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Taxman said:
Mao's Little Red is very easy to get hold of. I own two copies myself. One I bought in China, but the other (Swedish translation) is extremely easy to find.
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I never said Mao's Little Red wasn't easy to find, I merely pointed out that he had it and I do not know the details of how he procured a copy of it.
 
CptStern said:
ideology does more damage that physical/sexual/mental abuse? you cleartly havent a clue as to what life is all about
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I've never seen abuse kill millions of people, thank you very much.

even so you must not think too highly of your society/countrymen if you think Kim's books are going to cause civil unrest ..is your country that close to becoming a communist utopia that all it needs is a few books to get it started? ..solution: burn all books
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Might. You need to be prepared, even though there is little chance of it happening, a few wrong books in the wrong hands could inseminate something that could grow to an epidemic.

you are a propagandists wet dream Numbers ..you devour ever bit of propaganda as if it's your last meal ..you are no better than those you're against
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If it's for the better cause, why not? Besides, it's like listening to the anti-drug public messages.


Communism is a disease, a cancer, if you will, and we must seek out the infected cells and isolate, neutralize the cause, and cure it.
 
15357 said:
Communism is a disease, a cancer, if you will, and we must seek out the infected cells and isolate, neutralize the cause, and cure it.
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Man you sicken me!:frown:
If the Second Korean War ever comes, I'll make sure to support the DPRK!
Besides, from my study of the Korean War(I'm fairly obsessed with it, read lots of books on it etc), it seems that ROK was the big aggressor that really triggered all the hatred coming from DPRK.
 
15357 said:
If it's for the better cause, why not? Besides, it's like listening to the anti-drug public messages.
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You're not in any kind of objective position to claim what the "better cause" is because the amount of garbage you willingly swallow has turned you blind and ignorant.

Assuming you are better than your northern neighbor, you're still both scumbuckets, neither of which qualify for the soap boxes you think you deserve. If your country can't survive on its own without serious constrictions on free speech, obsessed purely with not being communist, then congratulations. Consider your nation an animated corpse with a purely arbitrary existence.
 
Gargantou said:
Man you sicken me!:frown:
If the Second Korean War ever comes, I'll make sure to support the DPRK!
Besides, from my study of the Korean War(I'm fairly obsessed with it, read lots of books on it etc), it seems that ROK was the big aggressor that really triggered all the hatred coming from DPRK.
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Hahaha. We had only 3 divisions of light infantry. Social chaos. The Northern puppets were given 300+ tanks by the soviets at the start of the Korean war, and Kim il sung had planned the invasion for years. I don't know what you've read, but the North was the aggressor.

Absinthe said:
You're not in any kind of objective position to claim what the "better cause" is because the amount of garbage you willingly swallow has turned you blind and ignorant.

Assuming you are better than your northern neighbor, you're still both scumbuckets, neither of which qualify for the soap boxes you think you deserve. If your country can't survive on its own without serious constrictions on free speech, obsessed purely with not being communist, then congratulations. Consider your nation an animated corpse with a purely arbitrary existence.
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Well, we wouldn't have those restrictions if the North was friendly.
 
Numbers you come across as a spoiled little boy perpetually stuck in his mother's house who's only outside communication with the world is through propaganda feeds on SK tv and SK controlled internet service ..it's like you have this tailored narrowly defined pov wholly influenced by the puppet masters who run your country ...it's obvious you have very little insight into other cultures and even less real world life experience


disclaimer: I'm saying this purely as a detached observer, I hold no malice towards you ..it's just a little sad that people are still warped by ideology ..especially when the ideology is so transparently rediculous to those outside of it's influence
 
15357 said:
Hahaha. We had only 3 divisions of light infantry. Social chaos. The Northern puppets were given 300+ tanks by the soviets at the start of the Korean war, and Kim il sung had planned the invasion for years. I don't know what you've read, but the North was the aggressor.
Well, we wouldn't have those restrictions if the North was friendly.
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Mate, the original government in Korea was a left-wing one, the US, fearing the left-wing government, held a 'UN sanctioned election', during which they took the opportunity to put the HIGHLY anti-Communistic Syngman Rhee to power, if you didn't know, all of the SOUTHS left-wing parties boycotted the elections as illegal, the Soviet Union in RESPONSE, aided the rise of Kim Il-Sungs government, Syngman Rhee was just as intent as Kim Il-Sung on reuniting Korea with whatever means necessary, he just didn't have enough equipment, in my opinion, if the US hadn't held these 'semi-bullshit' elections that was IMO, just a ploy to get Rhee to power, the Korean war might have had been avoided alltogether mate.

