Ritual meat enters EU food supply

[unozero]

We were talking about this a few months ago....this is quite the eye opener I think.


edit:this is very disturbing btw viewers discretion is indeed advised.
It's very sad that people all over the World be it the U.S,Europe or Asia must appease these religious minorities.
Animal torture is against the law and yet we make an exception for Religious minorities,why?

 

[Raziaar]

Good god, where they had the cow's neck ripped open all the way to the spinal column. and his head flopping around and then suddenly collapsing limp.

jesus christ.

Some ****ing monstrous practices there.

And that bull... the expression on his face...

<sighs>

That video is a ****ing nightmare. I've seen those peta "meet your meat" videos and those were nothing compared to this.

 

[unozero]

I mean I guess I'm kinda a hypocrite cuz I eat meat and stuff but I wouldn't tellsome butcher to kill an animal this way so I can feel better about myself while chowing down.If anything I think normal people like you and me would want the Animal to suffer the least amount of pain possible.
I will NEVER but Hebrew National Hot Dogs again.

btw the people working in there must be suicidal doing that every day...I know I would go crazy after a while.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

Wait a minute, I thought Halal meat has been in the EU food supply for about a decade

 

[<RJMC>]

you didnt get the note? religious stuff is bad only if is christian

 

[Solaris]

Wait a minute, I thought Halal meat has been in the EU food supply for about a decade

This.

 

[Dekstar]

Yeah pretty much every kebab shop around here is Halal.

 

[Stylo]

Wait what? There are already tonnes of Halal shops over here in the UK?

Also, on the point of animal torture, they're supposed to be trained and given the proper tools for this shit to make it as humane as possible. This video perpetuates a false statement that Religions don't allow stunning before slaughter. They do but certain branches refuse to accept it. Good going for doing the whole "Every <name here> is the same" routine though. Awesome way to make people hate on those that don't deserve it.

 

[Raziaar]

I had to stop watching when they zoomed in on that cows face, I almost started crying.

Yeah man, that was really rough. You could see it in his expression he was wondering what the hell was happening to him.

 

[Darkside55]

I was eating a kosher pastrami sandwich while watching this video.

Tasty.

I think tomorrow I'll go get some kebab.

 

[Raziaar]

I was eating a kosher pastrami sandwich while watching this video.

Tasty.

I think tomorrow I'll go get some kebab.

You're cool.

 

[Darkside55]

Just can't get sad about watching animals I eat die. Sorry. Maybe it's because I've been on a farm before and actually done that stuff. We didn't have bolts to stun animals, we just sliced their necks or took off their heads, or skewered them. Had to prepare this pig once, for a wedding...skewered it, right through one end and out the other. It was still alive when we did it. I do think it bothered my mom though. The squealing.

Besides, it's completely hypocritical if you enjoy meat and then get all sad at seeing it die. Sorry cow. Your terrible last moments of agony mean that I get to enjoy a juicy steak.

 

[Krynn72]

Just can't get sad about watching animals I eat die. Maybe it's because I've Had to prepare this pig once...skewered it, right through one end and out the other. It was still alive

Yep, thats probably why. You were raised torturing animals and got desensitized to it. Makes sense.

I have to disagree about it being hypocritical. Their suffering doesn't provide any benefit to anybody or anything. Its entirely pointless and just cruel. The killing of them serves a purpose, the suffering... not so much.

 

[unozero]

Wait a minute, I thought Halal meat has been in the EU food supply for about a decade

true I think.but the point the vid was making (I think) was that today it's rarely labeled as such.

 

[Darkside55]

Yep, thats probably why. You were raised torturing animals and got desensitized to it. Makes sense.

I have to disagree about it being hypocritical. Their suffering doesn't provide any benefit to anybody or anything. Its entirely pointless and just cruel. The killing of them serves a purpose, the suffering... not so much.

Thing is, it's not as if the animal is being tortured for torture's sake. This isn't something like poking the animal in the eye, or slicing off bits and pieces of it while it's still alive for the purpose of exacting torture upon it. It's just methodical, almost clinical. You put animal on rack or in cage. Slit throat. You then prepare it for cutting. Lather, rinse, repeat. It doesn't even factor in when you do it.

