Saddam Hussein executed in iraq

[repiV]

Because terrorists have little choice. Terror is the weapon of the weak, picked up when they have none to use.

So it's ok to murder civilians if you're weak, huh? Talk about moral hypocrisy.

USA fights symptoms, not the causes. Poverty and under-education are among many causes, as are ideology and religion. The first two can be effectively fought with long-term policies and active humanitarian aid, the last two, sadly, can't.

The USA isn't over there in order to make the world a better place, and nor should they be. They fight threats to their interests, as ALL nations do.

Tell me, how many rich and educated Arabs do you see commiting acts of terror?

Oh, how about Osama bin Laden, the granddaddy of them all.

And everything is relative. For you, they are dirty assholes. For people of Iraq and neighbouring countries who live in poverty they are people fighting for their national identity and a foreign occupation force. Which, despite whatever pretty names they get, is still an occupation force.

WTF? How are they fighting for their "national identity"? Do you understand the concept of a civil war? Also, interesting that you feel qualified to speak for the people of Iraq and the neighbouring countries. Why don't you ask hasan and DigiQ8 their opinions?

EDIT: And would you please cut out with derogatory, borderline racist remarks like "they aren't ready for civilization"?

No. Racists judge people on their skin colour. Rational people judge them by their actions. They aren't ready for civilisation. Don't like it? Dispute it. It's obviously the truth.

 

[Tagaziel]

repiV, I have no intent to argue with you. I have better, more intelligent things to do than arguing on an internet forum with people unable to think outside the box they are confined in.

Oh, and by the way, seeing as how 40% of Americans (a minority) dispute evolution, they aren't ready for being intelligent. Don't like it? Dispute it. It's obviously the truth.

 

[repiV]

repiV, I have no intent to argue with you. I have better, more intelligent things to do than arguing on an internet forum with people unable to think outside the box they are confined in.

Oh, and by the way, seeing as how 40% of Americans (a minority) dispute evolution, they aren't ready for being intelligent. Don't like it? Dispute it. It's obviously the truth.

So that's what you're calling it now - "thinking outside the box"?
Sounds like just another meaningless catchphrase designed to inflate the validity of any view that opposes the West and supports the Middle East.
It's got nothing to do with your apparently superior critical thinking skills, and everything to do with you having a rose-tinted, biased view of the world where nation-states are benevolent entities and the weak are always oppressed.
I'm not really sure what your point is regarding Americans and evolution, or how it's relevant to the discussion at hand.

 

[Dan]

Oh, so finally you admit they're directly to blame. But hang on a minute, I thought they were the glorious liberators of an oppressed nation before...backtracking, are we?
The Iraqis had a chance to make a fresh start, to live in peace and work towards prosperity. It was an opportunity granted of course through the nature of international politics and not of goodwill but that is how the world works and wise men take advantage of all the opportunities that they can grab - and this was a pretty rare one. They ****ed it up. They ****ed it up beyond belief. That's their fault, not ours. I also couldn't care less if they want to act like uncivilised savages. It just goes to show that they aren't worthy of any goodwill we may have cared to offer were we more altruistic, and they can rot in their own self-destruction. They aren't ready for civilisation.

Wow, that is ignorant in so many ways. It's like going to a poor slum community and knocking over a guy's house. Then you tell him, "hey, you've got this awesome opportunity to build a new better house, why are you throwing rocks at me?"

Of course the Iraqis hate America, you just bombed them back to the stone age and completely dismantled their government and their way of life.

 

[repiV]

Wow, that is ignorant in so many ways. It's like going to a poor slum community and knocking over a guy's house. Then you tell him, "hey, you've got this awesome opportunity to build a new better house, why are you throwing rocks at me?"

Of course the Iraqis hate America, you just bombed them back to the stone age and completely dismantled their government and their way of life.

I'm not American, can't you read my location?

America aren't knocking over anyone's house. it's the terrorists that are causing the damage in recent years. Also, your claim that "the Iraqis hate America" is quite simply a half-truth. Opinion is divided, unfortunately it seems you are only capable of perceiving issues in black and white.
Why would they care about having their government and way of life dismantled? Have you somehow got it in your head that life under Saddam was great and they all love him? We haven't run major bombing campaigns in Iraq for years now.
Deal with your ignorance before you accuse others.

 

[The Monkey]

The hanging filmed with a cellphone.

 

[Gunner]

In other news, insurgents have relaxed recruitment standards.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

The hanging filmed with a cellphone.

Too late mother f (pg 4)

 

[Tyguy]

repiV, I have no intent to argue with you. I have better, more intelligent things to do than arguing on an internet forum with people unable to think outside the box they are confined in.