But I guess, in your censored country, they don't even teach you that all the left-wing parties condemned the election, not to mention that before Syngman Rhee, it was ruled by a left-wing government.

Numbers, I used to like you, atleast a bit, but the respect I have for you is quickly draining away.
 
Gargantou said:
Mate, the original government in Korea was a left-wing one
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Not really, it was a nationalistic goverment.

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the US, fearing the left-wing government, held a 'UN sanctioned election', during which they took the opportunity to put the HIGHLY anti-Communistic Syngman Rhee to power, if you didn't know, all of the SOUTHS left-wing parties boycotted the elections as illegal
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Syngman Rhee was a great guy in the 1948 ~ 1955 era. He was voted democratically by a national vote. The left-wingers were stupid not to participate.

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the Soviet Union in RESPONSE, aided the rise of Kim Il-Sungs government, Syngman Rhee was just as intent as Kim Il-Sung on reuniting Korea with whatever means necessary, he just didn't have enough equipment, in my opinion, if the US hadn't held these 'semi-bullshit' elections that was IMO, just a ploy to get Rhee to power, the Korean war might have had been avoided alltogether mate.
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Syngman Rhee was busy with communist riots in the start of the First Republic.

It was NOT a ploy, it was, I say again, a election, commissioned by the United Nations, that had Syngman Rhee voted into power. Syngman Rhee was president of the goverment-in-exile during the colonial period long before that as well.

But I guess, in your censored country, they don't even teach you that all the left-wing parties condemned the election, not to mention that before Syngman Rhee, it was ruled by a left-wing government.
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Ok, before Syngman Rhee, there was NO goverment. There was military rule of the US 8th Army, but no independant goverment.

Numbers, I used to like you, atleast a bit, but the respect I have for you is quickly draining away.
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Raziaar said:
Your beloved Stalin killed as many people if not more as your hated Israel.
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Yes, but they were killed for the motherland!!!







Understand that I don't actually like Stalin at all, he was an evil murdering bastard.
 
I liked Stalin.

Good guy, I never talked about his work with him though.
 
Gargantou said:
Man you sicken me!:frown:
If the Second Korean War ever comes, I'll make sure to support the DPRK!
Besides, from my study of the Korean War(I'm fairly obsessed with it, read lots of books on it etc), it seems that ROK was the big aggressor that really triggered all the hatred coming from DPRK.
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AJ Rimmer said:
...not if we cure you first. Dear.
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Howcome all other swedes here are commies?

Gargantou, you would support North Korea in a new Korean War? That's just awful. South Korea might be a censored shithole compared to our country, but it's a hell of a lot better than the stalinist North.
 
Taxman said:
Howcome all other swedes here are commies?
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Because Sweden is a country with very strong socialist foundations? I don't know if you've noticed but a socialist party has been in all but continous power for about sixty years?

Raziaar: I'm supporting an ideology wich is the embodiment of the class teacher who goes; "Can't we all just share?" to the kids who are fighting over toys in the sandbox. How manly can I be?
 
AJ Rimmer said:
Because Sweden is a country with very strong socialist foundations? I don't know if you've noticed but a socialist party has been in all but continous power for about sixty years?

Raziaar: I'm supporting an ideology wich is the embodiment of the class teacher who goes; "Can't we all just share?" to the kids who are fighting over toys in the sandbox. How manly can I be?
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I support the Social Democrats; I recognize what they've done for our country, and had I been 18 this September, I would've voted for them. But despite what they say, Sweden isn't a socialist country. Our "foundations" are that of a market economy with some socialist aspects, but that doesn't make Sweden socialist or communist. People like to think that Sweden is some ideal form of a "friendly socialist" country, but we are in fact not more left-wing than our scandinavian neighbours or even the countries on the continent. I would say Sweden is about 80% capitalist and 20% socialist.
 