You know the first time I had to kill a chicken, I tried to knock that thing out. I didn't want to hurt it when I cut off its head. You know how hard it is to knock out a chicken? It's harder than you'd think. In the end I think I caused it more pain trying to smash it against a wall to concuss the thing instead of just chopping its head off in the first place straightaway.

 

[JUL3]

That's why I'm a vegetarian. Awful, awful stuff.

 

[Stylo]

Eating meat is as nature intended us to be. IF YOU DON'T EAT MEAT YOU HATE EVOLUTION.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

Yeah pretty much every kebab shop around here is Halal.

I didn't think Donor Kebab was meat, per se :E

 

[Higlac]

I wouldn't call that animal cruelty. That's the way it's been done since animals were domesticated. Granted, they shouldn't be in the same room while being slaughtered, but the real animal cruelty is in how they are raised. IE: Veal, fois gras, and most industrial chicken farms.

 

[Raziaar]

I wouldn't call that animal cruelty. That's the way it's been done since animals were domesticated. Granted, they shouldn't be in the same room while being slaughtered, but the real animal cruelty is in how they are raised. IE: Veal, fois gras, and most industrial chicken farms.

Just because it's how it was done for millenia doesn't mean the animal isn't suffering x amount. That argument makes no sense. Just because it was done thousands of years ago like that doesn't mean that it's the best and proper way to do it. The best way is clearly stunning and knocking out the animal beforehand with the technology we have afforded to us.

And yes, the living conditions are also horrific.

 

[kineaesth]

I wouldn't call that animal cruelty. That's the way it's been done since animals were domesticated. Granted, they shouldn't be in the same room while being slaughtered, but the real animal cruelty is in how they are raised. IE: Veal, fois gras, and most industrial chicken farms.

"people have been raping each other for millenia! You can hardly call it violent or wrong, it has always been happening!"

 

[Bad^Hat]

The point is we have the ability to do it more humanely now, so why the need for these barbaric practices? Because of barbaric traditions. Simple as.

 

[Higlac]

OH NO THE COW IS IN PAIN FOR ALL OF 20 SECONDS. WHATEVER WILL WE DO? I'M NEVER GOING TO EAT MEAT AGAIN.

Grow up, that's the way things have been done, that's the way things will be done. Just because you may think it's cruel doesn't mean that it's going to happen any differently.

Don't like it? Go granola.

Also, KA, cows aren't people (sorry raz). You can rape a cow, and the cow won't say a thing. People are aware of their own existence. That's what sets us apart.

 

[kineaesth]

You can rape a cow, and the cow won't say a thing.

What sort of bizarro world do you live in? It's okay if no-one complains? Cows are just perambulating meat sacks with zero consciousness? What the **** are we even talking about here?

Also, in case you missed it, my previous post was an 'analogy'

Grow up, that's the way things have been done, that's the way things will be done. Just because you may think it's cruel doesn't mean that it's going to happen any differently.

Son, I don't know what sort of bleeding heart liberal you are here, but slavery is just the way things are done around here, it's the way it has been, and it's the way it's gonna be, nothing is going to change just because you disagree with it!

 

[Bad^Hat]

Also, KA, cows aren't people (sorry raz). You can rape a cow, and the cow won't say a thing. People are aware of their own existence. That's what sets us apart.

You don't work in a nursing home, do you? :v

 

[Maestro]

OH NO THE COW IS IN PAIN FOR ALL OF 20 SECONDS. WHATEVER WILL WE DO? I'M NEVER GOING TO EAT MEAT AGAIN.

Grow up, that's the way things have been done, that's the way things will be done. Just because you may think it's cruel doesn't mean that it's going to happen any differently.

Don't like it? Go granola.

Also, KA, cows aren't people (sorry raz). You can rape a cow, and the cow won't say a thing. People are aware of their own existence. That's what sets us apart.

That argument makes no sense, at least base it off something that makes sense like "I'll stop eating it when it can do algebra" or something.

 

[Higlac]

I just think you guys are over-reacting. Would you deny the Jews and Muslims their livelihood and a fundamental part of their religion just so that you feel better about the beef ending up on their tables?