Oh, and by the way, seeing as how 40% of Americans (a minority) dispute evolution, they aren't ready for being intelligent. Don't like it? Dispute it. It's obviously the truth.

haha, Polish guy saying Americans are stupid....do I have to use a Polish joke? I have alot of them.

 

[Tagaziel]

Argh, Tyguy... that was *mockery* to show how stupid "obviously the truth" statement is.

America has potential, unfortunately vocal stupidity outshouts the silent intelligence.

 

[repiV]

Argh, Tyguy... that was *mockery* to show how stupid "obviously the truth" statement is.

America has potential, unfortunately vocal stupidity outshouts the silent intelligence.

If it's so stupid, why are you unable to refute it?

 

[Absinthe]

I honestly don't know, I hate the idea of capital punishment. No doubt he did some evil things in his time, but the idea of calling a public hanging 'justice' in the 21st century doesn't sit well with me.

My thoughts exactly.

For both moral and practical reasons, I think he would have been better off in life imprisonment.

 

[SpotEnemyBoats]

IMHO he deserved capital punishment, life in prison would be the easy way out because you die of natural causes. This man commited mass genocide against his own people & commited war crimes like invading kuwait. The bastard did not deserve to live.

Thats what I truely feel, & I bet many of the families that were related to the victims of his purges feel the same way too.

 

[DeusExMachina]

And yet Kim Jong Il continues to rule North Korea...

 

[15357]

And yet Kim Jong Il continues to rule North Korea...

This I do not like....


KILL IT WITH NAPALM.

 

[kirovman]

The scientist in me would like to have seen him studied for the rest of his days. It's not often you get a tyrant like that intact.

 

[clarky003]

If you've seen the news today they are after the guy who posted the mobile phone footage. According to government personel attending the execution it was nearly stopped because it wasn't supposed to be conducted like that.

 

[brink's]

Yea, but they allowed everyone in the place to yell assholish remarks at him.

 

[Gargantou]

Numbers, this is a bit offtopic but speaking of Kim Jong-Il, with my fathers passing in 2k6 I inherited lots of books etc, so I went through'em the past month, one I found was a book my Kim Il-Sung titled something like "Workers everywhere rise" or something, I haven't gotten to reading it yet but I thought it'd be fun to tell you haha.

Back on topic, I'm usually against the deathpenalty but Saddam deserved it imo.

 

[15357]

Numbers, this is a bit offtopic but speaking of Kim Jong-Il, with my fathers passing in 2k6 I inherited lots of books etc, so I went through'em the past month, one I found was a book my Kim Il-Sung titled something like "Workers everywhere rise" or something, I haven't gotten to reading it yet but I thought it'd be fun to tell you haha.

Back on topic, I'm usually against the deathpenalty but Saddam deserved it imo.

Omg. Kim Il Sung? How did your fathers actually procure those higly dangerous viral (not to mention extremely illegal) books?

 

[Absinthe]

Omg. Kim Il Sung? How did your fathers actually procure those higly dangerous viral (not to mention extremely illegal) books?

He doesn't live in a censorious shithole?

 

[repiV]

Omg. Kim Il Sung? How did your fathers actually procure those higly dangerous viral (not to mention extremely illegal) books?

You lived in the United States for two years, you hang out with us gweilos, and yet you don't realise that most civilised nations aren't in the habit of banning books?

 

[15357]

He doesn't live in a censorious shithole?

You lived in the United States for two years, you hang out with us gweilos, and yet you don't realise that most civilised nations aren't in the habit of banning books?

Oh...


I still don't understand how you get books by Kim Il Sung, when Japan and our goverment blocked every book exported from North Korea. Besides, it's not like the North Koreans to sell books; they don't cost that much.

 

[CptStern]

Oh...


I still don't understand how you get books by Kim Il Sung, when Japan and our goverment blocked every book exported from North Korea. Besides, it's not like the North Koreans to sell books; they don't cost that much.

you mean like these

http://www.north-korea-books.com/servlet/the-NORTH-KOREA-BOOKS-cln-KIM-IL-SUNG/Categories

 

[15357]

God... wtf?

 

[CptStern]

if you wanted to, could you purchase those books right now without fear of reprisal?

 

[15357]

if you wanted to, could you purchase those books right now without fear of reprisal?

Well, it'd be like purchasing child pornography. In legal terms, that is.

 

[Gargantou]

Oh...


I still don't understand how you get books by Kim Il Sung, when Japan and our goverment blocked every book exported from North Korea. Besides, it's not like the North Koreans to sell books; they don't cost that much.