Taxman said:
I support the Social Democrats; I recognize what they've done for our country, and had I been 18 this September, I would've voted for them. But despite what they say, Sweden isn't a socialist country. Our "foundations" are that of a market economy with some socialist aspects, but that doesn't make Sweden socialist or communist. People like to think that Sweden is some ideal form of a "friendly socialist" country, but we are in fact not more left-wing than our scandinavian neighbours or even the countries on the continent. I would say Sweden is about 80% capitalist and 20% socialist.
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Empty ideas and promises bring forth people who truly believe them. Ergo, there are your communists.
 
Taxman said:
Howcome all other swedes here are commies?

Gargantou, you would support North Korea in a new Korean War? That's just awful. South Korea might be a censored shithole compared to our country, but it's a hell of a lot better than the stalinist North.
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1. I'm not a communist, I know people who have first hand experiences with the people in power in communist countries. I'm not really socialist either, I'm more of in the middle, think "Junilistan"(Although I don't agree with them alot either).

2. I just lost my temper because of the brainwash that Numbers has been through, North Korea is a far more awful country than SK these days, but my point is that SK have never been any angels themselves.

Besides, may I ask if you are aware of the fact that students were executed in SOUTH Korea during, I think it was the 70s, because they were suspected to support communists?
 
AJ Rimmer said:
Empty ideas and promises bring forth people who truly believe them. Ergo, there are your communists.
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I'm afraid I'm not quite understanding what you're getting at.
Gargantou said:
1. I'm not a communist, I know people who have first hand experiences with the people in power in communist countries. I'm not really socialist either, I'm more of in the middle, think "Junilistan"(Although I don't agree with them alot either).

2. I just lost my temper because of the brainwash that Numbers has been through, North Korea is a far more awful country than SK these days, but my point is that SK have never been any angels themselves.

Besides, may I ask if you are aware of the fact that students were executed in SOUTH Korea during, I think it was the 70s, because they were suspected to support communists?
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Well, I repeat what I said, I don't have very high thoughst on SK, but I think (like you) that it's at least better than NK. I wonder if numbers have heard of those student executions, though...
 
In America there were student protests against the Vietnam war, the national guard were sent in and they shot dead a few unarmed student protesters..
 
Taxman said:
I'm afraid I'm not quite understanding what you're getting at.
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Some people get pissed at the social democrats for not being socialists, other say they are communists when in reality they are "swedish"-ly communist (ie, social democrats). Of course, some people I know think VP is actually a communist party, the political scale in this country is pretty messed up.




...what does this have to do with Saddam dying by the way? Did he vote for G?ran Persson this november or something?
 
AJ Rimmer said:
...not if we cure you first. Dear.
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I have nothing to cure. On the other hand, you, sir...

Gargantou said:
1. I'm not a communist, I know people who have first hand experiences with the people in power in communist countries. I'm not really socialist either, I'm more of in the middle, think "Junilistan"(Although I don't agree with them alot either).

2. I just lost my temper because of the brainwash that Numbers has been through, North Korea is a far more awful country than SK these days, but my point is that SK have never been any angels themselves.

Besides, may I ask if you are aware of the fact that students were executed in SOUTH Korea during, I think it was the 70s, because they were suspected to support communists?
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You are refferring to the People's Revolutionary Party incident. It was taking orders from the NK Labor Party, something illegal since 1950, and was planning on inciting civil disorder. They wern't suspected, they were known to be.


I'd be more friendly to communists if they weren't trying to kill us so much. Every few years, somebody gets his head blown up by an NK warship (in the year 2002, one of our warships was sunk) or gets shot with a cyanide bullet (2000, police VS armed spy), or has his head shattered by a raving fanatical commie (hanchongryun, the illegal student group, protesting in 1986, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006.... ect.).

I'd be a lot less like this without the Northern puppet/rebel scum.
Because an ideology that seeks to establish a classless, stateless social organization, based upon common ownership of the means of production by the means of violence is a disease and must be eliminated.