What sort of bizarro world do you live in? It's okay if no-one complains? Cows are just perambulating meat sacks with zero consciousness? What the **** are we even talking about here?

Also, in case you missed it, my previous post was an 'analogy'

It seems you missed the sarcasm. The cattle were born and bred to do nothing but die, how it happens makes little difference. Will you sleep any better at night knowing that all cattle (in select parts of the world), instead of most cattle, are stunned before being murdered? Will you stop eating meat because there is a chance that it might not have been happy as it died?

Son, I don't know what sort of bleeding heart liberal you are here, but slavery is just the way things are done around here, it's the way it has been, and it's the way it's gonna be, nothing is going to change just because you disagree with it!

In case you didn't know, it took the bloodiest war in U.S. history to stop that little practice as well. Not that I agree with it in any way or form.

You don't work in a nursing home, do you? :v

I volunteered at one for quite a while, and also, even if they're comatose, they once had the full capabilities of anyone else.


Or maybe I'm just desensitized. Once a year, in the winter, I sit on top of a hill and I wait for bambi to go get his breakfast, or a drink of water, and I take my rifle, put a hole in him, then follow the trail of blood. Then after I find him lying there, dead or dying, I take out all of his insides, and then I put part of his head on my wall.

And there's two reasons why I do this: Venison is damn tasty, and the deer are a pest where I hunt. They eat a generous portion of farmer's crops, and have no natural predators.

Long story short: If you screw with the way someone makes a living, there will be controversy. As long as that controversy exists, there will be people trying to keep you from putting food on your family's table.

 

[Bad^Hat]

Would you deny the Jews and Muslims their livelihood and a fundamental part of their religion just so that you feel better about the beef ending up on their tables?

Yes.

In what way are their beliefs more important than the animal's suffering? I think it's less a case of us "overreacting" and more a case of which you value more. Clearly you'd rather people were able to impose needless suffering on animals for the sake of their beliefs than that the beliefs themselves be impugned or corrected. IMO, that's kind of dumb.

 

[unozero]

well said Zombie Turtle that what it boils down too.

 

[Krynn72]

I just think you guys are over-reacting. Would you deny the Jews and Muslims their livelihood and a fundamental part of their religion just so that you feel better about the beef ending up on their tables?

A) Its a little over-dramatic to say "deny their livelihood when they can subsist on humanely killed meat just fine.
B) Religious traditions shouldn't be respected just because they're religious traditions. I wouldn't respect the right of a Muslim to forcefully veil a woman, and I wouldn't respect the right of one to kill something in a tortuous fashion for no reason other than tradition.


I mean, I'm no hippie cow lover, and am fine with raising and killing animals for their tasty meats, but if we can do it more humanely then I'd push for that as any sane person would. Cruelty for religion's sake is ****ing retarded.

 

[Wanted Bob]

I mean, I'm no hippie cow lover, and am fine with raising and killing animals for their tasty meats, but if we can do it more humanely then I'd push for that as any sane person would. Cruelty for religion's sake is ****ing retarded.

Agreed. Working in the research sector, we constantly have to ensure that the animal is as comfortable as possible in all situations, even when its being killed. You can certainly imagine how many people would protest against animal testing if we didnt follow that rule, so why should this be any different? Aside from "avoiding a controversy" (which people shouldnt have to do in this case IMO), there is no reason certain butchers should get a free pass to do what they want.

 

[Absinthe]

I just think you guys are over-reacting. Would you deny the Jews and Muslims their livelihood and a fundamental part of their religion just so that you feel better about the beef ending up on their tables?

Yes, because that part of their religion is ****ing stupid.

 

[Higlac]

I'm merely respecting their right to choose and follow a religion. It seems to me that you guys are simply intolerant of other people's traditions and values. You may not have to support it, but you do have to respect the rights of other individuals.

Oh, and are you going to supply bolt guns to every slaughterhouse in the world? If you care that strongly about it, why not provide them to third world countries? After all, they do quite a bit of animal killing too.

Or, you know, actually do something about animal welfare. Maybe watch your meat intake: make sure that whatever chicken or beef you buy is raised properly, and killed humanely. Try supporting legislation which governs the way livestock is raised. Make compromises with the slaughterhouses, then undermine their financial gain and slaughter numbers by spreading the word not to buy from those companies. Don't just say "how horrible" on an internet forum, and continue your life as if nothing happened.

