethnic groups". It's got to do with Muslims - particularly Middle Eastern Muslims.
I'd be a ****load more suspicious of a white Muslim than an olive-skinned one, that's for sure.

..let me ask you this ..did you support the invasion of Iraq? if not did you do something about it? if you did initially support it do you now recognise that your apathy and those like you led to terrorist attacks on your soil? the longer you're in iraq/afghanistan the more of a threat of retaliation you face ...stop looking at ways at blaming others for your mess start looking at how your actions perpetuate these problems ...how many terrorist attacks were there prior to the invasion of iraq?

No, I did not support the invasion of Iraq.
We have every right to be in Afghanistan, and are in fact doing the people of that country a service by being there.
Yes, Iraq has fuelled terrorism, but you're just absolving the terrorists of any blame of their own. It's all Bush and Blair's fault. How reprehensible.
What baffles me is Blair's "commitment to fighting terror" abroad yet his utter apathy in fighting rising Islamic influence at home. He's got it completely the wrong way round.
Furthermore, the real problem is little to do with terrorism. It's to do with a culture that is completely incompatible with our own, a highly aggressive, backwards, oppressive, prosletysing culture that shuns integration which cannot be allowed to take hold here.
The real problem is the danger that we will lose our identity, our history, our economic strength, our way of life and everything else that makes us what we are to a barbaric foreign ideology that is spreading like a virus.

yes I've seen that image before ..well colour me surprised you know a dark person (hope you got permission to use her image in a gaming forum)

oh btw I'm sure you're critical of her religion's treatment of women over the years? or how extremist groups try to censor media, or how extremists attack other religions, or how extremists have committed murder in the name of their religion

I'm sure you shove that into her face because as a hindu she is responsible for every act perpetrated in her religion's name ......so why are muslims any different? is my secretary responsible for 9/11? should I just stab her now before it's too late?

I'm sorry, where did I ever say she was a Hindu?
And why do you continue to not grasp the problem at hand? It's as if you're using all your available willpower to be ignorant.

no they are not, especially since I have proved repeatedly that it was an individual choice and NOT mandated by their religion

Who cares if it was "mandated" by their religion? Technicality. Yeah, that proves a lot.
It's also mandated by Islam that women belong to their men and that those of other religions live under dhimmitude, but I don't see you talking about that. How convinient.

poppycocks! again you have no idea who I am or what I do with my life ..you're just pissing in the wind hoping to hit something

An accurate appraisal of yourself.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

It's unusual here to NOT be cut. So...

 

[kirovman]

Have you ever been Recircumcised, RT?

 

[zleppelin]

I'm circumsized and I don't think it's bad at all, I don't mind in the slightest. It's not mutilation either it's not like the doctor carved his initials on the end of my penis, he just removed the foreskin.

post a pic