Soldier throws puppy from cliff

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http://federalism.typepad.com/crime_federalism/2008/03/david-motari-ab.html

disclaimer: the video is in the above link, watch at your own risk

the internets is mobalising to nail this soldier to the wall
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=David+Motari+&meta=

http://digg.com/people/US_Soldier_throws_puppy_off_cliff_(video)

Wow. I hope he got shot in the face later that day.

That scumbag is a real man he is.....that is humiliating that a US soldier would act like that.....I pray that he gets what is coming to him

they've even posted his (alledged) home address and phone number ..they'd better have the right guy

kinda depressing that this causes more outrage than the civilian massacre at hadditha that saw the deaths of 24 people, 8 being children from 8years old to 18 months ...but it's a puppy!!!

best digg comment:

200,000 Iraqis - who cares? 1 Puppy - moral outrage!!!!
 
I think it's the fact that he threw it from a cliff that makes this so disgusting
 
also it's a helpless animal that has nothing to do with anything that's going on in that cesspoll of human misery that is modern iraq
 
Once I saw the picture of him it was enough to see retard, pffft, do they let any dumbass in the U.S army?
 
That is just really sick, i wish someone would throw him of a cliff or better yet shoot him. I wonder how you Americans can still respect your Military after seeing shit like this. They are pathetic retarded bullies, you guys must have real low standards for recruits.
 
That is just really sick, i wish someone would throw him of a cliff or better yet shoot him. I wonder how you Americans can still respect your Military after seeing shit like this. They are pathetic retarded bullies, you guys must have real low standards for recruits.

Oh yes, indeed we do. In fact, we've organized a whole brigade dedicated to puppy-hurling. Tailing behind door-to-door insurgency uprooting, picking up all the stray animals, tossing them to their deaths with hearty laughs and much backslapping. You should come check it out some time, you stupid fucking goon.

Any way, I'm not going to watch the video. Can somebody detail what exactly happens?
 
It could also be the case that the video is fake. This seems highly unlikely, given the low-tech camera used to shoot the footage.

Eh, video editing isn't the only way to fake something.
 
If this is real which it probably is because dem iz ****s, I hate everyone ever.
 
Well, his Bebo has been peppered with abuse already. I never watched the video BTW, I got 2 seconds in before deciding against it.

EDIT: Possibly Anon, most likely some random fool.
 
Dehumanising war is dehumanising.
 
I ****ing hate the world...I really do

I'm not even going to watch the video because I hate watching animal cruelty. Id rather play the ignorance card.
 
You guys think this is worse than Saddam Hussein throwing people from 5 story buildings while blindfolded? :eek: Given though, puppies are innocent. We don't know what those Iraqis have done to deserve to be tossed off of a building.

I agree though, there's no excuse for such inhumane behavior. They are a poor repesentation of our military to toss innocent puppies down a cliff. Please ignore this. Move on. Refrain from making sweeping generalizations about the military plz. :p *sigh*
 
200,000 Iraqis - who cares? 1 Puppy - moral outrage!!!!

pretty much the truth though. If they posted a video of him killing an iraqi, nobody would care...for the most part. But puppies are different, they're incapable of evil...so it's guaranteed that puppy did not deserve that. Where as the person, you aren't so sure.
 
Any way, I'm not going to watch the video. Can somebody detail what exactly happens?

The soldier is holding up the puppy by its neck, its just chillin there, cant really do anything since its paws are zip-tied. Him and his buddy who is filming it are like "look at this puppy, hes so cute, awwwww" and then the guy turns around and hurls the puppy off the cliff, and you can hear it yipp yipp yipping as it falls. The camera guy says "That was mean.... that was mean Motari." Then Motari shugs and they laugh.
 
The soldier is holding up the puppy by its neck, its just chillin there, cant really do anything since its paws are zip-tied. Him and his buddy who is filming it are like "look at this puppy, hes so cute, awwwww" and then the guy turns around and hurls the puppy off the cliff, and you can hear it yipp yipp yipping as it falls. The camera guy says "That was mean.... that was mean Motari." Then Motari shugs and they laugh.
It's times like these I wish the entire world would just get obliterated by a meteor so I can say, "THERE'S YOUR F***ING PEACE!" :hmph:

Srsly, I'm not anti-military or anything, being that I'm going into the NAVY myself, but that guy needs to be court marshalled or fined at the very least. :p
 
Soldiers are trained to kill human beings on command, they are intentionally dehumanised to some extent in order that they do that without hesitation.
I'm not surprised that some would randomly kill baby animals and film it after being in a warzone.

It makes me wonder what else some of them do while the camera is switched off though.
 
You guys think this is worse than Saddam Hussein throwing people from 5 story buildings while blindfolded?

I generally care more about an animal cruelty story then a human cruelty story. It's not that im an evil bastard, but animals have no way of expressing themselves and that evokes greater emotion imo
 
You guys think this is worse than Saddam Hussein throwing people from 5 story buildings while blindfolded? :eek:

what does have to do with anything?

Given though, puppies are innocent. We don't know what those Iraqis have done to deserve to be tossed off of a building.

are you saying saddam was justified in throwing people off a building because their crime may have fit the punishment? ...doesnt your second statement contradict your first statement?
 