On a side-note, I find it amusing that so many of you will defend a minority group of animals from 20 seconds of pain, even though I know many of you support abortion. Could I expect the same reactions in another thread if I posted this video, and claimed how horrific it was?

 

[15357]

I mean, I'm no hippie cow lover, and am fine with raising and killing animals for their tasty meats, but if we can do it more humanely then I'd push for that as any sane person would. Cruelty for religion's sake is ****ing retarded.

I think along the same lines. Also, I have a clear disregard and contempt for other people's imaginary rights.

I don't really care for the welfare of things that can't solve algebraic linear equations, but something in my mind tells me that it's wrong for things that can feel pain to be subjected to pain. If it can't be avoided for the purposes of providing me with tasty meat, well why not make it quick as possible?

Also abortion is horrible and should be outlawed except in a select few cases.

 

[Bad^Hat]

I'm merely respecting their right to choose and follow a religion. It seems to me that you guys are simply intolerant of other people's traditions and values. You may not have to support it, but you do have to respect the rights of other individuals.

I'm going to ignore everything after this paragraph because it's ****ing irrelevant. Again, on what basis should I respect their beliefs more than I respect an animal's right not to die in needless anguish? In what way is it their "right" to wilfully ignore more humane methods on the basis of their religious traditions?

 

[StarBob]

Jesus... I've seen some disturbing things in my time but that just makes me cringe. How ****ing hard is it to use of of those ****ing little poppers and give the thing a reasonable death?

 

[Higlac]

In what way is it their "right" to wilfully ignore more humane methods on the basis of their religious traditions?

The same right that lets you criticize it. You may not like it, nor do you have to support it, but you absolutely must not infringe on someone's right to a religious belief based on your personal opinion.

Also, what I had to say was completely relevant. I suggested more efficient and feasible methods to reduce animal suffering during slaughter, as well as raising their standard of living.

 

[Krynn72]

The same right that lets you criticize it. You may not like it, nor do you have to support it, but you absolutely must not infringe on someone's right to a religious belief based on your personal opinion.

So you're okay with Muslims stoning people to death? You're ok with Muslims killing their daughters after they got raped? You're okay with uncivilized tribes killing other humans to cannibalize? Its tradition after all and must be respected.

Traditions do not inherently need to be allowed. If they are inhumane, illegal, immoral, sick or perverted then it should not be respected, and in fact, we as decent people have an obligation to see such traditions ended. What you're talking is such bullcrap that I can't even believe you're saying it. And that part where you compare it to abortion, holy fucking shit dude. Holy. Fucking. Shit.

 

[Higlac]

So you're okay with Muslims stoning people to death? You're ok with Muslims killing their daughters after they got raped? You're okay with uncivilized tribes killing other humans to cannibalize? Its tradition after all and must be respected.

I don't think I made myself clear, what I meant was that I have no respect for people who trod on other people's rights. Be it the right to choose a religion, the right to live, or the right to freedom of speech.

Traditions do not inherently need to be allowed. If they are inhumane, illegal, immoral, sick or perverted then it should not be respected, and in fact, we as decent people have an obligation to see such traditions ended. What you're talking is such bullcrap that I can't even believe you're saying it. And that part where you compare it to abortion, holy fucking shit dude. Holy. Fucking. Shit.

So you're ok with the fact that we keep them in a life of imprisonment, which ends in murder? If you're going to oppose the slaughter of animals sans stunning, you had better be prepared to oppose it wherever it happens, be it in the EU, the U.S. or anywhere around the world.

Also, I wasn't comparing this to abortion, it was an experiment on human reactions to violent and obscene, though legal, practices. I merely wanted to observe if that video garnered the same type of replies that the OP's one did. Watch the video and get back to me on that.

 

[Bad^Hat]

The same right that lets you criticize it. You may not like it, nor do you have to support it, but you absolutely must not infringe on someone's right to a religious belief based on your personal opinion.

Whether or not an animal suffers in death has nothing to do with my personal opinion. So again, what gives them the right, and in what way is it "the same" as me criticizing them for it or wanting them to change their practices?