Well, both my mother and father are socialist-democrats, my father also have an old copy f the Little Red Book or w/e it's called that was written my Mao. I have no idea how he procured'em, but keep in mind, Sweden has long been a socialist nation, there were probably people who procured books like these before the Korean War and took it with them

Worth noting however is that there were alot and I mean ALOT of radical socialist-youths over here in the 60s, who liked Mao and wore Mao signs etc, however, when the true face of Mao started appearing, information about the culture revolution etc, my father atleast, backed off from those radicals and felt really bad for having thought that Mao was a good person and leader.

 

[CptStern]

Well, it'd be like purchasing child pornography. In legal terms, that is.

so you're agreeing with me ..this is nothing but pure censorship of the worst possible kind: censorship of ideology ..you cannot call yourselves truely free if you've given up your most fundamental free speech right

 

[15357]

Let's see. Child Pornography is banned. Therefore it violates freedom of expression. Canada (and most nations) are not free!


You need to keep in check dangerous viral ideologies that could cause social unrest and incite civil disorder.

 

[Beerdude26]

Let's see. Child Pornography is banned. Therefore it violates freedom of expression. Canada (and most nations) are not free!


You need to keep in check dangerous viral ideologies that could cause social unrest and incite civil disorder.

There's a difference between a kid sucking dick and a philosopher thinking about the way his nation is run.

 

[CptStern]

Let's see. Child Pornography is banned. Therefore it violates freedom of expression. Canada (and most nations) are not free!

ah numbers you're so predictable ..I knew you'd go down this route ...not even remotely the same thing ..child pornography is sexual abuse, it is non consentual, it's a violation as destructive as rape and morally abhorant and a crime in most countries around the world ..you cant possibly argue that political ideology is equivilent to physical and mental abuse of children

You need to keep in check dangerous viral ideologies that could cause social unrest and incite civil disorder.

being gay? are you kidding me? you're completely off your rocker ..how can sexual preference lead to civil disorder?

 

[Absinthe]

Stern is obviously not familiar with the underground Bukkake Wars beneath the social underbelly of South Korea.

 

[The Monkey]

Well, both my mother and father are socialist-democrats, my father also have an old copy f the Little Red Book or w/e it's called that was written my Mao. I have no idea how he procured'em, but keep in mind, Sweden has long been a socialist nation, there were probably people who procured books like these before the Korean War and took it with them

Worth noting however is that there were alot and I mean ALOT of radical socialist-youths over here in the 60s, who liked Mao and wore Mao signs etc, however, when the true face of Mao started appearing, information about the culture revolution etc, my father atleast, backed off from those radicals and felt really bad for having thought that Mao was a good person and leader.

Mao's Little Red is very easy to get hold of. I own two copies myself. One I bought in China, but the other (Swedish translation) is extremely easy to find.

 

[kirovman]

I bet you could get a little red book from the Chinese embassy in Seoul.

Also, if you ban your enemy's material, how will you understand your enemy?

People are allowed to read Mein Kampf here, as well as the Communist Manifesto.

 

[Nemesis6]

People are allowed to read Mein Kampf here, as well as the Communist Manifesto.

And look where you are now, multicultural Britain! :-/

 

[CptStern]

:upstare: reading Mein kampf leads to multiculturalism? dear god burn every book imaginable because there's no telling what people will do once they start reading!!!

where do you people come from? certainly not from a place of light and reason

 

[kirovman]

Mein Kampf taught me to love thy neighbour.

 

[15357]

ah numbers you're so predictable ..I knew you'd go down this route ...not even remotely the same thing ..child pornography is sexual abuse, it is non consentual, it's a violation as destructive as rape and morally abhorant and a crime in most countries around the world ..you cant possibly argue that political ideology is equivilent to physical and mental abuse of children

Perhaps, but I guess ideologies does more damage.

being gay? are you kidding me? you're completely off your rocker ..how can sexual preference lead to civil disorder?

I was refferring to Kim Il-Sung....

 

[CptStern]

Perhaps, but I guess ideologies does more damage.

ideology does more damage that physical/sexual/mental abuse? you cleartly havent a clue as to what life is all about

I was refferring to Kim Il-Sung....

even so you must not think too highly of your society/countrymen if you think Kim's books are going to cause civil unrest ..is your country that close to becoming a communist utopia that all it needs is a few books to get it started? ..solution: burn all books

you are a propagandists wet dream Numbers ..you devour ever bit of propaganda as if it's your last meal ..you are no better than those you're against