God-'n-Jesus forbid if the people ever thought that starvation, famines, weirdos with perms, destruction of peace, destruction of the individual self, no rights was a bad thing.
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fixed.
 
Numbers isn't brainwashed. He just happens to live in a country that has to live with communism right on its doorstep. South Korea can't afford to be friendly to communist ideas if it wants to ensure its own survival.

Most of the rest of the world see's south Korea's (or in this case, number's) anti-commie hatred and they immediately label it the result of brainwashing, even though they probably have never had to deal with the realities of communism themselves. I agree whole heartedly with most of what numbers says, but I was never in Korea, I'm from a cuban family that moved to the US because of communism. I can go ahead and talk to parents and grandparens that witnessed that stuff first hand. So quit giving numbers grief.

At any rate, wasn't the topic about saddam being executed?
 
IMO, it's not communism in itself that's bad, it's the leaders, seriously, has there ever been a REAL communist country? Is it even possible at such large scales to have a truly communist society? I doubt that.
You shouldn't mix up people abusing their powers and being oppressive fascists with COMMUNISM being superbad, there have been quite a few CAPITALIST government who've done the exact same, dunno if you've ever heard of a country called El Salvador.*Hinthint*
 
Gargantou said:
IMO, it's not communism in itself that's bad, it's the leaders, seriously, has there ever been a REAL communist country?
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No, there hasn't.
Is it even possible at such large scales to have a truly communist society? I doubt that.
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It can only ever work on an international scale.
 
I disagree with your last statement, it might work on an international scale, but it's easier to get it to work on a 'tribe'scale, assuming the tribe in question is pretty much isolated from modern society.
 
If communism cannot be incorporated into human society, then it must be an incorrect and otherwise bad ideology.


Besides, all those "failed" communist countries were started with the same ideals that make North Korea today.
 
Gargantou said:
I disagree with your last statement, it might work on an international scale, but it's easier to get it to work on a 'tribe'scale, assuming the tribe in question is pretty much isolated from modern society.
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Well respectfully, Marx, Engels, Lenin and all the other communist/socialist thinkers would beg to differ.
 
Flyingdebris said:
Numbers isn't brainwashed. He just happens to live in a country that has to live with communism right on its doorstep. South Korea can't afford to be friendly to communist ideas if it wants to ensure its own survival.
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So... he's brainwashed, right?

If South Korea can't survive without being vehemently anti-communist to the point of relying on censorship and propaganda (which Numbers both advocates and spouts off regularly), then it's clear that it does rely on indoctrination and skewed information to push its population under one dictated mindset that's easy to manage. That is brainwashing, necessity or otherwise.

Nobody in their right mind supports communism. The point is that Numbers applauds many of the practices that North Korea also employs, yet still remains oblivious to the number of similarities both countries have, instead giving out useless and empty talking points like "Oh, well they're evil and we aren't". There's no critical thinking involved, and if you agree with him, then the same applies to you.

There are many other countries that can easily survive with communist literature freely floating around within their domains. If South Korea is perpetually on the brink of diving into communism because of a few books, then maybe that's because his country more similar to NK than he'd like to believe.
 
Another funny thing. Most nations that found themselves embracing Communism were previously governed by corrupt and oppressive governments, and attempts to to stifle the movements often simply gave it more resolve and social traction.

So if you really want to prevent the "evil cancer" from poisoning your country, you'd be better off not acting like a bunch of authoritarian nutjobs. If your population has no need for communism, then what danger could there possibly ****ing be?
 
Nobody in their right mind supports communism.
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Marx, Lenin, Engels were all nuts? I mean, you must surely be very well read on the subject, very familiar with economics, probably studied history for a long time and wrote a lot of articles to qualify you to make such a bold statement?

I bet you don't know your surplus value from your tools of production.
 
Nobody in their right mind today, Solaris. Don't get pissy with me because you support an outdated ideology. I can understand the promise of it back in their days, but times have changed and Communism has not withstood its tests.

I know better than to call them dumb. Marx was arguably a genius. But the amount of intelligence and thought put into an idea does not necessarily make it gold. That's not to say there's nothing we can't learn from him. But as a whole, Communism is a failure.
 
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