I don't see what everybody's so mad about. That puppy never would've been able to experience the joy of flying on its own.
 
personally I dont think 3 seconds of joy/fear is worth the inevitable conclusion
 
There are worse ends. I think, "OH GOD WHY DID HE THROW ME WHAT'S GOING ON I'M JUST A PUPPY HEY THIS ISN'T SO BAD THIS IS ACTUALLY KINDA WHEEEEEEEEEEE OH NO THE GROUND" isn't so bad.

He gave that puppy an experience that'll last its lifetime.
 
what does have to do with anything?
Nothing really. Just testing the waters to see where people stand on ethical issues regarding animals vs. people.



are you saying saddam was justified in throwing people off a building because their crime may have fit the punishment? ...doesnt your second statement contradict your first statement?
I guess your right. (damn your good at this aren't you? :p) Neither punishment can be justified. Saddam should have executed his pupils in a more humane way rather than throwing them off of a building.

Puppies on the other hand don't deserve to die for any reason. Unless of course they are infected with some sort of horrible contageious diesease and need to be put down, which then should be done humanely of course.
 
Saddam should have executed his pupils in a more humane way

heh, "humane" and "execute" is a contradiction ..there's no such thing as a humane execution ..but I get what you're saying
 
heh, "humane" and "execute" is a contradiction
How so? sometimes it has to be done, but there's no need to torture people in the process. There's no hope for the criminally insane for instance. They'll never adapt to society, and they'll be out there molesting and killing children again before you know it. :p

I know this doesn't have to do with the topic at hand btw, I was just giving an example. Save those arguments for another thread.

We don't know how serious the crimes were for those people under Saddam's regime to be executed. Maybe Saddam was just a genocidal lunatic after all. Who knows?
 
How so? sometimes it has to be done, but there's no need to torture people in the process.

you're not seeing the irony here ..

humane:
1. Characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion

there's nothing "humane" about execution. I think you're looking for mercy killing


There's no hope for the criminally insane for instance.

they dont execute the clinincally insane, it's usually a way out of captial punishment

They'll never adapt to society, and they'll be out there molesting and killing children again before you know it. :p

who? molesting children is not a capital offense

I know this doesn't have to do with the topic at hand btw, I was just giving an example. Save those arguments for another thread.

I'm not arguing I'm just pointing out that execution isnt being compassionate

We don't know how serious the crimes were for those people under Saddam's regime to be executed. Maybe Saddam was just a genocidal lunatic after all. Who knows?

there's no doubt he was a murderous lunatic but that still doesnt justify those specific punishments
 
This is bad, but not nearly as bad when last spring some soldiers broke into someones home, shot all the family members, then raped the teenage girl, then shot her, had sex with her again, and then burned all the bodies....

And hardly anyone talked/knew about that one, at least not anyone I talked to.
 
you're not seeing the irony here ..

humane:
1. Characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion

there's nothing "humane" about execution
Yes, but some of the horrific things criminals do, a "humane" execution at the very least is still in order




they dont execute the clinincally insane, it's usually a way out of captial punishment
Yes. In the meantime, taxpayers are wasting $'s trying to acheive the impossible (helping insane serial killers/molesters adapt to society) when those $s could be spent doing more constructive things for society.



who? molesting children is not a capital offense
It really ought to be though. There would be less child molesters in the world for sure.



I'm not arguing I'm just pointing out that execution isnt being compassionate
You're confusing "passionate" with "compassionate". If we were really, "compassionate" we would do things that we really don't want to do, but has to be done. "Passionate" on the other hand, is the love, mercy, etc., but without the element of reason.



there's no doubt he was a murderous lunatic but that still doesnt justify those specific punishments
Can't we just adopt a "three strike rule" then rather than letting them go every time on account of being, "mentally unstable?"

I fail to see how being "insane" exempts some people from CP for committing atrocious crimes like mass murder. :p
 
Heh, it would be foolish to judge soldiers in warfare. You don't know the specifics, and as far as I know, killing a useless puppy isn't a war crime. We may view the act as malicious or evil, but that doesn't give us, the public, any legal justification to punish that soldier.

Go ethics on his ass all you want, though!
 
My limits of caring are not one or the other... I can care about both equally. The death of innocent people and the death of an innocent animal.

This is horrible. I watched the video. :( It's not graphic, but your imagination of what happens next is the troubling part.

We may view the act as malicious or evil, but that doesn't give us, the public, any legal justification to punish that soldier.

There are laws against cruelty to animals punishable by prison time. You think soldiers are immune to those laws just because they're in a warzone?
 
My limits of caring are not one or the other... I can care about both equally. The death of innocent people and the death of an innocent animal.

This is horrible. I watched the video. :( It's not graphic, but your imagination of what happens next is the troubling part.

The dog dies or breaks several bones? Honestly, it's a ****in' dog. There are many like it, but that one was his.

There's a term, charismatic megafauna that describes the emotional response of this kind of thing. No one would get pissed if he threw a hundred snakes off a cliff, why the double standard if both feel pain equally? Because one's cuuuuuuute, bawwwww.

You think soldiers are immune to those laws just because they're in a warzone?

They're not committing the crime in the United States, or in a nation where the law would obviously exist. You'd have to look at Iraq/Afghan law, or take a look at international law. I'm not saying it can't be illegal, but capital punishment for throwing a dog off a cliff? How about dishonorable discharge from the service.
 
Yay more asshole soldiers filming themselves doing horrible shit.

Just what the world needs to know that our soldiers are doing their jobs over there. :|
 
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